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With , you added a long list of references for the sentence "However, her experiences were not without historical precedent in Soto Zen." Yet, Bodiford, Faure and Williams do not mention Juyu-Kennett, let alone link her experiences to Dogen and Keizan. I wouldn't be surprised if MacPhillamy (1997) does, but in that case, you'll have to provide a quote; the source is not available. ] -] 05:06, 18 December 2018 (UTC) With , you added a long list of references for the sentence "However, her experiences were not without historical precedent in Soto Zen." Yet, Bodiford, Faure and Williams do not mention Juyu-Kennett, let alone link her experiences to Dogen and Keizan. I wouldn't be surprised if MacPhillamy (1997) does, but in that case, you'll have to provide a quote; the source is not available. ] -] 05:06, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
::Mentioning Jiyu-Kennett is not necessary (and indeed is irrelevant) for the purpose of establishing that spiritual visions and such experiences have a long precedent in Soto Zen. It is perfectly valid to quote citations that provide evidence that there is such precedent. ] (]) 05:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC) ::Mentioning Jiyu-Kennett is not necessary (and indeed is not valid) for the purpose of establishing that spiritual visions and such experiences have a long precedent in Soto Zen. It is perfectly valid to quote citations that provide evidence that there is such precedent. ] (]) 05:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

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Information icon Please do not add or change content, as you did at Dōgen and Kensho, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. JimRenge (talk) 17:14, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Please do not remove content again. I included multiple reliable sources, including official ones from Sotoshu, and academic sources as well.Karma Dechen Lhamo (talk) 17:53, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

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Please specify the page number or page numbers in the books and print articles you are citing. "If there are no page numbers, whether in ebooks or print materials, then you can use other means of identifying the relevant section of a lengthy work, such as the chapter number or the section title." (see) Joshua Jonathan has already asked you to provide full citations, page no included (). We can´t expect editors/readers to seach several books when they attempt to verify the information. Thank you JimRenge (talk) 23:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

You both need to calm down. People have to sleep, and have lives outside of wikipedia. See WP:BITE You need to stop jumping down every edit I make, the sections I have cited are more heavily cited than any other in those articles, and the sources are rock solid. I will go back in later, and add page numbers Karma Dechen Lhamo (talk) 04:26, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Historical precedent

With this edit, you added a long list of references for the sentence "However, her experiences were not without historical precedent in Soto Zen." Yet, Bodiford, Faure and Williams do not mention Juyu-Kennett, let alone link her experiences to Dogen and Keizan. I wouldn't be surprised if MacPhillamy (1997) does, but in that case, you'll have to provide a quote; the source is not available. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:06, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Mentioning Jiyu-Kennett is not necessary (and indeed is not valid) for the purpose of establishing that spiritual visions and such experiences have a long precedent in Soto Zen. It is perfectly valid to quote citations that provide evidence that there is such precedent. Karma Dechen Lhamo (talk) 05:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)