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Warrior Cats merge

The article Warrior Cats is essentially the same as this one. I have suggested a merge. If there are no complaints I will merge in about week (January 25, 2005). I say merge the character bios. Like a short analysis on who they are, what their personality is, plot points, the like.

Merge preformed.

Strange...

Oh, thanks for expanding this article for me. I started it, but I needed some more. This series is highly enjoyable for anyone! Even if you do not like cats, (like me) you can still enjoy this series. I am waiting for Starlight to be published. Dragon Expert 17:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Yay! I have it! NOW FOR THE 5TH BOOK! Dragon Expert 19:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

New stuff There also needs to be some popa Poops the book. In an article.

I did it! and I'm proud!

I wrote most (but not most) of the links for the Warriors online phenomenon, (yay). Before this precious history of Warriors online growth is lost in time, I just NEEDED to write it down! It is all very interesting and I'm proud I recorded it at a (I think) crucial moment.

-Thank ya

Advertising

I strongly object to the advertising used on this page. It is inappropriate for a Misplaced Pages page. The user-owned sites should be added in at the end, on "Warriors-Related Links".

I MUST AGREE

With that, but I think exceptions should be made for Warriors Wish and Hidden Clans, as these are a 'real' part of the Warriors phenomenon, but we must draw the line because there is spamming. Warriors fans (you must understand) have advertised anywhere, everywhere they could since the begining of its onling revolution that fairly so changed the face of its fanbase, growing and forming more of it. I think this trend (of spamming just about everywhere) comes from the fact that the earliest things online concerning Warriors was petitions, and fans took advantage there by signing over and over just to advertise. Even though I wrote the 'Warriors online phenomenon (not all the spamming links below) I used only nessesary links that 'really' were important to Warriors. So please, don't delete (all) the links, such as the Hidden Clans game site, Hidden Clans forum, movie petition, and more that so contributed to what we have now.

-Thank ya

^- Reply: I agree that the petition should be kept. However, I fail to understand how Hidden Clans and Warriors Wish pertain to the "phenomenon". I agree that they are quality sites, but they really should not be advertised here at all, the same as the other RPGs. Additionally, it is juvenile to include them in the "Warriors Phenomenon" section to such a great extent. To put it simply, a person who knew nothing of Warriors would not care how many members they have when they read the section; they would really only like to know about the phenomenon. Do you understand? A simple link is OK, but the rest sounds like advertisement rhetoric to me. I've shortened it and improved the grammar and spelling. Additionally, I have removed all sites from the "RPGs/Forums" that ask for more members. Shame on you. This is not a place to advertise.

Scourge

Where it shows the characters Scourge from The Darkest Hour should be there. --Mr.Nobody 03:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)Mr. Nobody

Informative

I think the page is very informative, and I love the series. The medicine cat herbs are interesting, even though I know you should never use them on your own cats.

Proposal

Hi everyone! My name is Oakstar, and I used to run a Warriors RPG (It's still doing well, I just have too much stuff to do my senior year!). I like this article but I am sick and tired of the shameless advertising that goes on here. It would confuse anyone interested in the series to see all those RPG's advertising all over the place, which is really not cool.

I think that only the top 5 Warriors RPGs should advertise here, and I had an idea to find out the top ones. What if I (Or anyone else who can promise to remain active) created a Proboards message-board and sites submitted their URLs and descriptions to the admin? Then, the admin would pick the top 20 sites that they liked and put them on a poll. Members would be free to vote for whichever site they thought was the best. There would be a new poll every week, so the list would be up-to-date. Then, the admin(s?) would post the top 5 winners for that week and THEN those RPGs would be allowed to post their links here.

I think that's fair--I mean, every person who has advertised on the article has obviously had the best interests of Misplaced Pages users, right? Thus, it should be no problem to present them with quality RPG material. I doubt my old RPG would ever make it on there (it only has about 150 members); that's not why I'm doing this. But the free-for-all that is the sad state of the links list is just plain despicable. What do you guys think? As far as I can tell, it's the best idea we've got to date. ^-^

I don't agree with the proposal

I have an RPG site, and I have joined lots of others. If you did what you were proposing, it will bring far too many members to those already overpopulated sites. One site I am at is Hidden Clans. They have so many members, they are close to an overload of members, even just in the past week, twice they had about 60 guests on the site at once, and no, I am not over exagerating. They even asked me to delete the paragraph about them here, to help bring their guest numbers under control. Also, some new sites are rapidly gaining interest, like mine. They get at least five more members every week, more than some of the older ones. They might not have over 100 members, but chances are, they will soon. I agree about some of the advertising, and think all of the advertising should be kept to the bottom of the page, not anywhere else, as they keep popping up everywhere, spoiling the page.

Me either. Besides, they would just delete it.

No offense, but I've been on a site that has had 789 members on at once. 24.183.40.221 15:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC) Mysterypaw

I do agree with the proposal... or something like it.

What you're saying, though, is that some sites don't want to be advertised on here because they want to keep their member levels low. That's all well and good, but I think Oakstar has a good point when she says that it's a free-for-all. Misplaced Pages is NOT a place to advertise.

Don't believe me? Visit: http://www.wikia.com/Terms_of_use#Advertising

And I quote: "Commercial activities which have not been authorized by Wikia, Inc. are not permitted on the site. You may not sell or otherwise commercially exploit the use of this service, or access to the service."

You might reply, "but this isn't commercial!"

To which I answer: "No user shall add advertising that has not been approved by the owner of Wikia."

You could say, "Yeah, but we're providing people with a place to role-play. It's a service!"

How pathetic is that? If it's really a service then "new" RPGs are no service at all to people who just want to go to an active RPG, because "new" RPGs do not have enough members, hence the "new" in the title. If you really want to provide non-warriors guests with a service that they can really use, give them a directory that sorts the available RPGs so that people can search for the perfect ones for them. Websites that don't want members don't have to list themselves.

Again, Misplaced Pages is NOT a place where RPGs can list their URLs in the hopes of getting more members. I don't care how "good" it's been for them, this is NOT the place. It is against the rules and it's going to get the entire section deleted if an admin sees it.

--Hushpelt 21:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

This isn't Wikia. The relevant policy for Misplaced Pages is Misplaced Pages:External links. If you were looking for the Wikia site on warriors, please see Wikiasite:Warriors. Angela. 15:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Something else to consider

While Hushpelt was harsh, she has a good point. It is more correctly outlined here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox

That is the reason that RPGs may not be directly advertised here: firstly, you wouldn't see content like that on an encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#When_you_wonder_what_to_do), but additionally it cannot be used for "propaganda or advocacy of any kind".

External Links

The lengthy list of external links is ludacris, it is far too long and boderline spam. We need to follow a standard of somesort of notability for each site. Yanksox 22:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Unless there are objections I am going to remove all the links (except the official page, and the creator's page) as being spam and not meeting notability. If you have a reason not to delete a link, post why. Yanksox 03:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Two days have passed, I will start deleting links. Yanksox 23:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

A Small Note

I would like to ask that when anyone is editing the pages, please only put things in that are confirmed facts. As in Cherith of Kate have said them, directly. It is very vauge to say "So and so becomes such and such/dies/has kits". This is especially true for the Twilight and Sunset sections. If you do not provide a source, I will assume it's faulty and may take the liberty of removing it.

I agree with the deletion of links, there are plenty of other sites to post those on. --Dusk 20:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I would like to comment on an example of what Duskstripe is saying. A few weeks ago in August 2006, someone had added to the Twilight section about who had died, and other very big spoilers. Although I know it to be true, it should be removed from the article because it does not fit with the layour of the other books. Thank you for your time.

Sunset7611

Objection

I would have objected to the removal of all the links had I been here. I have re-added the top two fan-sites, (being Warrior's Wish & StarClan's Mercy) Only the RP sites and a few of the 'fan-sites' had to be deleted. I came here looking for the shrine links and I was very, very dissapointed to find them gone.

Maybe some of the sites that have so much content should be kept up? After all; on the graphics sites you can't add the graphics to Misplaced Pages.

--User:Blizzardclaw

The last thing this page needs is more links, it's not within encylopedic standards at all. Any links posted must be official or meet WP:WEB. We need more contextualized content not more links. Yanksox 02:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

New Book

I've just read in my Author Tracker notice, that Erin Hunter is writing another book!! Here is the email:

AuthorTracker :: Erin Hunter

Hi everyone--

First of all, a huge fluffy-tailed thank you to everyone who has left a review of The New Prophecy Book Four: Starlight on Amazon.com or BarnesandNoble.com. It’s great to know you are so pleased with the way things are turning out as the Clans settle into their new home. It was really sad to leave the Forest behind after nine action-packed books, but luckily the Lake seems to hold just as many opportunities for adventure and conflict. And for doomed romance, of course!

I’m currently working on three very exciting Warriors titles, which are keeping me busy and out of the sunshine (sigh). The first is Firestar’s Quest, a special self-contained story featuring our beloved Firestar and what he got up to between The Darkest Hour and Midnight, after BloodClan had been driven out of the forest. I’ve also finished the first draft of the manuscript for Power of Three Book One, the start of the brand-new series. The adventures in these books are foreshadowed in a sinister prophecy that Firestar receives in a shadowy cave, far from home… Three will come, kin of your kin, with more power for good or evil than any cat that has walked the forest before. Hmmmm . . . who could these cats be? And will they be a force for good--or will they destroy ThunderClan forever? You’ll have to read the books to find out!

And finally (phew!), I’m putting together a guide to all things Clan and feline that have featured in the books so far. Look out for Warriors: Secrets of the Clans, which comes out next year. It’s been great fun to go back and revisit my favorite scenes and characters, and investigate some more unusual viewpoints. Ever wonder what StarClan thought about Bluestar’s decision to give up her kits? Or how Fernpaw and Ashpaw really felt about leading the vicious pack of dogs away from their Clanmates? All will be revealed, I promise!

That’s all for this month. I’ll be in touch again in August!

Very best wishes, Erin

HarperCollins Publishers 10 East 53rd Street, New York, New York, 10022 Copyright© 2006 HarperCollins Publishers

This is not a forum for discussing the Warriors books - this is for ways to make the Warriors Misplaced Pages page better. Please don't add things such as this, and don't reveal your e-mail to strangers.

Revampage

PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE YOU EDIT

Ok, I have quasi-nukified this article, so we can start afresh. It's clear you guys know about this series, but it was getting way out of hand. So, I recommend, you read WP:MoS and Misplaced Pages's standards on other articles. I think a good article can now come out of here. Yanksox 23:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

More detailed page

Most of you will be happy to know that I reverted the warrior cats page back to the original version! Enjoy and keep reading Warriors!

I have reverted this, please add to the current article as the old one was not nearly up to our standards. Yanksox 04:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Could someone tell me

Why is the newer page better than the older one?? The older one was more detailed and just perfect.The new one is rather...short of info

You can expand this article. The issue with the old page was the fact that's it was not encylopedic, and just something that you find on fansites. Yanksox 04:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Keep an eye on Changes

We need to keep a close eye on the stuff that people are putting in here. Someone entered that the loner Coal was Firestar's brother, and they kept saying that Hawkfrost was Hawkstar. Also, there are quite a few characters that have been left out, such as Willowpelt, who I think was Whitestorm's mate. I don't have much time to be working on it, but I might check back in every once in a while. Thanks- Pheasantfoot

Corruped Page Layout

Something was really wierd about the page layout, so I reverted it to the last edit. Also, not to self-advertise, but what about The Moonstone Forums (warriorcats.tk) with 200 members?

Uiop 00:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It does not matter how many members there are, there are some sites with over a thousand members. But that does not give them the right to advertise any more than other sites. I took that link off. I was thinking that someone could just compile a page with all of the Warriors RP sites that people want up. (They would do this on a different site, and then link to the page here. Just an idea, what do you guys think?) -Pheasantfoot

Just a thought

Ok, anyone is open to criticm on this, but I had a thought, so no one is offended, or annoyed. Instead of having all of these links which I admit get on my nerves as well. Have any of you seen those Top RPG sites? Well, if someone made a Top Warriors RPG, put them on there, and provide the link to it here, that might solve some of our problems, but also make us look more professional.

Yours Truly --Brokenwing06 16:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I didn't add a link to The Moonstone Forums. Uiop 23:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

What Happened to the Character List?

What happened to the character list? I thought that was a major part, and should stay.

--Moonshimmer 04:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

What happened to all of the other things, too?

There used to be a character page, and a list of herbs, too! Where did it go? I agree with Moonshimmer, and all of that stuff should stay. If it makes the article too long, there should be another article on it. Also, there isn't really much description on each book; it's just the blurb at the back of the book.

--SapphireSprite 15:47, 1 August 2006

I'm waiting....

How is this article better than the old one?(I know I have asked this a million times but I still don't get it!) Let's face it..why are only boring old paragraphs about the backs of each book on here and there are STILL no character bios?! It's been a month and still no progress at all...it should have character bios and more desciption about the books on here. All I am trying to say is Misplaced Pages...come on

This is unfair!

Why can't we put Warriors RPG links in the "links" part of the article?!! It's not fair, my friends have Warriors RPGs, they need more members, so I was putting the links to their RPGs for them! Like they say, no good deed goes unpunished! ~Skystar

I totally agree with you Skystar. Our site has only like 4 main members that are actually online to fill up the whole site! Maybe we should make a site that has links to all the sites and add that link to here. ~Sorrelpaw

Actually, that's a really good idea, Sorrelpaw. :) But some jerk would probable take the link down. :'( The reason the links I put up kept getting deleted, was "because it adds on FAR too much to the article!" Yeah. Sure. Two links is soooo much, isn't it. *rolls eyes* ~Skystar

My Comments

I just have some things to say:

Skystar - Two links isn't a lot, but when everyone says that, and everyone adds two links, it does get bigger - a lot bigger. If you would like your friends' websites to get more members, affiliate with another Warriors website. Also, RPGs are not websites that inform you about Warriors, and they are not official, which is what the people working on the Misplaced Pages Warriors article are looking for.

Sorrelpaw - I like your idea.

People complaining - I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but if you want that so badly, why don't you just add it yourself? People worked hard to make this. I helped add book summaries, because someone got rid of the whole article before and wrote sentences about the characters. I added the book summaries because a list of characters with two sentences of info about each of them is worse than just having book summaries. Also, medicine cat herbs and terms are added back on.

Thanks, ++Mysterypaw++

The links problem came up before, so I completely agree with you, Mysterypaw. And that recently-added Warriors characters article helps a lot too. Also, if people want detailed info on the said character, all they need to do is create another article for it.

Like that, I could easily see Warriors becoming like the Harry Potter articles or something.

TakaraLioness 17:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, maybe you guys are right, but I still think we should put RPG links for Warriors SOMEWHERE on Misplaced Pages. Maybe a whole article dedicated to them, since there are a lot?

~Skystar

Maybe, but what would it be, just a page full of links? Perhaps there could be a link leading to a page outside of Misplaced Pages that has a list of RPG links. That might be better.

TakaraLioness 01:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

A new proposal

Why don't we set up a Warriors fan sites page? It would have no conflict about who can post their link. --Res2216firestar 21:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. ~Skystar

I suppose that could work, but I'm just worried about how many links there'll be because there are so many RPG sites out there. Go for it then and let's see how it turns out.

TakaraLioness 07:1

Not to be overly forward but...

Hello. I am an avid fan of Warriors, and find this page in sorry, sorry condition. Can I please have a list of the major contributors to Warriors novels so that we might begin collaboration for this page? First off, the clean-up and formal tone tags must be addressed. The book descriptions are basically ripped from the book's inside covers, and must be reworded. Also, if someone might upload images of the covers, that would be excellent. Thank you. DoomsDay349 23:50, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for adressing that problem. I edit this page a lot, so you can add me to the list.

Thanks --Res2216firestar 20:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I suppose you could add me also. I edit this page often as well, and I do agree that the article could be much better. The article is extremely better than that horrendous state it was in after we "started anew" with it, but it does need improving. I just can't think of how to clean it up properly, etc, etc. Misplaced Pages's rather vague sometimes...

Oh, and somehow, this, along with a few other sections, were deleted... I restored this one. TakaraLioness 19:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Basically, the book summaries sound like they were ripped from the inside jackets. They need to be more formal. I'll try to get to it. DoomsDay349 01:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right. I'll try to work on it also, but I can't really make promises. I'm rather busy...

TakaraLioness 23:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I plan to begin as soon as I finish Twilight. DoomsDay349 23:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, I have finished Twilight and plan to begin work. Firstly, we have to resolve the formal tone issue. The problem with that is the fact that this page has book summaries that sound like they were ripped from the jacket or a fan-site. As for clean-up, we'll want to consider splitting this page and adding more here. What we need is a History and Influence section (which we can hopefully dig up from chats, etc.) a short main storyline, a section on the movie rumor, and links to the other Warriors-related Misplaced Pages articles. Then, external links. The ones we have there are alright now. As for clan organization and terms, I suggest an article on Clan (Warriors), which would include those and summaries of the four clans. We may also have enough material for a ThunderClan article, but not the other three Clans. The article on Warriors characters is decent, but could be better. The articles on Firestar and Graytstripe need expansion. The list of NP chars is same as the other list. What we need are aritcles on the other major cats; Bluestar, Tigerstar, Tallstar, Brambleclaw, Cinderpelt, Leafpool, Squirellflight, Stormfur, Feathertail (Warriors), Crowfeather, Hawkfrost, Mudclaw, Sandstorm (Warriors), Dustpelt, and possibly others. Like I said, a ThunderClan article would also be useful, where we could include a list of cats not important enough for a whole article, such as Rainwhisker, for instance. Now then, the list of novels here should be moved to List of Warriors novels, made to meet formal tone, set in cite book format, and given a short summary. That sums my plans for now. DoomsDay349 01:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

In addition, I think I will start a Category:Warriors, although we can't call it that because there almost certainly is one...perhaps Category:Warriors (books series)? Dunno. DoomsDay349 01:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've done some work. Firstly, the new Category:Warriors (book series) has been created. It only has four articles as of yet but hopefully this will be expanded as we add articles on novels and characters. Secondly, the two lists of Warriors characters and Warriors: The New Prophecy characters have been merged and moved to List of Warriors characters. Graystripe (book series) has been moved to Graystripe. There's not much more I can do until I check out the Warriors book from the library, aside from re-write the section on Twilight, as I've still got it. Then, I plan to rewrite Midnight, Moonrise, and Starlight which I own. I'll do the rest when I get them out of the library. DoomsDay349 22:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

WARRIORS-based Sites?

I thought the Warriors-based sites section uneeded, and it was also reminding me of that link problem that seems to plague this article every so often. It listed a few forums (a few compared to the number there are out here on the net), and if only a few get on, then everyone and their friend will post their own links. Therefore, I deleted the section.

Feel free to complain and stuff, but we really can't have a hundred links leading to forums on here... TakaraLioness 19:55, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed with the above. Misplaced Pages is not a place for links off to fansites. If someone really wants to find one, they can google it and be done with it. DoomsDay349 22:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It was not meant as a place where we would have seperate links for each forum. It would be one website with a big list of Warriors fan sites. That way, people who wanted their links up could be happy without having 100 links. I will be starting a new section on it in this discussion page and I will try to explain more clearly. 24.183.40.221 15:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC) Mysterypaw

Erin Hunter

Who is under the pen name Erin Hunter? Sr13 18:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Please note that this talk page is not for discussion of the general topic. There is likely a forum to ask this question. However, to answer, I believe it is Kate Cary and Cherith Baldry, both under the pen name so that the library cataloging system will have an easier time of it. Please take further questions elsewhere. DoomsDay349 18:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, but...

May I ask why all of my sections about creating a link where anyone who wanted to send in their Warriors links could, and then there'd be a link to it from Misplaced Pages was deleted? It would help solve the link problem, and I'm sorry if you disagree, but I think it's rude to delete something people have worked on. Disagree if you want, 66.191.117.215 19:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)Mysterypaw

Another article?

I was the one that had put in the problem with Sorrltail's apprentiship a few days ago since it doesn't need to be in the Book Series article how about one called Warriors Inconsistences or something. That problem could go there as well as anything that anyone else has noticed. Now I personally like the series alot but for the Warriors articles to be their best, I feel we should the inconsistences like some other articles have Critisms. After all nothing is perfect and Misplaced Pages is supposed to be neutral. What does everyone think? Turtlepaw November 2006

I don't think that could get its own article... What about just a section of it on this page or something like that?

TakaraLioness 03:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

That could work... where on the page? Turtlepaw

P.S. how can I get rid of this box above... Er I'm that not used to Misplaced Pages yet. (delete the P.S. when I respond back if I don't delete it myself.)

Incorrect Informaton Corrected

I've corrected a section that claims that the Warriors Series has Outsold Harry Potter books. I've included links to refrences and explained where the misconception that most Warriors fans have taken up as thier War-cry in the 'WARRIORS MOVIE' crusade.

I simply am noting in here so that more people than I fully aware of the truth of the situation.

68.119.164.63 02:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Kitsufox

Warriors Sites

Everyone knows about that big problem we had where there was lots of advertising. My solution is that somebody opens up a website on a free web server or something they already have. There could be a guestbook or an e-mail address where people could send in the names of their favorite Warriors web sites. We can organize by things like role-plays, information sites, etc. We can then post the link on Misplaced Pages. Basically it'd be like a Warriors link database. If any one has any ideas or can help, please reply! Mysterypaw

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