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*] It seems as if two editors dispute the inclusion of any mention of Chavez's mexican heritage on the basis of racism. Repeated attempts to quell the issue have ensued but it still continues. I was wondering what your views are? Should his heritage be included? If so, where? Opening? Mark- *] It seems as if two editors dispute the inclusion of any mention of Chavez's mexican heritage on the basis of racism. Repeated attempts to quell the issue have ensued but it still continues. I was wondering what your views are? Should his heritage be included? If so, where? Opening? Mark-
*]. Where should subject's date of birth be placed in the article? Should details obtained from an e-mail communication with the article's subject be allowed in the article? 22:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC) *]. Where should subject's date of birth be placed in the article? Should details obtained from an e-mail communication with the article's subject be allowed in the article? 22:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
*]. Two editors dispute an official U.S. Senate page and major media references which state that Obama is an African American. 08:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

*] A group of editors believe that recent remarks made by Kerry and the controversy surrounding them do not deserve inclusion in the article because the controversy started today and is only "news" while others believe that it is imperative to feature them in the article due to the impact it has had surround Kerry and the 2006 elections. 06:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

*] The article has been in poor shape for months is potentially defamatory. While I personally hold no affinity for the subject of the article, I ask that some partisan sources be used as primary sources to illustrate the subject's point of view.] 00:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

*]. Should ]'s ] be included in his bio article (or elsewhere in Misplaced Pages)? 14:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

*]--Subject of article wishes to add extensive material including difficult-to-verify "firsts". Has previously been blocked for cut-and-paste replacement of bio. More content/POV dispute than BLP problem.03:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

*]--Looks like someone copied this biography from another source without even quoting it (they did include it in the external link section though). The page they (allegedly) copied from is http://www.monstroentertainment.com/lauren.php

*]--It seems as though one individual is monopolizing this article. Many of the edits he interprets rather than allowing the article or source speak for itself. It seems that 90%+ of the additions (not counting vandalism or name calling) is changed or reverted if he doesn't agree with it. I would like to see a moderator or several outsiders take a look at this and give input. 05:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


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  • The Nadine Gordimer article has been the subject of an edit/revert war regarding one paragraph of text. The controversial text is a reference to a recent criminal assault on Gordimer, which includes the race of the perpetrators and a quote stating that it is "ironic" that Gordimer was attacked by 3 black men, given Gordimer's anti-apartheid position. Summary and comment history at Talk:Nadine Gordimer. Two users have asked for any neutral non-racist justification for the perpetrators' race and "ironic" comment to be included; the IP-address user has asserted that Misplaced Pages policy and the other two users are pushing an anti-white POV. 22:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Continual edits of Homi Bhabha with reference to Prose Style. User's starting point is that references to Bhabha's prose style are 'insulting' to him, and seemingly with this in mind, has continually removed sourced text and reverted edits. Trying to find a reasoned consensus with the user on Talk:Homi Bhabha has proved difficult (in unrelated incidents, the user has been given previous warnings about their editing and asked to refrain from insulting others). After providing explanations to the user about the sourced content, these have been disregarded and the user has just deleted the parts of the text they don't like. Can anyone help resolve this situation? 18:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Marshall M. Parks - Should a list containing 42 surgeons trained by Parks be included in the article? 21:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • An anon user has persisted in changing the birth name in the Sid James article (see Talk:Sid James#Real-Name, claiming to be his grandson and citing only sight of the birth certificate. I have reverted, citing four external sites, but looking back at the history of the article both birth names have been listed in the past. Can anyone resolve the dispute? I'm fed up reverting, saying that the anon user has provided no evidence. Stephenb (Talk) 14:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The Paul McKenna (hypnotist) biography. Under the "controversy" heading, I've added a direct (referenced) quotation from a published court ruling which highlights an important criticism of the subject's publications. However, another user keeps removing the quotation. I've restored it a couple of times, removing any comments, to just let it speak for itself. Is there any way of preventing removal of material like this, which seems intended to doctor the article by removing criticism? I would have thought that the quotation itself was justified and unconvtroversial, in terms of its inclusion, because it is simply a quote taken directly from a published legal document. Is it inappropriate for inclusion? 172.188.48.211 11:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The Lex Luger article is getting ridiculous over the inclusion over a mention of a video.21:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Maybe you should read the guidelines for the listing: "stating briefly and neutrally what the debate is about." Saying the word "ridiculous" isn't neutral.
  • See Talk:Gregg Berhalter for an escalating conflict regarding use of a quote regarding the US Soccer team at the 2006 World Cup. 04:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

*Talk:Saipan Sucks#RfC responses

ISSUE: 'Is or is this not Original Research:

At the webpage http://www.saipansucks.com/about.htm the author's name does not appear. The page is written anonymously.

But not really. Because with the same page opened in your browser, go to View > Page Source (in Mozilla) or View > Source (in IE).

On line 39 of the html source code you see the name William Betz as author.

Can I cite the html source naming the author and have that not be OR?

Also, if one does a whois with the domain saipansucks.com, the name William Betz is shown as the Administrative Contact.

Can I cite a whois lookup the naming the Administrative Contact and have that not be OR?

In both cases one must take an ACTION. And no published source mentions that by these actions one can find the page's author. I in a sense "created" the way, did the research for this.

C.m.jones 22:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • See: Talk:Wang Wei (pilot). The question is, should there be mention of the joke about his name sounding like "Wrong Way"? 11:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Tittell Brune I have used a see also link which goes from the particular to the general i.e. a bio article on Tittell Brune with a link to "Actor" and "Celebrity". The dispute is that I'm not allowed to do this by WP. I maintain that Misplaced Pages has some of the qualities of a scholarly encyclopedia, see What is a Scholarly Encyclopedia? (for Art, or any Subject). Please give guidance. 17:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:William G. Tifft Whether some additional information and a quote from a third party source, are suitable to add to this biography of an astronomer. 17:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Mwai Kibaki, Talk:Mwai Kibaki I would like comment about including refernced information about Kibaki's second wife that keeps being removed by someone who objects. It is neutrally reported and referenced, imo. What's yours? Thanks. 16:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:O.J. Simpson#'Death_of_his_ex_wife'_section Disagrement over the use of the term "murder of." Needs input from third party with a NPV. 22:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Barbara Schwarz - Barbara Schwarz is the subject of her own article, against her wishes, and is also featured in the article on Mark Rathbun. On the talk page of her article one of the regular editors there wrote to me: If you are genuinely "someone cares about her", then recommending a course of psychotherapy by a qualified and licensed practitioner would appear to be a more practical extention of this sentiment than quibbling over words in an article you say "has almost no importance." If this is true do you think that a person in need of psychiatric care should be the subject of a Misplaced Pages article? Thanks. Steve Dufour 17:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:John_Howard#Request_for_Comment:_Failure_to_enlist - Dispute over whether something that has not occurred should be included in the biography and whether there should be reference to a reliable source for the event not having occurred. 12:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Joan of Arc bibliography#RFC - Disagreement over whether Daniel Hobbins' book should be included in the bibliography. Hobbins is an academic historian, his book is published by Harvard University Press, and has received favorable reviews. One editor questions whether the press and the reviews are reliable, and feels that Hobbins' work is "crackpot" and "fringe". 20:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Mark Rathbun - He was a top official in the Church of Scientology. Now it seems he has become a "non-person". I think he is notable enough. However about half of his article is taken up by someone's conspiracy theories about him.
  • Talk:Mustafa Kemal Ataturk - advice needed on including a section with arguments for and against his involvement in genocide. As of now, the article has virtually no criticism, which has been noted by many users, and the section I added is balanced and sourced, but is continually getting removed. Am I crazy? --21:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Rani_Mukerji#Mukerji_Mukherjee.3F Advice needed on discussion on moving article to a correct name for Misplaced Pages due to incorrect name. 19:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Dick_DeVos#Is_there_any_NPOV_on_here.3F.3F.3F and Talk:Dick_DeVos#NPOV_cleanup: Numerous NPOV disputes that remain unresolved, including a recent attempt to edit the introduction. Discussions among four editors in particular have been unproductive and resulted in numerous reverts. Input would be appreciated! 21:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Joseph_Stalin#POV_Introduction: Was Stalin a dictator ? 19:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)St
  • Talk:John_McCain#Straw_poll:_Use_of_Citation_Tag. Article has over 53 citations but a user wants a banner at the top of the article that says "Citations missing". When are enough citations enough? -- Stbalbach 17:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Jonathan Wells (creationist) Mostly a good article. However a lot of it seems to be about how much real scientists disagree with him plus some digressions about the cover picture on one of his books and how he went to a hearing on creationism "at taxpayers' expense". I think the article would be more effective with just the facts about his life and a list of his books and articles. Steve Dufour 21:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Moshe Levinger#Request_for_comments How serious crimes must a person have committed before we can use the ] on that person? Also: can a persons most famous (to my knowledge) quote be removed, because it is (rather) controversial/provocative? Any comments from an outsider will be appreciated. Regards, Huldra 11:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Sarah_Shahi#Request_for_comments I believe an outside and neutral observer is needed to help achieve a consenus between editors on one particular paragraph within the scope of this article. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! 18:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Sarah_Shahi#Request_for_comments There is minor edit war brewing regarding certain facts. One editor who disagrees with the facts has engaged in the removal of the entire paragraph, rather than improving the paragraph, and then resorted to un-commented reverts. I invite disinterested parties to review the RfC and comment. What is your opinion of the paragraph, its relevance, and the removal? Thank you. 17:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • ] On Amazon.com there is a negative member review of Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover that un-registered editors are using (and in some cases, interpreting) to add to the "criticsm" section of that article. I would say that some of them are valid only in that Dave talks about them on his show, but we have yet to figure out how to reference a radio program on Misplaced Pages. My issue is that do we really consider some guys member review on Amazon.com to be a reliable source? I've also got a guy using original research about growth stock mutual funds to make an argument about him, and there is no mention of Dave Ramsey in any of these articles. This section seems to get hot quite a bit, but the whole article in general needs attention due to the types of sources available on the subject. But I'd really like to know about the Amazon.com thing, especially with this being a biography of a living person.--Arkcana 07:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Having problems on the Neil Bush article with blanking of a section and when that didn't work he's now slapped a POV tag on it. Please come in here and let us know who is within Misplaced Pages policy or not. Thank you. 67.190.61.6 17:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Michael_Ignatieff#Request_comment_on_articlesAn administrator removed edits made on the talk page (by an infrequent contributor) and then blocked that contributor claiming that editor's editing skills are too good for a newbie and therefore he/she must be a "sock" of a third editor. The third editor insists the infrequent editor is not a sockpuppet and would like to return the 2 edits to the article talk page but fears he will be blocked by the administrator if he does so. What are your views regarding the removal of the 2 edits in question? 04:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Cesar Chavez It seems as if two editors dispute the inclusion of any mention of Chavez's mexican heritage on the basis of racism. Repeated attempts to quell the issue have ensued but it still continues. I was wondering what your views are? Should his heritage be included? If so, where? Opening? Mark-
  • Talk:Selig Percy Amoils. Where should subject's date of birth be placed in the article? Should details obtained from an e-mail communication with the article's subject be allowed in the article? 22:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)