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Iranian Ethnicity

Iranian people are not only related through langauge but also genetics. Iranian is a race, not just a culture. This is evident by just looking at a Kurdish person from Turkey and a Persian from Iran.

Work in progress, please help

Here is what I have so far (Ethnic group info box):

The "Iranian peoples" are mainly characterized by their use of Iranian languages. The addition Not including possible Iranian peoples is not needed - instead, estimates vary should make it. There is no need to mention all kinds of languages ... it's totally enough to say Iranian languages. Tājik 00:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to edit it. Also, the reason I put that down is because Croatians, Bulgarians, etc.. are still disputed.Khosrow II 01:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Can we turn it into a template to be used on all the articles on Iranian peoples? --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 01:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The image

I really like the image, but can we get more non-Persians please? We shouldn't forget that the other Iranian peoples are no less important! —Khoikhoi 02:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, in my previous one I had Saladin (Kurd), Cyrus (Persian), and Avicenna (Tajik). I dont really care what the image is, so long as there is an image.Khosrow II 02:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I know. But I thought that these 3 Persians actually represent the wider "Iranian identity" rather than a specific "Persian identity". Zarathustra was not Persian but Bactrian. Darius was an ancient Persian and should not be confused with modern Persians - besides that, he was the Emperor of the first Iranian Empire. Avicenna wrote most of his works in Arabic rather than Persian. His ethnicity was most likely "Sogdian". Rumi represents a whole range of peoples - most of all, he represents a unique version of ISlam which sprang out of a strong Iranian element.

I removed the piture of Saladin, because Saladin was more an Arab than a Kurd or Iranian. And I replaced the picture of Cyrus with that of Darius, because Darius' picture is better known. Tājik 02:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Cyrus was not the shah of the first Iranian Empire. You have to remember that the Medes were the founders of the first Iranian Empire (while the Bactrians and Sogdians founded the first Iranian kingdoms).Khosrow II 02:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I understand Tājik, it's just that I'd just rather have it not seem like Persians are the "dominators of all Iranian peoples". I'm sure there are plenty of famous non-Persians we can add—right? We don't even have to have 4 people, we can have many more like in the Kazakhs page, or even the Volga Tatars article (although I think that's possibly overkill). Additionally, not all Pan-Iranists are Persians, right? —Khoikhoi 03:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I am curious why all the personalities in the image are Persians. Is this a page for Persians? Anyway, Tajik's argument on removing Saladin (being more Arab than Kurd !!!), sometimes makes me wonder that all this talk of Iranian people, Greater Iran,etc, are just convenient vehicles for advancing the cause of Persian domination over the region.Heja Helweda 03:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Calm down. By the way, not all of them are Persians. Tajiks are Central Asia Persians in the context that they speak a Persian dialect, however, they are mostly the descendents of Sogdians, and Bactrians, and other Central Asian Iranic peoples. However, I do believe we should have more pictures, including Ossetians, Kurds, Pashtuns, Balouchi's, etc...Khosrow II 03:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Azarbaijani people

Azarbaijani people should be included in the list as Iranian peoples. Their race and genetics are Iranian. This has been proven by various scientific tests (done by non-Iranians). The "Azari" name, culture and history is Persian. More than 40% of their language is Persian. Most of their names, traditional costumes, cuisine, architecture, etc....is PERSIAN not Turkic.```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.66.84 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree too, infact I was reading that before Azari, the spoken language in the now Azari region was Persian.--84.70.111.97 00:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

This has already been discussed in the talk page archives. Azeris may fit-in to your definition of Iranian peoples, but they don't match the definition of this article. Khoikhoi 00:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The infobox needs to go

The infobox is useless as the Iranian peoples aren't an ethnic group, but a series of ethnic groups sometimes only linked by language and sometimes by other factors. Tombseye 05:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

pictures

There's two pictures of Persian people in the article I think we should change one to a Kurd; Saladin would be good. Ozgur Gerilla 14:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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