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Revision as of 02:40, 15 December 2006 editCowman109 (talk | contribs)6,540 edits Sorry, reverting the transclusion of the ANI report - makes things too cluttered and difficult and isn't really necessary.← Previous edit Revision as of 04:10, 15 December 2006 edit undoDina (talk | contribs)18,544 edits →Response: responseNext edit →
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:<small>''crossposted from ]''</small>Hi. If you would like to discuss the use of Wikimedia resources in your classroom, please feel free to contact us at info AT wikimedia.org -- however, in the future, please don't harangue our local project administrators for doing their job. Thanks for understanding, and I look forward to any further discussion by email. ] 22:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC) :<small>''crossposted from ]''</small>Hi. If you would like to discuss the use of Wikimedia resources in your classroom, please feel free to contact us at info AT wikimedia.org -- however, in the future, please don't harangue our local project administrators for doing their job. Thanks for understanding, and I look forward to any further discussion by email. ] 22:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

:As someone with some experience in science-based informal education, I'd like to point out that your students did "learn(...) how to become Misplaced Pages editors", in a very real world way. The simple exercise of adding your link to learn the medium ''was'' educational -- it taught them (and may I suggest, you) something about how wikis work. Frankly, if I were in your class I would have written a killer paper about linkspam, and how wikis deal with it. The simple technology of a wiki is available to you for any experiences you want your students to have using the medium, as it's open souce. If the experience you wanted your students to have was how to become Misplaced Pages editors in a real world context then, to me, you have an intellectual responsibility to either design your activity so that it creates the experience you want (in this particular case, Misplaced Pages's policies, guidelines and experiences with linkspam are all readily available) or accept the data of of your real world experiment (creating a large number of accounts, quickly, from the same IP and having them all insert an identical link results in a block). The blocking adminstrator acted ''completely'' within Misplaced Pages's standard practice here -- nothing you have criticized him for is regarded as even slightly irregular. I believe that the burden here is on you, to either research the assignments you give your students more thoroughly, and shape them to create the experience you want, design your own wiki to control your results, or accept the results of the experiment you created. It sounds like a really great class, by the way. Cheers. ] 04:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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Response

Hi, there! Just for clarification, administrators cannot delete accounts; only a developer could perform such an action and as far as my memory serves I do not believe that has been done in any cases. As for blacklisting the website, I'm not sure what you mean. If it is no longer possible to add that link to Misplaced Pages, it would have been blacklisted by an administrator on the m:Spam blacklist on Meta. I am not an administrator there, so it would have been someone else who did that. As to the blocks, I acted upon a concern brought up on the administrator's noticeboard visible here, where several other users agreed that the use of the links on the talk pages classified as spam, though of course I was not aware of the details at the time. Are any of the accounts still in use? I'll leave a note on the administrator's noticeboard to see about unblocking them if it is requested. Thanks for telling me of this! Cowman109 21:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

crossposted from User talk:Cowman109Hi. If you would like to discuss the use of Wikimedia resources in your classroom, please feel free to contact us at info AT wikimedia.org -- however, in the future, please don't harangue our local project administrators for doing their job. Thanks for understanding, and I look forward to any further discussion by email. Jkelly 22:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
As someone with some experience in science-based informal education, I'd like to point out that your students did "learn(...) how to become Misplaced Pages editors", in a very real world way. The simple exercise of adding your link to learn the medium was educational -- it taught them (and may I suggest, you) something about how wikis work. Frankly, if I were in your class I would have written a killer paper about linkspam, and how wikis deal with it. The simple technology of a wiki is available to you for any experiences you want your students to have using the medium, as it's open souce. If the experience you wanted your students to have was how to become Misplaced Pages editors in a real world context then, to me, you have an intellectual responsibility to either design your activity so that it creates the experience you want (in this particular case, Misplaced Pages's policies, guidelines and experiences with linkspam are all readily available) or accept the data of of your real world experiment (creating a large number of accounts, quickly, from the same IP and having them all insert an identical link results in a block). The blocking adminstrator acted completely within Misplaced Pages's standard practice here -- nothing you have criticized him for is regarded as even slightly irregular. I believe that the burden here is on you, to either research the assignments you give your students more thoroughly, and shape them to create the experience you want, design your own wiki to control your results, or accept the results of the experiment you created. It sounds like a really great class, by the way. Cheers. Dina 04:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)