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	DOI: 10.1016/j.jhin.2014.01.005		DOI: 10.1016/j.jhin.2014.01.005

	== merge proposal for specific vaccines ==

	See ] for a proposal to merge Influvac, Optaflu, Fluzone together into ] (and make it easy to add other specific brands such as ] as separate sections rather than redirects or new articles). Please centralise discussion over there. ] (]) 22:08, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

	== Oral Influenza Vaccine in Trials ==

	{{u\|Daniel.Cardenas}}, this is not considered a secondary source as defined in ] and is not suitable for inclusion. It's too early to include this. Numerous promising treatments in the clinical trial phase do not pan out. If it were phase III and in a prominent journal (e.g., New England Journal of Medicine), I could perhaps understand the rationale for including it (perhaps in a Research section). When you say it's being covered in a secondary source-do you have a well-respected peer-reviewed review journal article that covers this specific oral influenza vaccine? Or a tertiary reference like a textbook? This seems like you are ] the material in and not being respectful of ]-why? (yes, I know it's optional but it really is the accepted guidance on Misplaced Pages for the right thing to do-this is well-established).

	Additionally, what is discussed in the lead should also be covered in the body of the article and should be highly noteworthy (this is not yet noteworthy enough to merit inclusion in the lead-as above, it's premature at this time since many experimental treatments in phase II clinical trials fail). I will see what the community thinks for broader consensus and further discussion. ] (]) 18:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
	:I'm not sure I agree, but I'll remove it anyways. Thanks for the thorough explanation. ] (]) 18:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
	::If not, you're welcome to explain why it belongs. Otherwise, it should be removed. ] (]) 18:56, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
	:::Is there a precedent for phase 2 working better than existing treatments and not launching? ] (]) 18:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
	::::No, phase 2 trials have a . If it survives additional, larger and much more expensive phase 2 trials, as a vaccine, it will need to clearly demonstrate safety and efficacy in tens of thousands of people with flu. Without a major pharma partner (none displayed, -- this was my error, as Janssen is a partner for the oral vaccine; see below), and with a , it does not appear Vaxart has the finances to take this project much further . --] (]) 19:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
	:::::'''Note:''' I missed mention of the Janssen partnership on developing the oral vaccine, shown in the table footnotes on It was also discussed in the --] (]) 03:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
	::If we included information about this, it would belong in the ==Research== section (not the lead), and it would be a pretty bland statement that says there's some research on flu vaccines that can be delivered as a pill. {{pmid\|31978354}} could be cited for that. MEDRS has a strong preference for secondary sources, although ] does permit primary sources under limited circumstances, as a temporary measure. Alternatively, and more usually, we could just wait a few months. It seems likely that this will get mentioned in a secondary source before long.
	::I also want to say that while a flu vaccine in pill form could be more pleasant for the patients who are currently getting a flu jab every year (e.g., me), a vaccine that could bypass the ] problem and had no risk of spreading bloodborne infections is an important area of research. ] (]) 21:41, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
	::: {{re\|WhatamIdoing}} Someone did try to put it in ==Research== and mentioning {{pmid\|31978354}}, but it was removed by ]. While I agree the removed edit sounds like advert but if we just paraphrase that edit and remove advert part... then I think it'll be OK. ] (]) 01:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
	::::Would go in the research section if anything. Would like to see a review on the topic not a press release. ] (] · ] · ]) 01:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
	::::: OK, i have included it on research section. other reviews on the topic is scarce at the moment (afterall the publication is issued few days ago), but will update it once further review available. ] (]) 02:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
	::::::There's a review from 2008 by someone from that company, but I haven't found much else at PubMed. Google Scholar has a few more hits. ] (]) 03:59, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

	== Remove quadrivalent flu in the research section ==		== Remove quadrivalent flu in the research section ==

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Should include the strongly significant relationship between drop in healthcare worker vaccination and rise in nosocomial influenza-like illness in their elderly patients

A 2014 study of 62,343 hospitalized patients found that their risk of infection with an influenza-like illness while in hospital rose over five-fold, from 1.1% to 5.7% (P < 0.001) as rates of influenza vaccination among their healthcare workers dropped by about 76%, from 13.2% to 3.1% (P < 0.001).

J Hosp Infect. 2014 Mar;86(3):182-7. doi: 10.1016/j.jhin.2014.01.005. Epub 2014 Feb 6.

Can influenza vaccination coverage among healthcare workers influence the risk of nosocomial influenza-like illness in hospitalized patients?

Amodio E1, Restivo V2, Firenze A2, Mammina C2, Tramuto F2, Vitale F2.

PMID: 24581755

DOI: 10.1016/j.jhin.2014.01.005

Remove quadrivalent flu in the research section

IMO Research section is only for vaccine in research and development phase. Since quadrivalent flu vaccines (injection or nasal) are already in the market or already past research phase. Can we remove "Quadrivalent vaccines for seasonal flu' sub-section in the Research section? and move the content elsewhere in the article. Ckfasdf (talk) 01:07, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Request edit - 6 of 7 M-001 trials completed. Only one of the 7 trials has results. None that BiondVax sponsored do.

{{request edit}} >"As of 2019, there were some ongoing clinical trials of the M-001 universal influenza vaccine candidate" needs updating. The trial NCT03058692 has results, and 5 of the other 6 have completed. NCT02691130: results failed NLM's limited QC review - twice. None of BiondVax's 6 completed trials have published results. NCT01419925: results also failed NLM's limited QC review - three times. BiondVax's failed to submit the legally required "basic results" for a single one of its M-001 trials.

This could be, and I ask it be noted with, "As of May, 6 of 7 M-001 trials are completed. One of the 7 trials has results. None that BiondVax sponsored do."

As for NCT03058692, the results are new, very long (about 67 p-values) and there's no summary or conclusion; I'm not sure what edit about that is appropriate. Expert help needed.--50.201.195.170 (talk) 07:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

The IP editor has not declared a conflict of interest, or there is not one I can see. If this is a COI edit request, the propoer disclosures need to be made. Spintendo 10:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

This is editor interpretation of preliminary, primary research. I don't see how we can include this new data without reporting from reliable secondary sources. In lieu of such reporting, perhaps we could just delete the sentence in question? Global Cerebral Ischemia (talk) 13:52, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

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