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Elon affirmed his father's mine involvement in an interview with Jim Clash, a career interviewer of public figures, that was published by Forbes and withdrawn without explanation a few months later. Elon biographer Ashlee Vance likewise confirmed Errol's mining interest, with Elon's objections but not denials, in a 2020 interview report with Elon. Errol has stated that he received hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of emeralds from his dealings. Q6: Should "Bachelor of Arts in Physics" be "Bachelor of Science" instead? A6: No. Although it may seem counterintuitive, "Bachelor of Arts" is awarded for all undergraduate degrees at the College of Arts and Sciences at the University of Pennsylvania. His economics degree however is from the Wharton School which does award a "Bachelor of Science" degree. Q7: Should the article acknowledge doubts about Musk's academic record? A7: Misplaced Pages policy on biographies of living persons requires that negative information about a person must be attributed to reliable published sources, and excludes both self-published sources (e.g. Twitter threads) and court trial records. The article states that sources disagree about when Musk obtained bachelor degrees, and that he did not attend Stanford for any significant amount of time. Any doubts beyond this require appropriate sources. Q8: Why doesn't this article describe Musk as an engineer? A8: Musk is chief engineer of SpaceX, a title that applies within the company and that the press regularly mentions. He is not a professional engineer, a distinction within engineering that carries certain legal privileges in the United States, nor has he completed an engineering training program, nor has he ever been hired as an engineer. The article therefore does not include any of these claims. It does note that, from time to time, Musk has made initial product proposals at his companies that his trained engineers then research and develop. He does hold IEEE Honorary Membership. Q9: Why doesn't the article identify Musk as co-founder of PayPal? A9: Because that could mislead readers that Musk was involved in the creation of the PayPal service and brand, when he was not. Instead, as the article states, he co-founded a company (X.com Corporation) that acquired the company that had developed PayPal (Confinity Inc.) and then renamed itself as PayPal, Inc. Q10: Why does this page include criticism of Musk's actions and stances? A10: Musk is criticized/praised a lot in many reliable sources, and as such we need to talk about these criticisms and praise. 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  1. "Joe Rogan Experience #1169 - Elon Musk". The Joe Rogan Experience. September 6, 2018. Event occurs at 9:53. Retrieved October 2, 2020 – via YouTube.
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See https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/22/elon-musk-net-worth-tesla-cybertruck .

The performance with the bust windows reduced the share price by 6%, as did the hashish smoking.

Please remove Grimes entirely from Elon's page

On May 7, 2018, Musk and Canadian musician Grimes revealed that they had begun dating. On January 8, 2020, Grimes announced she was pregnant. The baby's father is assumed to be Musk, although this was not announced.

Please remove this paragraph. Grimes has never been his girlfriend from the start and she is 100% not pregnant. Please see thetruthseeker.club or boycottgrimes on twitter for a lot of evidence of both of these things. Elon would ask himself if he wasn't being blackmailed by that awful thing. His PR person even confirmed that the Met "date" was only supposed to be a PR stunt that went very wrong and he was very mad about it. Seriously look at Boycottgrimes on YouTube for the video... He will ask you himself to remove all mention of that thing as soon as the 420 trial is over. She is not, nor ever was his girlfriend. Just an abusive, blackmailing, roofying grifter who demands he pays her large amounts of money every month. seriously! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.35.109.38 (talk) 05:27, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Grimes has since confirmed she is indeed pregnant with Musks's child. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoganBlade (talk • contribs) 05:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Second this motion. Interstellar20 (talk) 01:05, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

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  1. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/grimes-rolling-stone-digital-cover-960843/

Removed Illness Section in Personal Life

I invoked WP:BOLD and removed this section on Musk contracting malaria. With YouTube as a self-published source of user-generated content, I felt it inappropriate to include it in a BLP without additional sources for it. No objections if someone readds the section, if there are additional sources to go with it. I'll have to re-read my copy of Musk's biography to know for sure, but I honestly don't recall malaria ever being mentioned in it. OhKayeSierra (talk) 09:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

So I double checked my copy of Musk's biography, and unfortunately, I couldn't find any mention of malaria in it. If there's any reliable sources to support the claim, please feel free to revert me. But, unfortunately, I haven't been able to find much myself. OhKayeSierra (talk) 14:38, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
I think we should all be happy he didn't contract malaria. But did you see e.g. this and this? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Regardless of sourcing, the mere statement that Musk once contracted malaria is definitely not notable without wider context. And even in the wider "why Musk never takes vacation" context of those two links, I'm not convinced that it is anything more than trivia. Rosbif73 (talk) 15:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Tend to agree. Might get a mention if it killed him, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:16, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
It's completely irrelevant. User:Back ache, please do not restore the disputed material without a talk page consensus to do so, cheers. (Talking of irrelevant, it doesn't even mention a near-death experience?) ——SN54129 09:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Actually, reading that book source, it does sound quite serious. He had the worse strain "falciparum malaria". It says he was rushed to hospital and specifically: "Doctors there misdiagnosed and mistreated his condition to the point that Musk was near death." The description of the incident is quite detailed. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
In which case, way for our article to manage to strip outof all sense of importance or relevance! It managed too reduce what you just said there to "He caught malaria": when I said irrelevant, I meant to our article, not to him. As he is clearly allowed to give theepisode more WP:WEIGHT than us:) ——SN54129 11:07, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
OhKayeSierra I added a reference to specific section of Askley Vances book but it was still removed, I do think near-death experiences is a big enough life event to help you understand someone, but I will respect the consensus that if it doesn't kill him, its not interesting Back ache (talk) 11:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
The mere statement "Musk contracted malaria" is not in itself a useful addition to his biography. Too little detail makes it worthless. But with appropriate sources to back a slightly more detailed explanation of the effect that this had on Musk, it could potentially be worth including. Rosbif73 (talk) 11:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Then you reduced a bit too much. He was near death, i.e. it nearly killed him. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Martinevans123 According to Musk, his mother and brother (in the video) and Ashley Vance (in the book) he got pretty close, it doesn't matter though, I am a bit exhausted by this tbh Back ache (talk) 11:36, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Maybe we should call an ambulance! We all know Misplaced Pages should carry a health warning. Especially for editors with a name like yours? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

A well documented near death experience hardly seems irrelevant. Benjamin (talk) 05:16, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

The essence of WP:NOR is that editors should not decide what is significant. If Musk had a near death experience, and if that had any effect worth noting, a reliable source would have noted it (the effect, not whether the illness occurred). Johnuniq (talk) 05:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
I think the sources are sufficient. Benjamin (talk) 07:18, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Which source noted which effect? Johnuniq (talk) 08:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Is it required that the sources discuss the effect? Benjamin (talk) 08:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, they must discuss it directly, otherwise it would be WP:OR (or WP:SYN) to mention it. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Why do we necessarily have to mention the effect? Why can't we just say that it almost killed him? That seems like it should be significant enough on its own. Benjamin (talk) 09:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
If a reliable source says he nearly died, then it is of course possible to say so in wikipedia without it being OR. But I'm not convinced that a simple statement along the lines of "Musk nearly died in (whatever year it was) after contracting malaria" is significant enough to warrant inclusion if we don't have sourced discussion of how he was affected. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Elon and Grimes - once again

I don't intend to participate in a editing war or anything of that kind, but I must say, there seems to be some truth to the claims that Elon and Grimes are not together, as expressed by the user Interstellar20 (now blocked). Since there is no official information, I get why some are opposed to changing the partner section as per Wiki rules. However, there is also no official indication that they are together, coming from both Elon and Grimes (there are only articles citing Grimes, Elon never mentions it). As of yesterday, he is no longer following her on Twitter and there is mounting evidence that she is faking the pregnancy. Since Misplaced Pages is not a tabloid, in my opinion it would be best to just remove the information regarding Elon and Grimes and wait until there is some actual, verifiable and trusted source. Czarek11 (talk) 01:42, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Until a reliable third party account reports of a split, we go by the existing sources indicating they are together. Misplaced Pages articles are not based on who follows who on Twitter. That's not a source. NJZombie (talk) 01:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I do not object to the pure removal of challenged information, even if such challenging is only based on the lack of recent reliable confirmation of the earlier statements of previously-reliable, but now possibly outdated, sources. However, Interstellar20 did much more than that, in a way that – when looking at their complete contribution history and searching the web for confirmation – appears to be only describable as the creation of hoaxes. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:09, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Even if it were true that the two are no longer a couple, which I have zero emotional investment in, it's still sourced information about a relationship that did happen and is documented as such.NJZombie (talk) 18:15, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Sure – I think the main concern here is whether the infobox should display it as currently active. However, vague guesses based on social media interaction are unsuitable to be factored into this decision. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:27, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Right. I just sent you a direct message. NJZombie (talk) 18:30, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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In The Joe Rogan Experience episode 1169, at 10:13, Mr. Musk notes that his Misplaced Pages describes him as a "business magnate." When questioned what he would describe himself as, (10:16) he says "A business magnet. Can someone please change my Misplaced Pages page to magnet?"

I am requesting (along with Mr. Musk himself), in the first paragraph where it is stated Mr. Musk is an engineer, industrial designer, and technology entrepreneur, that business magnet be added to his description. YaboijackPK (talk) 04:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Not sure if you know, but on Misplaced Pages we go by WP:RELIABLESOURCES. Musk can describe himself any way he likes, but if there are no reliable sources calling him that, then he cannot be described as such, at least not in Misplaced Pages's voice. Dr. K. 04:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


Tesla Stock values fall April 30th- May 1st 2020

https://fortune.com/2020/05/01/tesla-shares-tumble-after-ceo-elon-musks-odd-tweet-storm/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-stocks-musk/tesla-tumbles-after-musk-tweets-stock-too-high-idUSKBN22D5V7

SOme of the news outlets try to tie Elon Musk to rants he made over California's shelter in Place orders when that took place.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/29/coronavirus-elon-musk-says-its-time-to-free-america-now-from-lockdowns/

Right now Elon is being played as a loose cannon figure in his rants. 2601:640:C600:3C20:D457:1003:C6EC:FFAE (talk) 20:23, 1 May 2020 (UTC) 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/daily-show-host-trevor-noah-goes-off-on-elon-musk-for-insane-lockdown-rant

https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/1/21244346/elon-musk-tesla-twitter-stock-price-coronavirus-grimes https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-30/musk-s-shutdown-rant-mocked-by-cuban-embraced-by-conservatives


Should this be in a section on his views, under a new bit about coronavirus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamthinking2202 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Purpose of the quote in the Education section?

What is the purpose of the random quote in the Education section? It's completely unrelated. It should be removed. BeŻet (talk) 17:28, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I've now removed it. If anyone can justify its inclusion, please explain it here. Thanks. BeŻet (talk) 11:53, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Axiarchist: what's the point of this quote? It doesn't belong here. This is Misplaced Pages, not an Elon fan page. BeŻet (talk) 21:19, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

The purpose of the quote is to give insight into the problem solving approach Musk uses for both spacex and tesla. The citation was incorrect and has now been corrected- it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTZNZOf17N4&feature=youtu.be&t=1175 . It was placed in the education section because of the link to the physics background, but could be relocated to the spacex section where has the most direct relevance. I am not sure why you consider that a "fan page" link- it is a useful quote that provides additional insight into the subject. Axiarchist (talk) 05:09, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Because it's a vapid, trivial utterance of no real importance. There's a place for these at Wikiquote, not here. If you really want, you could mention in the article that Musk says he "boils things down to their fundamental truths and reasons up from there", which sounds a bit douchey and would probably be rejected by other editors, but including such quote in such a manner is rather pointless. BeŻet (talk) 16:54, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Introductory Sentence is Misleading

The introductory sentence to this article states, "Elon Reeve Musk FRS (/ˈiːlɒn/; born June 28, 1971) is an engineer, industrial designer, technology entrepreneur, and philanthropist." The page for "Engineer" linked in this article states in its opening paragraph that "The foundational qualifications of an engineer typically include a four-year bachelor's degree in an engineering discipline, or in some jurisdictions, a master's degree in an engineering discipline plus four to six years of peer-reviewed professional practice (culminating in a project report or thesis) and passage of engineering board examinations." Elon Musk does not possess any of these qualifications, and given the description of his role within his company from sources 2, 3, and 4 of the article, the existing label in the opening sentence of "industrial designer" seems sufficient to describe his involvement. Describing Elon Musk as an engineer is misleading in that it implies that he has qualifications and education which in reality, he does not possess.

It is true that Musk describes himself as an engineer, however, as evidenced by the "Business Magnet" discussion on this talk page, that is not sufficient reason to include such a title in this article. It is my opinion that the word "engineer" in the opening sentence should be removed, resulting in the following: "Elon Reeve Musk FRS (/ˈiːlɒn/; born June 28, 1971) is an industrial designer, technology entrepreneur, and philanthropist."

NotOnTheSteel (talk) 22:36, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

No, it is not misleading. The information that he is an engineer is not something that has to be established in some objective sense. Rather there has to be (and indeed is) a reliable source as source for the information. Lklundin (talk) 13:48, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Is to be an engineer to possess some property that is in Nature such as angular momentum? That's absurd; one is an engineer if a group of others or an institution ascribes the title to the person. The source provided is an archived profile from ASME.org which states the following: While Mr. Musk does not have an engineering degree per say (sic), he holds degrees in Physics and Economics from the University of Pennsylvania, few dispute his assertion, in response to his focus on technical details as CEO of Tesla and Space X, "I'm an engineer, so what I do is engineering. That's what I'm good at.
That strikes me as a strange thing for a reliable source to disclose, especially if it also used against someone disputing whether Musk is an engineer or not. Firstly, it admits that he doesn't have a degree in engineering, so that removes institutional ascription. Secondly, it doesn't provide any evidence of some poll or survey conducted to determine if engineers or even laymen think of Musk as an engineer (i.e. ascription by group of others); it simply asserts that "few" dispute it. Does the number of those who dispute it matter? No, one should suffice. This leaves the argument with little strict recourse and therefore leads one to doubt how reliable it actually is.
However, the archived article also later describes him as a "practical engineer", which is admittedly ambiguous but also provides a clue as to what the article is attempting to do with regards to Musk's status. All that is needed is some further analysis. Now, is the article referring to him as one with a degree in practical eng ineering? Probably not, because the article already pointed out that Musk doesn't have an engineering degrees and reliable sources don't deal in contradictions. Therefore, unless we allow that the source contains false information, it must mean that Musk is to be considered an engineer in some loose sense of the term, as in an engineer in practice.
Given this analysis of the source material, I recommend the first line be changed to reflect this looser qualification: Musk is an engineer insofar as he's an engineer in practice. IanCappelletti (talk) 20:39, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
If you agree that the source confirms he's an engineer in practice, then where's the problem? Also, bear in mind that is not "some loose sense of the term", it is the sense of the term widely used around the world. Sure, a few jurisdictions restrict the practice of certain "engineering" tasks to people with a formal qualification in the subject, but many others do not. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Because 'engineer' is different from 'engineer in practice'; the article doesn't reflect that distinction and Misplaced Pages is in the business of trying to make things that verified by other sources put clearly. And are you sure yours is the sense of the term used widely around the world? Do you have anything that speaks to that conclusion? And even if there are different senses of 'engineer' in different parts of the world, shouldn't more care be taken to reflect in the writing how and by what local criteria Elon Musk is to be considered an engineer so as to overcome confusion? Or, we could just say he is an engineer in practice, which I don't believe anyone doubts and would "work" in any part of the world. IanCappelletti (talk) 20:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Where does this leave us? Would anyone object to NotOnTheSteel changing the language from "engineer" to "engineer in practice"? IanCappelletti (talk) 17:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
As an engineer, I object to this change. Firstly, in some places 'engineer' is not protected, so anyone can call themselves (or others) engineer. Further, any actual engineer is per se an "engineer in practice", so the change is confusing and unhelpful and outright pedantic. Lklundin (talk) 17:20, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
It can be argued that being an engineer does not require an engineering degree, just that you do engineering work. From a personal point I would argue that he is not actually an engineer and much less an industrial designer. He _supervised_ engineering projects and _critiqued_ industrial design. However, good luck challenging that here... I pass. I’d say “business magnate" would actually more apt (plus, Steve Jobs got that description, which may be why Musk wants it... Averell (talk) 06:17, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree. As I pointed out above, even the source material defers to some strange standard of "no one denying it". What engineering work has Elon Musk performed and then credited for? IanCappelletti (talk) 06:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
I am very unsure that this is a relevant discussion. But Elon Musk has personally been a driving force of the engineering in SpaceX. For example, his realization that he should calculate the price of the raw materials needed to build a rocket and compare that to the about 30 times higher selling price of a commercially available rocket and that consequently SpaceX should build their own rockets is a prime example of engineering work. When Wernher von Braun was building his first rocket that went to space there had been the exact same discussions, the needed amount of steel and potatoes (for distilling the alcohol that the V2 burned) which were both sorely needed for more Earthly tasks. However, while highly interesting this is a digression and in relation to the article and therefore indeed to this discussion any reasoning based on such discussions would be WP:OR. Lastly to Averell23: Your musings over whatever description Musk would want clearly falls under WP:NOTAFORUM. Lklundin (talk) 07:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
I had not heard of that story before! Huh -- prima facie, that sounds like good ole fashioned engineering to me. But on second thought, with taking in Averell23's réplique once more, I now have Mr. Musk in the example qua project budgetary manager. Well, allow me to give the dispute some further thought in the coming days. 🤗 IanCappelletti (talk) 08:54, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

X Æ A-12 / kyle

his newborn son, X Æ A-12, born on May 4th 2020 his name has been classified as "too complicated" on twitter. his new name is kyle. thank u for coming to my ted talk xoxo Clara.hehe (talk) 14:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC) a person with more common sense to name their kid R2D2's and C-3PO's cousin

References

  1. https://twitter.com/coffeemaestro_/status/1257840623547187205?s=20
  2. https://twitter.com/AnthonyEHay/status/1258152048870273024?s=20

Not a scientist

I challenge the claim that he's a scientist, which he is not. None of the given sources claim that he is a scientist. Tslawrk (talk) 11:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Tend to agree. None of those three sources in the lead have the word "scientist". There's a Q&A discussion at Quora here. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:01, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I can't see or find anything that says he is a scientist either. I removed it but it was replaced and for my sins I got called a reddit vandal, which I can assure you I am not. Govindaharihari (talk) 13:56, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it seems like there might be some POV editing on this article by some users who are fans of Elon Musk. Tslawrk (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't quite see how everyone who takes an undergraduate course physics is necessarily "a scientist". Martinevans123 (talk) 07:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


May I redirect to https://en.wikipedia.org/Scientific_method and how musk uses it in his day to day at Tesla and SpaceX. Thus is a scientist. Also holds physics degree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoganBlade (talk • contribs) 11:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

If you want to describe Musk as a "scientist" you need to provide a reliable source that uses that word. It's a simple as that. Although using just one single source might be pushing it. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:42, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Not only is Musk not a scientist, his dangerous lies about COVID-19 has proven that he's a science-denier. 46.97.170.78 (talk) 06:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2020

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I propose you remove the claim that he is a scientist from the introduction, per my comment in the section above this one. To summarize: none of the stated sources claim that he is a scientist. Tslawrk (talk) 11:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done Rosbif73 (talk) 14:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Possible case of non-neutral editing?

I feel like edits like this one aren't contributing to the neutrality of the article. This edit removed information backed by secondary sources, and replaced it with other information from a primary source which requires a person to provide their name and email to access it. The contributor of this particular edit also keeps re-adding the claim that Musk is a scientist, although (see previous discussions above) no source for this claim has been provided. --Tslawrk (talk) 10:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I tend to agree that the edit was not an improvement. The editor in question is a new editor who may not be familiar with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. So we have to allow some degree of forbearance, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, as a new user myself, I agree. The editor in question probably has good intentions, they may just be unaware of some policies. Tslawrk (talk) 12:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Stanford

The article says this:

"In 1995, Musk commenced a PhD in energy physics/materials science at Stanford University in California. Eager to pursue opportunities in the Internet boom, however, he dropped out after just two days to launch his first company, Zip2 Corporation."

Both sources support the claim regarding Stanford. Furthermore, Encyclopedia Britannica here says: "He enrolled in graduate school in physics at Stanford University in California, but he left after only two days because he felt that the Internet had much more potential to change society than work in physics." This is supported by: ecorner.stanford.eud, businessinsider, money.com and cnbc, amongst others. Are these sources all wrong? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Martinevans123: No need to dignify the below nonsense with an answer. Lklundin (talk) 18:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. "Elon Musk". Biography. Retrieved November 3, 2018.
  2. Angwin, Duncan; Cummings, Stephen (2017). The Strategy Pathfinder: Core Concepts and Live Cases. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-1-119-31184-3.

Both sources do not cite a source--theybare unverified; see wp:verify

Please remove the content. Granite07 (talk) 17:40, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I can post a half dozen sources that say the earth is flat... "Are these sources all wrong? Thanks" Granite07 (talk) 17:43, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

The Mine of Musk

@Martinevans123:　Rebuttal of a claim is doesn't give more validity to the claim, hence the rationale for reverting my edit here: is invalid as far as I can see. This is a biography of a living person on Misplaced Pages, not a gallery hall for claims without real backing like a news channel or a YouTube documentary or something. Geographyinitiative (talk) 08:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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