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Just wanted to thank you for all the census updates you’ve done. It’s an under appreciated job, but an important one! Grey Wanderer (talk) 18:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Citations
Thanks for the census update, but please use the same style of citation that was already present in the article. You can automatically harmonize whitespace in citations using this script. SounderBruce 03:35, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, please use the script to update the reference also. Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 18:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you :) this is exactly the way it should be done :) Cheers, - FlightTime (open channel) 04:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Again, please fill out the citations. It would be extremely helpful to include the Census Bureau as publisher and add May 2019 (the date for the release of city-level datasets). SounderBruce 23:57, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- Please format your citations using a template to avoid link rot. See my example at Stanwood, Washington#Demographics. SounderBruce 05:56, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Please stop
Please stop adding data for the VILLAGE of Mamaroneck to the article for the TOWN of Mamaroneck. Thanks ɱ (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Stop deleting paramaters
Please stop deleting infobox parameters on the page Lexington, SC. There is a place for census data for both the 2010 official data and the 2018 estimation. Stop deleting relevant content. Any further edits will be considered vandalism (Nicholemacgregor (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2019 (UTC)).
Irvington, New York
Do not put the 2018 numbers into the infbox unless you have the correct erefernce to support them. The one you're putting in goes to a 404 page. No reference, no numbers. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:48, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- The same is true of all your 2018 numbers. I am rolliong them all back. Do not restore them without includng the correct reference. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- Good, now that you've fixed the reference for the Irvington article, please do the same for the thousands of other article where you added 2018 figures with ther wrong references. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:17, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
- I hope you're planning on fixing all the edits you made with the wrong reference, and not just the ones I deleted. You are responsible for them. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:03, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Noticeboard thread about your edits
There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding some alleged broken links that you have used as citations. The thread is User:TylerKutschbach - Mass rollback needed. Your participation in that discussion would be appreciated. ST47 (talk) 05:43, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Using specific references for census estimate data
In this edit, after issues raised by other editors, you used a source that provides a specific number for the municipality in question. Yet in this edit, you return to the status quo ante of adding a generic source that points to data sets across the nation. Why not use more specific -- either city level or state level -- for each article, rather than merely pointing to a page that has no direct access to the data? The concerns raised by other editors regarding the source backing up the specific census estimate is legitimate.
This page from the Census Bureau has tables for each state that shows the exact data for each municipality. Why not use these in your sources? Alansohn (talk) 17:35, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Morgan County, Ohio
At Morgan County, Ohio, you reverted my edit and added that Morgan County "is a stronghold Republican county". What is a "stronghold"? What is your source to support that this county is a "stronghold"?
You also wrote "Democrats have only won the county two times total in presidential elections, all in years where the party won nationally by a landslide". What's a "landslide"? What is your source to support this?
When you revert another editor, please leave an edit summary to explain why. Also, please do not add unsourced editorials. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:58, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Edit warring on behalf of your IP edits
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Provide current sourcing for population update
In the Austin, Texas article, you updated the population estimate without changing the old citation for that estimate. I have fixed that, but please remember to update cited sources when you make changes to things like population estimates. - Donald Albury 02:46, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Richmond, Virginia estimated population update
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Sourcing
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December 2019
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February 2020
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Census Request
Please update the census in Topeka, Kansas, like you are doing other communities. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 14:17, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
- Did you see this request? • Sbmeirow • Talk • 22:50, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Ways to improve 1916 United States presidential election in Alabama
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Ways to improve 1924 United States presidential election in Kentucky
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Ways to improve 1924 United States presidential election in Delaware
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1924 United States presidential election in North Carolina
Hi, thanks for this article! Unfortunately I can't mark it as reviewed because it doesn't cite any sources. Can you add some?
Also, a problem with U.S. presidential election articles is that many links have been set up (e.g. in the main 1924 United States presidential election article) on the assumption that articles would be created in the format "United States presidential election in North Carolina, 1924" not "1924 United States presidential election in North Carolina"-there was a decision to change the naming format a few years back. So when you create one of these articles it's a good plan to set up a redirect for links that have already been set up to the old-format name. Hope that makes sense! Blythwood (talk) 02:14, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
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Your reverting at Columbus, Ohio
I hope you know edit wars are not allowed or respected on Misplaced Pages? I've been overhauling this article, and included the earliest population count, from when the city was first settled. I stated this in my edit summaries twice, and you clearly didn't even read it, nonetheless respond. Please respect the wishes of the primary article editors, and understand that when people disagree with you, constant reverting isn't going to help, and is just going to land you banned from the site. It's why we have talk pages, please use them. ɱ (talk) 01:26, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- With no response, and it's clear you're editing further, somehow ignoring this? I am opening up a discussion into your behavior here. ɱ (talk) 02:34, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that I keep reverting.TylerKutschbach
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Use of generic census landing page
As in this edit for Jersey City, New Jersey, why do you provide a link to a generic landing page here, rather than point to specific sources for the specified state (and for the city, where populationis greater than 5,000)? You have access to the sources, why not make it infinitely easier for a reader to actually find the source, rather than have to poke around on the Census Bureau's landing page? Alansohn (talk) 03:10, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Signing post
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Population density
Hi Tyler - First of all, huge thank you for taking on the task of updating the US city articles to their 2019 estimated populations. I wanted to give you a heads-up about the population density figure in the cities' infoboxes. Right now, your script updates the comment next to the figure from "2018 est." to "2019 est.", but the density is not actually getting updated. Would you consider either calculating the new density or having the script keep the comment that the figure is from the 2018 estimate? I recommend just keeping the 2018 comment unless you would like to calculate the densities by hand. There is an "auto" function for pop density, but unfortunately it incorrectly calculates based on total area rather than land area. --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Citations (again)
Please include |publisher=United States Census Bureau in your estimate citation. Or better yet, just use the following simple template:
<ref name="Census-Estimate">{{cite web |date=May 2020 |title=Annual Estimates of the Resident Population for Incorporated Places in Washington: April 1, 2010 to July 1, 2019 |url=https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2010s-total-cities-and-towns.html |publisher=United States Census Bureau |accessdate=}}</ref>
Incomplete citations are not conducive for verifiability. SounderBruce 06:58, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Where I got presidential map results
I got the results by county off of Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections. The site is here: https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/. The actual maps I created by using templates from this user. I used the online SVG editor Vectr to recolor the counties based on vote margins using the standard colors for those margins already in use on Misplaced Pages (I use a map of the 2016 presidential election in Mississippi for this task as it has the largest distribution of colors). WhittleMario (talk) 15:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Presidential election result tables
Please stop reverting my edits to such tables, as you did with Cook County, Illinois. The new templates have consensus as seen here and here, and are better in that they are sortable. If you disagree with their implementation please create a discussion in the appropriate places but do not revert them without clear consensus in that direction. Thanks! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:24, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- There appears to be a dispute with this. How about we take this to Third Opinion or the dispute-resolution noticeboard? – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:32, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Third Opinion sounds fine. TylerKutschbach
- Cool, thanks, I have directed the third opinion here. FOR THE THIRD OPINION: The main diffs in this dispute are in the histories of Cook County, Illinois, with some ancillary disputes in La Paz County, Arizona and Carson City, Nevada, as well as the links above I have included. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:47, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Third opinion: Per policy, consensus decisions made at a Wikiproject such as those linked above do not create an encyclopedia-wide consensus which requires something to be done one way or another in articles throughout the encyclopedia. Consensus decisions made at WikiProjects have no more effect than an essay. See this from the Consensus policy:
"Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale. For instance, unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right, participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope. WikiProject advice pages, how-to and information pages, and template documentation pages have not formally been approved by the community through the policy and guideline proposal process, thus have no more status than an essay."
And also this from the WikiProject Council guide, which has been approved as a guideline:
"However, in a few cases, projects have wrongly used these pages as a means of asserting ownership over articles within their scope, such as insisting that all articles that interest the project must contain a criticism section or must not contain an infobox, or that a specific type of article can't be linked in navigation templates, and that other editors of the article get no say in this because of a "consensus" within the project. An advice page written by several participants of a project is a "local consensus" that is no more binding on editors than material written by any single individual editor. Any advice page that has not been formally approved by the community through the WP:PROPOSAL process has the actual status of an optional essay."
In light of those policies the consensuses reached at those Wikiprojects are merely nonbinding essays suggesting how members of those projects ought to consider go about formatting tables. How they are to actually be formated in any particular mainspace article must, however, be determined by consensus upon an article-by-article basis. If a standard applicable throughout Misplaced Pages is desired, the WP:PROPOSAL procedure should be used to form a formal policy or guideline with the proper location for that attempt to be at an existing policy or guideline page such as an appropriate location in the Manual of Style, not at a Wikiproject. As for these particular articles, consensus needs to be reached on their individual talk pages. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your feedback. I'll take this to the proposals Village Pump shortly; I don't think discussions on the individual articles are necessary or desirable, as this is about templates, not the pages on which they are transcluded. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:48, 10 July 2020 (UTC)