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	{{ping\|Kmzayeem}} Would you discuss that why you are so hell-bent on edit warring to insert misleading POV depicting Bengal Subah as the winner despite their clear defeat? Similarly your over-use of scroll (an unreliable source) didn't made sense since you are misrepresenting sources there too. But lets talk about your main POV. In which world your make-believe "winner" had "agreed to cede Orissa to the Marathas" or he "was constrained to patch up with them at their dictates"? ] (]) 08:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)		{{ping\|Kmzayeem}} Would you discuss that why you are so hell-bent on edit warring to insert misleading POV depicting Bengal Subah as the winner despite their clear defeat? Similarly your over-use of scroll (an unreliable source) didn't made sense since you are misrepresenting sources there too. But lets talk about your main POV. In which world your make-believe "winner" had "agreed to cede Orissa to the Marathas" or he "was constrained to patch up with them at their dictates"?  ] (]) 08:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
			:{{ping\|Srijanx22}} The sources state it as a military success of Bengal Subah, quotes were already provided from two books of Sen Gupta and Marshall, so the comments of "misleading" and "misrepresentation" are clearly groundless. In any case, my last changed it to "Success of Nawab of Bengal in repelling the invasions". Scroll.in wasn't used by me, rather it was cited by those who were trying to push the Maratha POV, be my guest if you want to remove it. Regarding the ceding of Orissa, the causes were already explained in the lead with citations, the Nawab was struggling with several other issues like threat from Awadh, the armed rebellion by Afghan soldiers in Bihar and governer of Orissa, Mir Habib, was already rejecting Nawab's authority. You still haven't explained what misrepresentations you found in other sourced contents that made you remove about 1000 bytes. Clearly you didn't even have a proper a look at the edit and reverted it impulsively. --''''']''''' <sup> ]</sup> 15:19, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

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Ali Vardi Khan and the Nawab of Bengal were subjected to the Mughal Emperor

Alivardi Khan took command of the musnad of Bengal, and managed to get his authority confirmed by the Mughal Emperor Muhammad Shah in the year 1740. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 468SM (talk • contribs) 11:30, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Maratha

The Marathas were clearly not an Empire, they deny being a Confederacy...therefore they should just be called Marathas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.182.56.188 (talk) 08:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

No they were an EMPIRE. Nabbedhigh (talk) 08:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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Himel Rahmon (talk) 14:45, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. NeilN 02:10, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Edit Warring

Stop deleting sourced material from the page, use talk page to discuss. Thanks. Shimlaites (talk) 15:10, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@User:Himel Rahmon Stop getting into an edit war and discuss on the talk page, you are removing sourced content, which is disruptive and amounts to vandalism. Shimlaites (talk) 15:20, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I've checked the links you have added. But those books don't support the contents you have added. It's you who is disrupting. Shimlaites — Preceding unsigned comment added by Himel Rahmon (talk • contribs) 15:27, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

They do support all the content added, point out which part is not backed by these reliable sources. Also you are adding Bengali language sources on an English language page, which is not relevant. Shimlaites (talk) 15:29, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@User:Himel Rahmon Stop reverting and deleting the sourced content from the page, till the discussion is on and a consensus is worked upon. You are getting into an edit war and non-constructive editing. Shimlaites (talk) 15:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC) Shimlaites Bengali language sources can be added and it's NOT against wikipedia policy. And I've repeatedly said that your contents aren't supported by your links or anything else. So stop engaging in war and find a valid source before reverting my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Himel Rahmon (talk • contribs) 15:38, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I have only added valid sources unlike you, the sources clearly says that the Nawab paid the chauth till the 1758, after which he came under British protection, he also paid 3.2 million outstanding chauth to the Marathas, again backed by sources. Now you give me your claims and sources backing them. Shimlaites (talk) 15:40, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@User:Himel Rahmon and kindly make yourself aware of Misplaced Pages rules on how to respond and blocking, you have already reverted multiple times, removing sourced data. Shimlaites (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@User:Himel Rahmon Stop with these blind reverts, your inexplicable reverting is evident of the fact that you have no argument or counter citation. Stop vandalizing the article. Shimlaites (talk) 16:08, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@User:Himel Rahmon Also kindly learn the difference between title and "part of". Shimlaites (talk) 16:10, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@User:Himel Rahmon NO engagement by you on the talk page no mention of the reason for deleting content and no source given to back your data. Shimlaites (talk) 16:26, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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@Kmzayeem: Would you discuss that why you are so hell-bent on edit warring to insert misleading POV depicting Bengal Subah as the winner despite their clear defeat? Similarly your over-use of scroll (an unreliable source) didn't made sense since you are misrepresenting sources there too. But lets talk about your main POV. In which world your make-believe "winner" had "agreed to cede Orissa to the Marathas" or he "was constrained to patch up with them at their dictates"? Srijanx22 (talk) 08:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

@Srijanx22: The sources state it as a military success of Bengal Subah, quotes were already provided from two books of Sen Gupta and Marshall, so the comments of "misleading" and "misrepresentation" are clearly groundless. In any case, my last edit changed it to "Success of Nawab of Bengal in repelling the invasions". Scroll.in wasn't used by me, rather it was cited by those who were trying to push the Maratha POV, be my guest if you want to remove it. Regarding the ceding of Orissa, the causes were already explained in the lead with citations, the Nawab was struggling with several other issues like threat from Awadh, the armed rebellion by Afghan soldiers in Bihar and governer of Orissa, Mir Habib, was already rejecting Nawab's authority. You still haven't explained what misrepresentations you found in other sourced contents that made you remove about 1000 bytes. Clearly you didn't even have a proper a look at the edit and reverted it impulsively. --Zayeem 15:19, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

https://books.google.ca/books?id=RAON5AW4yUEC&pg=PA14&dq=alivardi+khan+tribute+to+mughal+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cIqiVPacNtiKuASDkYDYCQ&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=alivardi%20khan%20occupied%20the%20masnad%20of%20Bengal%2C%20and%20managed%20to%20get%20his%20authority%20confirmed%20by%20the%20Mughal%20emperor&f=false

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	{{ping\|Kmzayeem}} Would you discuss that why you are so hell-bent on edit warring to insert misleading POV depicting Bengal Subah as the winner despite their clear defeat? Similarly your over-use of scroll (an unreliable source) didn't made sense since you are misrepresenting sources there too. But lets talk about your main POV. In which world your make-believe "winner" had "agreed to cede Orissa to the Marathas" or he "was constrained to patch up with them at their dictates"? ] (]) 08:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)		{{ping\|Kmzayeem}} Would you discuss that why you are so hell-bent on edit warring to insert misleading POV depicting Bengal Subah as the winner despite their clear defeat? Similarly your over-use of scroll (an unreliable source) didn't made sense since you are misrepresenting sources there too. But lets talk about your main POV. In which world your make-believe "winner" had "agreed to cede Orissa to the Marathas" or he "was constrained to patch up with them at their dictates"?  ] (]) 08:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
			:{{ping\|Srijanx22}} The sources state it as a military success of Bengal Subah, quotes were already provided from two books of Sen Gupta and Marshall, so the comments of "misleading" and "misrepresentation" are clearly groundless. In any case, my last changed it to "Success of Nawab of Bengal in repelling the invasions". Scroll.in wasn't used by me, rather it was cited by those who were trying to push the Maratha POV, be my guest if you want to remove it. Regarding the ceding of Orissa, the causes were already explained in the lead with citations, the Nawab was struggling with several other issues like threat from Awadh, the armed rebellion by Afghan soldiers in Bihar and governer of Orissa, Mir Habib, was already rejecting Nawab's authority. You still haven't explained what misrepresentations you found in other sourced contents that made you remove about 1000 bytes. Clearly you didn't even have a proper a look at the edit and reverted it impulsively. --''''']''''' <sup> ]</sup> 15:19, 15 August 2020 (UTC)