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David Duke is not a registered Republican. FotomanDave (talk) 11:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Dave FotomanDave (talk) 11:43, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

He was.Slatersteven (talk) 12:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

That information is sourced. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

'Failed' -> 'Unsuccessfully contested elections'_'Unsuccessfully_contested_elections'-2020-07-05T11:35:00.000Z">

I did not know what was meant by "failed" first time reading this article. I questioned: did he merely fail to participate in the party (as the subsequent sentence discusses, with his failure to "gain traction in the Democratic party"), or failed in elections? I had to scroll to the body of the article to figure out it was the latter. I clarified this as "unsuccessfully contesting elections", selecting phrasing that's inline with other political articles. This was reverted, questioning the grounds of this phrasing. Hopefully this explains. Thank you. JAYFAX (talk) 11:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)_'Unsuccessfully_contested_elections'"> _'Unsuccessfully_contested_elections'">

Your choice of words was "awkward" at best.Slatersteven (talk) 11:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay. I will not continue contributions to this article, as there is clearly some confusion. However, may I recommend someone update the WP:LEAD adequately summarises Duke's early electoral performance in some manner. Thank you. JAYFAX (talk) 11:50, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Expulsion from Italy - Edit request

I would like to propose the following edit.

from: "In 2013, an Italian court ruled in favor of expelling Duke from Italy. Duke, then 63, was living in mountain village Valle di Cadore in northern Italy".

to: "In 2013, an Italian court ruled in favor of expelling Duke from Italy. Duke, then 63, was living in mountain village Venas di Cadore in northern Italy.

I know this because I live in this town and I personally know the landlord who was renting the apartment to David. The reason why international articles report the town of Valle di Cadore is that the name of the municipality that comprises a few towns around here is Valle di Cadore. However the actual town where he used to live is Venas di Cadore. I can provide links to local newspaper articles that verify the fact if necessary, but they are mostly in italian.

Mt6432 (talk) 07:20, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

What you know is irrelevant (see wp:or), we only say what we see in wp:rs.Slatersteven (talk) 09:44, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

The Telegraph is not rs? Newspapers are not rs? I understand my knowledge is irrelevant. I put the links. Where did you get the info that he lived in Valle then? Cause he did not live in Valle. He was living in Venas. Mt6432 (talk) 08:54, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

References

1. https://www.nuovocadore.it/2013/12/08/ku-klux-klan-lex-leader-viveva-nascosto-a-venas-di-cadore/
2. https://corrierealpi.gelocal.it/belluno/cronaca/2013/12/06/news/mr-white-per-due-anni-residente-a-venas-1.8253790
3. https://www.lastampa.it/cronaca/2013/12/08/news/ku-klux-klan-il-giallo-dell-ex-leader-1.35944183
4. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10503965/Ex-Ku-Klux-Klan-leader-expelled-from-Italy-fights-travel-ban.html
5. https://www.lastampa.it/esteri/la-stampa-in-english/2013/12/10/news/from-kkk-to-an-italian-village-was-david-duke-plotting-a-comeback-1.35945021

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white supremacist --> white nationalist_white_nationalist-2020-10-03T15:31:00.000Z">

I just listened to David Duke's podcast https://davidduke.com/friday20091002/ and I think it is pretty clear he is a white nationalist not a white supremacist. Please listen starting at 33:41. Here are some quotes:

"Ironically, Don, you and I, are exactly the opposite of what would be called a supremacist: we are not trying to rule over other people, exploit other people."

"We don't define ourselves in any way as supremacists, and we would condemn supremacism if that is what means for people to exploit other people."

I would propose to change the first line of this article.

SlaterDeterminant (talk) 15:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)_white_nationalist"> _white_nationalist">

We're not taking his word over that of reliable sources.

White nationalism is just white supremacism pretending that it's local and doesn't affect non-white people who are already living in that nation.

Why were you listening to his podcast to begin with? Is it in any way related to you checking InfoWars before asking us to tone down our coverage on how moonbatshit that site is...? Ian.thomson (talk) 01:07, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

I am just going by Misplaced Pages's own white supremacy and white nationalism pages: https://en.wikipedia.org/White_supremacy and https://en.wikipedia.org/White_nationalism. "White supremacy or white supremacism is the belief that white people are superior to those of other races and thus should dominate them." is Misplaced Pages's own definition of "white supremacy". I have briefly looked into his past writings/statements, and I don't see any evidence that he believes the white race should dominate other races. David Duke is widely referred to as a both "white supremacist" and "white nationalist" in reliable sources (e.g. in https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/28/donald-trump-declines-to-disavow-david-duke/ he is referred to as a "white nationalist"). I was listening to his podcast in order to get direct information from the person. I feel rather strongly that the term "white supremacist" is not accurate for him, so unless you have some evidence that he satisfies what is written on the "white supremacist" Misplaced Pages page, I will unrevert the change or file for dispute resolution. SlaterDeterminant (talk) 01:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

You do not have consensus, and any attempt to push this further will be seen as disruptive. Other Misplaced Pages articles are not sources, per WP:CIRC. Duke's podcast is not reliable. Reliable sources about Duke say that he's a white supremacist. If you insist on wasting more time in defense of a neo-Nazi's public relations then WP:NONAZIS will apply. Grayfell (talk) 03:15, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Dispute opened here (sorry I added username Ian.thomson and not Grayfell by mistake, probably you can add yourself): https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#David_Duke. I am not using the other Misplaced Pages article as a source. It is an issue of consistency between the David Duke Misplaced Pages article and the White Supremacy Misplaced Pages article. I am not a racist. I am a person trying to ensure that Misplaced Pages's articles on racists are accurate. SlaterDeterminant (talk) 04:12, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

@SlaterDeterminant: From the White nationalism article: Analysts describe white nationalism as overlapping with white supremacism and white separatism. White nationalism is sometimes described as a euphemism for, or subset of, white supremacism and the two have been used interchangeably by journalists and analysts. There's a reason why Critics argue that the term "white nationalism" is simply a "rebranding" and ideas such as white pride exist solely to provide a sanitized public face for white supremacy, and that most white nationalist groups promote racial violence.

You are using the cherry picked selections from the white supremacist article and comparing with Duke's own words to counter one of the labels that even you admit is used by reliable sources. That is original research, which we don't use. And you're only doing that because you realized how bad it looked starting off explicitly saying that you were listening to his podcast as if that was a completely normal thing to do. If you were really concerned about this article and the white supremacism article not lining up, you would have started there but no, you started off with admitting that you listen to Duke's podcasts. And this is after you previously made it clear that you browse InfoWars, which overall suggests that maybe you need to be editing a different topic. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

This "critics argue" sentence is apparently not the prevailing view, and I think we should ignore it for the purpose of this discussion. It is a separate discussion whether the distinction between "white supremacy" and "white nationalism" is important. There are currently two Misplaced Pages articles for "white supremacy" and "white nationalism" and so we should make other articles like this one link to the one of the two that is more appropriate. I am open to being corrected about whether David Duke is a white nationalist or a white supremacist, but I just do not see any evidence that he satisfies what is written in the white supremacy Misplaced Pages page. I would not call it "original research" to go to a person's website to get information about their beliefs. And there is nothing wrong with listening to someone's podcast, this obviously does not imply endorsement or agreement with them, and I am not going to apologize for doing it. The edit to Infowars is not related to this edit and I don't understand why you are referring to it. In general, I am interested in improving the accuracy of some of the articles related to right-wing groups and figures, but there is no specific connection between the Infowars edit and this edit. Just for your information, I belong to one of the racial groups that David Duke is not a fan of. SlaterDeterminant (talk) 06:00, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

In almost all cases "critics" of white supremacy are, inherently, more reliable than "non-critics". Your interpretation of Misplaced Pages's articles does qualify as WP:OR. David Duke, a white supremacist podcaster with a flaky sham PhD, is not a reliable source. Misplaced Pages is not a platform for promotion or advertising, so we do not favor unreliable primary sources over reliable, independent ones. Grayfell (talk) 06:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Critics of white nationalism should include pretty much anyone who isn't one of their allies.

The reason I bring up the InfoWars edit is because your recent activity has been nothing but super suspicious. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:29, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

If you do not like the reference to David Duke's website (although there are other references to it in the article), the same thing is stated here in a reliable source: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/228418-ex-kkk-leader-threatens-to-blast-lawmakers. David Duke has stated clearly that he rejects "white supremacism". I think that is beyond dispute. It is also beyond dispute that there are reliable sources that refer to him as a "white supremacist". So, then it becomes an issue of what does "white supremacism" mean and is it consistent with David Duke beliefs. There is a separate article on Misplaced Pages on "white supremacism", and so just going by that article, I don't think it is consistent with David Duke's beliefs in either his website or reliable sources, but as I said I have not extensively looked at his history, so I am open to being corrected.

I take issue with the idea it should be immediately considered suspicious whenever anyone modifies a Misplaced Pages article about a far-right figure or group in a way that makes them seem less far-right. That does not seem consistent with the "assume good faith" principle: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlaterDeterminant (talk • contribs) 14:39, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

"White people don't need a law against rape, but if you fill this room up with your normal black bucks, you would, because n.... are basically primitive animals" read to me like whites are higher up the evolutionary scale.Slatersteven (talk) 15:01, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Wow, that is a really messed up quote. But I still don't think it satisfies what is described on the Misplaced Pages "white supremacy" page i.e. that white people should dominate other races, and I still think the plethera of much more recent quotes in which he disavows "white supremacy" need to be considered. But in light of this, I would propose "white supremacist" be replaced by "racist, white nationalist". SlaterDeterminant (talk) 18:33, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Yet gain, your personal interpretation of the article white supremacy is WP:OR. It doesn't matter if you think this satisfies that definition or not. Reliable sources have documented Duke's white supremacist statements, publications, and associations. White supremacists like Duke or Jared Taylor love to play word-games to imply that their position is somehow reasonable. "White supremacy" has too much baggage, so they occasionally push back on this term, even though they used to embrace it. This PR move also aligns with their conspiratorial world-view. They imply that some nefarious minority is misrepresenting them. They can pretend they are brave enough to speak the truth, when in actuality they are playing the victim card and dodging accountability. Most people, including white people, reject Duke's brand of white supremacy based on substance, not word-games. Further, all of this is based on scientific racism, at best. Misplaced Pages is not a platform for public relations, so there is no obligation for us to play stupid to this nonsense. Grayfell (talk) 21:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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