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Suspected sockpuppeteer

BryanFromPalatine (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

ClemsonTiger (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
209.221.240.193 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) (added by) FAAFA
JohnnyCochran (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (added by User:BenBurch as that user admits to being a sock in this thread.)

Report submission by

BenBurch 20:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Evidence

User first appeared during the first sockpuppeting block of BryanFromPalatine. (He is on a second two week block now for more sockpuppeting (and note there has already been one sock banned DURING this block.) Note that user claims to be a Clemson Graduate and an Intellectual Property Lawyer. Bryan's sock puppets at varying times claimed to be from Clemson, and to be IP Lawyers. Now this user has appeared on the Free Republic article to defend BryanFromPalatine. What are the odds? --BenBurch 20:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

More evidence

209.221.240.193 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is a sockpuppet of checkuser-confirmed (multiple violations) puppeteer BryanFromPalatine. Bryan admitted to this IP puppet after it was shown that this IP replied ( IP 209/Bryan's edit ) to sock puppet charges against another puppet of Bryan, banned user ArlingtonTX (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). This IP signed the edit as BryanFromPalatine. This new suspected puppet, ClemsonTiger, has edited Robert Bosch, and Free Republic and claims to be a Clemson grad, an intellectual properties lawyer and a 'liberal'. Note that confirmed and banned puppet of BryanFromPalatine DP1976 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) also claimed to be an Intellectual Properties lawyer and a liberal, and edited Free Republic, Bosch, and Clemson. New suspected puppet ClemsonTiger almost certainly a 'clone' of 'ficitious persona' DP1976, one member of a whole 'army' of BryanFromPalatine's puppets.

More

ArlingtonTX, confirmed puppet of Bryan, wrote (regarding other fictitious personas in his sock puppet army) "BryanFromPalatine is part of our "tribe." So is DP1976. So is 12ptHelvetica. DP1976, for example, is a flaming left-wing partisan. DP1976 edited for 1-1/2 years on yet a third different broad range of topics such as Clemson University. " sock army discussion

Checkuser conclusions on DP1976, confirmed puppet of Bryan : HERE

Submitted by

Fairness And Accuracy For All 21:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

MORE CONCLUSIVE PROOF

On his FIRST DAY of editing, Jan 02, 2007, ClemsonTiger (BryanFromPalatine) BLANKED the page where an admin had posted the sockpuppet confirmation of one of Bryan's sockuppets - on the user page of 209.221.240.193 an Admin checkuser-confirmed puppet account of puppeteer Bryan. Bryan/ClemsonTiger Blanks Page - Fairness And Accuracy For All 23:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

AND The talk page for that IP address now proclaims that it is indeed ClemsonTiger, and checkuser confirmed this IP is BryanFromPalatine. Can we please have a permanent sanction against this person who continually evades blocks by sockpuppeting? BenBurch 00:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments

I'm a member in good standing at Misplaced Pages. I've created this sock puppet account solely for the purpose of illustrating how ridiculous these two are becoming, and insulating myself from any of their stalking and retaliation. I've been watching these two with varying degrees of amusement and disgust for a long time. This has got to be stopped.

Bryan's sock puppets at varying times claimed to be from Clemson, and to be IP Lawyers. I presume that you can prove this with a link.

Now this user has appeared on the Free Republic article to defend BryanFromPalatine. He didn't edit or otherwise "appear on" the Free Republic article. He appeared on the Free Republic talk page to post a couple of snarky but not particularly offensive remarks directed at you. Rather mild remarks, in fact. It was at a time when you were kicking BryanFromPalatine when he was down.

DP1976 ... also claimed to be an Intellectual Properties lawyer I presume that you can prove this with a link.

ArlingtonTX, confirmed puppet of Bryan I presume that you can prove this with a link.

ClemsonTiger BLANKED the page where an admin had posted the sockpuppet confirmation of one of Bryan's sockuppets ... So what?

The talk page for that IP address now proclaims that it is indeed ClemsonTiger It proclaims no such thing, it has a picture of a tiger. Has it occurred to you that whomever this is might just be messing with people who are inclined to be amateur Sherlock Holmes? People like you, for example?

Reposting

On his FIRST DAY of editing, Jan 02, 2007, ClemsonTiger (BryanFromPalatine) BLANKED the page where an admin had posted the sockpuppet confirmation of one of Bryan's sockuppets - on the user page of 209.221.240.193 an Admin checkuser-confirmed puppet account of puppeteer Bryan. Bryan/ClemsonTiger Blanks Page

Now let's look at the evil ClemsonTiger.

This is not a single purpose account. He has 160 edits, and only two were on the Free Republic talk page. If he has a single purpose, it's baseball statistics. ClemsonTiger has a well-established record of constructive edits. That doesn't look like a sock puppet.

This account was not created minutes before the snarky remarks were posted. That also doesn't look like a sock puppet.

This account has reverted obvious vandalism.

Not just once, but twice.

Not just twice, but three times.

On all three occasions, this account posted a warning to the offenders.

He also reported the vandalism to administrators, resulting in an indefinite block of one of the vandals.

ClemsonTiger has been a good citizen of Misplaced Pages. In stark contrast, BenBurch and F.A.A.F.A. have a history of edit wars, 3RR violations, and personal attacks in pursuit of their POV pushing. Both of them have already been blocked for this misconduct at least once; F.A.A.F.A., in his previous guise as NBGPWS (which stands for "Neocons Be Gone, Protest Warrior Sucks") was banned for a month.

Misplaced Pages administrators should compare their respective edit histories and block logs, and determine who they'd rather have hanging around. The defense rests.

JohnnyCochran 02:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

So, you advocate breaking Misplaced Pages rules to make a WP:POINT? Nice. I think we have already established that this fellow is using the same IP address as a blocked BryanFromPalatine sockpuppet as determined by checkuser. I don't think more needs to be said do you? Now, yes, I can show you where they claimed to be IP lawyers and to be from Clemson;

both from Talk:Free_Republic/Archive5

Finally, I doubt you are anybody other than the sockpuppeteer in question here. Pardon my lack of AGF, but you yourself admit to breaking two rules. BenBurch 03:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and, you say "The talk page for that IP address now proclaims that it is indeed ClemsonTiger It proclaims no such thing, it has a picture of a tiger. Has it occurred to you that whomever this is might just be messing with people who are inclined to be amateur Sherlock Holmes? People like you, for example?" Have you looked at the page history? Bryan obviously thought better of outing himself as he then removed it, but HERE is the revision where he edits the page and proclaims it is his address. BenBurch 03:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Notice: He also admits again to that IP on Jan 02 "I'm an alumnus of Clemson University, and I've already edited that page many times (using the IP address 209.221.240.193 ) before registering here." LINK HERE - Fairness And Accuracy For All 06:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Point of information: As an actual alumni of Clemson University (1994), I checked the most recent alumni directory that I have (Clemson University Alumni Directory 2003. (2003). Purchase, NY: Bernard C. Harris Publishing Company, Inc. pp. 1192-4), I found six people from Illinois who worked in the legal profession, none from Palatine, Illinois and none who were 1966 graduates as shown (The closest to 1966 was a 1969 graduate from Chicago.). Five of the six were in Chicago while the other one was from Belleville.). Chris 14:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - Now this is purely speculative, but how likely is it that that a 1966 college grad would be reading and editing the page Comparison_of_seventh-generation_game_consoles ? - Fairness And Accuracy For All 15:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm using a computer terminal in our law library. We have roughly 100 attorneys and staff members, including at least three Clemson alumni, with access to this computer. (It's sometimes called "networking." Clemson alumni often contact other Clemson alumni, using the Alumni Directory, when they're looking for a job. Nothing sinister about it at all.) Some live in Illinois, some in northwest Indiana. All of these, as well as various interns and visitors (such as attorneys at retained law firms, and even our opposing counsel, as an occasional professional courtesy) have had access to this computer. Perhaps one of our college interns edited the "comparison of seventh generation game consoles" article. I'll also add that the Alumni Directory is not an exhaustive resource; there are many Clemson alumni who do not appear in the directory. Some just don't want to be dunned for donations to our alma mater. I'm uncomfortable with disclosing any more information than that; but I feel it should be sufficient, in light of my contribution history since registering at Misplaced Pages, and the non-abusive nature of all of my edits here, to put this inquiry to rest. - ClemsonTiger 17:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

So, Mr Lawyer, let me give a summation; First you (in the guise of DP1978) claim all of the contributions of this IP address, and talk of your edits from Clemson. Next you are proven to be the same person as BryanFromPalatine, also at this IP address, and to have edited contributions which you signed using that other persona, also from this IP address. Next, ArlingtonTX, another persona of yours invents the fact that you are a an Intellectual Law lawyer and laments your departure from Misplaced Pages as DP1978. Then you register this account, and claim to be from Clemson even though there is NOBODY in the Chicago area who graduated in the year you claim and is working as a lawyer, and you cannot remember a classmate when quizzed about it on your talk page. Next you claim in the user page for this IP address that it is you HOME IP ADDRESS. Next you speedily remove that boast so that you won't get caught. Next you show up in the talk page of an article you have never edited just to defend BryanFromPalatine. Next you claim that this IP address ISN'T yours and you are using a computer in a Library (because you financially bereft lawyers cannot have your own computers?) and that the contributions (and vandalism) associated with this IP address are NOT yours. Next yet another sock puppet shows up in this page to defend YOU. --- Yep, you are right. This makes perfect logical sense. Assuming, of course, that I just fell down a rabbit hole. --BenBurch 18:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

In the practice of law, one of the telltale signs of a losing argument is a refusal to address the strongest point of the opponent's argument. What do you have to say about this? Anything at all? - ClemsonTiger 19:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Clearly busy work to give you a colorable legitimacy. Anybody learns from mistakes, and the best way to make a sock seem real is to put in a tiny amount of work editing other things for a week or so. You are not fooling anybody, Bryan, and what you are doing disgusts me. --BenBurch 19:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It will be interesting to see what the admins do about your accusations, in light of the inoffensive and non-abusive nature of all of my posts, and the Misplaced Pages recognition that calling someone a "sock puppet" or "meat puppet" is a personal attack. What did I say to you that triggered this vendetta of yours? What was so abusive and "disgusting" about it, Ben? - ClemsonTiger 19:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice try, but that is what this process here is all about; Calling somebody a sock or meat puppet. And you are a sock puppet. You were already ruled to be a sock puppet by checkuser, in fact. I had thought that there was a small chance that you might just be acting in collusion (a meat puppet) but your recent edits to the FR talk page dispelled that. You started right up where Bryan left off on the Liberal Moles gig. You have the lamest excuses for why all your socks use the same computers too; In a Library; In the company Internet; In the same cube taking turns. Disgusting. --BenBurch 19:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

MORE : Bryan/Clemson/DP1976/Arlington/Johnny/et al : Wrote "I'm using a computer terminal in our law library. We have roughly 100 attorneys and staff members, including at least three Clemson alumni, with access to this computer." The problem with that 'tall tale' is that 209.221.240.193 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) belongs to a major German based auto parts supplier - the one DP1976 and two other BFP socks previously claimed they worked for - where DP1976 claimed that they all edited Misplaced Pages as some sort of 'tag team'. Now they're all lawyers working for the law firm. What's next -- rocket scientists posting from NASA? Brain surgeons posting from Johns Hopkins? - Fairness And Accuracy For All 21:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Conjoined twins? --BenBurch 21:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Conclusions