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	:Well, {{u\|Ealdgyth}}, I have to say that it made me smile a little to see one of our absolutely best editors called "bad" for making a good edit. The derivation of the word is surely not as clear-cut or as simple as {{u\|Kazvorpal\|the edit-warring editor}} seems to believe, but perhaps not as straightforward as our article suggests either. Specifically, the (the dictionary of reference for the kind of English I speak) gives it as "... ''Opelousa'', place-name in Louisiana, or ... ''Palouse River'', Idaho, U.S.A.". I don't know what Webster dictionary is online (it looks pretty infantile), but it gives "origin unknown"; my small ''Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary'' gives "... probably from ''Palouse''". We should also probably mention that the word dates from no earlier than 1920. ] (]) 19:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)		:Well, {{u\|Ealdgyth}}, I have to say that it made me smile a little to see one of our absolutely best editors called "bad" for making a good edit. The derivation of the word is surely not as clear-cut or as simple as {{u\|Kazvorpal\|the edit-warring editor}} seems to believe, but perhaps not as straightforward as our article suggests either. Specifically, the (the dictionary of reference for the kind of English I speak) gives it as "... ''Opelousa'', place-name in Louisiana, or ... ''Palouse River'', Idaho, U.S.A.". I don't know what Webster dictionary is online (it looks pretty infantile), but it gives "origin unknown"; my small ''Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary'' gives "... probably from ''Palouse''". We should also probably mention that the word dates from no earlier than 1920. ] (]) 19:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
	:: If you think that it's good editing to commit wholesale removal of valid, mainstream content simply because one doesn't like the entirely reasonable source citation, instead of adding some tag for improvement, then you're no judge of who is a good editor. This is a bad habit that originates with Wikilawyering to censor content that an editor doesn't like even though it's true. The actual standard for Misplaced Pages is not wholesale removal unless content is clearly false or irrelevant. As noted above, there's nothing in the etymology I added that's even new to the article, it's just a properly-headlined etymology section to make finding it easier. That relative newbies have normalized wikilawyering is one of the worst things ever to happen to Misplaced Pages. — ] (]) 19:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)		:: If you think that it's good editing to commit wholesale removal of valid, mainstream content simply because one doesn't like the entirely reasonable source citation, instead of adding some tag for improvement, then you're no judge of who is a good editor. This is a bad habit that originates with Wikilawyering to censor content that an editor doesn't like even though it's true. The actual standard for Misplaced Pages is not wholesale removal unless content is clearly false or irrelevant. As noted above, there's nothing in the etymology I added that's even new to the article, it's just a properly-headlined etymology section to make finding it easier. That relative newbies have normalized wikilawyering is one of the worst things ever to happen to Misplaced Pages. — ] (]) 19:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
	:::The origins of the word Appaloosa being derived from the Palouse people and geographic area is undisputed, except apparently by whatever fool thinks Louisiana is anywhere close to the Idaho/Washington region. Occasionally, I have seen other theories put out there for other words with origins in the western United States. But this one is... pure nonsense. I would be quite curious where the OED sourced their information. ]<sup>]</sup> 04:10, 8 February 2021 (UTC)		:::The origins of the word Appaloosa being derived from the Palouse people and geographic area is undisputed, except apparently by whatever fool thinks Louisiana or any part of Choctaw country is anywhere close to the Idaho/Washington region. Occasionally, I have seen other theories put out there for other words with origins in the western United States. But this one is... pure nonsense. I would be quite curious where the OED sourced their information. I do wonder if it’s worth looking into the word “Palouse,” in terms of whether it was the people’s own name for themselves, or if, like the Sioux/Lakota issue, the popular name was actually derived from some other source entirely. ]<sup>]</sup> 04:10, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

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It's really bad form to call someone a "bad editor". This is a featured article - it should use high quality sources - not just "sufficiently reliable". Per this "about me" page from OED, it doesn't appear that the guy is a recognized expert in the etomological field - so he probably doesn't even meet the WP:RS requirement. The origins of the word are actually in the history section with much better sources already - so please gain consensus that the addition meets the high quality requirement for a featured article. Ealdgyth (talk) 17:06, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, Ealdgyth, I have to say that it made me smile a little to see one of our absolutely best editors called "bad" for making a good edit. The derivation of the word is surely not as clear-cut or as simple as the edit-warring editor seems to believe, but perhaps not as straightforward as our article suggests either. Specifically, the OED (the dictionary of reference for the kind of English I speak) gives it as "... Opelousa, place-name in Louisiana, or ... Palouse River, Idaho, U.S.A.". I don't know what Webster dictionary is online here (it looks pretty infantile), but it gives "origin unknown"; my small Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary gives "... probably from Palouse". We should also probably mention that the word dates from no earlier than 1920. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

If you think that it's good editing to commit wholesale removal of valid, mainstream content simply because one doesn't like the entirely reasonable source citation, instead of adding some tag for improvement, then you're no judge of who is a good editor. This is a bad habit that originates with Wikilawyering to censor content that an editor doesn't like even though it's true. The actual standard for Misplaced Pages is not wholesale removal unless content is clearly false or irrelevant. As noted above, there's nothing in the etymology I added that's even new to the article, it's just a properly-headlined etymology section to make finding it easier. That relative newbies have normalized wikilawyering is one of the worst things ever to happen to Misplaced Pages. — Kaz (talk) 19:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

The origins of the word Appaloosa being derived from the Palouse people and geographic area is undisputed, except apparently by whatever fool thinks Louisiana or any part of Choctaw country is anywhere close to the Idaho/Washington region. Occasionally, I have seen other theories put out there for other words with origins in the western United States. But this one is... pure nonsense. I would be quite curious where the OED sourced their information. I do wonder if it’s worth looking into the word “Palouse,” in terms of whether it was the people’s own name for themselves, or if, like the Sioux/Lakota issue, the popular name was actually derived from some other source entirely. Montanabw 04:10, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

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