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Please don't tell me what to do - the argument I made for the deletion is clear on the page. Let there be a discussion about the matter before leaving messages to users who are trying to make the page the best it can be.

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Excuse YOU is right!

I don't care who you are. My deletion of those sections WAS absolutely brought up on the discussion board. YOU cleary chose to avoid the discussion. Furthermore, most of the claims made in that section were NOT sourced or cited - so perhaps you should take a look at them instead of badgering users like myself. Please do not respond on my wall anymore - I really don't think its appropriate given your attitude. (Flexpedition 14:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC))

about the notability requirement

A topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works with sources independent of the subject itself and each other

The company or corporation has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the company or corporation itself.

* This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations

I think I am confused on your objective view what notability means. From I could find there are more trivial articals with significantly less relevance to society and yet still gathers a spot in Wiki. Let me ask you, why are there artical with no publication in the Bibiliograph and yet still considered notable while Q's has filled colums after colums in Mid Missouri and yet still considered unnotable? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Master q (talk • contribs) 21:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

deleted items

I deleted Liquid Ghoul's talk comment because I found it very offensive and I thought you had a rule here on Misplaced Pages-no personal attacks. I will delete any other offensive materials I find. Just thought you might wanna know. BrandiniTheGreat 23:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC) Sorry. Could you tell me how to move my article to wiki how? Thanks. BrandiniTheGreat 00:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Persistent vandal issue

On December 26, you reverted this conspiracy theory from Timothy McVeigh. Since then, Oklahoma City bombing has repeatedly had its wikilink to Timothy McVeigh changed to a hard link to the vandalized version of the article, and it is always done with a misleading edit summary. A variety of IP addresses are being used to make the exact same edits: 85.179.3.214 (talk · contribs), 72.36.239.30 (talk · contribs), and especially 81.233.185.213 (talk · contribs). Is there anything I can do other than leave vandalism warnings and request blocks once each address hits the magic threshold? I currently have 81.233.185.213 up to a {{test4}} warning. --Kralizec! (talk) 06:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Sookum1 legal meanderings

FYI: . Cheers, and Happy New Year. Ben Aveling 10:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Zoe Tay

Hi Zoe - on 11 December 2006, the Zoe Tay page was semi-protected by Sarah Ewart after the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive153#Zoe_Tay. Today (1 Jan 2007), however, a sockpuppet by the name of Wenfangfan has come in to remove the three tags attached to it - the sprotected tag, the unreferenced tag and the inappropriate tone tag. Ryulong reverted to the original version. Wenfangfan came in to revert the article back to his/her preferred version, and added an image that was uploaded by banned user Walaha2006, confirming suspicions of sockpuppetry. I have reported this to Misplaced Pages:Administrator Intervention but hope that you would deem an indefinite ban fit for Wenfangfan. I feel that if sockpuppets are allowed to come in repeatedly and revert all edits to their preferred version, it makes a mockery out of Misplaced Pages. OngBS 16:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Spero Dedes

Hi Zoe - you removed the facts about Spero Dedes from his Misplaced Pages article, under rm attack. As noted, it's not an attack when the facts of the situation are presented - he didn't do his research and broadcasted misleading and simply wrong facts about Rutgers University.

Spam

I did not spam, I was simply leaving a message. cAN YOU EXPLAIN SPAM TO ME BECAUSE i DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND. --SHAERICELL!!!!! (is slightly crazy) Talker to! 20:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

hey a......., you remove what I wrote, I will put it on again, and for your health, leave it be if you know more about frozen seafood than us, fine but you do not I put this up, one to have a wiki link on this home page and to offer the consumer or anyone some correct information

you do NOT want visitors, take it as a promise, NOT a threat do not f... with my stuff SenorPescado

Spero Dedes

Zoe - great. Let me just reference that, and you can stop reverting the edits. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MattyFridays (talk • contribs) 21:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

Zoe - I re-edited, and added a sourcing to NJ.com, which is a blog maintained by a writer for the Star Ledger, the biggest New Jersey newspaper. THanks. MattyFridays 22:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Try the second link added. From the Star Ledger, again. Search for "South Jersey" in the second link, under "Random Thoughts". It's sourced TWICE now. MattyFridays 22:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. BTW, there's some jerk that is actually attacking Spero now, looking through the reverts. Just sayin'. MattyFridays 22:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

thank you

Thank you for unblocking me. But please see my further reply concerning the debate which precipitated everything on my talk page.Skookum1 22:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Further query on my talk page.Skookum1 23:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't log out

Check my IP. I didn't log out and haven't been edit warring. Instead I left a protest on the Talk Page, as I was instructed to do. Thank you for your kind consideration. WerewolfSatanist 23:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record, this is WerewolfSatanist logged out. 4.88.23.204 23:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it is notable that in the conversation, Aren hadn't sought consensus himself and deleted the LaVeyan Satanism article that there had been, which had included a criticism section (which as far as I could tell had no objections). Of course I could be in the wrong here, but I don't see what this person did as exactly condoned by everybody. WerewolfSatanist 23:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

nonsense

Incomplete articles count as nonsense.

According to you. they made absolutely no sense to me. Hence the tag of "Non-sense". Dropal 23:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

You win

I wave the white flag. Dropal 00:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For winning the argument with cold, unforgiving truth. Dropal 00:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

you are welcome.

You're welcome

see above Dropal 00:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Unwarrented block

You blocked User talk:216.129.135.4 for vandalizing a page that he was actually ALLOWED to vandalize. To quote from User:Hunt_4_Orange_November/draft2 "Note: This page is for editing or practicing HTML (or vandilisum if your wanting to let off some steam). This is not a real page and is a modification of Food . If there is any problem with this, see my talk page." Now I agree the user has been less helpful before, but this might not be a proper procedure. I suggest to undo the block and keep a close eye on him for his next violation of true policies :D TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 21:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

oops!

ha ha, sorry about that. keep up teh good work and happy new year! best, tom 21:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Cheers

Thanks for your help in moving my page. Much appreciated •CHILLDOUBT• 22:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

removing the school motto translation

Is a translation necessary?

translation

does every latin motto have a translation?

This whole FSU page needs work. For instance, there is a summary list of departments, and then the WRONG departments underneath. Can I correct these glaring errors or not? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mike850 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

Re: Worm Ouroboros entries. Thanks! Its one of my favorite books also. I first read it 30 years ago and I keep coming back to it. As to page numbers, well the edition online at Sacred-Texts includes page numbers so... I'm pretty much using that. Still, too much work to put in editions for me. Cglassey 22:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Itche Goldberg Page

Although I can not prove this, I can almost guarantee you that Mr. Berger did not base his post on the wikipedia article; he mostly likely based it on a post to the "mendele" yiddish e-mail list. If you would like, I will send you the e-mail; however, I would need your e-mail address first.

Please stop deleting articles because they don't meet your person tastes. You obviously know very little about Hip Hop. Soul Control is very reputable dance crew. Among many contributions to the Hip Hop dance scene, they have popularized the now common "Air Flare". In fact, the term itself was coined by this crew. You probably don't know what an "Air Flare" is, basically, its like a gymnastic flare "Thomas Flare" except the entire front half of the flare is skipped over.

You'll see the move in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cFB4Lzafdk

Soul Control includes many famous dancers. Kujo (Jacob Lyons), who at one time trained Cirque du Soleil in Canada, has pushed the push the envelope on Breakdancing/Bboy.

Granted, the article was a short stub, I am working on a detailed article.

Socrates/Plato argued that the right-action requires knowledge. For good intension can have bad consequence when we act without knowing. You are just trying to keep Misplaced Pages a source of good knowledge but you judgment should yield to knowing the difference between rubbish, something you know for sure is spam, and a stub or obscure entry.

Sincerely, Babak.

http://yiddish.forward.com/pages/radio/- about 22 minutes in there is an interview with Khaver Itche's longtime assistant- of course you have to understand yiddish. Like I said, I would also contact Mendele e-mail list. In addition, try the league for Yiddish (leagueforyiddish.org); if you email the director, she should back up the date of death.

Es kukt oys gut un gerekht- It looks great and correct (as far as I know)!--Engelmann15 01:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Wheel war

I see what you mean about the Wheel war :p FCYTravis reduced your ban of 65.0.104.154 to 24 hours. This anon user is back to vandalizing the artice with a new IP, as documented at ] . He did this during his ban. I've left a note on FCYTravis' talk page as well. Could you have a look at this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nardman1 (talk • contribs)

thanks a lot for telling me about the e-mail thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris gonzalez (talk • contribs)

How to delete things

Can somebody tell me how to delete an article you created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris gonzalez (talk • contribs)

Drop a {{db-author}} on it and an administrator (like Zoe or myself) will delete it. AnonEMouse 17:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

User talk page warnings

Hey there Zoe, I see we both warned Poorleno at the same time. Heh. Stepping on eachother's toes? :P Anywho, I just though you might appreciate WP:UTM. It has a whole bunch of templates so that we don't have to type in messages each time. {{tpv0}} or {{tpv1}} were probably the best options this case. Cheers! --Brad Beattie (talk) 22:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hilary Rhoda

Hi, with respect to supermodels.nl's profile- it was taken from img.com and is sourced, but furthermore, what if I ask supermodels.nl's approval to use the profile?

Hey

What's with the revert? --Far Beyond 23:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

SPAM #5

A deletion review in which you participated has been relisted: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Rafed.net (2nd nomination).
brenneman 02:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello Zoe-

I see that you deleted and protected "Freaks of Laughter". I would like to request that you unprotected it as a stub so that I and others can create a useful article on the subject.

You should know that I am in no way affiliated with the film or in any way vested in it other than that I have enjoyed it at a screening here in Washington DC and assisted the films producer in posting it on Google Video for viewing on the web (a requirement of one of the festivals that is considering the film).

After reading the possible reasons why it was deleted I understand some of the possible problems with the original entry and will use those guidelines in writing the new entry.

Thank you for your work on Misplaced Pages I find it very useful and I am sure that much of the credit should go to people such as yourself.

Andrew Goldman Andy@Circus.Org

Thanks again

Yet again thank you for your help. You are helping me make my wikis the best they can be.

Chris Gonzalez

why did u call me dmb?

Re: this edit of yours

Even though I disagree with Zoe, and agree with you, on the Afd in question, I have to say she was right in her note. She might have been a bit brusque, but that's partly because she has less time. She fights a lot more fires than I do, so I'll take the liberty of explaining in more detail for her; I hope she doesn't mind. Your post did not shed more light on the issue of whether the Jewdar article should be kept. It did, however, raise the general level of heat and acrimony in the debate, unnecessarily. It encouraged turning a discussion about the article into a personal argument, unnecessarily. It ridiculed another participant, unnecessarily. It made people new to the debat want to vote against the article just because someone supporting it was behaving rudely. Whatever short pithy link you label that with, whether WP:CIVIL, WP:TIGER, WP:AGF, WP:NPA, or even WP:DICK, let's just say in words it was just a bad idea all around. Please, take a deep breath, realize that this is just one article (out of how many million?), realize that no one, not Recury, and certainly not Zoe, is out to get you personally, realize that we are all volunteers, trying to give the world a 💕, which seems to be a very worthwhile and rather selfless endeavor, and we should be nice to each other. We are all fools in certain ways and especially on certain days of the week, so we had darn well better suffer each other gladly if we want to get anything done. -- AnonEMouse 15:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Mouse, you said it a lot better than I could have.  :) User:Zoe|(talk) 16:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Removal of username

Hi,

I saw your reply on the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents in regards to user going by the name user:ARYAN818. I strongly agree with you that the combination of the name is not coincidential. Furthermore, not only is his name offensive to some users, but his attitude of intolerance in regards to other people's cultures and ethnic background directly and indirectly shows. This user is taking advantage of the fact that the name Aryan is commonly used in Northern India and is making a fool out of a lot of us. This username is also disrespective to other users who may be of certain backgrounds who find this name offensive. I support you if you are planning on either removing the user, or getting the user to change his user name. Regards,

Wiki Raja 23:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

He will tell you that 818 stands for an area code, and that Aryan means "noble" in Northern India. Even if his name is accepted, his intolerant attitude will have to go. Wiki Raja 23:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it not possible to check his ISP, to see if it is indeed from California? Jeffpw 09:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello,

Here are some shocking articles I have found in regards to this topic. ] ] ] ]

Wiki Raja 19:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

It's amazing how some people can get away with offensive usernames at times. Similarly, there are those who get away with using a Nazi name and swastika for a restaurant in India. It is trully a shame, how some people will take advantage of the system under the guise of cultural heritage only to promote their culture and to undermine others.] ] ] Wiki Raja 02:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Removing content...

Altered it. Changed mind. Reversed it. Now explained it. Cheers RIANZ 00:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed they do RIANZ 00:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

what a joke... who are u and why did you delete that page on fortune?

If you're trying to escalate the problem between us...

...you're doing an AWESOME job. I deleted my comment you had a problem with from your talk page, and I deleted your harassment from my talk page. I'm going to delete your comment AGAIN in a moment. I backed off as you asked, and then you decided that you would become aggressive. Fine. You're an administrator, I suppose that's your prerogative. I'll ask you not to revert your comment on my talk page again. In fact, don't ever comment on my talk page again. Should you continue to stalk me, appropriate measures will be taken. Please consider this your one and only warning. -- weirdoactor 18:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Why??

it has come to my attention that you deleted the Lincolnshire Pallets article. I was fine with the article it was just the Phil Dukes article i was not. Could you please retrieve it or something? (Jamesbourne11 18:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC))

Why?

It has come to my attention that you deleted the Lincolnshire Pallets article. I am fine with the article and i only asked for Phil Dukes to be deleted. Could you recover it or something? (Jamesbourne11 18:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC))

I am sorry this was onkly a joke to my friend. I dont think anyone was using it that time.

What?

Why don't you think that others are interested?--Pierson's Puppeteer 20:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

CarRanger

Zoe, hi. Why did you revert my pagemove at Gekisou Sentai CarRanger? I was completing a request from WP:RM, and I checked the external sources, all of which spell it without CamelCaps. Do you have access to some other information, indicating that CamelCaps are correct? -GTBacchus 21:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries, I probably should have changed the text of the article when completing the rename. I'll do that now. -GTBacchus 21:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

tell me how to correct this

zoe , all of this info is from my PR kit, all of the information from my PR kit is true a factual , all taken from articles written about me, while I was chef at google and since I have left google.

respectfully yours Charlie Ayers

List of smosh videos

That was deleted from the smosh page. I think the deletion made the article better. You should talk to the guy who made the change there; http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Smosh because he doesn't have a user name. -CRouleau 22:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it needs its own list; Misplaced Pages is not a collection of external links, and most of those videos almost definitely won't have their own article. Veinor 22:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Whoops - you deleted a page in error

Dear Zoe:

I spent a lot of time creating the page Clear rolling papers. It was not written in ad format and I think maybe you misjudged it. Actually it was the opposite of an ad b/c I hate the product in question and I had a lot of trouble not letting my personal feelings get into the article. Could you PLEASE re-read it - then repost it. If you feel it needs cleanup then tag it appropriately. I have just spoken to other Admins who agree it was really not an ad.

I hope you will have a look at the article you deleted and then repost it. It's very important that the public knows that Clear rolling papers are just cellophane and the backgroud of the item and it's historic implications.

--Mrtobacco 23:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

MOTD discussion

I tend to agree with you - see Misplaced Pages:Motto of the day/Desk/veto, and note the author (if you read this and it hasn't yet been deleted, please do). Then you have the Esperanza attempt to revitalise, with him controlling it (from the little I read before it was deleted-and-salted), and I'm sure there's others. He just recreated the "co-ordinators" on Misplaced Pages:Motto of the day/Desk, who "are the only ones who can determine concensus", have a "special veto" (see above), etc. Although not the most applicable situation for it, a Request for Comment may not be such a bad idea. Daniel.Bryant 23:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I just found Misplaced Pages:Justice Court (and Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Justice Court). Worrying, to say the least. Daniel.Bryant 23:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

See my response. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 23:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Could you possibly delete that Arbcab thing? Daniel.Bryant 00:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Village Pump

People (or more likely person) have just been posting all sorts of nonsense there lately. You'd think they'd get bored. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

It rarely is. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Ben Longman & Superman Apcolypse

Hi this is Ben Longman, creator of the articles Ben Longman and Superman Apocolypse. Can you please stop deleting my articles? Every word I wrote is true and I am not breaching any copyrights, I have double checked in a lot of places. I'm just a young guy trying to promote his talents on the internet and who thought that you would be good enough to oblige, but obviously not. Please can you restore my articles, because they took a long time to get going and I have no other way to promote myself. If not, please give me the good reason why not and who I am harming. Thankyou.

Ben Longman

Please note

Please not that my profile was also in no way an advertisment for me, but merely an information page for someone wanting to use my services, if such a person ever does. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ben Longman (talk • contribs) 13:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

please do not edit my talk page

u edited my talk page cause i changed it when i wasnt signed on please do not edit it again —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yells at soup (talk • contribs) 13:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

attack?

i wud like to no wot was an attack so i can delete it from the page khalid elqasabagli please —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jimathon (talk • contribs) 19:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

Sourced info

Dear user, thank you for your message! Misplaced Pages has become a place where nations wage intellectual wars against each other. Articles are nothing political pamphlets. Have you looked at the sources? They are often nothing but politics. Other users who come up with similar sources are sidelined because they are either less war-thirsty or numerically disadvantaged. I have noticed that Aremanians and Persian chauvinists are probably paid to misinform about Azerbaijani related articles. You have nothing to discuss. Misplaced Pages shall block these articles. They will soon create big scandals! These political articles are making this website a liability. 85.186.230.115 22:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you admin????

Look at the article about Azerbaijan, and any article whatsoever about Azerbaijan!!! Of course I also have political orientation and I feel obliged to enforce my political orientations arbitrarily. You know why? Because articles about my homeland are written by the enemies of my homeland. Sourced information have been deleted by other users and nothing happened. Azerbaijani users discussed the issues and received personal attacks. What do you call this? It's all dirty work and I think there is no other way to respond by dirty work. Do you see articles about Armenia mocked like this? No. Any article about Azerbaijani issues have been continuously mocked by Persian and Armenian chauvinists who portray themselves as Azerbaijani. Their sources are racist weblogs... as long as there are these problems there will be dirty work. I don't know how to solve these problems. I would personally put some Westerner write the articles according to Western sources then block the articles. 85.186.230.115 22:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No Blogs

Thanks Zoey for telling me that we can't make blogs. I would have never Found that out.--Klaus 22:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no possibility of having consensus

Look at the articles about Azerbijan, read them carefully and if you don't see simple political pamphlets correct me! Why are these articles up? You think Azerbaijanis did not try consensus???? They did. Look at the talk page! Believe me, this is campagin of misinformation. There are people paid to misinform! Who to discuss to? Look at the discussion! There are only personal attacks. Why is the article about Azerbaijan portraying Azerbijan in such a bad way? You think Azerbaijanis would have written those? Anyway, thanks for your comments! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.186.230.115 (talk) 22:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

I don't want to waste your time!!!

Let me tell you how the tactic works, as I have discovered. I previously tried to edit articles. I found sources, which were not blogs or political pamphlets. They were academic sources. I did some editing of an article about Azerbaijanis. I first tried to talk. I received many insults and was called names. Then I ignored and moved on to edit. I think there were tens of members each popping up every few seconds and editing back everything I had edited. Are you joking? Who can you resolve your conflicts with? One, two, three, or four members? They are so many. It's a waste of time. The only way is to play their own dirty game, though Azerbaijani or Turkish governments are not funding these strategies. The only way is to mock them, insult, intimidate, delete, edit back, intimidate, mock and insult until some of them give up. Many Azerbaijanis gave up like this. It's strange but Misplaced Pages policy has these tremendous flaws. The rules can be useful only if there was good faith. I explained about that. 85.186.230.115 22:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I filed that too!!!

I filed it. After that dodgy parts were removed and the removal lasted for about 30 hours. Some of the members came back and changed everything back to where they were. No Aremnian will ever tell you these, I am telling you becasue I am not doing those things. I wouldn't mind being blocked anyway. Please look at this article: Azerbaijan (Iran) and you will see that there were changes made a few days ago by admins then the members who were mocking and distorting the article disappeared for a bit more than a day. They came back and turned the article back to where it was. please take a look. It was also a copy-right violation!!! That was why the admins deleted most of the article. The mockers came back soon, I think there are about 20-30 members at least and changed the article back to where it was, making it even worse. PLEASE take a look!!! 85.186.230.115 22:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I know...

I know you don't know what to tell me. I told you about a very grave and serious problem at Misplaced Pages. It has become the war-zone of conflicting ideologies. There is no already-thought solution for it. Let me explain the strategy to you once again. I am not expecting solution from you but maybe if you are able to pass this on to someone with authority they can, at some point, think about a solution. So, the strategy goes like this: 1) You have somehwre between 50 to 100 IP adresses. You pay about 50 to 100 people and give them a single task: MOCK, INTIMIDATE, EDIT, DISTORT, MANIPULATE, INSULT, do whatever in your power so articles about the history and facts of the people that we consider threatening are not seen by Westerners the way we do not want to. A country like Armenia is doing this and the result is that, IT WORKS. Azerbaijan is not doing this. So, if you look at any possible article about Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis you will see they are written by Armenians. It is quite funny, isn't it? A country can afford spending a lot of money for propaganda, especially when it is afraid of its future. Or maybe when it relies on certain factions' non-awareness of the opposing views, or facts. Believe me there is no way to oppose this strategy but to do the same, but I cannot do that. It is too costly. A governemnt can do it. Cheers! 85.186.230.115 23:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

...

Well... I doubt the US government is doing something like that. Small countries that feel threatened and fear for their future do such things. I told you how it works, right? You think it wouldn't work? It would, for sure. Paying 50 people is nothing for a government budget. And 50 people can do a hell lot of misinformation. So, you really really think this is paranoia?? No, seriously, you think this is paranoia? Governments are willing to pay tens and hundreds of millions to improve their image by ads on tv and the press. They also pay huge sums of money to researchers and writers to do favourable workd for them. You think those costs are greater than paying 50 people to watch all the articles about your country and your enemy's country on Misplaced Pages??? Well, at some point all this will get out of control when all the governments will start paying people write about them. It is true though that Iran's government would never be so stupid to pay 50 people to write disinformation about the US becasue it would put up with 300 million of English-speakers editing but how many Azerbaijanis speak English well enough, like me for example? How many of them search the net in English? How many of them have the time to waste to correct propaganda against their country. Very few :)) So, the method works for small to average countries misinforimg about other small to average countries or regions!

Please reconsider deletion

Dear Zoe,

Will you please reconsider your deletion of the "masturbatory thread" entry? I do not believe it qualified under the speedy deletion policy, and by any measure the article is useful or at least deserving of appropriate review and debate under the wikipedia deletion policy.

The only comments you made on the deletion record are "nonsense" and "still nonsense." As perMisplaced Pages:Deletion guidelines for administrators, "nonsense" is a valid criterion for deleting articles without review under the Misplaced Pages:Speedy Deletion policy. Under Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion, "patent nonsense" (Misplaced Pages:Patent Nonsense) is a criterion. However, for it to be "patent nonsense" an article must be:

  1. Total nonsense - i.e. text or random characters that have no assignable meaning at all.... 
  2. Content that, while apparently meaningful after a fashion, is so completely and irredeemably confused that no intelligent person can be expected to make any sense of it whatsoever.

The article is obviously not a random string of characters. Nor is it so confused that no intelligent person can make no sense of it whatsoever. Several people contributed to writing and editing the article and I wrote a "talk" post describing why the article was relevant. In addition, the phrase "masturbatory thread" returns 377 google entries. Between the people working on the article and the wider universe, there are obviously people who see some meaning in the phrase.

Under the circumstances, I believe you may have inadvertently deleted the article "out of process" and that if you believe the article has no merit the proper "proposed for deletion" procedure should be followed. In the alternative, if the article was merely poorly or incompetently written, it should be flagged as requiring clean-up. I mentioned some of this in my talk post.

Underneath it all, "Masturbatory Threads" are a common, well known phenomenon unique to online forums, and that significantly affect the online experience and the success of the forums. The term fits properly alongside many dozens of other well-established Misplaced Pages articles in at least two categories: Category:Internet forum terminology and Category:Internet culture. These articles cover such terms as post counts, baiters, trolls, bumping, flaming, double posting, forum spam, on-topic versus off-topic posts, moderators, Godwin's Law, thread breaking, lurkers, leets, and kickbans. Many articles in these categories, similarly, have several hundred google hits as well.

Therefore, would you kindly re-post the article and, if it is deficient in any way, take the appropriate action so that the people who have been editing it today can continue their work to meet Misplaced Pages standards?

Thanks,

Cruelladevil 23:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)cruelladevil

Your edit to User talk:72.40.44.97

Thanks for fixing my syntax :) I was just about to do it, but I guess you beat me to it! Gracenotes § 23:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Zarf

I wouldn't know; I only watch Days at the moment. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 04:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

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Religious democracy

Please revert my article to its original version. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Farhoudk (talk • contribs) 19:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Religious democracy

It has various sections like "Christian democracy", "Jewdasim and democracy" etc. already. There is no any ambiguity in the title or contents. Also it is under development. Farhoudk 19:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Religious democracy

Thanks. But I am not as skillfull as you in the wikipedia. Also other users may consider it offensive to see your edits were reverted by me. Would you mind doing it yourself. Best. Farhoudk 19:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Editing the Marehan page

Hi

I find it very unprofessionally that you keep deleting large verified junk from the Marehan page.

Please cease as I have provided citations for the evidence mentioned on the page.

Regards MarehanEmpire

That is because as you might know, the late president shifted and shared his power with his immediate clan. Hence why they are accountable for the many changes that they have brought to Somalia (education, higher literacy, etc).

Besides, why did you delete the reference the Marehan Sultanate or do you want me to present the actual page of the reference that I have included?

Zoe

I am appaled that you deny that the Ethiopians didn't had the Cubian and Soviet backing when Somalia when to war with them. It is common public knowledge.

Nevertheless I will provide the evidence for that.

Evidence 1: In 1970 Mr Barre proclaimed a socialist state, paving the way for close relations with the USSR. In 1977, with the help of Soviet arms, Somalia attempted to seize the Ogaden region of Ethiopia, but was defeated thanks to Soviet and Cuban backing for Ethiopia, which had turned Marxist.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/country_profiles/1072592.stm

Evidence two:

In December 1976, an Ethiopian delegation in Moscow signed a military assistance agreement with the Soviet Union. The following April, Ethiopia abrogated its military assistance agreement with the United States and expelled the American military missions. In July 1977, sensing the disarray in Ethiopia, Somalia attacked across the Ogaden Desert in pursuit of its irredentist claims to the ethnic Somali areas of Ethiopia. Ethiopian forces were driven back deep inside their own frontier but, with the assistance of a massive Soviet airlift of arms and Cuban combat forces, they stemmed the attack. The major Somali regular units were forced out of the Ogaden in March 1978. Twenty years later, development in the Somali region of Ethiopia lagged.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2859.htm

Zoe,

I have already provided the sources, one from the BBC page and the other one from the US government page.

Evidence 1: In 1970 Mr Barre proclaimed a socialist state, paving the way for close relations with the USSR. In 1977, with the help of Soviet arms, Somalia attempted to seize the Ogaden region of Ethiopia, but was defeated thanks to Soviet and Cuban backing for Ethiopia, which had turned Marxist.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/country_profiles/1072592.stm

Evidence two:

In December 1976, an Ethiopian delegation in Moscow signed a military assistance agreement with the Soviet Union. The following April, Ethiopia abrogated its military assistance agreement with the United States and expelled the American military missions. In July 1977, sensing the disarray in Ethiopia, Somalia attacked across the Ogaden Desert in pursuit of its irredentist claims to the ethnic Somali areas of Ethiopia. Ethiopian forces were driven back deep inside their own frontier but, with the assistance of a massive Soviet airlift of arms and Cuban combat forces, they stemmed the attack. The major Somali regular units were forced out of the Ogaden in March 1978. Twenty years later, development in the Somali region of Ethiopia lagged.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2859.htm

RE: Deletion of my article

Well then —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ben Longman (talk • contribs) 21:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

RE: Deletion of my article

Well then what about Superman Apocolypse? That was in no way a promotion. That was merely information and there is nothing in there to try to promote it.

Ben Longman

RE:Superman Apocolypse

So you mean that it has to be noted somewhere else before it can be deemed properly existant? Because it hasnt actaully been released yet but it should debut on TheForce.net in about march

Ben Longman

Apocolypse is the name of the villan in the film

Ben Longman

Rutland etymology

Thanks for your question "What does "RatCE" mean?" on the etymology of Rutland. This was a direct quote from "Notes & Queries" of 1909 as referenced, but I think it was probably an error introduced by the journal in scanning & OCR of the original paper journal into electronic format. I can't explain it so I have removed that part of the sentance. I hope it stil makes sense & throws some light on the origin of the county name.— Rod 23:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

3RR

Thanks for your message, Zoe. Perhaps in this case I was too hasty, though I was motivated a little by the combination of 3RR and incivility. I will lift the block myself. Thanks for your input. Bucketsofg 23:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your intercession with Bucketsofg. Michaelsanders 01:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

A heads up for you: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Michaelsanders_reported_by_User:Milo_H_Minderbinder_.28Result:.29. Cheers. --Milo H Minderbinder 16:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

american dad eps

people have been asking for an expanded version as well...and thats what this is —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grande13 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

Your message

Hi Zoe, I think I saw on the email list that your request was done already. If not let me know. --FloNight 00:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Policies

Mr Zoe

Please describe in complete detail what needs to be done about this article to meet Misplaced Pages's public standards.

Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mixlplix (talk • contribs) 02:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

Mike's talk page

I DB'd it because he left and requested deletion of his user and talk pages. Someone, obviously thinking Mike was a new user, gave him the {{welcome}} template. He's obviously not new, so I thought it would be best to remove it. --69.144.234.146 04:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

That much I knew, it just seemed that a welcome message is probably the thing least needed there at this point. But it's not a big deal, anyway. --69.144.234.146 00:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Response

I do know that you favoured clemency towards me yesterday (there's a thank-you further up this page!) - I was very grateful (I spend too much time on here, and so got withdrawal yesterday...). I'm not going to bore you with this issue: if you want to find out, you can easily read the admin 3rr page and the article history in question, and if you don't, then I'll be wasting both our time by rambling here. But I do know that the 3RR is a borderline rather than a right (and said as much on the admin page). I did repeatedly ask the other editors to discuss their changes rather than partially/wholly revert - they didn't answer until my third revert, today. As it happens, the dispute already seems to be winding down: another editor has accepted most of my changes, and I have now suggested information which should be restored/added to the article on the talk page; I hope the others will be willing to talk this time.

And thank you, again, for the help yesterday - even if my zealousness has landed me in it again. Michaelsanders 17:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I won't pretend that I don't bring some of these arguments with others on myself: sometimes through outright rudeness, more often through my baseline nature - I'm neither peaceful or quiet by nature, and that seems to cause a lot of problems for myself and others. Of course, one of the big unavoidable problems with wikipedia is the inevitable clash of timezones and schedules: it's often difficult to tell whether someone is refusing to talk because they're being truculent, or because they've just gone to bed...since I have a tendency to assume the former, it gets me really annoyed when people don't answer, and correspondingly less pleasant towards them when they do.

But ignore my maunderings. Thanks for the advice, and the help (which I so carelessly squandered). Michaelsanders 17:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if I've squandered it or not - the decision still hasn't been made. Michaelsanders 17:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The New Way Forward

Zoe, what do you think about Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The New Way Forward in light of recent speech ? . change your vote? MPS 18:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks. Please physically change your vote on the AFD. I can't do that for you. Also, feel free to participate in the name change discussion on Talk:The New Way Forward. Peace, MPS 19:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Church of Fonz

I didnt recreate the page, next time you should check the discussion page. I posted there to discuss why this shouldnt be deleted, I checked the rules and I see no reason why this couldnt be posted. What youre doing is very childish and disrespectful. Ill try and post what I can remember again: The article is not a joke or hoax, There are people who accept the idea and it is just as viable as christianity, Islam, rastafarianism, scientology and every other pagan religion. If they get their pages then The Church of Fonz can get its own. Just because it was created by Peter from Family Guy doesnt mean it cant be accepted. Next time try discussing it instead of copy pasting some bs response youd expect from aol/blizzard customer service. Peoplez1k 19:55 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Dashes

Copied from WP:Help desk:

At WP:MOSDASH is mentioned: Hyphens and dashes are generally rather avoided in page names (e.g., year of birth and death are generally not used in a page name to disambiguate two people with the same name). (...)If hyphens and dashes are needed to write a page name correctly (e.g., Piano-Rag-Music, Jack-in-the-box, Nineteen Eighty-Four), prefer simple hyphens, and avoid hair spaces, even in the odd case of a range forming part of the title, e.g., History of the Soviet Union (1985-1991). --213.155.224.232 20:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment

Hi Zoe, I noticed you're userpage says "I believe that Misplaced Pages:Wheel war is an important guideline, and should be policy". Are you aware that as of December 18, it now is? :-) Khoikhoi 03:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Zoe, fixed the query about the aslandad.jpg upload. It is a self-produced image, not copyrighted. please note.

Claros In Touch

Hi Zoe. The above aricle was recently speadied because it failed WP:SPAM, however, the author of it would like a copy of it so they could change it to a non spam article. Is there any chance you could sift it out for me an put it in User:Ryanpostlethwaite/Claros In Touch? It would be much appreciated RyanPostlethwaite 00:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Cheers Zoe, I'll keep an eye on it so it doesn't get reposted without it meeting WP:SPAM RyanPostlethwaite 00:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yea

I got it by someone else How do I remove it?

I got a message to remove it. I don't know how to remove it, but I removed me redirecting to it.

No its ok I was just exploring and testing stuff out

I didn't know making a new page was vandalism

Ok I get it now. By the way, do you know how to enter one line down? Entering once doesn't work.

Ok thanks and
sorry for the violation Alex.petralia 02:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Shawn Hornbeck

You know what, I'm trying this again so as not to break your h-scroll. I don't agree that it was a personal attack, but I see how it could be regarded as such and I do apologize. It was more of an expression of frustration with what seems to me a subjective and spottily-enforced standard. Umlautbob 06:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

re: moodring (band) page

it wasn't false information, you didn't let me finish the article or write that they are a fictional band etc. I couldn't finish it cause the "database was catching up" etc apparently which was annoying.

i didn't write this....

"final warning? I didnt make it again dumbass and youre starting to get on my nerves"

The fiction is a zine called "fanscape"

Well fans don't write it, the writers do, I don't know if that counts as one

Yeah, its like the story of their rise to fame etc but they use characters people may know to make it more familiar

Oh ok, well I have seen loads of articles on similar subjects but fair enough.

Well I'm not sure what fanfic is but i've seen ones on characters in zines, one gave me the idea for this actually. I dunno, have a look round

Lasagna cell

Please see Talk:Lasagna cell, I've restored the page, whose deletion I think did not follow proper procedure. Femto 15:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sticks

yeah, I was only putting it on pages that deserve to be vandalized.