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== Pony Express markers ==

Do any project members know more about these Pony Express markers?

* https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=154923

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Saturday's Warrior

Saturday's Warrior is up for deletion. Is this film notable outside of the latter-day saint community? The article needs more info on critical reception of the films/play. Tea and crumpets (talk) 16:48, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

AFD decision was "Keep"; sources were found and added during AFD. --Doncram (talk) 21:52, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Utah architects

I've created a good many articles on Utah architects in the past, and recently have been cooperating with User:Zigzig20s, and we both have been creating more. Could we sort of keep track here for a while, and maybe discuss standards if that might be helpful? Or maybe just share about all that is going on, and hope some others might be able to help with some questions? I copy in a question or two raised by Zigzig20s elsewhere, and ask some more. --Doncram (talk) 20:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

There is Category:Architects from Utah, now with 31 members, probably already covering the more major historic architects in the state. I bet some of them were started by me but left fairly incomplete. It includes:

Recent new articles started by Z or me include:

They were brothers. A quick search at familysearch.org clears that up. Ntsimp (talk) 21:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

notability and merging

What do we think is enough to make an architect Misplaced Pages-notable? In the past i created articles for every architect i could find who had designed 5 or more NRHP-listed works, which are pretty major works usually. Now I create articles with fewer works. I almost always would not create an article for someone with just one NRHP listing. What about two, as for Julius A. Smith? Sometimes if an architect only created a few major works, it might be better to cover them in an article about an architectural firm that trained them, maybe. I don't recall myself ever merging already-separated articles back, though. --Doncram (talk) 20:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I oppose merging them. They were created as stubs and can/will be expanded. First we need to figure out if they designed more NRHP-listed buildings; and then they probably designed many more buildings not on the NRHP.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:45, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
For example we need to find the buildings designed by Francis Charles Woods in Idaho.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:05, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Scowcrofts

Side question: by any chance was Scowcroft Warehouse founded by Brent Scowcroft's ancestors? There is also Heber Scowcroft House, designed by Moroni Charles Woods.

Yes. Heber Scowcroft was Brent Scowcroft's grandfather. Ntsimp (talk) 21:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Wow, that's really interesting. Perhaps it could be added to his 'early life' section.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

sources

  • Obituaries are always good, are found with more skill by Z than me.
  • William Ward (Utah architect) article has Allen D. Roberts source which might cover a bunch more?
  • SAH Archipedia "by architect" browsing is now available. Browsing for "Julius Smith" finds nothing for me though. Also nothing for "Moroni" as first name. Oh i see, SAH Archipedia covers only 67 works in Utah, a tiny number relative to its coverage in many other states, as of 10/2019. :(
  • Utah Center For Architecture's project on architects, which allows one to pick architect by drop-down list at http://www.utahcfa.org/search, yields page on Julius Smith with 2 more works, 4 in total. :) It is already sourced in Moroni Wood article, has just 3 for him. --Doncram (talk) 21:23, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. Roberts, Allen D. (Summer 1976). "More of Utah's Unknown Pioneer Architects: Their Lives and Works" (PDF). Sunstone. 1 (3). Provo, Utah: 47–49.

Formatting Utah State Preservation Office historic site doc references

Hey, @Zigzig20s: and @Ntsimp: and anyone else interested in this exciting topic!?!  :) It probably doesn't matter much but there's been some variation in how we format references to Utah State forms, and maybe there is a best way or maybe not. Maybe we could share thoughts? Take for example this form for Cramer House as an example (where i happened to change the formatting by this diff, but i am not sure about it).

Three minor questions:

  • 1) publisher? For documents we are linking to URLs at NPS, I have been putting National Park Service as publisher because the NPS has "published" these documents in terms of putting them out on the web. As opposed to some cases where we really are getting it from a Utah State webpage. Or say Utah State Historical Society because that is the entity which was collecting the documents and possibly "publishing" them somehow, at least presumably filing them and making them available upon request probably? Sometimes a Utah state or even a local version is available/published in form not yet including signatures, dates, stamps that eventually appear in version published by NPS, potentially with content changes too.
  • 2) state the word "Form" in the title or not... i sorta prefer not to say that, because i think it is a blank form until it is filled out and then it is something else, a nomination or an assessment/identification of historic merit.
  • 3) state how much text in the title out of three available lines? Putting all three in would give long title, maybe punctuated by slash ("/") marks: "Utah State Historical Society / Historic Preservation Research Information / Structure/Site Information: Cramer House". I have been omitting the middle line, "Historic Preservation Research Office", and just saying ""Utah State Historical Society Structure/Site Information: Cramer House", with no slash for the line change. Maybe it would be better to convert "Structure/Site" to "Structure-Site", too.

I do think it doesn't really matter which ways are chosen, or even if we are inconsistent, but could anyone else opine about 1, 2, 3?

Or, hmm, should this question be taken to some noticeboard, maybe wp:RSN? Or perhaps better, ask in terms of what would be preferred in articles being nominated for "Good" or "Featured" status? Maybe/probably the exact formatting does matter for articles to get promoted, so ask editors/regulars at Misplaced Pages talk:Good articles and/or Misplaced Pages talk:Featured articles? --Doncram (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

I think this is one for WikiProject NRHP. Ntsimp (talk) 18:16, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Brooks Arcade

Has this been demolished? Feel free to expand the article with good RS. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 00:59, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Ntsimp: Do you know this please?Zigzig20s (talk) 02:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
What's in the picture is still there. It was delisted due to extensive alterations; as I understand it, only part of the outer layer is original. Ntsimp (talk) 05:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:16, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Latter-day Saints University

Just to be clear, Latter-day Saints University mentioned here is BYU, isn't it? If so, shouldn't we create a redirect? The phrase "Latter-day Saints University" is not mentioned in History of Brigham Young University.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:41, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Nope, actually! It seems to be the name for what became LDS Business College, in Salt Lake City. The article reports it was an academy which never grew into the university it was intended to be. I do think BYU is the top LDS-associated university, but I recall learning somewhere that Brigham Young founded three colleges/universities (including the one that became BYU). Anyhow LDS University was redirected to LDS Business College by User:Ylee in 2013. Latter-day Saints University was redirected to same in 2009 by User:Wasted Time R. --Doncram (talk) 07:43, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:13, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Provo City Cemetery

It may be interesting to create the Provo City Cemetery, with a section about its history and another section about the notable individuals buried there.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:24, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: DO you have a list of reliable sources to be used to do this? You could start working on it at Draft:Provo City Cemetery. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

A couple new articles and a couple new templates

I've created the following articles and templates:

Just making people aware of them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Sim Gill Page Being Edited - Most Likely By Campaign

Just a heads up that it appears that the Sim Gill page is getting edited by the Sim Gill Campaign. Or at the least by people who want to make him look good, rather than remain neutral. Over the past month, I have restored the article to its original state multiple times. Someone keeps removing controversy section, adding a list of his awards, and spinning all events of his life to sound like a campaign brochure. I think it would be worthwhile to keep an eye on the page, and further discus which sections are appropriate and which are not.

Very much reminds me of the Mike Winder edits of the past... Editing to make yourself sound good just prior to an election. Vayapues2 (talk) 14:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Can I get a couple more eyes on Talk:Nightingale College? and Nightingale College

Nightingale College of Salt Lake City appears to have a really shady history. There is a history on the talk page in which Nightingale college has paid Misplaced Pages editors.

There appears to be an ongoing defamation lawsuit in federal court and whole sections are now being deleted. I am at a total loss. Any help would be most appreciated.

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Infinitepeace (talk) 03:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

New public art list for SLC

Just sharing a recently created public art list: List of public art in Salt Lake City.

Additions and other improvements welcome. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:14, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Related, I could really use help at A Monument to Peace: Our Hope for the Children. This work goes by so many different titles -- if any locals have more information or sources about this monument please help improve the article or share on the talk page. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Liberty Bell replica(s) in SLC

Replica at the Utah State Capitol, 2010
Bell at Memory Grove, 2021

Hello again! I think there are two Liberty Bell replicas in Salt Lake City, and I'm curious if one or both deserve Misplaced Pages entries. If I'm understanding correctly, there's one installed in the Utah State Capitol and another at Memory Grove.

Do any project members have access to other helpful sources, or thoughts on entries for either bell? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:23, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Morgan Commercial and Normal College Marker?

Does anyone know more about this memorial?

Should there be a Misplaced Pages entry? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:29, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Pony Express markers

Do any project members know more about these Pony Express markers?

Should there be a Misplaced Pages article? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:33, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

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