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Second Amendment Comment

This page indicates that Trump's statement that Clinton wanted to abolish the second amendment is 'factually false'. While it was not strictly true, people are removing my comment that many people consider it to bear a degree of accuracy. Clinton expressed opposition to modern supreme court second amendment jurisprudence, which has thus far only affirmed mainstream understanding that the second amendment protects an individual right to firearm ownership. Overturning those decisions would indeed in effect 'abolish' the meaning of the amendment. Again, Clinton never expressly desired to repeal the amendment, but to say that such notion is false without any context is misleading to this page's readers. Reputable sources, (National Review, Federalist), have stood by the comment.

"The March 2019 report issued by special council Robert Mueller at the conclusion of his investigations found President Trump, whether as a candidate or President elect, had committed no crime."

This phrasing is *strictly* at odds with what the Mueller Report actually says, as well as what our article on the Report says:

"Volume II of the report addresses obstruction of justice. The investigation intentionally took an approach that could not result in a judgment that Trump committed a crime, abiding by an Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion that a sitting president is immune from criminal prosecution, fearing that charges would affect Trump's governing and preempt impeachment and feeling that it would be unfair to accuse Trump of a crime without charges or a trial. As such, the investigation "does not conclude that the President committed a crime"; however, "it also does not exonerate him", with investigators not confident of Trump's innocence."

This appears to be clear vandalism or agenda editing. Please address it, this is an embarrassment for the encyclopedia.50.194.115.156 (talk) 16:37, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

There seem to be two sections for this, but yes, see my comment below. We need to rely on WP:SECONDARY sources for interpretation or analysis of what the report says rather than citing it directly; and at least as far as I can tell there aren't sources supporting the reading that an editor wanted to use it for. --Aquillion (talk) 17:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Mueller report didn't conclude that no crime had happened

The editor DaveFelmer edit-warred text into the lead saying the Mueller report concluded Trump had committed no crime. That is not what the Mueller report concluded. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:33, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

At the very least the source they used seems WP:PRIMARY in this context; we can't use it to state something exceptional like that, especially when secondary sources don't seem to agree with the editor's interpretation or analysis of it. --Aquillion (talk) 17:46, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. Mueller, Robert (March 30, 2019). "Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election" (PDF). justice.gov. US Justice Dept. Retrieved September 26, 2020.
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