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POV

The article about Oromia is a very racist and divisive article intended to spread false and tiwisted information. It is aim is nothing more than to promote separatist propaganda and distroy Ethiopia as a nation. It is a very biased pro-Oromo antiAmhara article. bek —the preceding comment is by 64.229.248.187 - 01:39, 16 December 2004: Please sign your posts!

I think bek did not read or could not read, because I do not see any of the things he is accusing the article for. Could it be he is describing himself, and may be his own supermacist Amhara people? :Joe —the preceding comment is by 151.197.122.120 - 07:57, 2 January 2005: Please sign your posts!

Bek... is talking about some thing that is not the article talking about. But his mind is blinded by the hatrate he devloped in him.

please bek, be open mind, ::Boru —the preceding comment is by 68.211.102.199 - 15:30, 25 February 2006: Please sign your posts!

Bek's comment has been there for quite a while, and is in response to a much earlier version of this article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:22, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, by now the Article is certainly not biased anymore, as it indeed was before. Much interesting information about Oromo culture was lost however. It would be nice if somebody could add this information again while keeping out the clear bias. Chris —the preceding comment is by 134.146.0.6 - 21:10, 13 January 2005: Please sign your posts!

Adama

I have added information about the regional capital, Finfine (which now has its own article in Misplaced Pages). I know that the selection of Finfine as the capital was controversial, and I knew I could not mention Adama without also mentioning the controversy. I tried to keep NPOV. Gyrofrog 20:39, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

um hello, my name is rosyln and i'm actually an african studies major. i am quite fascinated with east africa particularly ethiopia. i was reading your page and it came to my attention that you spelled the name of your region with the english letters. am i mistaken? and if i'm not, how long has it been since the english language use? (it was my understanding that one of the beautiful things about your country is that it has its own dialect and so numerous unlike anywhere else in the world having sustained these alphabets for such a long time so it just so happen to have caught me off guard)

sincerely —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.59.165.44 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understood your question correctly. When you say "English letters," are you referring to the Latin alphabet? The Oromo language has used a modified Roman alphabet since 1991. See Oromo language for more information. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's what she means. It has to do with politics, Rosyln (Rosalyn?). The main Oromo group in 1991 was the OLF, who felt oppressed by Semitic-speaking Ethiopians for a variety of reasons (too long to go into here) and adopted a modified Latin alphabet (called Qubee) instead of the Ge'ez (used earlier) due to these political issues, and putatively also due to being better adapted (though there are both benefits and drawbacks imparted by each alphabet). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

oh ok, i think i understand. so, this particular group changed the traditional letters to the Latin alphabet in order to riot against other Ethiopians (or i guess a particular ethiopian group)?

Finfinne not Adama

The capital city of Oromia is Finfinne (Addis Ababa). The decision to move the city to Adama was against the constitution and purely a political decision. No one except the Oromo people has the right over thier land. The Amara elite fear the very name of Oromia and Oromo. Now the city in another political decision moved back to Finfinne. Those who deny themsels the truth die from its hunger.

Bontu Oromia —the preceding comment is by 172.162.147.208 - 23:02, 23 June 2005: Please sign your posts!

I think the article was fairly clear regarding the Adama controversy (I wrote that, hoping to adhere to a neutral POV). Anyway, thanks for that update, I had not read anything about the capital moving again. I just found three articles from Walta Information Center. I guess this didn't make the international news, what with the recent post-election events. Normally, one would have expected this sort of news to turn up on allafrica.com. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:54, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

State/Regional Presidents

Comparing information on the Oromia Government website & from the Worldstatesmen webpage, I find that the names of the most recent Presidents differ:

So which forms of these names should we follow in this article? -- llywrch 22:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Obbo is basically 'mister', so it shouldn't be there. The Oromo orthography for the last name is Gammada. Not everybody spells their name according to the orthography though. Abbadula might be an Oromo version of "Abdul", but I'm not sure how it's pronounced (or spelled). Don't know about the others. — MikeG (talk) 05:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Mike's pretty much got it, I think. "Abdul" is not an Arabic name, so I don't think that's it (Abdul only shows up as part of a name like "`Abdul Qadir," from "`Abdu al-Qadir," with the "a" in al- being an "elliding alif"). I'm pretty sure that it's "Abba Dula" but one word, with "Abba" being related to "Obbo," and the word for "father." As for Gemmeda, Gemeda, English transliteration for Qubee-written (modified Latin alphabet) Oromo names is to use "e" for "a" and "a" for "aa" in the same way that first order vowels in Amharic are phonetically written with "e" in English, but fourth order vowels are "a," descending from short "a" and long "aa" respectively, which have been semi-preserved in Afaan Oromo, IIRC (o vs. oo and e vs. ee have definitely been preserved, though). Clarifying the others would be hard, but I'd go with the oromiagov.org spellings for those. Their spelling is definitely more like the Qubee spelling. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Update: The current president's name is as such in Ge'ez: ክቡር አባ ዱላ ገመዳ Kibūr 'Ab(b)ā Dūlā Gem(m)edā. Kibur = "Honorable." I.e. "The Honorable Abba Dula Gemmeda." The status of the "a" in Abba is probably lengthened, meaning in Qubee it is spelled Abbaa, but I'm not entirely certain. Dula in Qubee is also probably Duulaa, but I can't confirm that. The use of the first order for "ge" and "me," confirm that the Qubee spelling would be Gammadaa (are you sure it's Gammada with a single "a" at the end, Mike?). It's here in this Government video Google video link (Go to 1:22). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 06:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Statistics

The latest editing has some numbers that need correcting. The percentage of rural and urban should equal 100%, I think. "23.7% were rural inhabitants and 91.03% were urban" Pete unseth (talk) 16:52, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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How many zones in Oromia?

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Download as PDF error

I want to download as PDF of "Oromia Region. But I always get this error: "Status: ! Package polyglossia Error: The current roman font does not contain the Ethiop" Can you repear this error? Nighteagle2000 (talk) 23:50, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Please clarify "Begi Fiche"

The article currently lists two words without a comma in between, "Begi Fiche". Each is wikilinked separately as if each is a separate place. Is this supposed to be two different places, or one? Pete unseth (talk) 13:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Addis Ababa and Harari as enclave?

As Oromia constitution states, Addis Ababa is its capital city and Harari region is its administrative center for East Hararghe Zone. I think we need to add this when saying "Addis Ababa as an enclave surrounded by Shewa in its center and the Harari Region as an enclave surrounded by East Hararghe in its east." If there is no oppose, I would try to add next week. 196.189.89.245 (talk) 11:52, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

The Capital City For Oromia is Not Addis Ababa.

I am going to use all caps for this.....THE CAPITAL CITY FOR ORMIA REGION IS NOT ADDIS ABABA IT IS ADAMA. ADDIS ABEBA AKA SHEGER IS A CAPITAL CITY OF ETHIOPIA AND A HOME FOR AFRICAN UNION HEAD QUARTER.07:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)2601:601:A001:1F50:E9F2:5A9:19F8:87DB (talk)

Requested move 9 May 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved to Oromia region. There's an interesting debate here about the shorter Oromia, but there didn't seem to be consensus either way. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 06:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Oromia Region → Oromia region – Sources don't cap region (see news). Alternatively, if users prefer a proper-name title, then "Oromia Regional State" is a possibility; or "State of Oromia" as in the constitution. Dicklyon (talk) 15:42, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

• If "region" isn't a proper noun it should probably be moved to Oromia (region) since otherwise the proposed title would suggest its a type of such rather than a specific place. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
• I support using a proper name (plus qualifier, if necessary). (I would have thought it rare to not use a proper name for a place, unless none existed.) The title needn't be an official proper name though. It should be the common form of a proper name. Oromia seems reasonable, from what I know. As the primary topic for that name, it doesn't need a qualifier. If it did need a qualifier, Oromia (region) is reasonable. We should bear in mind broader factors: whatever form is decided on here is probably going to lead to proposals for similar naming of other regions of Ethiopia – I'm thinking, for example, of Amhara (region), Benishangul-Gumuz and Tigray (region). Nurg (talk) 10:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  @Crouch, Swale and Nurg: You can explore what it's called in news, in books, in ngrams, etc. It appears to be by far most common to call it "Oromia region" (and often not the Oromia region, either); "Oromia Regional State" is less common, and is also not uniformly capitalized, but often enough. I don't see much evidence that just calling it Oromia is commonly done. Dicklyon (talk) 02:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

  Also note that a majority of the regions are already titled as proposed here (because I fixed the over-capitalization a few days ago, and nobody pushed back, except for this one and then Tigray Region). If we do go with one of the more "official" or "proper" names, I'd assume we'd do similarly for the others. But the common name is not a proper name in this case. Dicklyon (talk) 04:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

When I check Google News and ngrams I get a very different picture from what you do. In the case of Google News, "Oromia region" (in quote marks) returns 8,790 results. When I search for Oromia and exclude the phrase "Oromia region" (i.e. Oromia -"Oromia region") I get 24,100 results. Similarly, my ngram query shows the "Region" terms (even when grouped as case-insensitive) as a small fraction of "Oromia". Nurg (talk) 08:58, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Those estimated hit counts are pretty meaningless, and Oromia refers to the people, not just the region; I was looking at actual uses in news articles. Dicklyon (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

It's normally the "Oromo people". Can you expand on why you think Oromia also refers to the people? Nurg (talk) 11:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

This is an article about a specific region rather than a type of region so if as you say "region" is generally lower case then that says that its an independent modifier rather than part of the name. Consider for example how Friendly fire is an article on a generic concept while Friendly Fire lists topics that are specific entities. Mercury, the planet is a planet but planet isn't part of the name so its put in lower case in brackets. With Bottle Island on the other hand, the "Island" here is part of the name which is why its included in upper case. Per WP:NCRIVER "parenthetical, non-capitalized "river" should be used: Inn (river). In other words neither "river" (without parentheses) nor "River" should be used to disambiguate articles". Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's a specific region. But many specifically designated entities are designated by phrases that are not proper names. If you've looked, you'll probably agree that the official politcal entity, the regional state, is most often called "Oromia region", as opposed to "Oromia Region", "Oromia Regional State", or "State of Oromia". Let me know if you disagree. I see the river analogy, but it's not really very connected to actual usage on these regions. Dicklyon (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I disagree. It appears to me that it is is most often called "Oromia". I find the other arguments unconvincing and support move to Oromia. Nurg (talk) 23:05, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NCCAPS, MOS:CAPS, since commonly lower-cased in sources. Natural disambiguation is preferable to parenthetic, and the frequency of the actual phrase "Oromia region" shows that it is natural. That said, I think Oromia (region) would also be permissible, but only if an "Oromia" vs. "Oromia region" analysis properly excluded references to the Oromia people. If the official name is Oromia Regional State, that's a possibility, but it genuinely does not appear to be the WP:COMMONNAME. One way to get at this is to do a Google News search and take the first 20 or whatever hits that are not for the people (or some other topic) and see what they are using. If it's just Oromia, use that with "(region)". If it's "Oromia region", use that.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

  If its commonly lower cased that's because the sources are saying "region" isn't part of the name so per WP:NNCAPS if its not a proper noun and not generic/descriptive title then it should be in brackets like Mercury. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:40, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

  Where would you have us move Prague derby to then? Or other things with "names" that are not proper names? Dicklyon (talk) 20:53, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) But "Oromia region" arguably is a descriptive title, and WP:NCCAPS, which is what I think you meant, isn't authoritative on any disambiguation matters, since it's a capitalization guideline. (Anything it says about DAB is derivative, and may need to be re-synchronized with the controlling material.) It is common for us to use parenthetical disambiguations for place names, but only when they are typically used alone. Here, it appears that the actually typical usage in English could be "Oromia region", though I would like to see better Google N-gram and Scholar and News results (e.g. totals for "Oromia" minus "Oromia gion", "Oromia people", "Oromia culture", "Oromia politics", etc. I.e., figure out from news and other results what the common "other Oromia phases" are and remove them from the "without egion" results from a search on "Oromia" by itself. But if the region is commonly called "Oromia" by itself, then I would agree with the parenthetical DAB. That would probably be more WP:CONSISTENT. Dicklyon, you're good at this kind of results-crunching.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

I've done a Google News search for Oromia and looked at the first 20 results. Here, with number of occurrences in brackets, are the names and descriptive titles. Feel free to check – I may have made mistakes.

1. Oromia (1 noun, 1 adj)
2. Oromia (1 noun, 1 adj), plus, 'the Oromia regional state' (1), 'the Oromia region' (1)
3. Oromia (4)
4. Oromia (8), Oromia Region (5), Oromia region (3), Oromia Regional State (1)
5. Oromia Region (9), "Oromia regional states"!
6. Oromia (2)
7. Oromia (1 noun, 1 adj), Oromia region (1)
8. Oromia (2 noun, 1 adj) ; Oromia region (1)
9. Oromia regional state (2)
10. "the Oromia region"
11. Oromia (1 noun, 1 adj) ; Oromia region (1)
12. "the Somali and Oromia regions"
13. Oromia (3)
14. Oromia (1), Oromia Region (1); Oromia Regional State (1);
15. Oromia (12) ; Oromia region (1)
16. Oromia region (2)
17. Oromia Region (1)
18. Oromia (1), Oromia regional state (1), Oromia region (3)
19. Oromia (9 noun 3 adj), Oromia region (1)
20. Oromia (2), the Oromia region (1)

The proper names used are:

• Oromia - 19 articles
• Oromia Region - 4 articles
• Oromia Regional State - 2 articles

Breaking proper names out into descriptive titles:

• Oromia (alone) - 14 articles
• Oromia region - 12 articles
• Oromia regional state - 4 articles
• Oromia Region - 4 articles
• Oromia Regional State - 2 articles

Six articles referred to the people as the Oromo and two as Oromos. None called them the Oromia.

Oromia is the most common name. And this is the primary topic – the only disambiguation I see as needed is Oromia Zone, which is already handled by a hatnote. Nurg (talk) 10:37, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support "Oromia region". Plain, simple, very identifiable, and in line with general style guides and WP's MoS. Tony (talk) 08:15, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Moving as Oromia region is non sense as opposed to the subject talks. The subject deals with a place proper name, that is located in Ethiopia. Also, many sources used Oromia Region and I would show you if it's required. When we say Oromia region, we only talks about region inhabited by Oromo people. As proper name, the subject talks only the particular region, nor place where Oromo people reside. As a result, I strongly oppose the move.

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The Supermind (talk) 18:57, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Move to Oromia. It already redirects here and is the primary meaning. Srnec (talk) 00:03, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support this proposal. No need to disambiguate. But I'm puzzled we don't have a page at Oromia (disambiguation). Andrewa (talk) 23:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:ONEOTHER - "If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, and one is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page is not needed—it is sufficient to use a hatnote on the primary topic article" Nurg (talk) 08:16, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

• Move to Oromia. There is no need for disambiguation, and we should thus be WP:CONCISE. RGloucester — ☎ 18:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 25 May 2021

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close. An RM on this topic has only just concluded, with a consensus to move to the present title. If there is an issue with the close (which seems unlikely, as the consensus looks quite clear) then that should be discussed with the closer and possibly challenged at WP:MRV. But opening an immediate new RM is out of process. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Oromia region → Oromia Region – The subject talks about a particular region name in Ethiopia. Thus, the name must use capitalization in Region or should use parenthesis like Oromia (region). I am totally disagreed with the fixated Oromia region. The Supermind (talk) 15:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion on this closed only a few hours ago. Just because you disagree with the outcome does not mean we should re-open the discussion. Please follow the consensus that has been established. Laplorfill (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 29 May 2021

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 07:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Oromia region → Oromia – Already redirects here. This is the primary topic. The only other Oromia we have is the Oromia Zone and that can be dealt with in a hatnote. The only other Oromias are (a) the Oromo homeland and (b) Greater Oromia, both controversial topics and neither normally called Oromia. Srnec (talk) 01:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – Ethiopia is divided into regions and zones. It is common to use "region" when referring to a region (aka a regional state). Dicklyon (talk) 05:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support. This is the primary topic – the only disambiguation needed is Oromia Zone, which is already handled by a hatnote. Nurg (talk) 11:59, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support, or move it back to Oromia Region. The current title defines some vague, arbitrary, area or region, not a well-defined regional state. We don't say Pennsylvania state, we just say Pennsylvania. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support per above and my previous comments, I'm not really convinced this this is a descriptive title so the fact that sources lower case "region" is because its being used as an independent modifier. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:42, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support per WP:CONCISE, and because this can probably be a combo article between the modern administrative region and the historic region where the Oromo people hail from.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:51, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:35, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support per WP:CONCISE, as I said in the previous discussion. RGloucester — ☎ 20:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support To my knowledge, Oromo people including leaders and me refer the region as Oromia. Maammee (talk)

History Section

I made a number of changes to the history section, which was in a very bad shape, with lots of editorialising language, bad English, poorly formatted sources, and events placed haphazardly out of chronological sequence. Doubtlessly some of the Oromo firebrands editing this page wish to reinsert some of the more excitable POV language previously found in that paragraph. I invite you to not revert the changes in one swell foop, but to challenge them individually, as I have given careful edit summaries to each of the edits. I trust that on the whole you'll agree that these edits are an improvement to what was there before. Please challenge these edits based on Misplaced Pages policies, and not on your strong feelings which may dictate that something else ought to be standing there. This page is not served well if it reads like an OLF pamphlet. LandLing 19:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

MfactDr just introduced a statement plus source relating to an incident in 1985 into the section dealing with incidents before 1940. This is the kind of edits I was just cleaning up - placing undue minor grievances which add nothing to what's already there, and placing them out of chronological sequence into a history section. This is an encyclopedia page, and not an unstructured repository for any kind of incident one can find on the www to show that the Oromo are the most suppressed people in existence. I give the editor some time to remove this edit themselves, before I do so. LandLing 10:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

LandLing why you removed repeatedly as you put verification needed in front of the content here and when I added the source you removed again. as evident here why you trying to distort the content to the way you think right here as oppose to the source. I am not agree the way you did at allMfactDr (talk) 15:23, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I explained all this in the edit summaries. I tagged the source because it is quite obviously junk science, meaning that it is published after a non-existent peer-review process in a predatory journal, which usually is not accepted as a reliable source on Misplaced Pages. You added further sources, two of which were opinion pieces, but the third was really good. So I left the content, as it was now supported by a good reliable source, and removed the other three embarrassing sources.

I know you rarely agree with anything I do, but I can assure you, I don't do it to distort content, but to ensure that the rules of Misplaced Pages are followed even on pages that invite a lot of POV editing. This is also the explanation for the other edit you complained about - in order to understand what I did, it is important for you to read the policies I quoted in my edit summaries. In short: even well sourced information may need to be deleted if it just doesn't belong where it is placed. As an extreme example, if I write an article about Angela Merkel and fill up her biography section with well-sourced information about each coffee-visit she made as a pastor's daughter in her youth, that would just be too much. But this is similar to what you are doing on many pages, writing about countless small incidents that are totally out of proportion to the subject of the page, because you just love piling up things that make Oromos look great or Amharas look bad, regardless of the structure of the article. This violates Misplaced Pages's WP:UNDUE policy and therefore needs to be reverted as often as you do it. But in this instance, I didn't delete it, but looked for the useful information that was actually included in that source, and which fit the structure of the article. The information was not distorted, but cleaned from undue POV baggage. LandLing 15:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@LandLing, You are deliberately causing another editor to become irritated or annoyed by calling “Oromo firebrands” editing this page and calling again reinsert some of the more excitable POV language without evidence. However, you no right to label, re-brand editor and attack editor.MfactDr (talk) 08:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't recall that I mentioned you specifically when I said this. I'm sorry that this irritates you. LandLing 08:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

LandLing, Why don’t you add inhabitant before Oromo in Finfinnee? As you claimed living Addis Ababa so want to deny Finfinnee not belong to Oromo? so want to degrade Oromo and conceal Amhara crime, right? you want to prevent disclosure information anything about Oromo by concealing and deleting part or whole the content. So, your aim is to reject carnages in the Oromia by the derg? This historical fact and atrocities in Oromia region is incontestable.MfactDr (talk) 08:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Refer to Capital as "Finfinne" on this page

The Oromo and regional state of Oromia refers to it as "Finfinne". Therefore it is just to call it that first since this is the Oromia page. Leyncho (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

@Leyncho: This is not good place to make WP:SOAP and original research. You can leave away from this project if you have hatred against certain ethnic group or ethnocentric emotion. This page is not for your interest, it is for Misplaced Pages which is global encyclopedia used by any world users at any time. The Supermind (talk) 09:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Finfinne or Addis Ababa

If the game is dependent on sources, we will assert our claims whether Addis Ababa and Finfinne are parallel synonymous. In Quartz Africa it states "...the federal capital, which they call Finfinne, belongs to Oromia." That's claim of Oromo people. You have no right to remove my source and I will continue to find good type of source and courageously add them. The Supermind (talk) 13:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@MfactDr: To be honest, I will compare these sources and how to use them:

1. . It is doesn't reflect to worldwide trend and is primary source.

2. Outside the Oromian context, the Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't mention Finfinne, instead saying "the capital is Addis Ababa". You know Encyclopedia Britannica is the best encyclopedia after Misplaced Pages that is fully written by expert and reflect worldwide trend.

3. Bold Tuesday, the American website, refers to Addis Ababa. The main concept is when you're outside Oromia, people in the world recognize Ethiopia's capital Addis Ababa. Otherwise I have a right to say Sheger in the article, should I? So, you basically distinguish two sources, primary sources and secondary sources. Primary sources is original to the subject, which is attributed by the subject while secondary is a summary of how the primary source is described by another person. Biography vs Autobiography. That's set. The first Oromian source is primary and if we permit primary sources entirely to Misplaced Pages, we also permit conflict of interest that is forbidden in this project. So in this case, secondary sources are highly required to the subject and the article itself is made up of primary source from Oromo related websites, journals, and books, while discarding other secondarily published source that is independent to Oromo subject. For Finfinne, we should use as "quote" or (parentheses) to specify who call the name Finfinne to Addis Ababa. The Supermind (talk) 13:42, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Original researches

The article does not rely to secondary sources and the neutrality is apparently disputed. For instance and . The Supermind (talk) 10:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

@The Supermind, Can you point out which section is original research? so that we can find reliable sources other wise we can remove any thing not belongs to here. Please do not put some thing like this its just not makes sense and its reflect your opinion. because if you find problem of article just put forward on here so we can discuss.MfactDr (talk) 11:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

@MfactDr: please you're siding with Oromo viewpoint, not the article. Most of references made Oromian point of view. Look at . This is definitely original primary site, not source, because there is no explicit information inside just there is address and telephone or fax number. Such source should be removed from Misplaced Pages because of trivial, not addressing Federal court confirming Addis Ababa as Finfinne. MfactDr you might be reluctantly insisted to discuss that doesn't expect from Wikipedians. If you're true Wikipedian, please inspect the article references cautiously. The Supermind (talk) 12:58, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

@The Supermind, So you are saying Oromia supreme court is not reliable? you still want remove finfinne from Oromia State is that right? I have already mention this its from official Government not personal website. original research means in the wikipedia as facts, allegations, and ideas— that is not reliable published sources exist. It also implies Anything that someone make analysis or synthesis of published material that not stated by the sources. In this case “Finfinne” is not original research.

As mentioned before The Oromia government supreme court used Finfinne instead of Addis Ababa, here Oromia supreme court which is found in the source. This means that the Finfinne is officially used by the Government of Oromia state even by the Federal Government here The Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia. and Again here by by Oromia state parliament indicated their Adress at the bottom of website, and Even in President office News Used Finfinne instead of Addis ababa.

If your complaint is on the source, please find other reliable source so that we can compare and add it . other wise just you are not happy with source you would like to add your opinion not acceptable. in other words According Misplaced Pages rule the Facts precede opinions MfactDr (talk) 23:31, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

@MfactDr: Hahaha! Are you saying this source is reliable? That site obviously created by yourself recently. Look at the margin interface. It says "we are created recently" by web spoofing. This is not governmental website because of poor incomplete html syntax– is self-evident for OR. Please don't show me primary sources that is only dependent on Oromo related subjects such as and . Add secondary sources like international outlets, BBC, Al Jazeeria, CNN, and university journals. You're constituently presenting Oromo-related sources such as the latter two links above, written entirely by Oromo language and I didn't understand even if when I use translation software. The Supermind (talk) 06:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

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