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:: Hi Words in the Wind. Just to be clear, I have, added positive additions to the articles of: NDP leader Jagmeet Singh, as well as former Green Party Leader Elizabeth May as far back as Oct 8th 2019. The past few days have been the only time I have posted anything "negative" to any article about any politician ever. So, I don't appreciate the accusation that I'm promoting one party over another. This is certainly not the case. As far as sources are concerned, I added: Global News x 2, the Globe and Mail x 2, McLeans Magazine, the National Post x 2, CNN, Canada.ca x 2, City TV News, the Toronto Sun, and the CBC. Out of the two National Post articles, one of them is from before O'Toole was elected leader of the CPC. Therefore, it is not accurate to suggest that most of the information comes from the National Post as "pressers from O'Toole". I would appreciate, out of respect, for any future discussions to be directed towards the content of the proposed additions.] (]) 22:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
:: Hi Words in the Wind. Just to be clear, I have, added positive additions to the articles of: NDP leader Jagmeet Singh, as well as former Green Party Leader Elizabeth May as far back as Oct 8th 2019. The past few days have been the only time I have posted anything "negative" to any article about any politician ever. So, I don't appreciate the accusation that I'm promoting one party over another. This is certainly not the case. As far as sources are concerned, I added: Global News x 2, the Globe and Mail x 2, McLeans Magazine, the National Post x 2, CNN, Canada.ca x 2, City TV News, the Toronto Sun, and the CBC. Out of the two National Post articles, one of them is from before O'Toole was elected leader of the CPC. Therefore, it is not accurate to suggest that most of the information comes from the National Post as "pressers from O'Toole". I would appreciate, out of respect, for any future discussions to be directed towards the content of the proposed additions.] (]) 22:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
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they are for the covid article (where you also posted the same information)...or perhaps the government article..... but don't see how this is a personal item at all...... many more things that happened. Moxy-22:33, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Here is the proposed addition for this section. I am open to rewording it.
"In May 12 of 2020, the Trudeau government announced it had reached an exclusive deal with CanSino Biologics, a Chinese pharmaceutical company with ties to the NRC. However, due to deteriorating Canadian-Chinese relations, the Cansino deal fell through, leading to criticism that Canada put all of its eggs in the wrong basket. It wasn’t until August 5 2020, that the Trudeau government created a plan to secure doses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. "Peerreviewededitor (talk) 22:17, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
The closure of warehouses of Canada’s National Emergency Strategic Stockpile of PPE is factual, and has been reported by multiple media outlets (see above). I don't believe that burying this information in other articles is appropriate. Right now, the Covid-19 section of this article lacks any of the mistakes made by the government. It reads like a whitewashed campaign ad. Peerreviewededitor (talk) 12:20, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Here is the proposed addition to this section. I am open to rewording it:
"Initially, Canada faced a shortage of personal protective equipment, as the Trudeau government closed several warehouses containing PPE, and the budget to maintain Canada's National Emergency Stockpile System was cut from $73 million in 2014, to $51 million in 2019." Peerreviewededitor (talk) 22:16, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
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Remember, it was Conservative MPs Pierre Poilievre and Michael Barrett that requested an ethics investigation to which the ethics commissioner responded that the allegations are "speculative" and do not provide "a factual basis to support the belief that a contravention" of the Conflict of Interest Act happened. Again, we must avoid inauthentic and electioneering on Misplaced Pages. link to CTV articleWords in the Wind(talk) 16:58, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Here is the proposed addition to this section. I am open to rewording it:
Mr. Trudeau is the de facto commander-in-chief (technically, the Queen of England is the commander in chief, but in practice, she plays no active role in Canadian military operations). As this happened on his watch, this means that Prime Minister Trudeau is responsible and accountable for Canadian military operations, including this evacuation mission.Peerreviewededitor (talk) 12:29, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Sending a transport plane standing room only is not like sending a lifeboat full of people, it is like sending a lifeboat double or more it's capacity. While it does get more people out of Afghanistan, it does come with it's own risks, which is why it's not common practice for the United States. We have worked for the past several days to get family friends out of Afghanistan who worked with the Canadian government, so I understand the concern and we are heartbroken these contacts are now trapped there. But this is a major reach in terms of scandal by Justin Trudeau. Certainly Afghanistan is a serious and complex issue and its rapid fall has been disheartening, but this is not really a Trudeau issue/scandal of note at this point and time and does not look worthy of inclusion to an encyclopedia. Save it for a blog. Words in the Wind(talk) 17:05, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Peerrevieweditor suggestions
I see that Peerrevieweditor has a number of edits requesting the submission of additional complaints or controversies surrounding Justin Trudeau or something that happened while he was in government. Misplaced Pages requires WP:NPOV and during times of an election we must really adhere to this as much as possible. PRE did point out that I am a Liberal supporter, which I am, but I do not actively edit these pages or pages of other political leaders with pro and con edits. I do revert vandalism or other inauthentic edits. I notice that peerreviewededitor has entirely positive edits for past CPC leaders and only negative edits for the Liberal Party of Canada related articles. We must be very careful of inauthentic editing and electioneering not only now on Wikpedia which is an online encyclopedia, but especially during election times. Words in the Wind(talk) 16:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Apologies to Words in the Wind for the thread hijack, but this provides a convenient place to respond to Peerrevieweditors proposals all at once. I think most of the proposals are too much detail for this broad biographical article. Many of the sources provided did not discuss Trudeau's personal involvement. Of them all, I am the most inclined to support adding some criticism of Trudeau's handling of COVID-19. As it stands, the section looks fairly promotional and is unsourced (I am about to add a tag). It would be reasonable to add something like, "Trudeau was criticized for an early lack of PPE, investment in a failed Chinese vaccine partnership, and ", though I'm not sure those are DUE when it comes to RS coverage of Trudeau and COVID. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 17:31, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
It's no hijack, feel free to comment. Those additions seem fine to me, at least a criticism of low stockpiles of PPE. It terms of CanSino, I am not sure how I would write that. Again it seems a little bit speculative, most of the links to this information appear from National Post related articles running pressers from O'Toole. Perhaps it would have to read he was criticized by the opposition or O'Toole of focusing on this vaccine. I am not sure how to focus on it though, since it is complicated. It was a Canada-Chinese cooperative to work on a locally manufactured vaccine that did not prove as effective as Pfizer or Moderna. I am not sure how to put that succinctly or it if fits in the article, but I would leave that up to the other editors. Words in the Wind(talk) 17:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi Words in the Wind. Just to be clear, I have, added positive additions to the articles of: NDP leader Jagmeet Singh, as well as former Green Party Leader Elizabeth May as far back as Oct 8th 2019. The past few days have been the only time I have posted anything "negative" to any article about any politician ever. So, I don't appreciate the accusation that I'm promoting one party over another. This is certainly not the case. As far as sources are concerned, I added: Global News x 2, the Globe and Mail x 2, McLeans Magazine, the National Post x 2, CNN, Canada.ca x 2, City TV News, the Toronto Sun, and the CBC. Out of the two National Post articles, one of them is from before O'Toole was elected leader of the CPC. Therefore, it is not accurate to suggest that most of the information comes from the National Post as "pressers from O'Toole". I would appreciate, out of respect, for any future discussions to be directed towards the content of the proposed additions.Peerreviewededitor (talk) 22:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
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