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	I wonder whether we should include the putative Albanian origin at all. We have the vast majority of sources speaking of Turkish descent. Then, if we want to reason with our head, we known he was born in ] and that his father was from ], that he was not of ''devshirme'' origin, and that he was not the son of a ], but the son of a '']''. We have three sources for the Albanian claim across the board. I am positive that Bozbora does not mention Barbarossa at all. At least that should be removed. The rest are two books by Italian authors. Capponi is derivative of Panzanelli. The latter's is a translation of Heers, in which there is a causal mention, with Heers not providing a modicum of evidence for the claim, nor any analysis whatsoever. I believe it might be a case of ].--] (]) 11:41, 1 September 2021 (UTC)		I wonder whether we should include the putative Albanian origin at all. We have the vast majority of sources speaking of Turkish descent. Then, if we want to reason with our head, we known he was born in ] and that his father was from ], that he was not of ''devshirme'' origin, and that he was not the son of a ], but the son of a '']''. We have three sources for the Albanian claim across the board. I am positive that Bozbora does not mention Barbarossa at all. At least that should be removed. The rest are two books by Italian authors. Capponi is derivative of Panzanelli. The latter's is a translation of Heers, in which there is a causal mention, with Heers not providing a modicum of evidence for the claim, nor any analysis whatsoever. This is an extraordinary claim, and I believe it might be a case of ].--] (]) 11:41, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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&nbsp Sorry, I undertook to fix a talk contrib that was ignorantly dumped at the top off the pg (like on a listserv discussion, instead of immediately *after*, and I made things a little worse in the attempt. I'm undertaking a new currentStatus section at the top of my user page, Jerzy•t —Preceding undated comment added 03:20, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Barbarossa was an ethnic Turk. The April issue of Turkish magazine (http://www.ntvtarih.com) states in the article about him that Barbarossa clearly identifies he's of Turkish origin in the inscription of the mosque that he had financed in Algiers. KaraSipahi (talk) 11:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually his mother was a daughter of a Greek priest, but his father was a Turk.--Cerian (talk) 18:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I seem tobe making a worse mess of this talk pa ge, by trying to fix the damage wrought by a colleague from the "any one can edit Misplaced Pages, biz they tolerate participation by even well meaning yet reckless editors Jerzy•t 02:49, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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Why has this article been whitewashed of all mentions of the barbery slave trade and Hayreddin Barbarossa's enthusiastic and prolific involvement thereof? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.205.231.214 (talk) 14:25, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Should we even include the "Albanian origin"?

I wonder whether we should include the putative Albanian origin at all. We have the vast majority of sources speaking of Turkish descent. Then, if we want to reason with our head, we known he was born in Palaiokipos and that his father was from Giannitsa, that he was not of devshirme origin, and that he was not the son of a janissary, but the son of a sipahi. We have three sources for the Albanian claim across the board. I am positive that Bozbora does not mention Barbarossa at all. At least that should be removed. The rest are two books by Italian authors. Capponi is derivative of Panzanelli. The latter's is a translation of Heers, in which there is a causal mention, with Heers not providing a modicum of evidence for the claim, nor any analysis whatsoever. This is an extraordinary claim, and I believe it might be a case of Misplaced Pages:Verifiable but not false.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 11:41, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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