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Lionel Bryer

and for Lionel Bryer you said what amounts to a keep, but you never quite said keep DGG 06:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I see reason triumphed with keeping LB, for once.User:DGG 07:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it usually does. I just wish I weren't so often the guy feeling like the lone champion of an article that's easily improved. --Dhartung | Talk 07:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

'Just ask, though I may not always have time to find the necessary improvements.'DGG

Request

I did not realize that this wasn't allowed. I apologize. Infomanager 00:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Marija Pavlović

I would ask that you return to the article Marija Pavlović, and then do a simple google on the name without diacritics "Marija Pavolivic" there are over 15,000 ghits in English alone, and even more than that it you use her married name and look in other languages. So, I think we have reached much more than the required WP:BIO for this article. I did, by the way, add to it a bit, fixed the links, and will work on the redlinks therein in the next couple of days. SkierRMH 06:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Military brat

A few months ago, you voted to delete a category:Military brat. It has been reintroduced and once again is being nominated for deletion. The discussion is here. I am contacting you so that you can revisit the discussion, but before doing so please read the article Military brat (U.S. subculture) as the term is not POV and is a highly researched subject. The previous discussion was done before I got involved, but I think you will find out that this is a credible subject worthy of its own category. Balloonman 22:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Adminship

Has anyone ever suggested that you run for Adminship? You're ridiculously qualified and appear to be non-controversial. You're being drafted because we have a lot of backlogs. You can not refuse. - crz crztalk 20:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

My, when you put it that way ... !

As a matter of fact it has been suggested before, and I haven't pursued it because though it would be nice to be able to e.g. close an AFD or RM, I'm leery of all the politics at the other end of the scale. I'm probably uncontroversial because I usually flee edit wars like the plague! Well, that's not entirely true, I have a philosophy that proper NPOV editing and careful article structuring squeezes the air out of a controversy. I do realize I could still keep my head down and be a quiet maintainer and definitely would make myself available for such useful work as is needed.

I will say that definitely, before I take on such a visible role, I believe I'd like to go a tad less cognito and change my username. How is that usually handled, i.e. how often do admins change their names and before or after nomination?

In any event I am duly flattered. --Dhartung | Talk 21:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Username change requests may be filed at WP:CHU. Let me know when you're ready - you'll be a shoo-in. - crz crztalk 06:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Matthew Fletcher

Thank you for your involvement in the discussion of this article's deletion.

However, a new source has become available, as mentioned on the disscusion site, should you wish to reconsider your vote. --Reverieuk 19:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks For Speedy Close

Thank you for the speedy close on the debate for the deletion of my User Page. Just so you know, my User Page is well within the User Page Guidelines (I encourage you to see for yourself), and that Opronc-oB is a sockpuppet of Opronc and Opronc-oA. I am dealing with this User at the moment, so don't worry. Acalamari 23:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh, yeah, I found a bit about that afterward by following your history. De nada. --Dhartung | Talk 00:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

A clarification on WaPo at Talk:Verifiability

Hi, Dhartung thanks for your comments on Talk:Verifiability I notice you said “The fact that Emanuel's father was in Irgun is reported in the WaPo and other sources so can be used; the accusation of participating in particular terrorist acts, though, is not sourced satisfactorily.” I replied there, but as there is so much action on that page watchlisting it doesn’t really tell you if someone responded on your particular thread. After your comment I wrote the following "Actually the Washington Post only says he was a member of 'the pre-independence Israeli underground'. There is a big jump between 'the underground' and a paramilitary force - if you shelter Allied pilots in WWII France your part of the underground, that doesn't mean you took up arms against the Nazis. Had the post mentioned Irgun I would have just deleted the refs and quotes taken from the anti-Semitic blogs and quoted the WaPo about Irgun."--Wowaconia 12:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

My bad memory, then. I had thought there was one such reference. --Dhartung | Talk 16:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

USS Fultons

Would you mind taking your subpages on the various USS Fultons out of the category "United States Navy ships"? They've been sitting there for a while and don't need to be. Thanks. Jinian 17:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear. I had forgotten all about those. At the time I didn't know about the ] dodge, so fixed. And I'll polish them for mainspace shortly. --Dhartung | Talk 17:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:MUSIC is not policy!

Hi, on a recent AFD you said that WP:MUSIC is policy - just thought I'd let you know it's not. It's a criteria guideline, and as such you're perfectly allowed to ignore it (particularly when AFD is supposedly a discussion) :) -137.222.10.67 14:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I know it's a guideline. But read again. I did not say "that WP:MUSIC is policy", I said that one should cite policy in an argument, meaning as opposed to popularity. I'll make a popularity argument at times myself but always in conjunction with a particular policy or guideline. I suppose I should have said "policy or guideline" in that line, but I was trying to be succinct. --Dhartung | Talk 16:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD comment

THANK you for your comment on the The Lee Nysted Experience AfD. You said what I'd been trying to get across far clearer than I've managed to. Hopefully, the SPAs working on that will realize what's going on now. Cheers. Tony Fox (arf!) 06:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Great! I'm glad my pulling my hair out for an hour before replying helped two people, heh. Alas, as usual, they're probably just too close to the subject to get it. --Dhartung | Talk 03:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

update on Violence against academics in post-invasion Iraq

Hi Dhartung,

As you suggested at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of killed, threatened or kidnapped Iraqi academics, I've started a new article at Violence against academics in post-invasion Iraq

GabrielF 02:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Good start. Better title. (I belatedly realized that "academic intimidation" could sound like "academics doing the intimidation" or worse, intimidation that was only "academic" ...) Anyway, although it obviously needs expansion, I think you hit the major points. --Dhartung | Talk 03:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Spiritual Humanism Afd update

I appreciated your vote and comment on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Spiritual Humanism (second nomination), and of course your work at the article. Meanwhile, as original nominator, I think the situation has sufficiently changed to appeal once more to your interest. Kind Regards. — SomeHuman 21 Jan2007 04:11 (UTC)

Reply moved here from above user's talk page:

Hm, personally, I think rebooting the discussion just makes things messy. Additionally there is no reason to vote on the name of the article; let it survive then let the page's interested editors choose a name by consensus. If you think the article should stay you can simply withdraw the nomination. Simplest, cleanest. If you still think consensus is needed, you only have two editors who put in delete votes. --Dhartung | Talk 04:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You've got a point, but I already notified each contributor to the Afd. Furthermore, and seeing 2ct7's assumptions, a simple move might even be proper but could easily cause all kinds of allegations or even an edit-war, and finding consensus amongst a few would probably cause a Requested Move delay. As the Afd contributors are largely aware of the topic and discussion, I think they can now quickly come to a thereafter undisputed title, as deletion is now indeed very unlikely. So, please vote. — SomeHuman 21 Jan2007 04:52 (UTC)

Lee Nysted

NOT EVERYONE AGREES WITH YOUR METHODS MR. DHARTUNG Sometimes the truth is more important than editing skills

Comment by Lee Nysted:

• Quite the assumption, about the two journalists that wrote my article, Mr. Dhartung. The two journalists that wrote the article are to be commended for their works and the due diligence expended to get all the details in, so the article would qualify for publication according to Misplaced Pages guidelines and criteria. Rambling Man indicated what was needed and that has been supplied many times over. The basis for Misplaced Pages, as a resource of information, is getting to the truth rather than throwing it away. A good editor would help to write an article about an artist that works within the framework of this encyclopedia. My work is very real as is the band/ensemble. The Lee Nysted Experience is notable by every standard known to mankind, including Misplaced Pages. The idea of starting out this way on Misplaced Pages, is unfortunate. It is even more unfortunate that editors with less than 6 months of experience here, can and do, destroy the very framework of this organization. Journalists are not required to like the people they write about, nor do journalists have the right to censor the real truth from an encyclopedia.

"This page in a nutshell: Assume that people who work on the project are trying to help it, not hurt it." Is that what you are doing Mr. Dhartung?

This page in a nutshell: Comment on content, not on the contributor. Is that what the rest of the editors are doing, Mr. Dhartung?

• Now back on topic:

The article is in need of some polishing but clearly has what it takes to qualify for entry. I would like my name taken out of salt, and have it directed to this article, please.http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Lee_Nysted 03:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC) -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lee Nysted (talk • contribs).

The closing administrator will decide. I don't think you have much of a shot, personally. Going around insulting and ranting at people is not a way to persuade, I suggest you think about that. --Dhartung | Talk 05:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Good point from Lee Nysted; I agree.

I think the truth should get out, and will get out, eventually. The review, by the way, that was deleted for "copywrite infringement," is owned by my company. It is up on my web site. NystedMusic.com It is a pdf file. There are about 90 reviews available through the links CLEAR put up in the article at hand. I disagree that reviews are now the "end all" to notability. The inclusion of "notable people" is far better, in my opinion.24.13.148.105 16:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Lee_Nysted 16:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Lee, please don't sockpuppet on my Talk page, adding your signature two minutes after the comment. Alas for you, your self-published reviews do not meet our guidelines. Disagree all you want, but when you're on a community site like Misplaced Pages, you are subject to community rules. --Dhartung | Talk 17:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

George Randolph Hearst III

I expanded the article. Perhaps it is worth keeping now. --Eastmain 21:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Death erection cites

Should the "accessdate" for the articles you found (thanks for that!) be 2007? DMacks 19:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Customer experience

Thanks for your support in keeping the Customer experience entry, and the extra work in searching for the word on the New York Times. -- DavidJacques 07:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. There isn't any need to campaign and it can hurt your cause, just so you know. I do have one recommendation, that you explicitly grant Misplaced Pages permission to use your words under the GFDL as your intent seems to be (based on Talk:Customer experience). Go to Misplaced Pages:Example requests for permission and follow the steps to send in a "response" to the permissions e-mail address. This e-mail should come from customerinput.com. Alternatively, you could change the notice on from "Copyright 2005 All Rights Reserved" to "Licensed under the GFDL". This would help to resolve the copyright dispute. It doesn't look to me like you've done anything wrong in putting your own words on Misplaced Pages, but you've created suspicion by using the same words you have elsewhere under copyright. --Dhartung | Talk 07:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. I looked at the page and cannot seem to find the "response" instructions. Perhaps you could suggest where to look? I've also read theeh GFDL information thoroughly, and will consider placing the original text under a GFDL License. I have also started on additional text to make the definition more comprehensive, in the context of competitive differentiation. Kind regards, -- DavidJacques 04:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Antoine MacGiolla Bhrighde

Hi Dhartung, I have added a lot of detail and references regarding the above article since the time you cast your vote on its AfD, I wonder would you like to revist the situation again. Regards --Vintagekits 16:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Diarmuid O'Neill- you may also be interested in this AFD- another non notable IRA member. Astrotrain 22:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)