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== Anti-Iranianism ==
Thanks for notifying me about the AfD. ] 21:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

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Hey

Hey, s'up.. Look, I have the impression that you feel that I have been harassing you for a reason. That's not the case. I was just going to leave another post after I saw that you deleted my post by calling it an accusation. In any case I just wanted to write this since I have a feeling that we might get into a useless edit-war over WP templates and tags. Let's not to do it :)) Why do you think that the Azerbaijani language article shouldn't have a WP Turkey? Look, WP templates doesn't mean that it belongs to Turkey or anything. Only thing that matters is that the subject matter should be related somehow to the WP. And believe me, Azerbaijani language is of great historic and current interest to many subjects relating to Turkey. Don't get the wrong meaning with the WP templates, I will overhaul WP Turkey soon, that's why I am laying the ground by adding these templates. Let me know of what u think. Baristarim 07:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

No problems, it's cool. You should know that the Mediterranean blood sometimes gets the best of me :)) Nothing I ever say is personal, even if we get into arguments.. We are just here trying to make some contributions with what we know, and unfortunately sometimes things get a little bit heated :)) If there is anything that I can help with, or even for simple concerns, feel free to contact me. As for the template thing, I hear what you mean, it is fine.. I am busy this weekend, but I will try to have a look at WP Caucasia later, maybe I will join. In any case, happy editing! Cheers! Baristarim 11:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I won't revert again and I will try to contact Mustafa about it too. I suppose any such discussions can be aboarded in the talk page. However, I hear what you mean about them being connected to Iran's history, no problems :) Baristarim 08:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Scythia

So far as I can tell, it's my edits that are being continually removed. Please have some patience as the question of language which seems to be all-important to somebody will be addressed, but it does not belong in history/archaeology.

Thats just barefact. The language part is not part of history/archeology, it is part of origin. --alidoostzadeh 09:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Masawaiyh

I have only ever seen him referred to as Assyrian, or rather as a Syriac-speaker. To my knowledge Persians of the period did not customarily write in Syriac or Aramaic. If you have access to the Encyclopedia of Islam (which I don't at the moment), I imagine we could clear up the issue fairly swiftly. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 22:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: List of Arab scientists and scholars

Most of my advice to Jidan was generic - ie to discuss as a matter of urgency. Of course, I had looked with some care at the page history, and agree with you tht Jidan shouldn't be making the eidts he is doing against the consensus (which is demonstrated by the fact that more than one editor is reverting him). He is getting close to violating the 3RR rule, and I hope that rather than doing so, he sticks to discussion (the reason I re-protected so uickly ws to attempt to avoid the current edit warring and consensus ignoring). Unfortunately, I have not had time to take a detailed look at the dispute, but if problems continue, I will do so. Martinp23 13:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

WPTR and Fuzuling

Ok, thanks for the tags :) As for the name, it is no problem... Somebody asked me to check it via e-mail ("Fuzuli under attack!"), so I have to admit that I kinda head-dived into it :) I have been editting a range of articles so I wasn't paying much attention.. Cheers! Baristarim 15:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ibn Yunus

Hello! Thanks for taking the time to research the background of Ibn Yunus, it's appreciated. — · 04:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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(1) The source you brought does not agree with your POV (Majus is a derogatory term). if "the term's application nowadays is one of derogatory nature" then bring a source to prove this.

(2) Ibn Yunus's name is ibn Yunus al-Sadafi al-Misri. Whether You Like It or Not, that's his name. I added a source and you deleted it. I can bring alot of other reliable sources that prove that his name is with "al-Sadafi".--Lanov 05:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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You don't know what the tag is used for I am afraid, and calling me disruptive and rude for pointing it out is extremely unfair. Did you read this Misplaced Pages:POV check? I don't think you have. The policy says "The POV check template,

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, may be added to an article which you feel may need to be edited to comply with Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy. Add the template at the top of the article, and then explain your reasons on the talk page of the article that needs checking (not the talk pages of the template or this article)."

Don't worry, I am extremely well aware of how Misplaced Pages works, and I couldn't see anything in the talk page. There needs to be a detailed explanation of the disagreements, otherwise such placement of template is what is disruptive. I hope that you will agree with this? That template as is was used for harrassment of the article instead of some legitimate encyclopedic behavior. Tags without explanations, or talk pages without discussions are grounds for the immediate removal of such tags. Please keep that in mind. Baristarim 06:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

?? Of course you can nominate it, but you have to explain your reasons in a detailed way in the talk page. Read applicable Wiki policies, instead of calling me rude or disruptive. Cut down on the incivility. If the person making the nomination doesn't explain his reasons in the talk page, the tag will be taken down per Wiki policy as pointed out above, is that clear enough? Instead of apologizing and admitting that I actually knew the policy and you didn't, and as such, you falsely accused me of being disruptive and rude, when in fact it was people who were putting it in without any notes on the talk page were disruptive, you left an even nastier note on my talk page! Thanks. Baristarim 06:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Mardavich, See the United Nation's map about regions of the world, there is no region called "Southwest Asia" Zaparojdik (talk · contribs) 20:45, 21 December 2006

Turan & Chupanids articles

Thanks. Instead of edit/revert warring, cooperating is definitely better. Cheers! E104421 12:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Persian Gulf naming dispute

I've decline for the moment as the editor hasnt edited for more than 5 hours, when this situations occurs warn for each edit as its reverted for EL use {{spam2}} {{spam3}} etc. or report at WP:3RR if they dont comply with policies. Gnangarra 13:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Iranica

Dear Mardawich, Ofcourse Iranica can be accepted as a reliable source in many area but not for directly Persian articles.In these case more neutral sources are needed. Regards. Must 19:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Selam

Hey s'up.. See the article's talk page and my note to Khoikhoi's talk page about Fuzuli. If need be, we can continue the discussion in the article's talk page. As for the geography of Turkey, I also left a note at the article's talk page. The current edit was reverted, but I will rewrite it per my note on the talk page so that it will be included. Cheers! Baristarim 05:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Messe

Dear mardawich, I had no any bad intention, see my summary. It seemed to me there is a dublicate there.That is all. Regards. Must 13:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Affected

Yes, "affect" is a more informative word than "derive from". In oxford dictionary "affect" means "have an influence or impression on". "... derived from ..." is a very strong argument. Regards. E104421 15:07, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

template

Why you interested in so much Turkish templates. Do you have special reasons. Follow talk page firstly. Your rv, will be reverted tomorrow, not now. Regards. Must 08:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

"Owning"?. How you conclude it, from my message.? please be reasonable in your edits.See related talk page. Happy new year to you.Must 08:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

1911 Encyclopedia

Dear Mardavich, Islamic culture intimately related with Arabic culture. That's why it's mentioned. Furthermore, Seljuks adopted this culture at the expense of their own. Regards. E104421 17:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

What i'm mentioning is not the Arabic language but the culture, as i wrote above. In academic version of Britannica it's written as "...Because the Turkish Seljuqs had no Islamic tradition or strong literary heritage of their own, they adopted the cultural language of their Persian instructors in Islam...". Regards. E104421 18:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Alright, maybe mentioning all these in a separate section in detail such as Culture of Seljuks is better. Your version is almost ok. Thanks. E104421 11:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Artificial Islands in the Persian Gulf

Salam! Please see: Conflicts over the construction of Artificial Islands in the Persian Gulf. Thanks.Sangak 15:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hey, thanks for trying to keep an eye on that article. I really don't want some anons messing up the article and torpedoing the whole FAC. I am still working on the issue (u know what :)), but any deletion of content by anons on vague POV grounds should be reverted. Thanks for your earlier support btw and happy new year! Baristarim 21:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

New year message

Happy New Year! E104421 13:07, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the reminder about the AfD- although it would be much appreciated if you could respond on my talk page instead. Just so you know, I have changed my opinion. Sr13 (T|C) 04:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD iranwiki

Voted. Mahanchian 21:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Türkiye Portalı

Merhaba geçenlerde Türkiye Portalını seçkin portallara aday gösterdim Misplaced Pages:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Turkey. Fakat bir Vikiproje Türkiye üyesi dışında kimse oy kullanmadı. Gelen karşıt oylarla kabul edilmemiş oldu. Lütfen oyunuzu kullanın.--Absar 12:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Compromise

Thats fine with me.Azerbaijani 19:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Persian Gulf

Please be cautious of your edits at Persian Gulf as I see you have made several reverts to the article recently. If you persist with excessive reversions and disruptive editing, you may be blocked either for WP:3RR or simply disruption. Discuss matters on Talk:Persian Gulf rather than reverting the work of others on sight. -- tariqabjotu 16:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Please quit provoking Ahwaz on his talk page. -- tariqabjotu 23:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I not provoking anyone, I am simply discussing content and citing Misplaced Pages policies, which is entirely within my rights as a user, and user:Ahwaz responds by saying "you are a liar, as well as a stalker and a bully" or that "I can't read English" and you come and warn me? You're an administrator, you should know the WP:NPA policy better than me. Are such comments acceptable to you? If not, then why isn't user:Ahwaz being warned? --Mardavich 23:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
No, I do not believe Ahwaz's comments are acceptable. And yes, I am familiar with WP:NPA, which in part says Frequently, the best way to respond to an isolated personal attack is not to respond at all. I understand it's not just a lone personal attack, but the guy is blocked... there isn't much harm he can do since his talk page is the only place he can post comments. If you stop posting on his talk page, it is very likely he will stop responding. It's as if you're sticking your hand into a lion's cage; you keep doing it even though you know you'll get bitten and even though you can just leave it alone. -- tariqabjotu 23:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you fooling yourself here?

I said the 8 or 9 unique sounds from the total 38 sounds in Armenian is "not found in any of the other" Indo-European languages. Mr. Nersessian is from the New York Academy of Sciences. There is your academic source also. Ararat arev 13:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Mardavich, don't waste precious bytes responding to this bs.-- Ευπάτωρ 14:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Please see my posts about the specifics of the subject. I spent time in good faith finding sources and rewriting that intro, there is no anti-X going on, believe me. My specific posts about the article are on that link I gave you.. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me. Cheers! Baristarim 14:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I made a new edit in keeping consistency with the sources cited about its timeline, please have a look and tell me what you think. Maybe that clarification will help. Thanks Baristarim 14:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Mardavich, I need your help here. I spent a lot of time in good faith rewriting that intro, and Pejman reverted to the previous version. Can you take a look at my latest version and the reverted version? My latest version was very precise and academic, and I tried to address your concerns. However, it is really not fair that my additions are reverted just like that. I made those edits in real good faith and was trying to address the particular concerns. What do you think? Cheers Baristarim 16:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:History of Iran

Hi, Mardavich. This template is getting wider and wider in such a way that it starts cluttering the articles. Could you make it compact or esoteric as i did to Template:Equipment of the Turkish Navy? Cheers! E104421 18:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

History of Iran:POV

Salam.

Ma momkene ba ham dar bazi mavared ektlaf dashte bashim vali ensafan in bakhsh History of Iran#Iran after arrival of Islam kheili bad neveshte shode. Man tu safhe bahsesh ham tozih dadam mitunam saatha ba har ki ham ke mokhalefe bahs konam. Man Shu'ubiyya ra mifahmam. Talash Iraniha baraye khuruje az solte arabha ra qabul daram vali in talash dar goftomane syasie qurun 1 ta 7 hejri emkan buruz melligarayane ya qeyr islami nadashte. In che esrarie ke ma tarikh ra baeinake emruz motalee konim. Samanian hamishe be khalife vafadar budand va ba saffarian va alavian mijangand, har chand be sheddat be zaban va rusum parsi ahammiat midadand. Buyian har chand zeidi budand va baqdad ra ham migirand vali bish az anke ehyaye sonnathaye irani karde bashand ashura ra ehya kardand. In zartoshti ha nabudand ke tahte hakemiate Buian azadie tarvije aqide peyda kardand balke Shiayan budand. Bad ham iranihaye sunni dar zaman saljuqian mesle khaje nezam va qazali az hich talashi baraye taqviate mashruiate khelafate forugozar nakardand va agar anha be dade khelafate abbasi nemiresidand shayad kheili zudtar az beyn miraft. Khorsan az qarn 2 ta 7 yeki az marakeze asli ahle sonnat bude. Aslan man nemikham davari konam ke khub bude ya na migam chera enqadr iraniha tarikh ra tahrif mikonand.--Sa.vakilian 19:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Akhe in karha ba kare unke khalije fars ra khalij arabi mige ya unke "Islamic conquest of Afqghanistan" jal mikone va kheilihaye dige hich farqi nadare. Kare bad, bade hatta agar be nafe ma bashe.--Sa.vakilian 19:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Turco-Persian

The term is actually used in reference to India's Moghols and others who were ethnically Turkic, but culturally Persian, and hence Turko-Persian. I think you're pretty knowledgeable on history-related issues and you can help improve articles that are related to Iranian history, if you stopped being impatient and expecting perfection when you are in a dispute with other users. Ageh saboor bashi o araam, vaa baa in modirha injaa kal kal nakoni vaa atoo dasteshon naadi, hameh chiz rou misheh ba siaasat dorost injaa hal kard. --Mardavich 14:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mardavich. Thanks for the inputs and rāhnemāehā. May I ask your citation(s) for the Turko-Persian term with reference to Mughals of India. Reagrds Surena 17:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


Persianate Template

Do you think we should have a Persianate template that we could place in related articles?Azerbaijani 19:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No! --Mardavich 20:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Its not based on ethnicity, is it? From what I read on the Persianate article, its just about societies that adopted a certain culture.Azerbaijani 21:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Huseyincan Celil

In no way does WTA apply here. Celil is considered a terrorist by three governments. Therefore, per the explanation on Category:Designated terrorist organizations and common sense, the category should stay. Please read what it says on C:Dto before responding. KazakhPol 05:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

User:NisarKand

Thanks for reverting NIsarKand's POV. COuld you please also have a look at the articles Ghurids, Ghaznavids, Kandahar, Zahir Shah, and Hammasa Kohistani, where he pushes for his unsourced POV?! (He was even claiming that the "Ottoman Empire invaded Afghanistan in the 12th century" and that the "Ghaznavids were Turks from Turkey" ... His knowledge is way below the common standard in Misplaced Pages; yet, he still pushes for that POV).

Tājik 19:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Huseyincan Celil

Why do you keep on removing the fact that he was convicted of terrorism? It's not like this is debatable... this is all sourced. You also do not seem to understand WTA. WTA means the stating that he is a terrorist, not that he has been convicted of terrorism. Also, Category:Designated terrorist organizations overrules anything in WTA. Please read the explanation on Category:Designated terrorist organizations. KazakhPol 21:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Please subst warning templates

When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:test}} instead of {{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. Will (Talk - contribs) 05:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Re Template:Greater Iran

Hi Mardavich,

I have heard that you're a template expert, do you think you can tidy up Template:Greater_Iran?

Have a modified format for the header and list of dynasties, but see the template is currently in a state of flux; will hold back, therefore, until it becomes quieter. Hope that's okay. Yours, David Kernow (talk) 10:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
PS Not an expert, just accumulating a bag of tricks!

Can you upload your format now? ...
I'll take a look a little later on. Regards, David (talk) 17:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Have now tinkered with the template. I (and I reckon other folk) would prefer the previous line-spacing, but, since the template now uses a table to format the dates, I'm not sure how or whether this is possible. I've noticed before that trying to set a line-spacing below 100% always seems to produce the same result; see the current User:David Kernow/Template:History of Iran for an example. I'll see if any of the properly-technical folk I've met here can enlighten me.
Meanwhile, you may've already noticed that I've also left an observation on the template's talkpage; to paraphrase it a little more frankly, I have the feeling that those people who know something about the subject and have been contributing to the template may've lost sight of Misplaced Pages's role as a general encyclopedia...
Best wishes, David (talk) 10:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
PS I'm also inclined to agree with E104421's comment above; the template would shrink if the dates were removed as the current line-spacing situation would no longer pertain and more than one link could appear per line.

Khorasani Turkish Language and Khorasani-Turk Autonomy Flag

Please see: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Khorasani Turkish language Surena 12:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Blasphemy_laws_of_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran#POV

Please reason at Talk:Blasphemy_laws_of_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran#POV.--Patchouli 06:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Islamic state

Please cite sources and don't say it is a common definition.--Patchouli 06:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Self-linking

Dear Mardavich Although I understand the reason behind self-linking not being permitted, I'd suggest you look at the history of the pages on the Cyrus Cylinder and Cyrus the Great. Both subjects have been the subject of fierce discussions, as the subjects have been used by modern-page propagandists. Propaganda can best be countered by quoting sources, and for that reason a team of scholars has put online a transcript and a translation, carefully proofread. It's on my site, and not even the propagandists have removed this self-linking. The UN-press release I've linked to, is also vital, because it illustrates the other side. If you know another way of presenting the sources, feel free to link to that web page; but for the time being, I propose to keep the link. Jona Lendering 01:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Al-Munthir

Thanks for the heads up. :-) Check out what I've wrote at Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Al-Munthir. Khoikhoi 22:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Mohammad Reza Tavassoli

There should be at least one external links that mentions him.--Patchouli 01:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: block-evading IP

He's only reverted twice so far, so I don't that that justifies semi-protection at this point. Let's see if it gets any worse. Khoikhoi 06:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, check it out: someone listed Freddie Mercury on WP:LAME! Khoikhoi 07:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

iran 1989 present

Baradar, article concerning 1989 takes up very important issues that need to be clarified. We dont get to hear the "truth" often in the real media at least we have this. Its important to know about the millions of refugees, the earthquakes, about ahmadinejads statemants, about things that are actually said and things that then becomes "interpreted" and "exploited" by some, in order for our brothers and sisters in Iran to get bombs rained on them again, here people at least can read what is actually going on and said and then make a decision of their own. Aghalan bezar yek modati bashi va lotfan pakesh nakon ba sepas User talk:cyrus111

Re:

Check this out Wiki Page Protection. Surena 17:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Surena 18:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

hi

It is enabled since you have asked me. Regards. Fad (ix) 18:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Anti-Iranianism

I'm sorry. My deletion of that comment was the completely accidental result of an edit conflict. GabrielF 19:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Iranianism

Thanks for notifying me about the AfD. Agha Nader 21:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader