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Capitalizing Go

Please join discussion here. Thank you. Coastside (talk) 14:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Four Go Houses

Hi - Were you the editor who moved Honinbo into Four Go Houses? It seems that almost all useful contents was lost, and that Four Go Houses is incomplete now, and contains modern stuff unrelated to its title. I don't know where to find the original contents but other language WP still have some of the desired detail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:980:3FF4:1:B62E:99FF:FE4C:71C3 (talk) 16:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

I recommended a merger of the four articles back in 2019.

If you're new to Misplaced Pages, you can look at the page history of a redirect as follows. Click on this link (Inoue house) and you'll be taken via the redirect to Four go houses. Near the top you'll see in small text "Redirected from Inoue house". Click that link and you'll go to the actual redirect. Hit the "history" tab at the very top to see a list of all previous revisions of the page--- select the one just before I did the merge, and you'll see the content you were after. Same goes for the other three houses.

Otherwise, the tables you're looking for are all on Sensei's Library and I rather suspect they were originally copied here from there. In my opinion, as a specialised and focused encyclopedia, that is probably a better place for this kind of content than Misplaced Pages anyway.

The problem with the content as it stood was that none of it was sourced properly. Misplaced Pages's rules about verifiability are strict for good reasons and, and unfortunately user-generated content from another Wiki isn't permitted. We'd need to see this stuff in a reliable secondary source before we could include it here.

I'm not, in principle, opposed to a big table at Four go houses listing all the house heads, so long as it's properly sourced and there's enough other prose around that the big huge table doesn't dominate the whole article (as a matter of good style). And I completely agree with you that the article needs a lot of work, particularly around the Honinbo situation.

I hope this helps, and if I was still unclear about something feel free to ask. Reyk _YO! 18:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

See discussion at here. I found the list. It's here. The reason it's hard to find, is because the page on Honinbo was merged and moved several times, with various diacritic spellings. I had to follow the thread a bit to find it.Coastside (talk) 19:20, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not just talking about the naming and diacritics issues, but also the situation about the Honinbo name turning from the name of a house into the name of a tournament. Need to think about how to handle that. Reyk _YO! 19:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, WP knows about disambiguation, so Honinbo (house) and Honinbo (tournament) can be distinguished. There is a lot of material that belongs under the heading Honinbo, and not more than half belongs under Four Go Houses. The current Four Go Houses article is of very low quality. Progress would be to split it into Honinbo house, Inoue house, Yasui house, Hayashi house and delete Four Go Houses. Move post-1940 data to Honinbo (tournament). Concerning diacritics, English tends to avoid them. When spelling foreign languages that use them it can be a matter of correctness. But for Japanese this would just be a random convention. Books like Iwamoto's "The 1971 Honinbo Tournament" do not use diacritics. Concerning sourcing of this data, there is for example Bozulich's "The Go Player's Almanac 2001" where page 64 lists the heads of the houses, and also the holders of the office of Meijin Godokoro. Concerning the four houses as a topic, that is something that requires a sentence or two at a place that discusses Go in the Edo era, not a separate article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:980:3FF4:1:B62E:99FF:FE4C:71C3 (talk) 16:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Nine years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• Hello there Gerda! It's been a while. How have you been? Reyk _YO! 08:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-apology

Ok so a semi-apology for my comments at WT:WPM: I am certain that I could have found a more collegial way to express myself, and I should have invested the effort in doing that -- sorry. --JBL (talk) 13:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

• Hey, no problem. On re-reading my initial comment I agree that what I intended as hyperbole "you need a feckin PhD to deal with this" didn't really come across the way I intended. Reyk _YO! 13:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)