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Thanks for adopting my suggestions

Re In the news, thanks for agreeing that the significant news should lead, in this particular case, five students being killed. Also, thanks for deleting the figure 10 but I notice you nevertheless still insisted in the edit summary 10 "*is* the total number of victims". In the interests of accuracy, let me point out that our article says five died and five were critical. Right, but that does not mean 10 were shot. In fact, the article says three were admitted to Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, four to Children's Hospital in Philadelphia and one to Christiana Hospital in Delaware. Add the three who died at the school, and that doesn't equal 10. I am puzzled why you would think it illogical to mention students and hostages when students were in a hostage situation, but never mind, it reads ok now. Moriori 07:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:Proposed

Fine with me. Do you think we should add a link to DDV or such? >Radiant< 13:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Main Page Vietnam

Can you help me ? to insert link interwiki Vietnam: vi:Trang chính into main page of English . Thank you a lot ! NTT Vietnam

In the news chronological order

Hi David. I saw that you put the chess item up on ITN. Thanks for that. Unfortunately, the next few edits suceeded in messing up the chronological order. In the editing window it is currently labelled as "12 October", when in fact it should be "13 October". Would you be able to fix this? The relevant edits are you added it, P. F. Lai incorrectly changes date and chronological order and removes picture. There was then a sequence where Golbez added stuff that was already there, and then reverted. You then removed it, and The Tom added it back... Did you remove the chess item because it was near the bottom (I note it wasn't right at the bottom), or because you wanted to avoid more than one sports entry? What do you think about restoring the chess item to where it originally was (above the Moon entry), and letting it fall off the page naturally as more items come in? I wouldn't normally quibble about things like this, but P. F. Lai changing the date it was added (even though I'm sure it was a genuine mistake) seemed to have had (or will soon have) the effect of accelerating it falling off the template, which seems a bit unfair. Carcharoth 12:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Please ignore the above. P. F. Lai has acknowledged and corrected the mistake. Carcharoth 13:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Response

My script is in the process of correcting this by replacing "tl" with "tlu" so the links work properly. PoccilScript 01:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:Test

The "it" is wholly unnecessary. It basically reminds people that we're referring to the subject of the sentence (the test), which was already established three words earlier. We can lose that comma as well. -- Steel 20:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I ran this past a few (British) people who know more about these kind of things than I do and they said that both versions (with and without the it) are acceptable. If it's incorrect in American English without the it then it's probably best to leave it in, considering British English doesn't seem to mind which is used. -- Steel 23:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism

I've given them one last warning, since that appears to be standard practice. At this rate, though, they'll be the first person I've ever had to block in my nearly three years of being a sysop at various wikis. It really puzzles me that they'd make many productive edits at Misplaced Pages yet treat Meta the way they do. Anyways, thanks for keeping an eye on things, and I'll be checking back on them periodically. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 07:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Language template

I am disappointed that once again Raul has cut the Language template at Template:Wikipedialang which you had lengthened to the satisfaction of a number of other language Wiki users. I cannot understand his constant vendetta. The template has already been massively reduced. Why do key up and coming non-Western languages have to be excluded? Tfine80 19:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, you recently reverted my improvements on WP:IAR. These are not major changes; they are simply explanations and clarifications. Please talk to me if you have any issues with the minor useful additions I am making, and I will accommodate it into the article. Also, please allow me more time before reverting; it is very distributive in my contributions. Reply back on this talk page and I will respond promptly. Thank you.

Hi, it's me again. If you were to create an account, you could have a Sandbox where you could work on some drafts of the article and present this on the Wikipedia_talk:Ignore_all_rules. By working in your own sandbox, nobody would disturb you during your edits and you can make interesting and perhaps innovative changes which could possibly be disruptive if carried out on the actual article. Heligoland 14:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe you are being far too cautious. If you allow me the time to work, you will find that I have done nothing disruptive. Please revert the article back. Please also read Talk.

The decision is now out of my hands. It's up to David, what with him being an admin and all. My only concern is that users visiting WP:IAR might arrive to find an article which is in the middle of your facelift process. As I've said, I'm most satisfied that your not vandalising and what I'm about to say clearly isn't your intention, but without discussing your changes on the talk page, you run the risk of posting material which is not accurate and which could mislead anybody reading it. As something like WP:IAR is an important rule and guideline for Misplaced Pages, any changes need to be agreed upon and any future versions of the page need to be proof read before going live. Best Wishes Heligoland 15:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

"your facelift process."

• Please read the "Always leave something undone" at http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/Rules_to_consider in responds to your comment. Please also read the talk guidelines, the part where they speak about being courteous to Wiki users.

"Without discussing your changes on the talk page, you run the risk of posting material which is not accurate and which could mislead anybody reading it."

• This is a risk of the entire Misplaced Pages project, but I'm sure you, being an admin and all, could understand that.

"any changes need to be agreed upon"

• Of course, though the additions I am making are not changing the policy, and are therefore not violating anything.

"and any future versions of the page need to be proof read before going live"

• This is a false statement. Users have improve and made changes without having every single edit discussed. Check the history to see for yourself, please.

Again, you are being far too cautious, and I hope I hear from you quickly. Thank you again.

Your changes to the page (which is not an "article") are far from minor. Several of your ideas (adding the word "discourage," placing the entire policy in a "nutshell" box, significantly expanding the page's length) have been rejected by the community. You also have failed to follow our style guide. (In particular, some of your headings were incorrectly formatted.)

As I advised (and the page itself advises), please propose these revisions on the talk page before proceeding.

As Heligoland noted, it generally isn't a good idea to experiment on active pages (by saving changes and seeing what requires "fixing"). Please use the "Show preview" button (and attempt to arrive at a working version) before pressing the "Save page" button. Heligoland also was correct in stating that a sandbox would be useful in this situation. You could experiment to your heart's content and present the results to the community when you're ready. If you'd like, I'd be happy to create a sandbox for you.

Heligoland was incorrect in implying that administrators (including me) possess the authority to overrule the editorial decisions made by other editors. My reversion of the page (performed without the special "rollback" function afforded to sysops) carried no more weight than Heligoland's. It was not an administrative act, but it did reflect my knowledge of the community and its procedures.

Your latest message on my talk page (posted as I was typing the above) seems to be based upon the mistaken impression that Heligoland's most recent reply was written by me. You also incorrectly claimed that you "are not changing the policy." In fact, you added a word ("discourage") that alters the policy's meaning in a manner rejected by the community.

I disagree with your implication that you've been treated discourteously. Heligoland has politely attempted to assist you (as I'm doing now).

On an semi-related note, please sign your posts on talk pages. Please also be more patient before declaring that a "mistake" has been made and falsely implying that a dispute has been mutually resolved. It took a while for me to type this reply. Thank you. —David Levy 15:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Your changes to the page (which is not an "article") are far from minor. Several of your ideas (adding the word "discourage," placing the entire policy in a "nutshell" box, significantly expanding the page's length) have been rejected by the community. You also have failed to follow our style guide. (In particular, some of your headings were incorrectly formatted.)

As I advised (and the page itself advises), please propose these revisions on the talk page before proceeding.

As Heligoland noted, it generally isn't a good idea to experiment on active pages (by saving changes and seeing what requires "fixing"). Please use the "Show preview" button (and attempt to arrive at a working version) before pressing the "Save page" button. Heligoland also was correct in stating that a sandbox would be useful in this situation. You could experiment to your heart's content and present the results to the community when you're ready. If you'd like, I'd be happy to create a sandbox for you.

Heligoland was incorrect in implying that administrators (including me) possess the authority to overrule the editorial decisions made by other editors. My reversion of the page (performed without the special "rollback" function afforded to sysops) carried no more weight than Heligoland's. It was not an administrative act, but it did reflect my knowledge of the community and its procedures.

Your latest message on my talk page (posted as I was typing the above) seems to be based upon the mistaken impression that Heligoland's most recent reply was written by me. You also incorrectly claimed that you "are not changing the policy." In fact, you added a word ("discourage") that alters the policy's meaning in a manner rejected by the community.

I disagree with your implication that you've been treated discourteously. Heligoland has politely attempted to assist you (as I'm doing now).

On an semi-related note, please sign your posts on talk pages. Please also be more patient before declaring that a "mistake" has been made and falsely implying that a dispute has been mutually resolved. It took a while for me to type this reply. Thank you. —David Levy 15:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. It would be nice if I know what to call you. I'm Nick, by the way. Just a couple of notes to add to this before I disappear for a little bite to eat. I'm not an administrator but I don't feel comfortable reverting an edit made by an administrator. David has been approved by the Misplaced Pages community, we believe David to have the knowledge and attitude to maintain Misplaced Pages and for him to make such decisions is, in my opinion, more legitimate than any edits made by myself, someone who has been approved by nobody. I know that I could, if I so choose, revert any of the edits made by any of the administrators today to the article, but I would not feel comfortable with this and I will now retire from this discussion totally. I would say, in a parting note, that although you aren't changing policy, the wording on pages can be ambigious and I, as a Scottish editor may interpret something differently to an English, American, Canadian or Australian editor, due to variances in the English language. That's why it's important, in my opinion, that edits to important rules and guidelines are agreed in advance by the community here, where opinion can be solicited from the wider community and where any ambiguity can be spotted in advance and worked out.

I don't feel I am being too cautious, WP:IAR is an important rule and I feel that any edits to the page need to be double checked before the page goes live. Anyway, must dash. Best Wishes Heligoland 16:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinions. I also thank you for acknowledging that I am not changing policy, but there will always be those that disagree. "The wording on pages ambigious" and that is more reason for me to improve it, and if others disgree with certain words I retrieve directly from Jimbo and official policies themselves, they can always talk with me. I am very open, and am glad to see that others have contribute without the difficulty that I am having to deal with.

I am still waiting for David to make a reply (which is talking forever), and I could be working on WP:IAR as we speak. Well, Have fun eating!128.226.160.124 17:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Problems you have:

"(adding the word "discourage," "You also incorrectly claimed that you "are not changing the policy." In fact, you added a word ("discourage")..."

• Please read: Misplaced Pages:Simplified_Ruleset
• It states, "Ignore all rules - if the rules discourage you from improving or maintaining Misplaced Pages's quality, ignore them."
• Therefore, it is not a "claim," it is a reality.

"...that alters the policy's meaning in a manner rejected by the community."

• You see, now this is a claim-- a false claim.

"...have been rejected by the community."

• User:xaosflux was helping; he/she did not reject it nor have any other besides yourself.

"(In particular, some of your headings were incorrectly formatted.)"

• We all make mistakes.
• Please read Misplaced Pages:Assume_good_faith

& DO Not Bite.

• Also, please give me the specifics you are talking about.

"You also have failed to follow our style guide."

• Failed is a harsh word. Please read WP:Civility & WP: Etiquette.

"As I advised (and the page itself advises), please propose these revisions on the talk page before proceeding."

• The page does not advise that.

"Please use the "Show preview" button (and attempt to arrive at a working version) before pressing the "Save page" button."

• That sounds like a solid idea. Will do.

"You could experiment to your heart's content"

• I am not "experimenting;" this is how I work and if you have an issue with that, then it is your own fault, and I am sad that you cannot understand and respect how other people, who are not you, contribute to Misplaced Pages. As I had stated, I will use the "Show preview" button next time, but that doesn't mean you had to revert it again.

"Heligoland was incorrect in implying that administrators (including me) possess the authority to overrule the editorial decisions made by other editors."

• Of course not, admins are equal to any other users on Misplaced Pages, no worse, no better.

"Please also be more patient before declaring that a "mistake" has been made and falsely implying that a dispute has been mutually resolved"

• Have not stated a "mistake." It was "appears to have been a mistake," as he can properly see from the history page.

That should be a detailed reply to yours. Hopefully, it will bring a bit of reason and clarification to you. 128.226.160.124 16:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC) Look! I signed. But will not sign everything as it is not needed, nor does it violate any policies.

Quick reply before reading what you stated. Please feel free to write and edit anything on the WP:IAR! Thank you very much!

Replied on my user talk. See.

Please also go to the Wikipedia_talk:Ignore_all_rules where I have started a topic for people who ave problems with the improvements.

Adding "Contents" to Main Page

Hi, David. Does anything else need to happen before Misplaced Pages:Contents can be added to the Main Page? Rfrisbie 03:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Featured articles on main page

Can you tell me how I can view the article on the main page. I want to write a featured article. Well, Can administrators only write the featured articles on the main page. Sushant gupta 14:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

umm

I was saying "hello" to someone I know. I understand this is still permitted; do correct me if I am in error. — Dan | talk 03:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Because I know the person. I can instruct him as necessary and direct him to the relevant tutorial pages if need be. The labelling of my comment with the "unsigned" template was sanctimonious and unnecessary. Though I daren't go as far as to ask that you assume good faith, I would appreciate some degree of decency in questioning or reversing my actions. Good grief. — Dan | talk

In response to No. 1, I thought I had done that above, in particular in the part which read "I can instruct him as necessary and direct him to the relevant tutorial pages if need be." If not, here goes again: I can instruct him as necessary and direct him to the relevant tutorial pages if need be.

With regard to No. 2, perhaps you might have asked me what I was doing. I've been around a while; I should hope it's not generally feared that I might turn vandal at any moment, unless my every action not be scrutinized carefully. I apologize, humbly etc., for having 'left you scratching your head', though I maintain that a simple note, giving me the opportunity to clarify, would have been more in order.

I am curious, in any case, how your piercing gaze attenuated itself to this particular talk page. This user has done nothing of significance. There's no reason to think I would pick a new user out of the blue to confuse and harass. I am, as you seem to have been before, thoroughly mystified at your outraged response to my entirely insignificant action. — Dan | talk 05:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't really concerned about how anyone would know why I'd done it, as I did not expect in the least that anyone would care. I removed the welcome message because it treats the user as a fourth-grader, what with patronizing diction and a photograph of a cupcake. I did not wish my friend, an intelligent adult, to be put off by this impression of Misplaced Pages. The edit summary is apparently an automatic thing; in fact I left the edit summary box blank.

Also, I don't know if you meant to suggest it, but by no means do I deserve the assumption of good faith more than anybody else simply because of who I am. I should hope you treat everyone else with more dignity than you did me. — Dan | talk 05:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I have little regard for the "general rule" and doing what's "proper" when the reasons for doing such are not relevant to the situation; nor do I care about this issue enough to continue arguing about it. I beg pardon for having wasted your time. — Dan | talk 06:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

This page is 293 kilobytes long.

I'm not sure what problem you're trying to solve here. If I create a redirect, what is the point in calling deliberate attention to the fact that I was too lazy to type an edit summary explaining it? As for vandalism, if one vandal sees another vandal's edit summary and already knows that it's automatic, then the he'll probably type something uninformative to prevent it from taking effect. Furthermore there are vandalism reversion bots that depend on the edit summaries as previously written, for hints when looking for stuff to revert. Additionally the extra byte clutter results in fewer spaces being available for the informative text. The default wasn't broken, so I really have no idea why you would change it. —freak(talk) 08:33, Nov. 17, 2006 (UTC)

All vandalism is "deliberate", unless it's accidental. However, some vandalisms are more serious than others. For example, replacing a page with "FUCKKKKKK" is more serious than adding '''Bold text''' at the bottom. Eventually there will be more complex autosummaries, but they will be useless if anybody watching recent changes (which includes a non-trivial portion of vandals) is constantly reminded to circumvent them. —freak(talk) 08:49, Nov. 17, 2006 (UTC)

Because they're not looking at their own edits. I thought I'd explained that. —freak(talk) 09:05, Nov. 17, 2006 (UTC)

Actually it was done 4 days ago . I can see your concern about lack of administrator awareness, however. Assuming it were feasible to immediately inform all administrators of every software change, would you consider it a bad thing for there awareness to remain a step ahead of vandals' awareness (even if only for a short while, after which everyone will have figured it out). I would strongly consider asking the developers to add an "admin-sitenotice" or somesuch, if it helps keep the WP:BEANS from being spilled everytime a clever, ground-breaking new feature is added. —freak(talk) 09:41, Nov. 17, 2006 (UTC)

The quality of your arguments has nothing to do with my biological need for sleep. That aside, if our goal is awareness, please examine my changes to the following pages and tell me if you see them as a suitable alternative to polluting the individual edit comments:

• MediaWiki:Histlegend
• MediaWiki:Summary

P.S. You have not archived your talk page in 14 months. —freak(talk) 00:30, Nov. 18, 2006 (UTC)

Alas, I've been reverted . Assuming we can use a less verbose message on that page (and use the past-tense edit summaries), would that be an acceptable compromise, or would I be giving an inch to lose a mile? —freak(talk) 00:57, Nov. 18, 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I'm being too analytical, but I think if I was a new user, "page was blanked" is an observation I would make when restoring its content (reverting the blanking) rather than when actually blanking it. I think "blanked the page" would be better. —freak(talk) 01:16, Nov. 18, 2006 (UTC)

As for the pseudo-section link, if the MediaWiki:Histlegend refers specifically to the symbol used, a link shouldn't be necessary. Also, please be aware that numerical character entity references will not be properly unicodified in edit summaries, so it would be necessary to use a literal arrow, or whatever symbol is being used. —freak(talk) 01:26, Nov. 18, 2006 (UTC)

I assume then, that you intend to use the WP:AES shortcut for just that purpose. Better do some brainstorming and make sure there's not anything else it might stand for, and probably better protect the redirect as well. —freak(talk) 01:39, Nov. 18, 2006 (UTC)

look okay? Hopefully we are done dealing with this issue now. —freak(talk) 01:56, Nov. 18, 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks for taking care of the troll vandalizing our user pages. They really are a pain in a Wikipedian's side. (Iuio 06:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

Did you hear? The troll has finally ben blocked. Let's hope he does not vandalize again. (Iuio 06:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

Consensus on Main Page links

I forgot all about this thread. I concur with the proposal to remove the searching link and add the contents link.

Talk:Main Page/Archive 82#Proposal: add one or more of these links to the main page

I guess all that's left is for the change to be made. Will you do that please?  The Transhumanist 03:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Done.  :-) —David Levy 04:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!  The Transhumanist 04:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Considering bugzilla request for "Complete list" feature

Hi. Thanks again for your involvement in putting "Complete list" at the bottom of the interwikis on the English Main Page. I'm considering putting in a bugzilla request for a feature to allow something like that to be easily done on any page. See meta:Meta:Babel "# 19 Suggestion re handling long interwiki (interlanguage) lists". What do you think? --Coppertwig 13:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Recent Changes...

...made to KYW-TV, WABC-TV, WCBS-TV, WNBC-TV, WNYW, and WWOR-TV need to be explained further. Until then, I've reverting these articles back to their previous versions. Rollosmokes 18:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous. First, there's A Man in Black with his "anti-image gallery" crusade...now this. Everyone who writes for a living KNOWS that single-digit numbers are written as WORDS, not as numbers. And, if Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an "online encyclopedia", then perhaps we should practice the same stylistic protocol as printed encyclopedias. Newspapers write single-digits numerically to save precious space. Encylopedias are written differently. So, to say that "channel nine" and "Nine Broadcast Plaza" is NOT CORRECT is a load of crap, regardless of what the Manual of Style says. Rollosmokes 06:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

This is what happens when you have a kid in charge. Are you a professional writer? Probably not. Still, this nitpicking is sickening. Misplaced Pages is coming very close to that "No-Fun Zone" for me, as those of us who wish to make professional contributions are being stymied by those who whish to enforce their silly doctrines. Rollosmokes 16:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

How are my comments "uncivil"? I didn't use profanity or any other kind of threatening language. Nor do I practice WP:OWN, as you falsely claim. I am all about accuracy and professionalism. And, that goes for my opinion on how single-digit numbers should be written.

As we did with the whole "UPN vs. United Paramount Network" thing several months back, I guess we'll agree to disagree.

And, one more thing: read the Chicago Manual of Style. Then see if Misplaced Pages (and you) are right after all. Rollosmokes 06:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, perhaps Misplaced Pages should follow the Chicago Manual or some other OFFICIAL style guide, rather than attempt to make up its own unilaterally. I am a semi-professional writer, my wife is a professional writer, we have friends who write for a living...and all agree with me on the single-digit number thing. And, speaking of which, it wasn't a problem initially when I introduced this. Only now is it a problem, and for you.

I offer this quote, from the Penguin Handbook, second edition:

In formal writing spell out any number than can be expressed in one or two words, as well as any number, regardless of length, at the beginning of a sentence. Also, hyphenate two-word numbers from twenty-one to ninety-nine.

In scentific reports and some business writing that requires the frequent use of numbers, using numerals more often is appropriate. Most styles do not write out words in year, a date, an address, a page number, the time of day, decimals, sums of money, phone numbers, rates of speed, or the scene and act of a play. Use numerals instead.

MLA, Chicago Style, and APA ALL utilize this format, which I adhere to completely. There is some wiggle room, but generally we stick to it.

Next...I am at least ten years older than you are. That, my friend, makes you a kid as far as I'm concerned. And, in this case, I can't take you seriously because you have much to experience. You probably just got out of high school, whereas I already have been down the college road on which you're currently travelling, and I learned from that experience. I am a completely different writer now than I was when I was your age. Some advice -- get some experience in the real world first before wholly susbscribing to a certain philosophy, technical or otherwise.

Lastly, I don't have to answer your trivial Encyclopedia Brittanica/Chanel No. 5/1-Naphthylamine comments because they're moot as far as this issue goes. Rollosmokes 08:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Automatic edit summaries

Hi there; I have come to your page because the edit summary of the automatic edit page lists you as first contributor. If this is not so, please tell me and I'll go away. There are now several questions posted on the talk-page of this article, several, although not all, from me. Is it possible to get some answers to them?--Anthony.bradbury 00:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hi there; OK, thanks, I'll chase Andrew up.--Anthony.bradbury 01:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

My Reverts to WNBC

I did not realize I was removing valid edits when I reverted others, and that is my fault. Sorry about that to you and everyone else in the Misplaced Pages community. aido2002 04:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I know, I just felt like I should say something.aido2002 04:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem! aido2002 04:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Asher

Most of our back-and-forth with Asher is archived to User talk:Asher Heimermann/ArchiveA; we've been cutting him a huge amount of slack for several days now. I like the kid, he's like an eager puppy who honestly wants to help out. Thanks for posting that note to his page; I hope he takes it to heart. -- Jim Douglas _(contribs) 04:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Funny thing is that I asked for him to be blocked on AIV twice, and was told to leave him alone - he was just a kid. So a few minutes after his last warning he's back to welcoming new users - so much for being co-operative. Earlier today, I joined Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Fire Service to do something contructive instead of just fighting vandals. So he must be stalking me, since shortly after he joined also, if he isn't banned, I'm quitting the WikiProject, since I don't want to be near him - it will be just too frustrating. --ArmadilloFromHell 05:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I did pull him from AIV once, but only for procedural reasons -- at that point in time, he hadn't received the standard warning templates that would justify a block. -- Jim Douglas _(contribs) 05:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

There was another AIV I posted at some point, and it was processed and rejected on the basis that he was just a kid. I think in months of editing, this is only the second time I've AIVed someone twice. --ArmadilloFromHell 05:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know about the other one. And, seriously, I agonized about removing that entry from AIV. But with no test3 or test4 warnings on his page, no admin would have blocked him at that point in time. If a block was rejected another time because "he's just a kid", that's a bogus reason. -- Jim Douglas _(contribs) 05:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

no reply needed (please)

Be aware that I reverted back to the format we had previously agreed upon, even though "rv" directly above your edit looks as if I was directly contradicting you. Of course if the arrows do look too similar at that font-size, any other symbol would be fine by me, just nothing obnoxiously long. —freak(talk) 05:36, Nov. 30, 2006 (UTC)

Template Magic

Of course these are simple examples for what I want to do, but the basic idea is there. There are templates that are called from about 130 pages some of which are lists of information about the other 125 pages. The data passed to the four templates is basically the same (well 3 of the templates use subsets of the data used in the 4th template). It would be nice to have one place to edit all this data. I would appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction for documentation (if you know of something that could help solve this problem. Thx in adv --Trödel 22:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI, User talk:Ligulem was able to provide me with a potential solution --Trödel 17:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Good work

Blocking vandals is good. But, do you ever unblock them? The mission 16:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

WNBC Article

It wasn't a personal attack, I was saying I think that the idea that this is all that is going on there is stupid. We have discussed it, none of us changed our minds, so I guess this goes on until someone stops caring. aido2002 16:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

WNBC Images

Re-uploading them was not "entirely inappropriate." AManinBlack deleted them, and said in the deletion log that he did so because they were orphaned. Because they should not have been, and were orphaned by him, re-uploading and restoring them to the page was the right course of action to take. aido2002 00:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I do acknowledge that I am not familiar with the fair use policy, so feel free to add the info. The copyrights are held by NBC Universal. aido2002 03:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Deleting the image was by no means the correct course of action to take, the only real issue was the lack of attribution, which you could have added. aido2002 04:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

We talked about this. the rationale is that they help the article, they illustrate what we say, and are vital. aido2002

They are vital for the same reason pictures are vital in a history textbook. Go after the original uploader about the fair use rationale thing, I am the wrong person to talk to for it. amaninblack should not have deleted the images, he orphaned them, and several people were against it. He did not have a legitimate reason to, I hope you can agree with me on this. aido2002 23:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Project Spell Check

Ok, I wikk make sure I don's edit such pages. Srry bout that, but when you are doing something boring and repetitive, it is pretty hard to notice such changes but, I wikk keep an eye out

Thanx

symode09 03:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikiversity/logo

Yes, but that is not the greatest issue; the problem is that the gray on the cupola has contrast issues with the blue of the world. As the Earth's blue gets darker, the gray gets lighter, and there is a point at which the too colors blur into each other, which I personally don't like. Titoxd 19:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Please help

Hi, I am trying to give Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Judaism a makeover. I would apprecaite your help as I hope this format will be the standard for wikiproject pages. The main problem I have right now is the little "Contents" template that apears and is distrupting the clean cut look, it doesnt apear on the main page. I would also apprecaite some general tips. Thanks. FrummerThanThou 22:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup pages

Somone removed the language about talk pages on December 10. I don't see how that constitutes longstanding consensus. If you are referring to a discussion in which consensus was reached that I somehow missed, I would be much obliged if you could point me to it. dryguy 23:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your input. I'm aware there have been various discussions about where tags should go. What seems to me to be missing is the consensus to require templates to go on talk pages. There have been a number of discussions in which no consensus has been reached regarding the placement of meta-tags on article pages (these discussions are also findable). This was the reason for my edit of March 20, 2006. As to the claim that I did so "unilaterally"; this edit has gone without change or comment until it was removed for consistency with Misplaced Pages:Cleanup resources. You are the first to object to my edit on the basis of its actual content. dryguy 00:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is one of the discussions I was thinking of in which no consensus was reached. Again, I was not acting "unilaterally", but I was definitely removing a restriction to which I object, and for which there is no consensus. dryguy 00:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for my dyslexic editing. You are correct that I made the change in November. You also mentioned the March edit which was still in my mind at the time I was writing above. In any event, there was no discussion for the March edit either, unless I missed it. Without discussion, there is no consensus. dryguy 01:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup tags are a subset of all meta tags. So far, you haven't cited any specific discussion that would convince me of your claim that there is consensus regarding the location of any cleanup tags, much less all of them. Anyway, if you are arguing that the discussion for all tags is not related to the discussion for a specific subset, then why do you also argue that if discussion for some cleanup tags indicates they belong on the article pages, then it follows that all cleanup tags belong on the article pages? dryguy 01:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm merely going by your edit, which specifically says "Unless otherwise noted, they should be placed at the top of the article" and your comments above. You even put all in bold. If that isn't what you meant, then would you accept the following changes to Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Cleanup:

Current: "The following tags should be added to the articles needing cleanup. Unless otherwise noted, they should be placed at the top of the article. Some tags have alternate versions that apply to situations of greater specificity."

Proposed: "The following tags should be added to the articles needing cleanup, as noted in the instructions for each specific tag. Some tags have alternate versions that apply to situations of greater specificity." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dryguy (talk • contribs) 02:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

Lack of discussion could just as easily mean that few editors care about this issue. In that case it is up to those who do to discuss it and come to consensus, regardless of the timeframe. dryguy 02:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The current wording is instruction creep. It prescribes a universal solution of putting a tag at the top of an article page as the default, when this is often not the best solution. Also, based on various discussions regarding meta tags, one of which I cited (there are others, but I don't have time for further discussion tonight, so I can't look them up now), there is significant opposition to certain uses of metatags on article pages. Briefly: they add clutter to articles which is minimized if they are put in talk space, they are often added and rarely removed (as evidenced by their growth rate, indicating they aren't often causing articles to comply with the tags' various requests), and they usually contribute to poor layout of articles in which they are used. Have a great evening (or morning, or whatever)! dryguy 03:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Unsigned template bug?

Re: your edit to {{Unsigned}}, the template as currently implemented results in the #if parser function being placed on the page when the template is subst'd (e.g.: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NonExistentUser (talk • contribs) 00:11 22 March 4455.). Ideally, shouldn't the parser be subst'd in the template code as well? The page is protected, so either way, I wouldn't be able to change it, but I thought you might. Thanks. --Fru1tbat 14:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

A NEW WIKILANGUAGE SISTER PROJECT

I propose a new major wikiproject Wikilanguage or Wiki Linguistics which specializes in the teaching of all languages. I have looked over the internet and have found some sites which do have several of the major languages giving knowledge of learning them but this wuould be huge and would provide all the information for learning languages such as most of the 250 languages that already have wikipedias. Learning a language is a major infomration source but wikipedia does not have this. Anybody interested in starting this ? I beleive this wikipedia sister project would be developed into an extremwely valuable resoruce not only for achieving knowledge of major languages but also other world languages which are not always readily available to learn. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

UPN vandal

Thanks for taking care of him. Can you also take a look at this? And who is the original vandal? --AAA! 06:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I might watch some of the targeted pages. Can you give me a list? --AAA! 03:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Caught another. --AAA! 13:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the move. --Ineffable3000 23:48, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

ITN

Hi David, you mentioned on Talk:MP that there's ongoing discussions regarding ITN. Where's that taking place now? I must have missed this. (Reply here on your user talk, I'm watching) Cheers, Monotonehell 18:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello! Please see Template talk:In the news#James Brown death. —David Levy 18:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Bah! How'd I miss that? Thanks David. --- Monotonehell 18:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

UPN vandal, huff 'em

Can't we just block all these IPs (For at least 1 year)? Also, I've discovered some of the socks are proxies. --AAA! 03:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, these are the proxies. Type in their IP address at this site, and look at the box "Is proxy":

• contributions
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• contributions --AAA! 05:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

"All categories"

Hi, David, I run one of the bots that dates various ceanup tags, and I have been thinking that it would be better to change the templates to get rid of the "all articles" cats, and replace the current function of the bland category with an "undated" category. The only risk is that it will encourage editors to add the date parameter, which means more errors. For me the important thing is that the undated categories (whatever they are called) are subcategories of Category:Misplaced Pages maintenance categories sorted by month. The other pending improvement may be to allow the wikify, cleanup and uncat templates to accept a date= paramete as well as a default. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 15:47 27 December 2006 (GMT).

ITN debarkle.. again

Hey David, do you think we'll come to any kind of constructive outcome with regards to ITN Guidelines this time? I instigated it, but don't hold much hope, lol. --Monotonehell 16:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Ayles Ice Shelf

I agree with Centrx that the article doesn't include enough current context to qualify for ITN inclusion, but I've listed it at Template talk:Did you know. —David Levy 04:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I was just thinking about doing the same thing tomorrow. Oh, well... You beat me by about 12 hours. :-) Good night. -- PFHLai 04:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

4.68.248.134

His/her block has expired, and is still doing that UPN vandalism. I've given him/her an only warning. Next time he/she makes another false move, please block him/her. --AAA! 05:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Info talk.png and Image:Info non-talk.png

The summary for these images says that it has been "tweaked" to display the background properly on browsers such as IE. How has this been done? I created a new image, which I would like to use to replace the most common current one that doesn't really match the rest of our icons, but I don't want to make it a step backward as far as background colors goes. -- Renesis (talk) 23:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response! I will try to get that done. I have a couple more questions -- When Misplaced Pages generates smaller sizes of the full image, does it lose this parameter? (In other words, do I have to make the image the size I will be using or not?) Second, when you say release it into the public domain, you are saying as opposed to CC? I don't know much about image licenses -- can you tell me why we'd rather have PD over CC? Thanks again. -- Renesis (talk) 19:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

WP's Main Page

Being less WP active in the last couple of months, I find myself entering through the Main Page (rather than my browser's bookmarks) more frequently and, whenever I do so, I continue to be impressed with the overall presentation of our "front page". Thanks for your perseverance, intellect and gentle (sometimes) persuasion during those times of change. A very merry New Year to you and to those that are close. --hydnjo talk 21:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Category:All uncategorised pages

I understand that I am not voting and that I am not limited by the original nomination. When I looked at the category, there were 3 articles in it. I realized that you mentioned that they were likely to be moved during the course of the nomination (that's actually why I went and looked). I also realize that a merge of an empty category generally works the same as a delete. I'm not sure what wasn't clear about in my previous comment. I am comfortable with my Merge opinion in this case. ~ BigrTex 21:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Mummified head pictured?

I've never seen an FA image captioned like that on the main page. Is this some brand-new procedure I missed? I don't see anything similar on any of the past or future main-page FA boxes. -Silence 16:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

ProtectionBot RFA

My apologies for the misunderstanding. It's not about dragon's flight, it's about anybody, regardless of who they are. It's in my nature not to trust too much power to one source. I replied as such on the rfa, and once again i'm sorry for any confusion in my meaning.Just H 20:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

You distrust everyone (including the most trusted members of the community) indiscriminately, and yet you complain when you believe that people are failing to assume good faith on your part. Does that make sense to you? —David Levy 20:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't distrust people, I distrust the system as it is now, which includes everybody. The fact that those people acted in such a way towards my comment is proof to me.

Even the best of us can become corrupt and hostile in an environment that fosters it, which I think is rampant for alot of Misplaced Pages right now. Until that's fixed, I don't trust anything with more power of the encyclopedia. Just H 20:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree since you don't want to trust my distrust of ochlocracy. A individual on their own and an individual within a group are two completely separate things, especially when conformity seems to be a forced norm. Just H 20:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

If you would like to discuss this further excluding the bot, please feel free. I would like nothing more than to make the collective completely trustworthy, or at least as close as humanly possible. Right now, there's just way too much margin for error in my opinion. Just H 21:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit Conflict

My apologies on the clipping there. Back and forth discussions can get messy at times. Just H 21:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad. Hopefully i'll be able to put my statements more clearly in the future, thanks again for the conversation today. Just H 22:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

List of programs broadcast by UPN

Please semi-protect. More UPN vandal crap. --AAA! 09:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

G4techTV Canada

It IS G4techTV CANADA. Don't change it back. 72.64.130.197 03:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC) Check out g4techtv.ca. Look at their press releases!

Hmm, I'm pretty sure it showed your name next to the history entry of who changed it back to G4techTV (Canada). Sorry about that. 72.64.130.197 03:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

ITN - How about...

the pic you mentioned

• A United States Air Force AC-130 gunship (similar to the one pictured) attacks suspected Al-Qaeda operatives at Ras Kamboni in southern Somalia near the Kenyan border.

?--Monotonehell 05:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about something along those lines, but it seems like a bit of a stretch (in terms of relevance and linguistic elegance). I don't feel comfortable performing such an edit without clear consensus, but feel free to discuss this on the talk page. —David Levy 05:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually I'm tempted to leave Pelosi's portrait on all year just to annoy the whiners ;) --Monotonehell 05:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

In all fairness, I'm a Democrat, and even I'm sick of that image. :) —David Levy 05:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL gawd, what's with all the team politics in the States? That kind of thing just leads to hubris. Don't categorise yourself, think for yourself. ;) --Monotonehell 06:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

About the redirect

Redirect redirection in the official name and resign from the redirection as a visitor is confused.--Naohiro19(Talk Page/Contributions) 18:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats' noticeboard#What is the status on this namechange?

You may remember me as a former adversary over "Wikisource - The free(?) library". But in more recent matters I seemed to have sparked some criticism of your actions in the above thread and thought it only proper that you should be made aware of it. Since I cannot see that anyone has brought it up with on your talk page, here is a heads-up.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 18:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

I see that you recently commented on my RfA of about a year ago. My apologies for the confusion. You said that you "can't condone the inclusion of toilet humor." Were you by any chance referring to "No running, shouting or piddling in the shallow end"? Aecis 23:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

You can rest assured then, because I've changed it again :) I swap between quotes and lyrics I like every now and then. I've had I'm too busy acting like I'm not naive, Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984 and No running, shouting or piddling in the shallow end. I've now found another victim :) Aecis 22:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

UPN Vandal Update

He now has members:

• contributions
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• . --AAA! 22:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

More socks

• contributions
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• contributions

I have also updated his entry at RFI, but I think this vandal qualifies for Long Term Abuse.

And please look at this. --AAA! 07:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but could you also delete User:Delariondavis3? Before I redirected it to his talk page the only content was an imitation of my own page. --AAA! 11:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, what the hell...

They just keep coming in...

• contributions
• contributions
• The Simpsons Movie (official soundtrack)
• The Simpsons Movie (Music From The Motion Picture)

Seriously, this is getting too hard for me. Do you think I should become an admin? --AAA! 23:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

A few more:

• Talk:The Simpsons Movie (Music From The Motion Picture)
• Talk:The Simpsons Movie (official soundtrack) --AAA! 23:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, this is new...

• contributions

Also, I'm going away on holiday for 3 days, so you'll have to take care of the vandal by yourself. Sorry about that. --AAA! 23:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:ITN reversion

I don't think your reversion is correct. Reports most certainly should be in present tense (and it is), but I don't believe the same is true for conducts. Read the sentence in question and you'll see what I'm talking about. Or, compare it with the equally confusing sentence...

A scientist reports that the universe begins a long time ago

-- tariqabjotu 22:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Long Term Abuse

I think the UPN vandal now qualifies for Long Term Abuse. Should we submit an entry? --AAA! 03:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to try and get a hotmail account. --AAA! 03:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I now have an e-mail account. Send me one! --AAA! 04:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Matt Frost

a ginger twat —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.83.71.134 (talk) 10:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Ownership

I am contacting you because you are the recent editor of wikipedia's ownership policy. Could you please clarify is it possible for a user to take ownership of a particular page? thank you (Bradleigh 23:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC))

Main page (copied from this thread)

I read your comments on Lar's talk page. FYI, no administrators are "in charge" of the main page. Its precise design was determined via months of nightmarish debate and ratified by an 18-day poll/discussion with over 900 participants. —David Levy 01:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. That is the information the AFMP project needs. The many AFMP 2006 and AFMP 2007 suggestions to alter the main page fixed text came from a lack of understanding of what it would take to implement such a suggestion. If we just list a rule that main page fixed text will not be changed as part of the AFMP project, editors will still suggest such changes. If we also add to the project a description of what it takes to change fixed page maintext with a link to the discussion you mention, I think it will reduce the number of such suggestions in future projects (AFMP 2008, AFMP 2009, etc.). Since you seem to know more about this issue than others on the project, it would be great if you would add the description to the project. Thanks. -- Jreferee 02:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Nutshell2

I created this template as a prototype for discussion. Please discuss on Template_talk:Nutshell#Template:Nutshell2Dhaluza 04:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, after waiting a day or so, nobody else seems to care enough to comment. Though the long dialog is probably too intimidating to invite any input. Do you really think it's an actual problem having it on the template space, or just a potential one? I have applied it on a page that was a good candidate for it's usage. The bullets remove the need to connect the two items with 'but' which is a word that reads kind of like a speed bump. Dhaluza 02:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI, I replied on my talk page since you moved the discussion there (suggesting merging the templates). Dhaluza 00:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Request for administrator attention: Consensus issue

Hi David. I've run into a confrontation not unlike those you and I have had in the past. Rather than edit war, I've kept my involvement in the debate on the page's talk page, but the other side will not listen to reason, and have forced their changes without reaching consensus first on the talk page. They've removed items from the list, and as you would put it, their actions "lack consensus". The items have been on the list since it was created in November of 2005. In the face of opposition to their removal, I assume that removing them would require the building of consensus to do so. Please take a look at talk:List of basic philosophy topics. I'd be very interested in your evaluation of the situation. There is a related discussion taking place at template talk:philosophy navigation, but that situation differs in two fundamental ways: one, that page is much smaller and the collection of links displayed upon it must be severely limited, and two, at least one of the links being discussed were added there relatively recently.

The links which were removed the List of basic philosophy topics without consensus were Ayn Rand and Objectivism (Ayn Rand). I look forward to your reply. (And I'm supposed to be on a wikibreak!)  :-) --The Transhumanist 08:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ownership

I have read the article in question and i have one final questions and i am asking you to answer it for me. Can a user take ownership of a article? Yes or No?? if yes, how? Thank you (Bradleigh 05:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC))

You know the drill...

• contributions. --AAA! 06:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Did you also get my email about him? --AAA! 06:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Cascadeprotected

I see you've been experimenting with the above mentioned page (yes, I do watch the entire MediaWiki: namespace so i know of interface changes more quickly).

If I may make one suggestion: instead of using {{#ifexist:{{PAGENAME}}, why not {{#ifexist:{{FULLPAGENAME}} as that would cause less bugs.

Thanks, GeorgeMoney (talk) 07:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:Protected article title

Needs some work, and I can't figure out how to fix it--see what happened when I added a subpage to the list. Chick Bowen 19:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Right--should have figured that out. We do use deletedpage in other namespaces from time to time, though, so this will be good. Incidentally, since there's no actual protected deleted page policy--it's just something we do--there's no reason not to proceed with this. Chick Bowen 21:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, of course. But I just meant that the process could be up and running at any point without interfering with {{deletedpage}}. Chick Bowen 21:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

April Fool's

Me again. I stumbled across this page; you're doing it again... --90.240.34.177 00:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Another sock, new name

contributions - He has created pages that also need protected-deleting. --AAA! 08:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Example

Actually I did, about a month ago, and several people complained to me that they missed my old signature, i.e. this one. So I put it back for now. I'll probably come up with something new eventually. >Radiant< 09:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

• Well, I suppose there is ample precedent for using colorful signatures (e.g. User:Starblind, User:Jtdirl), and some of us consider the colorfulness part of our wikidentity. The visually impaired do have special browser plugins available that e.g. increase color contrast. You are welcome to propose a guideline forbidding colorful signatures, or a feature request to abolish custom sigs, but such efforts have not met consensus in the past. I would quite possibly support such an effort, but until and unless there is actually consensus for this I fail to see why I should set an example for a notion that lacks consensus support. >Radiant< 12:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, it's very simple. I don't really like overly complex, flashy, lengthy or unreadable signatures. I do like my signature, which I do not consider particularly illegible, but ymmv. I'd be quite willing to abandon my sig if that would lead to a general abandoning of oc/f/l/u sigs. But, knowing this wiki, it won't, so I'm not going to remove my own sig if that doesn't actually change anything. As you say, that undoubtedly means I'm very inconsiderate, inhelpful, and not nice. >Radiant< 13:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Protected titles

If this actually comes into wide use as a deleted page system, it may not be a bad idea to add something to Mediawiki:Common.js, that would block out the list of pages protected at the bottom of these lists to anons (or perhaps non autoconfirmeds), so not to give ideas. It is possible to do it now, but it depends on how such a system is organized. One big page? Also, what does this system do in terms of server load? Prodego 02:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

When organized by topic like this, it gives ideas for misspellings (perhaps to someone who didn't think of that). It also clutters the page, which the cascade message says to come for more information. But pretty much I just want to mess with the js files ;-). Prodego 03:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Deleted page

I have and Idea we could transfer that list of salted pages to the new format of trancludeing using the old timestamps that were in place before the attempted switch and solve all of the issues. Betacommand 15:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:Protected title

You might want to {{urlencode}} the parameter that gets fed into the activity log link in the template, so that it handles page names with spaces properly. Right now it looks funny and doesn't work on pages listed in Misplaced Pages:Protected titles/Multiple re-creation.

<span class="plainlinks"></span>

<span class="plainlinks"></span>

I've written some documentation for the template at Template talk:Protected title. Please correct any errors as necessary. Flyingtoaster1337 08:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

<span class="plainlinks"></span>

Smilies

See Template:Smiley and the 3 others linked there . If they were restricted to user-talkspace somehow I might be able to live with them (though not the animated ones), but they're already being used in many article-talkpages. Unprofessional, unnecessary, and visually-distracting. TfD\CSD would be appreciated. --Quiddity 18:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

and Misplaced Pages:Emoticons? No templates, but it is encouragement.. --Quiddity 18:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Genius

That is all. Guy (Help!) 22:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Disputed ITN item

Actually, Blnguyen was apparently referring to the {{totallydisputed}} template on the article. -- tariqabjotu 02:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I didn't mean Haizum's complaint about the blurb, else I would have simply rephrased it. It was because the article is tagged {{TotallyDisputed}}. Usually DYK or ITN items with "red alert" tags like "cleanup" "no sources" "pov" and "factually innacurate" etc, are not allowed on the main page. That was my reasoning, the actual article. Regards, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

For saving Special:Random

I'm sorry, but what was the big idea?

No, seriously. Just because you are an admin that doesn't mean you are above other users. Without discussing with anyone, or asking for permission, or even wondering if it was a smart idea, you went to WikiProject Portugal and removed our main shortcut (WP:PT) and changed it to something that doesn't symbolize it. I'll have to ask that you provide me an actual reason for doing this.

All of the people under WikiProject Portugal refer to it as WP:PT, and that for a long while, so it doesn't make sense to change that. It's also the shorcut syntax used on other WikiProjects (e.g. WP:JA). If you need a shortcut for Protected titles I suggest that you use Wp:Pt or WP:PTs. I'm asking you to revert the changes.--Saoshyant (please join WP:PT or WP:SPOKEN) 13:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

1. You already assigned WP:Pt to Template:Protection templates when you took WP:PT from that page (which had used it for a longer duration than WikiProject Portugal has existed). Did you think that you were "above other users" when you did that "without discussing with anyone, or asking for permission, or even wondering if it was a smart idea"?

2. There were precisely 15 transclusions of the WP:PT shortcut. One was the documentation for Template:Protection templates at Misplaced Pages:Shortcuts that you never bothered to update. The other 14 (including the one at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Portugal itself) were all posted by you.

3. The reason for this change is that major, general-interest project pages are more in need of such shortcuts than specialized WikiProjects (which probably shouldn't even be using the same shortcut format) are. See, for example, WikiProject Fact and Reference Check, whose WP:FC shortcut was taken for use by Misplaced Pages:Featured Content. In that instance, I did first raise the issue on the talk page (and no one objected). I wasn't about to do that in this case (given the fact that the redirect didn't belong to you in the first place). —David Levy 15:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Right.

1. Yes, but I did discuss the matter with some other users, albeit I regreted later not having brought the issue to Village Pump, which would have been the proper thing to do. Furthermore, we believed that Protection templates should use WP:Pt instead due to the "t" lower case.

2. I know of no way to check for transclusions, but I did go around looking for broken things and checking if anyone would complain or revert the change.

3. Is that so? If it's Wp policy, there's little I can do. It still doesn't change that you didn't ask anyone about this. As an admin, you should be the one setting an example.

As a matter of fact, I wouldn't start a fuss about this where you reverting WP:PT for Protection templates. WikiProject Portugal didn't exist when WP:PT was created. Protection templates used it because it was probably the first thing that came to the mind of the people behind it. However, I ask again that you be kind enough to consider reverting WP:PT for WP:Portugal. PT has always been an alias for Portugal, pretty much everywhere. Furthermore, members of WP:Portugal refer to the project by the sigla WP:PT.--Saoshyant (please join WP:PT or WP:SPOKEN) 16:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S: And I'm sorry I've acted rudely when I first brought this issue up, but this has really pissed me off.

1. Where did you "discuss the matter with some other users"? It certainly wasn't at Template talk:Protection templates.

The shortcut style convention is to use all-uppercase lettering. (WP:Pt is unusual.)

2. The "What links here" link displays a list of all transclusions.

3. There is no formal "policy" regarding this matter, but the standard practice is that key project pages take precedence over WikiProjects. In my opinion, we shouldn't even be mixing the two; WikiProjects should adopt a dedicated prefix (such as "WPJ:"). This would make things much easier and less confusing for everyone.

4. People don't go around searching for pages to fit arbitrary abbreviations. King of Hearts wanted to create a shortcut for Template:Protection templates, so he used the most logical abbreviation. Yes, WikiProject Portugal did not yet exist (just as Misplaced Pages:Protected titles didn't exist until now).

5. You claim that "members of WP:Portugal refer to the project by the sigla WP:PT." I performed a Google search and found 10 pages from this site on which the "WP:PT" abbreviation is used without transclusion to reference WikiProject Portugal (though some of these are alongside the transclusions that I already updated and counted above). All of these were written by you.

6. As I said, I would have discussed this if the shortcut had belonged to you in the first place. I also would have done so if your WikiProject has adopted it more than a few months ago or if it had been in wide use. None of this was the case.

7. Apology accepted.  :-) —David Levy 17:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Two last requests for today...

I promise I won't disturb you for the next five hours or more - I got to sleep soon. :)

But before that I've two requests related to Misplaced Pages:Protected titles/Spam pages with nonsense titles. The first is to replace the code on that page with the version on the talk page (which I wrote after finally figuring out how {{protected title}} really works). Some of the pages were not protected with the old, incorrect code. The second is to delete Talk:Action potential/index.php, because it got re-created tonight and someone protected it the old way.

Thanks in advance. Flyingtoaster1337 17:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Um...

You may want to review your block log. And Philwelch's, for that matter. -- Steel 22:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

There's currently a discussion about this on ANI. -- Steel 22:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Blocking

See also . Every user account in his block log for the last few months also seems to be a user he was in a dispute with and each has a corresponding ANI discussion admonishing him. It just seems each time to be a matter of no one thinking it worth it to spend the time to collect all the evidence, and to some extent people probably thought John Reid and Matthew Fenton "should" be blocked, despite the reason he used for it and his being altercated in a dispute with them making the blocks bogus. —Centrx→talk • 03:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Final cleanup of Template:Protected title

I think the template is quite satisfactory now but I have thought of some tidying up and enhancement that could be made.

{{#switch:{{{talk}}}|no|No|NO=

{{#switch:{{lc:{{{talk}}}}}|no=

{{#switch:{{{ns}}}|Talk|talk|Category talk|category talk|Help talk|help talk|Image talk|image talk|MediaWiki talk|mediaWiki talk|Portal talk|portal talk|Template talk|template talk|User talk|user talk|Misplaced Pages talk|wikipedia talk=

would become:

{{#switch:{{lc:{{{ns}}}}}|talk|category talk|help talk|image talk|mediawiki talk|portal talk|template talk|user talk|wikipedia talk=

Lastly, I thought of cases like the GNAA and Encyclopedia Dramatica articles whereby the talk pages are also protected due to repeated trolling and unproductive discussion. Hiding the talk link might not work in this case since people can always link to the talk page from elsewhere, so I propose a protect-talk parameter which will transclude the talk page as well if "protect-talk=yes". If you wish to add it to the end of the template it might look like: (works only if talk is not set, and adds "(also protected)" after the transclusion)

{{#if:{{{talk|}}}||{{#if:{{{protect-talk|}}}|{{#switch:{{lc:{{{ns}}}}}|talk|category talk|help talk|image talk|mediawiki talk|portal talk|template talk|user talk|wikipedia talk=|{{:{{#if:{{{ns|}}}|{{{ns}}} talk:|Talk:}}{{{1}}}}}}} <small>(also protected)</small>|}}}}

Flyingtoaster1337 05:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Smiley

Why did you close the debate as "recreated content"? The last time it was deleted was 2005... and recreated content is for speedy deletes... this does not qualify. Please reopen the debate. --Majorly _{(o rly?)} 16:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Smiley

Just so you know, this template has been in use for quite some time as an effective communication tool. Just because a previous incarnation of it was deleted doesn't mean nothing has changed since then. The attitude you and the others demonstrated by deleting this template has a direct effect on diminishing the quality of the encyclopedia, as far as I'm concerned, if only because I will be spending far less energy serving this project by upgrading who knows how many portals to featured status (e.g., Cats, Chemistry, Dogs, Education, Philosophy of science, Psychology & Science). Thanks for screwing up one of the few enjoyments I got out of this place. Rfrisbie 16:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I will at least agree with the first part of Rfrisbie's comments. I don't think that "Speedy Delete - recreated content" should apply after over a year since the last TfD. consensus can change after all. If anyone else is interested, I think that this is a prime cantidate for WP:DRV, for these reasons alone. (Noting also that the TfD discussion looked an awful lot like a "No consensus" result discussion.) - jc37 10:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Polling etc.

That page should be labeled (at best) an essay anyway, because it does not have consensus to be a guideline. My edit (which has been made in various forms before, and always reverted) was intended as a compromise, so that I could at least live with the page. (Which does not change the fact that, due to other peoples' objections, it does not have consensus to be a guideline.) Since my suggestion quickly rejected out of hand, I decided to restore the tag that the page should really have in the first place. Frankly I find this whole thing laughable, because it shows that many decisions on Misplaced Pages are not really made by consensus at all, but rather rather by bullying. 6SJ7 18:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

You are entitled to your opinion about what is appropriate or inappropriate. 6SJ7 18:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Not UPN related, but still worth telling you

I have adopted a member, named Zoidy-Poo, who is a friend of mine outside Misplaced Pages. But I can't do this alone. Could you co-adopt him to help me? Thanks. --AAA! 11:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:RfAr

You have been listed as one of the involved parties in a case against Philwelch. Please follow the link above. Best regards, — Nearly Headless Nick 14:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)