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:: Interesting. We can discount the Daily Mail, but not the others... Why is he called a Ukrainian? -- ] (]) 23:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC) :: Interesting. We can discount the Daily Mail, but not the others... Why is he called a Ukrainian? -- ] (]) 23:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:::The enko suffix is common in ] so perhaps he is ethnic Ukrainian, or his ancestors were. That's not the issue though. The question is whether "Ukrainian-born" is certain enough to be in the lead. ] (]) 23:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC) :::The enko suffix is common in ] so perhaps he is ethnic Ukrainian, or his ancestors were. That's not the issue though. The question is whether "Ukrainian-born" is certain enough to be in the lead. ] (]) 23:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:::I'll remove and make a new thread = Place of Birth. ] (]) 15:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

== Place of Birth ==

I "Ukrainian-born". There's no trouble finding sources including New York Times and Washington Post who say it, but there are also sources saying he was born in Russia. A sampling: (paywalled but I have library access), New York Times printed November 5 2021 page A14, , . There are more. I'm calling Ukrainian-born "poorly sourced" since all we have is newspapers that disagree, and poorly sourced material doesn't belong in BLPs. ] (]) 15:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

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Employment

Limited reporting available to cite, but Danchenko was being paid by Orbis while "employed" on paper by Target Labs, using it as a front to maintain his immigration status. Only source available: https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/27/fbi-docs-source-for-federal-surveillance-of-trump-campaign-made-up-rumors-with-drinking-buddies/

Add to employment section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRightSizer (talkcontribs) 01:45, August 4, 2020‎ (UTC)

Not a RS. -- Valjean (talk) 17:05, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Lead

"Igor Yurievich Danchenko (born May 5, 1978) is a Ukrainian-born Russian citizen who works as a Eurasia political risk, defense and economics analyst in the United States. He lives in Virginia. He obtained and analyzed Russian President Vladimir Putin's university dissertation."

This is very unpleasant to read due to the way it jumps between assorted facts about Danchenko without any segue, and alternates a very short sentence with longer sentences. I've tried repeatedly to edit it and my changes have been reverted. Why is it so important to put his state of residence right there? Why should his work on Putin's dissertation be singled out rather than describing the broader theme of his research? 73.71.251.64 (talk) 22:27, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

His residence is important because people will assume he lives in Russia. His research, which is notable (he's still alive!), is now described better. I have made several tweeks for better flow and to make sure no one thinks Putin was president at the time he wrote (if he did) his dissertation in 1996. Take a look. -- Valjean (talk) 23:29, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Otherwise, I'm sure the lead could use more summaries from other topics in the body of the article. -- Valjean (talk) 23:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
The words "Ukrainian-born" might be a problem too, try googling "Igor Danchenko" "Russian-born" and you'll get hits pointing to wsj.com, politico.com, dailymail.co.uk, and others. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 22:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Interesting. We can discount the Daily Mail, but not the others... Why is he called a Ukrainian? -- Valjean (talk) 23:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
The enko suffix is common in Ukrainian surnames so perhaps he is ethnic Ukrainian, or his ancestors were. That's not the issue though. The question is whether "Ukrainian-born" is certain enough to be in the lead. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 23:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
I'll remove and make a new thread = Place of Birth. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 15:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Place of Birth

I removed "Ukrainian-born". There's no trouble finding sources including New York Times and Washington Post who say it, but there are also sources saying he was born in Russia. A sampling: Wall Street Journal (paywalled but I have library access), New York Times printed November 5 2021 page A14, Politico, Daily Mail. There are more. I'm calling Ukrainian-born "poorly sourced" since all we have is newspapers that disagree, and poorly sourced material doesn't belong in BLPs. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 15:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

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