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| It's amazing to see the gall of ], ] and ] of using a quote from known ''Hinduphobes'' as the definition of Hinduphobia. Its like asking Neo-Nazis to define Antisemitism. All of the quoted so-called "scholars" actually supported/organized the recent 'Dismantling Hindutva' conference which was largely condemned by Hindu organizations around the and has been largely considered . Its absolutely idiotic to include any definition (on a page regarding hinduphobia) from people whose work has been largely recognised as ''Hinduphobic'' by various '''Hindu organisations'''. People like Audrey Truschke have been known to ignore issues like , , sexual slavery and forced conversions during the Islamic Rule era. The fact that editors here are forcing this definition on Misplaced Pages is a prime example of '''Anti-Hindu Sentiment on Misplaced Pages'''. ] (]) 06:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC) | It's amazing to see the gall of ], ] and ] of using a quote from known ''Hinduphobes'' as the definition of Hinduphobia. Its like asking Neo-Nazis to define Antisemitism. All of the quoted so-called "scholars" actually supported/organized the recent 'Dismantling Hindutva' conference which was largely condemned by Hindu organizations around the and has been largely considered . Its absolutely idiotic to include any definition (on a page regarding hinduphobia) from people whose work has been largely recognised as ''Hinduphobic'' by various '''Hindu organisations'''. People like Audrey Truschke have been known to ignore issues like , , sexual slavery and forced conversions during the Islamic Rule era. The fact that editors here are forcing this definition on Misplaced Pages is a prime example of '''Anti-Hindu Sentiment on Misplaced Pages'''. ] (]) 06:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC) | ||
| ], ] and ] show ] and inherent bias in their edits, which should not considered at all. Additionally, the 'Dismantling Hindutva' conference should be mentioned in the article as an recent example of major Hinduphobic incident. ] (]) 06:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
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El C, I edit Misplaced Pages occassionally. Please let me know what is wrong with the first paragraph you removed by this edit. The source used does say that.
Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2021
Please change X (no info) to "Several thousand supporters of Hefazat-e-Islam’s leader Mamunul Haque in Bangladesh attacked a Hindu village in March 2021, which resulted in the ransacking and looting of many houses and the vandalization of 70-80 houses."
References
- "Extremist Islamist group's supporters attack 70-80 Hindu houses in Bangladesh: Police". India Today. 20 March 2021.
Hinduphobia
Hindutva attacks on scholars frequently deploy accusations of “Hinduphobia,” a recently coined term popularized by the Hindu Right. These accusations appropriate the language of antiracism.
Racism is a real problem for South Asian Americans, with recent research documenting that half of all Indian Americans report experiencing discrimination. Many of us, the members of SASAC, count ourselves among this number. South Asian Americans also report discrimination on the basis of religion, with Muslims bearing the brunt of religious-based discrimination. Anecdotally, Hindus too report discrimination based on religious practices, clothing, or dietary customs.
However, individual cases of discrimination, no matter how painful, do not amount to “Hinduphobia.” Scholars of South Asia overall consider the term “Hinduphobia” problematic for several reasons. It is deployed to stifle academic inquiry into Hinduism as well as criticism of Hindutva. “Hinduphobia” rests on the false notion that Hindus have faced systematic oppression throughout history. Anti-Hindu bias, while real and painful in individual cases, is neither systemic nor entrenched in modern society, in either India or the United States.
“Hinduphobia” relies on flawed analogies with anti-Semitism and Islamophobia, though these are very different. The anti-Semitic ideology of Nazism led to the Holocaust. Islamophobic foreign policies resulted in the killing of civilians in the Middle East. Anti-Hindu bias, on the other hand, cannot be easily linked to casualties on such horrific scales.
— "Bad Faith Bias Claims". Hindutva Harassment Field Manual. Retrieved 2021-07-08.
A recently coined term popularized by far-right groups to claim systematic and targeted discrimination against Hindus for being Hindu. Scholars of South Asia overall consider the term “Hinduphobia” inappropriate for several reasons.
It is deployed to stifle academic inquiry into Hinduism as well as to tamp down critiques of the Indian state, Hindu nationalist positions, Islamophobia, and casteism. “Hinduphobia” rests on the false notion that Hindus have faced systematic oppression throughout history. Anti-Hindu bias, while real and painful in individual cases, is neither systemic nor entrenched in modern society, in either India or the United States. The term seeks to mirror and thereby discredit “Islamophobia,” similar to claims of anti-white racism to undercut anti-black racism.
In many cases, those who claim to be victims of “Hinduphobia” are engaged in discrimination against others of South Asian descent, including Muslims, lower-castes, Dalits, Christians, and progressive Hindus.
— "Glossary". Hindutva Harassment Field Manual. Retrieved 2021-07-08.
Authored by a collective of South Asian Scholars including Ananya Chakravarti, Manan Ahmed Asif, Supriya Gandhi, Davesh Soneji, Purnima Dhavan, Audrey Truschke, and Dheepa Sundaram. Going by their page, I am expecting addition of more heavyweight names, soon.
- This definitely belongs at our article, at worst with attribution. Thanks to Kautilya3 for bringing my attention to this new welcome development. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:25, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- My proposed paragraph —
The term Hinduphobia was introduced by Rajiv Malhotra to call out western academics who "distort their religion and perpetuate negative stereotypes". Jeffery D. Long agrees and defines Hinduphobia to be "version to Hindus or to Hinduism; cultural bias, possibly ethnically motivated, against Hindus, Hinduism, or both". Vamsee Juluri adopts a similar stance.In 2021, a group of South Asian scholars formed a collective to combat (what they termed as) "Hindutva Harassment". They rejected Hinduphobia as an ahistorical and inappropriate neologism employed by the Hindu Right in order to suppress academic inquiry into topics concerned with Hinduism, Hindutva, caste, and Indian State. While racist and anti-Hindu prejudices have been indeed observed, Hindus have not faced any entrenched systematic oppression in India or United States. The claimants of Hinduphobia were reverse-accused of engaging in discrimination against Muslims, lower-castes, Dalits, Christians, and progressive Hindus.
TrangaBellam (talk) 11:16, 9 July 2021 (UTC) - I haven't the time to assess the sources in detail, but certainly the thrust of this statement is worth including. The point that discrimination is real, but not systemically entrenched, is crucial; as is the material about the term being used to stifle academic inquiry and critique of political movements that are quite distinct from any religious belief system. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:25, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, good job, TrangaBellam. It is certainly NPOV and factual. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks @both of you. User:Joshua Jonathan, any improvements? TrangaBellam (talk) 10:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
This new group is incorrect about Hinduphobia not being structural in America. There is a long history of anti-hindu sentiment there. They seem to be political and at war with the BJP, RSS and so called Right Wing Hindus. Such material is politically biased from the outset and should not be deployed here. If they refute Hinduphobia when their own records show 18% of Hindus experience it, there is something wrong. Jnanashuddhi (talk) 03:11, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Request to add content and make corrections removed. Content subject to copyright. Jnanashuddhi (talk) 07:50, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
So, there isn't even one line pointing the opposite view even when the rest of the page presents with (limited) historical events of anti- Hindu events? Entire paragraph is present only to downplay this. Why aren't there any counter points? Its not as if there aren't any sources for it on wikipedia. There is anti Hindu sentiment in the USA, might not be as prevalent as Islamophobia but it does exists and this page plays right into the hands of hate groups that attack hindus using right wing govt in India as an excuse. "Dismantling Global hindutva conference held this year is an example for such sentiment. https://theprint.in/opinion/hinduphobia-is-a-reality-scholars-at-dismantling-global-hindutva-conference-must-know/728983/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/indic-positive/the-truschke-purana-a-saga-in-hinduphobia/ I can post even more references regarding this, but if you guys want to consider just western publications as reliable source where Hindus are a minority, then I have to say Misplaced Pages fell in to the same trap. All I am asking is to present counter arguments in the page. This article is completely dismissive of any discrimination towards Hindus. That's just not the case. Raghu487 (talk) 14:33, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
It's amazing to see the gall of Jonathan, TrangaBellam and Vanamonde of using a quote from known Hinduphobes as the definition of Hinduphobia. Its like asking Neo-Nazis to define Antisemitism. All of the quoted so-called "scholars" actually supported/organized the recent 'Dismantling Hindutva' conference which was largely condemned by Hindu organizations around the globe and has been largely considered Hinduphobic. Its absolutely idiotic to include any definition (on a page regarding hinduphobia) from people whose work has been largely recognised as Hinduphobic by various Hindu organisations. People like Audrey Truschke have been known to ignore issues like Hindu genocide, , sexual slavery and forced conversions during the Islamic Rule era. The fact that editors here are forcing this definition on Misplaced Pages is a prime example of Anti-Hindu Sentiment on Misplaced Pages. Toshi2k2 (talk) 06:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Jonathan, TrangaBellam and Vanamonde show systematic and inherent bias in their edits, which should not considered at all. Additionally, the 'Dismantling Hindutva' conference should be mentioned in the article as an recent example of major Hinduphobic incident. Toshi2k2 (talk) 06:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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There was a lot of violence in Bagladesh recently and their PM was forced to say that the perpetrators will be hunted down according to this and this, so please make a sentence and add it using these sources. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.94.148 (talk) 07:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Raghu487, TrangaBellam or Kautilya3, please do the needful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.94.148 (talk) 07:47, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Using the sources mentioned above, please add a sentence to the Bangladesh section like, "Following reports of vandalism of Durga Puja pandals in Bangladesh, Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina issued a warning to the miscreants and said they would be "hunted down and punished". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4071:e04:e621:845e:b8c1:67a8:7e77 (talk) 16:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Doesn't it generally fall under WP:NOTNEWS? Also, please sign!! — DaxServer (talk) 18:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- This belongs to our article on the persecution of Hindus. Why, here? TrangaBellam (talk) 18:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- @DaxServer: It's already mentioned in the appropriate article—Persecution of Hindus#Bangladesh—through much more reliable sources than above. Also, this event is notable enough for inclusion and meets WP:NOTNEWS#2. WikiLinuz (talk) 19:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Doesn't it generally fall under WP:NOTNEWS? Also, please sign!! — DaxServer (talk) 18:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Using the sources mentioned above, please add a sentence to the Bangladesh section like, "Following reports of vandalism of Durga Puja pandals in Bangladesh, Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina issued a warning to the miscreants and said they would be "hunted down and punished". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4071:e04:e621:845e:b8c1:67a8:7e77 (talk) 16:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Sikhs are not Hindus
Based on the above statement I do not think the first paragraph in the United States section of the "Other Countries" section is relevant- the sources make clear that the discrimination is not based on the Hindu religion (as many of those being discriminated against are not even Hindu, but Sikh) but because they are Indian. This would be better included in the Anti-Indian sentiment page. In a similar vein, much of the section on anti-Hindu discrimination in Afghanistan is irrelevant as it discusses Sikhs, who are not Hindus. Autumn astronomer (talk) 19:52, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
- This page has a tendency to collect material that's out of scope. Autumn astronomer, if there's content not focusing on Hinduism as the target of discrimination, please feel free to remove it. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)