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Channel 4 logo

From the Channel 4 style guidelines: The Channel 4 identity should always be surrounded by a minimum area of space. The area of isolation ensures that headlines, text or other visual elements do not encroach on the logo. The area is defined by using a third of the height of the logo which is referred to as x. A margin of clear space equivalent to 0.3x is drawn around the logo to create the invisible boundary of the area of isolation.

It is important that the appearance of the logo remains consistent. The logo should not be misinterpreted, modified or added to. The logo must never be redrawn, adjusted or modified in any way. It should only be reproduced from the artwork provided. To illustrate this point some of the more likely mistakes are shown.

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• Do not place the logo in a box.
• Do not place the logo in a frame.

If you revert the logo again, then this will be seen as vandalism, and you may be blocked.

-- 9cds 12:37, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

If there is a problem with your browser, then you should use a better browser, or consider fixing the problem with the transparency (which is a known IE bug), and NOT changing the logo itself. Please stop deliberately introducing incorrect information into articles. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. -- 9cds 12:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. -- 9cds 12:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Please stop removing content from Misplaced Pages; it is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. -- 9cds 13:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, I've had nearly 20 years working with TV corporate identities... The version that has been locked on to the page is wrong.

I'm just following the guidelines, mate. It has a white background if it's on something that's white. More importantly, it cannot be placed in a box. that's why I'm saying it's wrong. If it breaks in IE, then maybe you should create a version that is not in a box, but also which doesn't break in IE? -- 9cds 13:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

But the version you have installed is of poor resolution, and you are looking at the guidelines for printing on paper. It also breaks the rules as it is so large that gets a border from the box on the page ("Do not place the logo in a frame").

Well, as I said on the channel 4 talk page, feel free to create a higher resolution image that is transparent. Only reason I didn't do it myself is because I'm on a machine without suitable software. -- 9cds 13:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

If you actually look at what is being used by Channel 4: into and out of ad-breaks and all other on-screen versions the logo is cut out of white. This is not possible on paper. This doesn't mean there has to be an additional background colour.-- 9cds 13:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC) The best way to do this would be to have to whole box background white, but you are going against what is shown on the website.

Surely the purpose of wikipedia is to reflect what is actually shown to the viewer?

We have to follow guidelines -- 9cds 13:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm quite happy to ring Channel 4 to get their guidance, if that is what is required.

As said earlier, I have the C4 guidelines, of which I have pasted the excerpt about the logo above.-- 9cds 13:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I've got new logos direct from the Channel 4 press office. Can I be alowed to upload these?

I'm not an admin, so I cannot unprotect the page. If they've got the transparent background, which will solve the issue with the "white box", and works in IE (which is buggy), then go ahead and upload once it's been unprotected. -- 9cds 14:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Ceefax clarification

Hi,

Can you please clarify the following sentence you added to the Ceefax article?-

There is still a limited Ceefax service broadcast alongside BBC World that covers British news on.

Is this related to 'Pages from Ceefax' (the section it was placed in), or does it just mean an ordinary (but limited) Ceefax service?

I didn't want to remove this, as it looks like worthwhile information.

Thanks.

Fourohfour 23:01, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Semi-automated template substitution

• This page was modified to semi-automatically substitute templates using Pathoschild's template list. // Tawker 20:22, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Windows Vista french image

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I'll fix it ASAP

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Googolplex typo

Be that as it may, Google didn't exist until the mid-1990s. So any use of the word with that spelling prior to their organization was unintentional, and cannot possibly be a reference to the company. --JohnDBuell 23:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

So Adams's publishers made a typo. Google's founders DID deliberately misspell Googol so that it could be trademarked. Coincidence. --JohnDBuell 23:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

This was NOT a typo! It was Douglas' playful use of words... The spelling is THE SAME and the meaning is THE SAME too, as it is refering to one of the greatest computers of all time. Briantist 23:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

--I think this is fair--

• The name of Google's corporate HQ was (unwittingly) taken from the first book (1979, Chapter 25, page 127) when Lunkwill and Fook are shocked at Deep Thought's self-depreciation: "And are you not," said Fook leaning anxiously forward, "a greater analyst than the Googleplex Star Thinker in the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity which can calculate the trajectory of every single dust particle throughout a five-week Dangrabad Beta sand blizzard?" (Note the spelling is the same as Google, not the number googol). Briantist 23:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

It's still just a coincidence. I think the folks at Google would just laugh. --JohnDBuell 23:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Additions to Hitchhiker's related articles

While I appreciate your enthusiasm, you can't simply make the statements that you have been making in the articles you have been editing without serious proof. Any statements, especially those made in featured articles, require verifiable proof, which is why that statement appears under every edit window before an edit is saved. Please consider this in future. --JohnDBuell 23:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

You're getting close to violating WP:3RR and you're certainly violating Misplaced Pages:Verifiability. Please reconsider. --JohnDBuell 00:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

As regards Greece, yes Adams traveled around Greece, as well as Turkey and other countries. And as regards naming, his choices of some names are also well documented - Hotblack Desiato being perhaps one of the most famous. The inspiration behind the "Zansellquasure Flamarion Bridge Club" is NOT documented, or at least not in a way that I've been able to verify. If you have a verifiable source, please share it. --JohnDBuell 00:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

OK. I do have the source, but it's not with me at the moment. I'll repost when I have the references. Briantist 00:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

BBC radio after switchover

I have written to the BBC to confirm that they will not be removing any radio services after switchover. I will re-edit when they re-confirm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briantist (talk • contribs) 20:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't quite understand. I wasn't aware, and have never suggested that, the BBC are going to remove any radio services from digital terrestrial television after the digital switchover. What I do know is that BBC Radio 1, BBC Radio 2, BBC Radio 3 and BBC Radio 4 are currently broadcast on Multiplex A and there are no plans for them to move. As Multiplex A is due to become a one of the 'commercial' multiplexes after the switchover, these radio stations will not be on the PSB multiplexes and therefore will not be available on all the relay transmitters like the channels on Multiplexes 1, 2 and B (including Five and S4C, which are moving). - Green Tentacle 21:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I have written to the BBC for clarification on this point, but as far as I understand it BBC radio via Freeview is very popular and the BBC will have the space to carry these four 'original' stations on Multiplex 1 when it switches to 64QAM mode. The space on multiplex B is being 'gifted' to five, S4C and S4C2. I have written confirmation from both the BBC and S4C on this point.

From: Jackie Burdon, BBC

Date: Nov 29 2005 - 6:26pm

Five will move to one of the BBC muxes at switchover, as will S4C and S4C2 in Wales. This is to ensure that, as public service broadcasters, they have near-universal coverage in the digital world.

The move will be possible without displacing any BBC services, because at switchover the BBC will return from 16QAM to 64QAM mode but maintain equivalent coverage and robustness of signal thanks to the high power transmissions which will be possible post switchover.

The mode change will create capacity equivalent to two standard channels on each of the BBC's multiplexes - enough for five, S4C and S4C2.

S4C isn't a whole multiplex in this instance - are you thinking of SDN, the multiplex operator that was founded in part by S4C?

You are right that the three commercial multiplexes will not have the same level of universal coverage after switchover as the three psb muxes you describe - though I'm not sure we can assume they won't roll out at all. It is the case that they are not obliged to reach the same level of coverage as the psb muxes - and indeed will not be able to achieve it for technical reasons. But they may make a commercial decision to extend their coverage substantially.

So where's your evidence that the BBC radio stations are moving to a PSB multiplex? - Green Tentacle 18:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Multiplex names are not changing

I have provided evidence from primary web sources AND backed it up with the email listed above, the other user has NOT provided any evidence to support the repeated editing of suposition. I provided references to the relevant web pages, PDF documents and explained where the misunderstanding have arisen from.

The other user repeatedly DELETED the references I had supplied to verify the information that I provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briantist (talk • contribs)

That's all fine (apart from using an email as a defence), but an edit war is not the way to do this. Use that article's discussion page, and share what evidence you have with the other user. Try and talk it through properly (and don't forget to sign your comments there - four tildes "~~~~" ). RobWill80 04:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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Channel 4 - 4oD?

Hey. Just wondering why you deleted the large section on Channel 4's on demand service. Cheers, Coolmark18 00:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean to, I have reverted it already. Briantist 00:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Art Of Noise sample

I'm curious as to why you're so protective of this sample excerpt and its credits - placing a sample on Misplaced Pages and stating it is an Unreleased Mix is the equivalent of uploading what you would call a "Promo Mix" and the track then getting a full release.

The sample you have uploaded MAY have come from a vinyl, printed as "Unreleased", but as you may or may not know, it has been. Three times. Once on the "Close Up (Hop)" vinyl, once as part of the "That Was Close" cassette mix and subsequently on the "That Was Close" addition to the "What Have You Done With My Body, God?" boxset. My changes, while not altering the sample itself and leaving your addition to the release listing above it (which, by the way, I also have a couple of issues with - let me check my full AON collection first before I amend THAT. And, yes, I do have EVERY AON release, including promos and reissues. I'm a bit of a fan meself...), merely acknowleged what the sample actually IS (not what it could have been from a promo copy), from a fresh visitors perspective. Which, with Misplaced Pages as a Encyclopedia, must be the priority. Thumbsucker-UK 14:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The lablel on the record says "UNRELEASED MIX" and therefore I am simply replicating the information onto Misplaced Pages. I had the cassingle too, and I know that it's all on there, but the sample was recorded from the vinyl, and we are documenting what ACTUALLY HAPPENED here not a reinterpritation of the events. The fact that the names of the remixes have been altered after the event does not actually effect the truth of where the sample that I have provided for the wikipedia actually came from. The cassingle I have calls the all-in-one-mix "Best of Close - Closest Hits - Close Enough - Come Closer" and I have "Closely Closely (Enoughs Enough), "Close-Up", "Close-Up (Hop)", "Edited". Briantist 14:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I fully appreciate your desire to replicate the facts as accurately as you can in regard to the sample you've uploaded but once again the best analogy I can think of is... if a track was initially issued on a promo printing, featuring what would subsequently become a full release, it would be more, if not beneficial, than certainly more relevant for a fresh reader with a passing interest in that track to be given the information as a full release. As it stands, your listing gives a reader the impression that this sample cannot be found anywhere because you have entered it as "Unreleased" when, by your own admission, it was. I'm not going to go in and re-edit this entry, you uploaded it and I frankly can't be that arsed to trample on your particular patch of this territory - I woud only appeal to your sense of pedantry to acknowledge that to someone interested in this track would be under the impression that this excerpt was "Unreleased" instead of what the sample excerpt was actually called on its FULL release.

Oh, and other thing - you read the title and listing on the cassette of "This Is Close" as titled "Best Of Close etc...". A warning; all the text on that part of the cassette insert is made up of, as per usual, the demented, arrogant, grandiose, pre-madonna waffling rantings of Mr Paul Morley (you ever get the feeling I ain't too keen on this self-serving prat?? For listening to him in interviews, you'd think the band would have never come to fruition without him. The arse.) The more comprehensive and accurate listing is on the other side of the insert, with the publishing legalities (reproduced here - http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=53431) and can also be found in detail in the fantastic booklet that accompanies the boxset "...Body, God?" (I'd get that if you haven't already - amazing package, from a fans perspective, truly amazing ...). Right, that's my nit-picking over and done with. Let bygones be bygones? Thumbsucker-UK 03:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I fully apreciate, as I did at the time the marketing angle that Paul Morley brought to AON, and yes, there is a deliberate obfuscation caused by calling a mix "unreleased" when I bought it in the Virgin Megastore in Leeds in 1984. The problem with "...Body, God?" is that it is a rewriting of history, of course. Nit picking is good as it gets to the truth of the matter! Briantist 09:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries

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Sorry, I usually try to, but don't if the change is very minor... Briantist 13:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Portal:BBC

Hi Briantist and thank you for helping out with the BBC Portal. Unfortunately, we cannot use the BBC logo anywhere other than within articles due to the fair use criteria that allows its usage on Misplaced Pages. I myself have had problems in the past with using the logo for the BBC stub template (the image was deleted) so unfortunately we are unable to use the BBC logo itself on the portal. We can however use images of BBC buildings, presenters and similar but rather annoyingly, not images. Wikiwoohoo 19:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I have a photo of the BBC logo that I took of the BBC logo at the science museaum, would that be OK?

I should imagine so, yes it would be. Wikiwoohoo 22:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Previewing

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I am using an unreliable internet connection and use the save facility to stop my working being lost. Briantist 10:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, can I suggest that you either 'select all' and 'copy' the whole content of the article before pressing preview so that you have a copy of the changes you have made, or that you copy the whole text into a text editor such as Notepad or Word, make your changes and then paste back into the edit box and press preview? Making many saves makes it harder for other editors to see what changes you have made as well as cluttering up the page history, recent changes and other peoples watchlists. (It also means you only need one edit summary.) Thanks, mattbr 11:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Is this a Misplaced Pages requirement or simply yours? Briantist 12:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It is not a requirement of Misplaced Pages or myself, but 'it is strongly recommended that you use this prior to saving' and it is considered good practice by other editors. mattbr 13:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

So you're just trying to impose your own rules. Nice try. Briantist 14:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a bureaucracy Briantist 18:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm not trying to impose my own rules, asking users to use the preview button is common practice, due to the reasons previously stated and those listed at the link above. I'm not asking you to reduce all your edits on a page into one, but twelve consecutive edits to one page in under half an hour, eight of which were within six minutes, is excessive, and I am asking you to please follow the spirit of this request. Thank you, mattbr 22:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a bureaucracy Briantist 11:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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I created the image ffs ••Briantist•• talk 07:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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Google

You seem like a very rude, but confused person to me. ••Briantist•• talk 23:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Most people are rude, yeah. Also, it's no wonder I'm confused what with the way you're responding to the same posts both on my talk page and mine. Love always, Grindingteeth 23:33, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

YOU should have answered on your own talk page, rather than post abuse on mine. ••Briantist•• talk 23:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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BBC One logos

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article BBC One logos, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Misplaced Pages, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. tgheretford (talk) 17:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The logos are covered textually in the BBC television idents anyway, so the BBC One logos article and the logos originally on the BBC One article are redundant. If any of the logos should go anywhere, it should be the BBC television ident article, as long as it stays within the WP:FAIR policy. --tgheretford (talk) 18:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. To your comments on the talk page of BBC One logos, you can endorse a prod by adding the {{Prod2}} template to the article page. Regards. --tgheretford (talk) 18:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Just to make you aware, the articles prod has been contested by an anonymous editor and has now been nominated for deletion as per WP:AfD. The discussion is here: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/BBC One logos --tgheretford (talk) 00:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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