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	Vernon Coleman was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Restore all the books and tv series Vernon Coleman has written and been in and remove the bit where he allegedly wrote an article for the scum denying the existence of aids in the 1980s because no one has given an exact date or year and remove “conspiracy theorist” “aids denalist” “pseudoscientific” and “discredited” because he has thousands of scientific papers backing him up which are no match for your 40 you supposedly have😂 or better still remove the protection 2A00:23C7:E901:C001:EDED:47E6:EAFB:4BE9 (talk) 22:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 22:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Provide reliable sources that discredit him and that make him a conspiracy theorist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:E901:C001:B5B3:2FAF:B135:94B5 (talk) 21:08, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Already done. See the sources used in the article. --Hob Gadling (talk) 16:23, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Biased Article

I'm a fan of Vernon Coleman and as a result I actually have previous versions of his Misplaced Pages page. Over recent years I have seen this page change greatly from one of summarizing the man and the positives and negatives of his life and career. This is called being unbiased and fair. However, what I have seen recently on this page is an attack on the man. He has done a lot of good throughout his life, but where is this mentioned in this page? This is why I don't rate Misplaced Pages. You sell it as though anyone can edit and contribute and yet if I edited this page and added some positives about Vernon Coleman's contribution to the debate, I know they would be deleted. The people editing this page have a hidden agenda. Where is the list of his more than 100 published books? Where is the list of his medical qualifications, as is done on other Misplaced Pages pages? etc etc etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.174.42 (talk) 15:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages articles do not usually list over 100 books. Excerpts, containing the most important ones, are fine. If you have reliable sources about any "medical qualifications", bring them.

We don't do WP:FALSEBALANCE. When reliable sources say mainly bad things about someone, Misplaced Pages will not try to mislead its readers by pretending that the good/bad ratio is 50/50. That would be dishonest. You want the article to be dishonest? --Hob Gadling (talk) 16:23, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

"Misplaced Pages will not try to mislead its readers by pretending that the good/bad ratio is 50/50. That would be dishonest." Eh? You don't want an unbiased article? What? Why does presenting an unbiased article have to be "pretending"? Why would showing both sides to an issue or person be considered "dishonest"? What a nutty stance to hold. It's like saying presenting both sides of the Brexit Referendum would have been "pretending and dishonest". You need to rethink your moral code. I see others have raised the point in this discussion area about a direct attack on Coleman, and they are right. "Excerpts, containing the most important ones, are fine." --> They are all there on his 2 websites and Amazon. "If you have reliable sources about any "medical qualifications", bring them." --> They are all there on his 2 websites.

If you disagree with WP:FALSEBALANCE, this is not the place to discuss it. The right place is Misplaced Pages talk:Neutral point of view. But you will not succeed because changing that guideline would be a really stupid and absurd idea that has been rejected before.

His website is not a reliable source. Neither is Amazon. See WP:RS. If you disagree with WP:RS, the right place is Misplaced Pages talk:Reliable sources, not here. But read the FAQ at the top first. And if you still want to change the rule to include unreliable sources: again, you will not succeed because changing that guideline would be a really stupid and absurd idea that has been rejected before. --Hob Gadling (talk) 21:34, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

"you will not succeed" --> which you sate twice. You sound like some sort of authoritarian judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one. "really stupid and absurd idea" --> Yes Mein Fuhrer. "His website is not a reliable source" --> Not a reliable source for a summary of his own books! Really! "want to change the rule" --> who wants to change Misplaced Pages's somewhat questionable rules. All I indicated at was listing some/all of his 100+ books, which used to be included but removed by someone or some body with a hidden agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.174.42 (talk) 15:08, 30 December 2021 (UTC) I expected this kind of response from Misplaced Pages and it moderators, some of which are a little dubious. The article still remains highly biased and a character assassination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.174.42 (talk) 15:10, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Firstly, learn to sign your posts. Secondly, instead of calling everybody Nazis, why dont you try being polite, and proposing some changes based on wikipedia Policy and Guidelines. You might be surprised, and I doubt anybody will be motivated to help you after your behaviour here. -Roxy the dog. wooF 15:15, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

"Firstly, learn to sign your posts" --> I don't think so as I have no interest in joining Misplaced Pages. "instead of calling everybody Nazis" --> I did not call EVERYBODY a Nazi - read the post. The rest is just petty and dodging the underlying issue, which still remains unresolved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.174.42 (talk) 13:38, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

You are concentrating on the wrong part of that response. The relevant part is try being polite, and proposing some changes based on wikipedia Policy and Guidelines.

You did not do that. You refuse to follow the rules or even try to understand them. That is your problem, not ours. I generously added signatures to your contributions, but don't expect people to keep cleaning up after you like that. Your next responses misusing this page as a forum will just be deleted. Go to a chatroom for puking. --Hob Gadling (talk) 19:51, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

A Similar Story of Bias and Attack on Dr Vernon Coleman on "History of cross-dressing"

I couldn't help but notice the similarly poorly written article "History of cross-dressing" and the continued character assassination of Dr Vernon Coleman. I have also added several points on that article's Talk page and will not repeat them here. Misplaced Pages is in danger of making libelous accusations against Dr Vernon Coleman and claims in writing that are not backed up and removed when challenged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.174.42 (talk) 13:38, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

As reported in The Independent: "Last Year Vernon Coleman came out as a transvestite. He published a book, Men In Dresses, which he rather grandly promoted as a European Medical Journal Special Report, in which he described himself as "someone who has gained great relief from stress by crossdressing... Dressing up in women's clothing is, he tells me, "relatively new. It happened by accident, just fooling around, and I discovered it was relaxing. I have a theory - it's obvious really - that we all have a bit of man and a bit of woman in us, and during the last few generations it's become easier for women to express the masculine side of the person, but men who have any sort of feminine part have to repress it. The urge to succeed, compete, be the best, diminishes. I notice I change: it's an excuse to become softer. I don't become so upset and cross about things.". You can read the article here https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/doctor-on-the-make-1303622.html MrEarlGray (talk) 14:11, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I very much doubt that Coleman himself would believe that reference to his cross-dressing is libellous. It is a rather endearing, humanising, feature (think how much of a national treasure Grayson Perry has become) that he freely acknowledges. You appear to have made up your mind about this article in advance without looking at the available reliable sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:19, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I would say that comparing Grayson Perry with Vernon Coleman is a bit chalk and cheesy, dont you think? Roxy the dog. wooF 16:56, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

"You appear to have made up your mind about this article in advance" --> That is incorrect. Misplaced Pages has it in for Dr Coleman and the article as a whole is poorly written. As an overview of Dr Coleman and his extensive writings, this article is in fact laughable. It is completely one-sided. "It is a rather endearing, humanising, feature (think how much of a national treasure Grayson Perry has become) that he freely acknowledges." --> This is pure speculation and takes someone with a degree of arrogance to state such. Ask Coleman if he believes references to him on Misplaced Pages are "endearing and humanising". In relation to his own page he writes on his own website : "... As a result of his video, his Misplaced Pages page was deliberately and dramatically changed by government employees and used to 'monster' him. All his lifetime achievements were removed. Without any evidence or justification he was, among other things, labelled a 'conspiracy theorist' and said to be 'widely discredited'. Google, which works with Misplaced Pages, reproduced the lies in an attempt to discredit him, so that nobody would believe his warnings. ..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.174.42 (talk) 18:09, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

That argument falls down at the phrase "without any evidence". Loads of evidence is presented in the Misplaced Pages article. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:21, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:BIO

Misplaced Pages, are we seriously suggesting that this man changed so much in two years?

• https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Vernon_Coleman&diff=1062975880&oldid=933840308 --81.204.112.85 (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Not really, but I think the current version is a great improvement over your example, we've done a great job catching up with reality, rather than the massaged version you present. Thanks. -Roxy the dog. wooF 16:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

"rather than the massaged version you present" --> Are you working for Google or the government in doing a character assassination on Coleman? The Misplaced Pages page on Dr Coleman is way too one-sided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.174.42 (talk) 18:12, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks. Autarch (talk) 18:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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