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	:Given the situation in Lebanon we are not likely to see an official estimate by Lebanese official given on-record, so anonymous sources reported by the media is probably the best thing we can get. Do you have any reason to doubt the number? Are there other sources quoting other estimates by "Lebanese officials"? I don't see the first source mentioning UN officials, and the second doesn't seem to be dealing with casualties at all, so it seems not to belong at all. I wouldn't mind "according to Lebanese officials as reported by the Telegraph", but it's too long for infobox and by the same token every other number not sourced from a primary source should also be described as "as reported by <news source name>". Instead, I suggest to trust valid media sources unless it can be demonstrated that other sources contradict them. Assuming that Hezbollah strived to lower the stimates and IDF to inflate them, the estimate seems quite reasonable, so I don't think this is an ] claim that requires many high-quality sources. ]]] 08:16, 11 January 2022 (UTC)		:Given the situation in Lebanon we are not likely to see an official estimate by Lebanese official given on-record, so anonymous sources reported by the media is probably the best thing we can get. Do you have any reason to doubt the number? Are there other sources quoting other estimates by "Lebanese officials"? I don't see the first source mentioning UN officials, and the second doesn't seem to be dealing with casualties at all, so it seems not to belong at all. I wouldn't mind "according to Lebanese officials as reported by the Telegraph", but it's too long for infobox and by the same token every other number not sourced from a primary source should also be described as "as reported by <news source name>". Instead, I suggest to trust valid media sources unless it can be demonstrated that other sources contradict them. Assuming that Hezbollah strived to lower the stimates and IDF to inflate them, the estimate seems quite reasonable, so I don't think this is an ] claim that requires many high-quality sources. ]]] 08:16, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

	::With a little hindsight, almost all serious estimates converged on two numbers. According to Lebanese sources and HRW, about 250 Hizbullah combatants were killed in the war. According to Israel government estimates, around 600 ~~according~~ were killed. That includes Military Intelligence and Foreign Ministry.		::With a little hindsight, almost all serious estimates converged on two numbers. According to Lebanese sources and HRW, about 250 Hizbullah combatants were killed in the war. According to Israel government estimates, around 600 were killed. That includes Military Intelligence and Foreign Ministry.

	::An Israeli newspaper (Yediot) claimed that the main reason for this discrepancy was that Israel included all Hizbullah activists killed but the Lebanese only included combatants.		::An Israeli newspaper (Yediot) claimed that the main reason for this discrepancy was that Israel included all Hizbullah activists killed but the Lebanese only included combatants.

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update commanders

Hello, you should add general Qasem Soleimani in the hezbollah commanders list.

Amirreza Vafaei Moghadam 17:33, 6 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astro amirreza (talk • contribs)

"Matériel" should be "Material" in Israel Defense Forces paragraph (Casualties & damages)

Small grammatical error, I don't even think it's worthy of a talk dection, but still. ConfusedEnoch (talk) 14:25, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

UNICEF report

UNICEF estimated that 30% of Lebanese killed were children under the age of 13.

The link is broke, but the article is found elsewhere. It doesn't specify children under 13, it just says a third were "children" which implies 17 and under. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoinItLikeADarBal (talk • contribs) 10:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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Could someone please revert this? It's not an "Israeli claim", but a fact. These fatalities are factual information and nobody disputes them. There's nobody claiming that more than 121 Israeli soldiers died in the war, and this information has been checked by non-Israeli (or non-government) sources.--Watchlonly (talk) 03:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Done - Sounds reasonable. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 05:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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Commanders in charge 1983kid (talk) 15:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Sources

I don't agree that the anonymous sources themselves, quoted by journalists are treated as credible sources in Misplaced Pages. Especially not with journalists in newspapers like the Telegraph. "Lebanese officials estimate" and "UN officials believe"?! I'm sure one could have interviewed many UN or Lebanese gov't reps saying quite different things at the time.

When Seymour Hersh quotes anonymous sources in the US administration claiming that the Syrian regime is innocent of chemical warfare, its OK to include this in Misplaced Pages. But the source should should be Hersh and not the "White House civil servents". I will therefore reverse Daveout's edits Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 03:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Given the situation in Lebanon we are not likely to see an official estimate by Lebanese official given on-record, so anonymous sources reported by the media is probably the best thing we can get. Do you have any reason to doubt the number? Are there other sources quoting other estimates by "Lebanese officials"? I don't see the first source mentioning UN officials, and the second doesn't seem to be dealing with casualties at all, so it seems not to belong at all. I wouldn't mind "according to Lebanese officials as reported by the Telegraph", but it's too long for infobox and by the same token every other number not sourced from a primary source should also be described as "as reported by <news source name>". Instead, I suggest to trust valid media sources unless it can be demonstrated that other sources contradict them. Assuming that Hezbollah strived to lower the stimates and IDF to inflate them, the estimate seems quite reasonable, so I don't think this is an WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim that requires many high-quality sources. “WarKosign ” 08:16, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

With a little hindsight, almost all serious estimates converged on two numbers. According to Lebanese sources and HRW, about 250 Hizbullah combatants were killed in the war. According to Israel government estimates, around 600 were killed. That includes Military Intelligence and Foreign Ministry.

An Israeli newspaper (Yediot) claimed that the main reason for this discrepancy was that Israel included all Hizbullah activists killed but the Lebanese only included combatants.

So delete all the tabloid rubbish and wartime rumours and speculations. We don't need Keegan's 2006 speculations about a 1000 dead (in a less than prophetic article entitled "Why Israel will go to war again – soon"). And we don't need the Telegraph's anonymous sources.

Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 15:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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