Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 17:41, 16 January 2022

Changing West Jerusalem to Jerusalem is a violation of the sanctions mentioned above

Motza is in West Jerusalem, so changing that is a violation of the sanctions. And you shouldn't make any edits at all relevant to the Arab-Israeli conflict at the moment. Doug Weller talk 17:36, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Doug, what are the rules of using West Jerusalem instead of Jerusalem?

Thank you for introducing me to Musakhan

I shall definitely be making this soon. Doug Weller talk 17:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Just made it yesterday, it's terrific. Highly recommended.

Copyright violation at Birzeit University

Your edit to Birzeit University has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Misplaced Pages without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Misplaced Pages:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Misplaced Pages. For legal reasons, Misplaced Pages cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Misplaced Pages:Copying text from other sources for more information. DanCherek (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

ARBPIA violation at Birzeit University, copyright problems and a temporary block

You've been told you shouldn't be making such edits. I'm also concerned about your lack of response to the copyright issues. You know about article talk pages but I'm wondering if you've discovered your own. To ensure that these issues don't continue, I'm giving you an indefinite block. That just means you're blocked until you start responding here and show that you understand the issues of copyright and editing in the area of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Doug Weller talk 11:13, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I have no idea why this edit is considered a violation. Where can I learn more about ARBPIA? A mentor could help. All I was trying to do is to give a more balanced account of the latest events.

January 2022

Tombah (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Thanks for helping me discover my talk page. But I strongly disagree with the latest change you did to the Birzeit University page. The current description of the latest events in unbalanced, and shows only half of the picture. Memri is not the only site used as reference. Please unblock me and then, suggest corrections to the introduction if needed, instead of deleting it all.

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

• the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Misplaced Pages, or
• the block is no longer necessary because you
  1. understand what you have been blocked for,
  2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
  3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla (talk) 11:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Tombah (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I didn't mean to cause any damage or disruption to Misplaced Pages. I'm still trying to figure out what was the exact violation I'm accused of, as I wasn't aware of the Talk Page, and didn't see the previous warnings. I sure didn't try to vandalize anything, just expand the Birzeit University to include recent events from various point of views. If there are any rules I can read about ARBPIA, I'd be happy to learn. Please unblock me. I have a lot more to contribute to Misplaced Pages.

Accept reason:

see discussion below. Doug Weller talk 17:41, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Users are not permitted to remove declined unblock requests. Lavalizard101 (talk) 13:12, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I also note that you are asking where you can learn more about ARBPIA. I can't understand this at all. An "alert" was posted to your talk page on December 27th by User:Huldra. This included the statement "Please note the 30/500 rule; editors must be registered for at least 30 days, and have at least 500 edits in order to edit in the IP (=Israel-Palestine) area, cheers,". You deleted that today as well as User:Diannaa's copyright warning. If you don't understand why this edit is related to the Arab-Israeli conflict then I'm concerned about your ability to edit in the area. The same goes for changing from West Jerusalem to Jerusalem.

But I've got an almost bigger worry. I said you hadn't discovered your talk page and you thanked me for helping you discover it. But I was wrong, you discovered it on January 3rd when you edited it. Doug Weller talk 13:33, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Doug, let me explain: Today was in fact the first time I learned what user page should look like, after seeing yours and some few others. I learned that most people delete older messages to keep the talk page up to date, and this is why I deleted older messages.

About the Birzeit University edit - Of course I understand how the page is related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but what I don't get is why my edit is considered a violation of the rules. I was trying to be respectful for the two sides and balance the account, as the previous description of it seemed pretty unbalanced. It almost looks like the Israel military stormed the place for no real reason, but there was a real reason behind it, as Palestinian militants held rallies there and called for the continuation of suicide bombings against Israelis (like me). I wish it wasn't true, but the YouTube link I added depicts that perfectly. When I entered the page mentioned by Huldra, I didn't find specific instructions there what is okay and what's not when editing a page related to the conflict, and I still don't get why the Birzeit edit was a violation. I could use a more exact guidance - what are the rules?

As of the talk page - well, that's correct. The last edit you saw is surely me, but it was using my mobile phone, trying to understand what to do with the notification I got. I admit it took me a while to understand the Talk Page dynamics - I thought of the messages as notifications (like in Facebook), not something that should be answered separately. About copyright violations - after reading the copyright violation guide, I understand that what I was doing (changing some wording but still using the general structure used by the original reference) is wrong.

Again, I kindly ask for unblock. As I hope you can see, I have contributed lots of articles to Misplaced Pages in the last two months since I joined. Most are related to Biblical archaeology, Palestinian culinary, world history, religion and more. Please have some good faith in me... that's all I ask (except some clearer instructions for ARBPIA. :)).

Please read my post above this one - I'm not clear what part you don't understand about your restrictions at the moment against editing in the area. You also haven't responded about copyright. Don't forget to sign with 4 tildes, eg ~~~~ Doug Weller talk 10:52, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

About ARBPIA - do we have a clearer guide, "Do" and "Don't do", about the Israel/Palestinian conflict? Where can I find it? Regarding the copyright issues - truth is I thought that a superficial change of words will suffice, but after reading the guide, I acknowledge my mistake... I understand the two options are: (1) Rewrite the quote completely using my own words; (2) employing quotation. Tom Bahar (talk) 17:35, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

First, before you edit an article that might be in some way related to the conflict, read the top of the talk page. If it mentions discretionary sanctions it may also mention restrictions such was WP:1RR. When you edit an article, make sure you read anything at the top of the edit window. Don't change sourced text unless you have checked the source - editors mess around with the words Israel, Canaan, Palestine and Levant without seeing what the source says - we follow the source. Don't use your own opinions of what something should say, again, we use sources. Make sure you've read WP:V, WP:RS and WP:NPOV. Be civil, but I don't see that as a problem for you. Do you understand my comments on West Jerusalem and why your edit at Birzeit University was related to the conflict? And finally, you should not edit articles related to the subject or sections of articles related to the subject until you have 500 edits. In fact some articles you actually can't edit. Any more questions? Doug Weller talk 14:15, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I've read WP:V, WP:RS and WP:NPOV, thank your for that. Yes, I do understand your comments about Jerusalem and Birzeit, and I promise I won't edit any article related to the Israel-Palestinian conflict until I reach the 500 edits mark. You have my word. About Jerusalem - Full disclosure: I'm living in Jerusalem and personally I'm having trouble with having to specify which part of the city I'm referring to at each point (putting ideology aside, as it is not professional - I naturally don't think that way, especially when describing distances from the city as I did on the Solomon's Temple page regarding the Motza Temple. And we all pay taxes to the same municipal authorities). In any case, if these are the guidelines Misplaced Pages decided to adopt, I'd do everything I can to follow them.
I admit I'm not sure I fully understood the point about my latest edit at Birzeit University: Now, I understand it was a copyright violation, and that Memri isn't considered a reliable source according to Misplaced Pages standards. I do feel I have to stress the point that the video I used as reference is indeed real, and I thought that expanding that paragraph to include the Israeli POV is necessary for assuring the neutrality of the article (I think the current description of recent events present a much Pro-Palestinian POV). So, here's my last question: except the copyright issues, editing the article before reaching 500 edits, and the MEMRI reliability: how could I add the Israeli POV to the article without violating ARBPIA. Tom Bahar (talk) 16:47, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I'd say that if an event is significant enough to be included, you need several mainstream sources. But otherwise it would probably have been ok if you had 500 edits. I'm unblocking you now. Doug Weller talk 17:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)