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African Code

By the way, do you own the copyright to the material you copied from the website http://www.africancode.org/ ? Please state whether or not this is the case. If not, it will be deleted relatively quickly. - Nat Krause 14:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

June 27

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== Black or African ==

I read your comments in the Black people article, and I hope you read my response there. To summarize, i find what you say slightly compelling, however, the human ability to see dark and light contrasts with skin color was not invented by white oppresssors. The word Black (in whatever languages) has been used to describe dark skinned humans from Africa (and elsewhere) long long before Europe and Rome came into the picture. Africa on the other hand is named after a man named Africanus, which I do not find more respectful to adopt. In any event the word "Africa" comes from a Roman or Greek interpretation of a land with sun. This may be "more" appropriate, but again this is imposed by Europeans, not by the people of the land themselves. So I do not find myself compelled to use a greek/latin interpretation. But that's just me. I cannot call an Australian Aboriginal an "African". Maybe in a sense of comeraderie and unity, but not as a matter of objectivity. --Zaphnathpaaneah 07:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Arabs and Greeks referred to Africans as "black" but this was not a racial label, and moreover Africans themselves did not adopt it. Like the people the Greeks called Phoenicians, "red people" but no Phoenician would have referred to themselves as being Phoenicians. Yes,I agree, Africa was a foreign name given to us(maybe- because no one has any facts on the source of the name, some say it is a Berber word the Romans changed), but it was given to us by our contemporaries not our conquerors. In addition, Africa is a name of a place and Africans are simply people who come from that place; Africa is a word which references a geographical location. Sudan, ‘Land of the Blacks ‘ in Arabic and Ethiopia, ‘burnt face’ from the Greek highlights African people have in antiquity been labeled also as have most peoples. But if we use African maybe in the future if we change it to Nubia or whatever the principle of naming is politically correct, so African is fine as a name for the people native to this amazing land --Halaqah 14:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

No one is questioning the racialocity of the label. The label was used and it certainly was adopted by SOME Africans. The Kushites themselves called themselves "Kushites". I am certainly fine with being identified and known as a black person. The word itself is not a bad or good thing. It's an observation. And I am not going to sacrifice the obvious truth that black people through the world have a connection in order to fulfull some analy retentive "politically correct" notion that the word and concept of a "black person" is "bad" or that it came from "conquerers" (except those examples where it didn't which obviously contradicts your position). --Zaphnathpaaneah 04:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

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WP:NOR

We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as those in Christianity, but we regretfully cannot accept original research. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thanks for your efforts, and happy editing! Elliskev 14:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Christianity and Slavery

Great work on this article, I was hoping someone would come along and expand it :) - Francis Tyers · 14:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks i think it needs to be developed, I am trying to add the race dynamics thing to the critic of Christianity thing because they have written so many pages, but forgotten to discuss race-domination in religion--Halaqah 14:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

User page

In case you are unaware, I'm just letting you know that your user page is up for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Halaqah. Cheers, Yomangani 14:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC) This is a message for the one who deleted the link African Holocaust. I dont care if you think it is spamming the facts are this site deals with slavery. If Steven Hawkins contributed to "Black Holes" would you delete it. You can only delete a link for a valid reason. the site deals with slavery in debt, hence it is relevant. the film on slavery is a film on slavery. all of these things are facts, so there is zero reason to remove the link. Films on slavery--then it is 500 Years Later isnt it a film on Slavery? so leave it alone--Halaqah 15:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have no idea what you are talking about - I was merely informing you that your page has been put up for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Halaqah (by somebody else), in case you wanted to comment. Yomangani 15:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem - which page has the link been removed from? I'll have a look and see if I can help you find out who removed it. Yomangani 15:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you give me a link to the page that it was on? Yomangani 15:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, that change was done by Pavel Vozenilek as you can see here:, who seems to think that they had a valid reason for doing it (at least one of the links was duplicated, so that definitely did need removing). I suggest you talk to them about it, but try not to be too confrontational (adding the title to the question in ALL CAPITALS can seem rather uncivil). If you need any further help drop me a note. Yomangani 15:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, things can get heated sometimes, especially when you are editing contentious articles like Slavery, but don't take it personally, (most) people are really looking out for the encyclopaedia rather than nursing a grudge. There's a good essay on dealing with such conflicts here. Cheers, Yomangani 23:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

MfD

Hi,

The MfD discussion on your userpage has closed as keep. Best wishes, Xoloz 15:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

zap got blocked for good, shame

Heads up

These just appeared on my radar, I am curious to know what you think: http://en.wikipedia.org/West_african_type, http://en.wikipedia.org/Nilotic_type Slrubenstein | Talk 16:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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Osirica

Thanks for the cleanup. I was considering blocking the page, but if I'm wrong, this person can't communicate. I also think that it's wise to leave the comments as evidence. If any more sleepers turn up, let me know. This Zapha-whatsits guy is pure poison. - Lucky 6.9 09:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Guy's a loser. I'm just trying to err on the side of caution, even though a blind man could see that this is the same guy if he was reading his monitor with a cane. I've left word with a sysop to run an IP check. Hopefully, we can turn up more of these sleeper accounts. Someone like that with an axe to grind likely has a contingency plan in place. - Lucky 6.9 09:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

My, does that modus operandi sound familiar. I tried to diffuse a nasty situation by helping this clown with a problem he was having and he proceeded to rip me a new one. OK, you got it. The comments are in the edit history if anyone's interested. - Lucky 6.9 09:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Blackpeoplecomposite.jpg

Since no definitive proof was ever provided regarding one of the pictures in this collage (Image:Amhara woman.jpg), I have deleted the collage. The other pictures used in it seem to be OK, so if you wish to recreate the collage with those I don't think you'd run into any problems. --cholmes75 20:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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Hey man, Halaqah how are you, seeing as you are African, and a good argumentative writer man, i need to call your attention to an article, this Yom guy from Arab slave trade brought his POV to an article called - afro arabs. About african arabs basically, ie. arabs who are black. Check it out man, and give your input, because to me it seemed totally unfair, biassed and ignorant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gmflash (talk • contribs) 23:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC). Gmflash

THANX

ThankU 4 the quick reply my brother. Don't know why everyone seems to be on ur case on wiki. But there are a lot of Eurocentrist on this site, sadly. Hope you found some of my topics of interest. I specialize in collecting info on pre-colonial Africa, especial West Africa. I've contributed a lot to the Mali Empire page. Peace2you and keep up the good work Scott Free 01:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

8 way Geo Template

Why did you remove the Ethiopian template, people can better understand geography if they can see who is next door.--Halaqah 13:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I have deleted the 8 way template because it is a waste of space that does not accomplish the goal of showing geographic relationship. People should be given a map of Africa or East Africa next to the Arabian peninsula. Substituting lists of words and flags for a visual representation of geographic relationships is not a good technique. Even you use the word "see" and not "read". The template is going to be deleted for excellent reasons, including hideous ugliness: Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Geographic_Location_.288-way.29. -- Hu 14:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

well it was ugly, i agree there, but sometimes maps dont show the boundaries properly--Halaqah 15:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Then correct the map. Hu 15:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Mediation case

Now that I have skimmed the Mediation case (Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-08-08 Black people) I see that we have a much bigger problem than I realized. Editingoprah and his or her sock puppets have been causing problems for a long long time. I think that if Editingoprah/Kobrakid/Timelist etc does not want to adopt their own article to edit and leave this one alone, we should get them barred from this article. It is clear that they have had some sort of crazy irrational agenda for many months that no one else agrees with. I am sorry to sound so harsh but that is what it looks like to me. I should have realized this sooner.--Filll 14:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Extent of Problem

Suspected Sockpuppets of Editingoprah:

• User:64.230.72.185
• User:Aquadaqua
• User:Cardriver
• User:Kittykash
• User:Kobrakid
• User:Timelist
• User:Vexel
• User:Liketoread
• User:Whatdoyou

Take a look at Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Editingoprah.M This is one person who has been harassing other users here for months and months and ignoring mediation attempts. We have a problem.--Filll 16:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad

Hi bro, can I ask if you will be playing a role in cleaning up the Muhammad article. It is getting way too long. FrummerThanThou 20:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Slavery

Thanks for the link which I'll be sure to watch. It doesn't matter what I personally believe. It's about what I can cite from a reputable, un-biased source. The origin of the myth that the Jews had a greater involvement in the slave trade than they actually did is a know anti-semitic tactic. I direct you to the ADL report here . Bigotry should not be clouding our judgment and as such, just like any article, if something cannot be verified, it doesn't stay in the article. The integrity of the subject of slavery should not be detracted from with false facts and lies. Hate begets hate. --yonkeltron 17:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

3RR warning

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. At any rate please do not do more than three reverts in a 24h period. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. ←Humus sapiens 21:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

You were warned about 3RR and still you chose to violate it. Don't be surprised if you will be reported and blocked. ←Humus sapiens 10:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought I'd let it slip this time but your incivility , straw man , bad faith, allegations of conspiracies convinced me that you need time to review WP policies. ←Humus sapiens 12:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

u will notice that my contributions to racism have been included, the same contributions you were blindly vandalising, so i have been vindicated.--Halaqah 12:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

--PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Well i am back, i think people should go and see what i did to get blocked, i rest my case talk:Racism

i wish wikipedia was what i said it was but i realize it is impossible because there cant be balance if the power to talk, the power to disagree, the editors, the this and that all come from one place, one mindset, you cant even cite and African source,m but CNN and BBC are ok, how do we stand a chance, who owns these places? B British B Broadcasting is that fair?--Halaqah 03:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

If you need some help with sources, contact me on my talk page. In return, I may ask for your help on Africa-related articles. —Viriditas | Talk 10:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Environmental issues in Ethiopia

• You blanked a page. That is why. If you did not mean to that is fine. --Sir james paul 21:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

please revert edits . If you look you will see i am the one that created it see the new home for the info, it would create duplicate info with close name, so i merged my info into the above page.--Halaqah 21:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi. If you want to have a page you created deleted (and you were the only editor), add the {{db-author}} tag, and an admin will delete it for you. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 21:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you want Ethiopian environmental issues deleted, or are you still busy merging it into something else? If you're merging it, just redirect it to the page you merge it to to preserve the edit history. I'll remove the tag for now until I hear something different. You can reply here. Thanks!--Kchase T 21:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

test--HalaqaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 23:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Ethiopia

Hello. Have you thought about joining Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Ethiopia? —Viriditas | Talk 23:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Al Amoudi

There's a dispute over at Mohammed Al Amoudi about his ancestry. Can you help out and arbitrate? — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 21:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

i will try .--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 22:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hope it Will help --203.173.50.197 12:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks , we know this is true, but they will not allow the site because it is a blog, hence anyone could have written it. dont worry he is one person pushing a serious pov, i saw his activity re-writing the def of Arab, saying they were a white race. his agenda has been exposed.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 12:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

A question

I see on your userpage, you describe how you have spent a long time studying African. What do you mean? The language? The culture? The lot? Rosenkreuz 13:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

the lot--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 13:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

MA

No problem. I changed the bit saying "denied" to "stated", more neutral. - Francis Tyers · 14:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Halaqah, please be mindful of your reverting relative to the Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule. I strongly recommend you read that policy for I believe you are already in violation of it. The individuals whom you are reverting against have a history of relying upon 3RR enforcement to block those with whom they are in content disagreeance. (→Netscott) 15:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

For what is he best known in areas of Africa beyond the points you have contention with? (→Netscott) 15:32, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you honestly say that were it not for the controversies he has created he would be known across the world? I tend to agree with User:Beit Or (who I have conflicted with in the past) when he says that Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani isn't as well known as Ahmadinejad precisely because Rafsanjani was never anywhere near as controversial. (→Netscott) 15:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, it appears that you are describing your perceptions for what he is known in Ethiopia but again can you honestly say that he's known for those perceptions in places like Russia or other countries in Asia? Essentially what I am asking is what can be said about what he is generally known for across the globe? I will be surprised if you respond that he is best known in the world relative to what you've described. (→Netscott) 15:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Blocked #2

-Will Beback · † · 19:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I contacted Will Beback, the administrator who blocked you, and he says he is willing to reduce the block if you promise to discuss controversial changes to articles on article talk pages before you make them. I hope you decide to do this, and keep on editing Misplaced Pages. KazakhPol 21:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

If you run into the position in which you want the page reverted, but you cant revert because of WP:3RR, contact me and I will be more than happy to assist. KazakhPol 19:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Malaysia

I added citation tags there, but feel free to remove the whole section, because it's pretty much nonsense. Jayjg 16:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Kwanzaa

Might I politely suggest that your most recent posting at Talk:Kwanzaa sounds like you are asserting control or ownership over the article, and that Telling People What To Do often has exactly the opposite effect from what you intend. Declarations like that are waving a red flag at a bull. Just a thought. (You are of course correct -- consensus is clear that the article is about Kwanzaa, and that unsavory facts about Karenga belong on his page. I'm just referring to the tone of the comment, not the content.) --jpgordon 07:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see how anything i my comments could suggest that, people using the Kwanzaa page to attack and critic Karenga is very popular and despite making it clear they continue. You have unsuccesful interprited what i have said. It is a valid statement which says these wild pov to discredit kwanza by injuring karenga cannot be allowed and i will delete them if they continue. i c no issue with that , it isnt open season on Karenga and he doesnt have an entire camp to protect him like some people on wikipedia, its not fair, and i am fed up of the attacks by lazy people who hate any progressive succesful african that makes black people African--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 07:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'm sorry you seem not to have understood the intent of my message; we're not on different sides here, and I've been protecting that article from vandals since long before you started editing here -- and this includes working keeping irrelevancies and side issues out of the article, and working to maintain the consensus to do so. No, I don't catch every single one of them, and I'm glad you're there too. Note that it's not all vandalism -- a good argument can be made that perhaps more detail about Karenga should be in the article, but the consensus is that less is better than more in this case, and edits against consensus aren't necessarily vandalism. (Depends how persistent the individual is.) --jpgordon 07:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Yeah. Unfortunately, there's no shortage of both virulent and subtle racists in pretty much every sector of the World Wide Web, and that most certainly includes Misplaced Pages. Some think that's a function of the whiteboy geekdom domination of the medium, and it might be -- I necessarily have a blind spot in that regard, being a whiteboy geek. I think it's more general -- there are a lot of jerks in the world, and an inordinate number of them have learned to use computers. --jpgordon 07:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

boy people

they attack kwanza, karenga farrakhan, y? mayb something they r saying.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 03:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

zanj issue

Since I'm basing my edits on the standard modern Arabic-English scholarly dictionary, while it seems extremely likely that you wouldn't even know how to use an Arabic dictionary, it's highly hubristic of you to accuse me of "vandalism". If you can't conduct an honest disagreement without stooping to accusactions of "vandalism", then it reflects negatively on yourself, not to mention being rather poor form according to the conventions of Misplaced Pages. Furthermore, I notice that from the contents of this user talk page that you've been blocked or suspended multiple times, while I never have been once -- so according to that criterion, you're the "vandal"... AnonMoos 02:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

yes i get blocked so what? Look at why i get blocked. u cant revert against a ref all the time, why r u doing this to what end. keep adding something against the 3 seperate refernce, 3 sources say East African. black people is a broad social construction, you can delete this if you like. i bring a case and you just revert it. because of one outdated source which is a rude generalized book of ancient terms like Negro.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 02:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Eric Williams

I was wondering about your addition of Category:Pan-Africanism to the article. What I know of Williams doesn't come across as a Pan-Africanist at all. Do you have a source calling him this? Guettarda 22:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Kriss Donald article

I'm posting here because of some problems ongoing on the Kriss Donald page. Basically it's similar to what happened with the reverse discrimination page - someone is trying to present a biased perspective by adopting the language of a particular point of view and repeatedly reverting against inclusion of material which doesn't fit into this POV. This user has argued that patently relevant material is irrelevant, that anti-racist views are "tiny minority" and that the positions taken in anti-racist sociology and postcolonial theory are irrelevant.

While I'm aware there's a few problems with my own contribution, I don't really have time to clean them up when they'd just get deleted anyway.

-82.31.15.153 04:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Minor question

Why don't you try tagging the article with {{onesource}}? Also, does this source meet WP:RS? Perhaps you can improve the article by adding additional sources. Khoikhoi 04:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks for that--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 04:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Article importance

Hi Halaqah -- I'm dropping a note about the rating of Environmental issues in Ethiopia: I moved it down from "Top" to "Mid" "High", mostly because I'm not comfortable about rating it at this importance without a discussion. (It would also help if related articles for other African countries had a comparable rating -- or even any rating at all.) I'm not hard-&-fast on this, nor is this intended as a reflection on you, (nor do I want to get into an edit war about this), so I'd like to discuss this over on this article's Talk page. -- llywrch 20:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, my rating of importance wasn't about whether the article was complete, it was about its importance rating -- Top, High, Mid, Low. If you feel that it should be rated Top, let's discuss it at Talk: Environmental issues in Ethiopia. (If not, don't answer & I'll work on something else.) As a last note, if you are looking for more information for that article, the Oromia Reginoal government website was a lot of information on its economy & ecology at http://www.oromiagov.org/gerenal.asp that you might find useful. -- llywrch 01:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:IP

If its just one editor place warnings after each of its edits then report at WP:AIV after the forth for a block. Gnangarra 09:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

A little moral support

I've just been browsing at some of your contributions, in particular the stuff about Desmond Tutu at talk:racism. You've certainly picked yourself some tough battles! Anyway, I just want to offer you a little moral support. I've encountered similar tactics in my own corner of Misplaced Pages and the experience has been far from pleasant.

I added a comment at the end of all that stuff about Desmond Tutu by the way. If you ever want me to take a look at something that is going on then please ask and I will do my best (inbetween whatever I am doing in real life of course).

For maximum long-term sanity always remember to breathe slowly and deeply, take wikibreaks when you need to, and never edit on an empty stomach. Ireneshusband 22:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

RE: classification under apartheid

yes, you are right, Khoisan were often classified as coloureds, but I cannot imagine that this was done to create more tension between them and the Zulu (in areas where Khoisan mostly lived during the Apartheid (Northern Cape) there were hardly any Zulus, so this claim doesn't make much sense to me). I haven't found much literature on the topic, there is a general article on Nama in Richtersveld with few facts about the Apartheid time (Berzborn, Susanne. 2003. “Ek is ‘n Nama want ek praat die taal”. The Richtersveld and the national language policy in South Africa. In T. Hohmann, ed., San and the state. Contesting land, development, identity and representation, 327-367. Cologne: Rüdiger Köppe Verlag), but it might be difficult to get (depending on where you are). The mere fact of classifying Khoisan as Coloureds is stated for instance in Saunders, Christopher, and Nicholas Southey, 2001, A Dictionary of South Africa History. Cape Town & Johannesburg: David Philip.
Greetings, Newydd, 11 January, 2007

do u have any info on the khoisan under apartheid? i read they were sometimes clased as colored to create more tension between them and zulu people.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 23:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Ge'ez spelling of your name

Hey Halaqah, if you are trying to recreate Arabic حَلَقَة, the correct Ge'ez script would be ሐላቃህ. Arabic ta-marbuta (ة) usually corresponds to EthioSemitic "-at" (for Ge'ez) or "-et" like Hayaah/Hayaat vs. Hiywet. Also, arabic short "a" corresponds with first order "-e," so it would be "ለ" to make it cognate, but "ላ" just to recreate the same sound (compare Shermut'a - ሸርሙጣ, vs. Arabic Sharmut'a with short "a"). Just a suggestion. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 01:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

now i can spell my username, but the (ቃ) isnt that like Kebe a very K sound as opposed to a "QUAH"?---HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 01:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

"ቃ" is the ejective "k," yes, but it's spelled "q," because that's what it means. Think of the letter "q" and "ቃ," don't they look alike? They both come from the same ancient Egyptian hieroglyph. Whenever the word in arabic has qaaf, it has "ቃ" in Ethiopian languages (think Qemis, for example, which is a loan from Arabic, which in turn is from Aramaic). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 01:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop using pointless inflammatory language

Stop calling my edits "vandalism" when you know very well that they're not "vandalism", and stop calling them "unsourced" when you know very well that I've given multiple sources on past occasions. This does nothing whatsoever to lay the groundwork for futre constructive and mutually productive discussion. If your Arabic is up to par, then please inform yourself by looking up the meanings of the words زنج and related words derived from the same triliteral root ز ن ج in a suitable Arabic dictionary. If the state of your skills is such that you are not able to look things up in an Arabic dictionary in this way, then you probably shouldn't be trying to lay down the law on the meaning of Arabic words. AnonMoos 20:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop inept attempt to start RFC

Dude, you added the RFC to the "certified" section of page Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/User conduct when your request was NOT "certified" (and in fact you hadn't even begun to go through the first necessary steps of starting up an RFC process) -- this is incompetent at best, and deceptive at worst. Furthermore, considering that you have constantly been accusing me of being racist and a bigot, and calling my edits "vandalism" when you know very well that they aren't vandalism, and calling my edits "unsourced" when you know very well that they aren't "unsourced", and dismissing standard scholarly linguistic sources like the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic without offering the slightest relevant reasons for doing so, and without bringing in any relevant sources of your own, you're treading upon a very thin ice of hypocrisy here, since your own behavior would seem to be far from being above reproach.

Of course, I'm still waiting for you to either look up the meanings of the words زنج and related words derived from the same triliteral root ز ن ج in a suitable Arabic dictionary and report back the results, or to admit that the state of your skills is such that you are not able to look things up in an Arabic dictionary in this way. Doing either one of these would do much to clear the air (but judging by your past performances, you'll do neither). AnonMoos 20:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks

I never claimed to be an Arabic speaker, and have never claimed that my knowledge of the Arabic language to be anything other than it is -- based exclusively on written Arabic, using knowledge derived from dictionaries and grammars of written Arabic, aided slightly by my knowledge of ancient Hebrew and comparative Semitic linguistics. So what I know is what is in my dictionaries (which include the standard modern scholarly English-Arabic dictionary). Halaqah in that form (with three syllables) is not included in the standard modern scholarly English-Arabic dictionary, so it would appear not to be a common form in Modern Standard Written Arabic (though several other words with meanings somewhat similar to "circle" derived from root ح ل ق do appear in this dictionary). Halaqah could very well be a popular word in several spoken vernacular dialects, but that is not a kind of Arabic that I have tried to learn or have ever claimed to have any knowledge of.

Meanwhile, Halaqah is not relevant to article Zanj, but زنج , زنوج , and زنجي are highly relevant, so that it would greatly facilitate bringing this matter to a conclusion if you could look these words up in an Arabic dictionary, and report back what you find.

And if you would stop calling my edits "vandalism" when you know very well that they aren't vandalism, and calling my edits "unsourced" when you know very well that they aren't "unsourced", that would pretty much end the "personal attacks"... AnonMoos 21:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I never attacked your knowledge start there, u attacked mine. What does Sudan mean, but you have the Arabic def for Sudan for Arabic, is this correct?--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 21:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Since consistently from beginning to end you have never employed your claimed Arabic knowledge in any way that would be useful for settling the disputed points about article Zanj, that naturally serves to create doubt concerning the status of your aforesaid claims. And I discussed the meaning of Sudan (as well as the fact that "Zanj" in Arabic does not mean "black" in the sense of the abstract color) in old Decemnber comments on Talk:Zanj. AnonMoos 21:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Use the source, Luke

I have just removed your "Where is the source?" ranting from my user talk page, since my primary source (as I've said repeatedly over and over again many times) is the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic and other comprehensive scholarly Arabic dictionaries -- which all say basically the same thing, and which you haven't presented anything relevant to cast into question. (I actually have other sources, which we could get to if and when you ever get around to acknowledging the dictionaries, and stop trying to prove that Hans Wehr beat his wife.) AnonMoos 21:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

What "three sources" are those? The burden is on you to show that these sources, whatever they are, prove the incorrectness of the the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic and the other other comprehensive scholarly Arabic dictionaries -- which all say basically the same thing. So far you haven't presented the slightest evidence that anything in any sources does any thing to cast any doubt on the accepted linguistic facts of the Arabic language. AnonMoos 21:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Use the source, Luke (pt 2)

I have just removed your second round of "NO SOURCE!" ranting from my user talk page, since you know very well (as I've said repeatedly over and over and over again many many times) that my primary source is the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic and other comprehensive scholarly Arabic dictionaries -- which all say basically the same thing, which you haven't presented the slightest relevant information to cast into question... AnonMoos 21:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

No source, the user doesnt understand you must add valid source, inline sources. You cant tell me some book says so, i am an editor not a reader. You are giving misinformation without evidence in the article of where it comes from. you have mangled or confused the def of zanj with Sudan, two different words. Sudan is a place (land of the Blacks) Zanj was a term for some East Africans, excluding groups like the Dinka, an many Sourthern Ethiopian poeple. Zanj doesn mean Black people as this term includes too many ethnic groups and Zanj was not inclusive of these groups.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 22:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Dude, don't tell me what I am finding and not finding in the dictionary, when what you are saying is contradicted by the direct and immediate evidence of my own eyes. Root س و د (from which words meaning "black" in the sense of an abstract color are derived) is defined on page 513 of the dictionary, while root ز ن ج (whose historically-changing range of meanings I have adequately explained in past comments on Talk:Zanj) is defined on pages 445-446 of the book. These entries are over 50 pages apart in the dictionary.

I'm perfectly happy to add a formal reference to the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic in article Zanj, but the process is not facilitated by you telling me things which I know are factually false. AnonMoos 22:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I dont know how one dictonary could be Gods final word on anything, how it could be such an authority, why? if that is true everything on wiki should be deleted and replaced with what some dictonary says. Should we do that, delete all the zanj content and let this Arab-English dictonary tell us all about the Zanj?--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 23:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic

It is not an "article", it's a book of 1,301 pages (4th edition of 1994). The root ز ن ج appears on pages 444-445, and the dictionary definitions of the various forms derived from this root are pretty much what I already gave you in my December comments on Talk:Zanj (don't feel like retyping those in here). AnonMoos 22:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

y r u giving them to me, give them as stated in the source, i am just an editor, And dont change my sources to fit your definition. how can this be valid, you can only state your source dont change mine, to fit yours. or are you saying your sources are better? --HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 22:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

dravidians

hey dude, I think we had that Dravidian issue allready on th black people page. We discussed it before.---> Dravdians (Indians) do not belong into the Black people article. I removed it from the Sociopolitical definitions, but let it ont the Criticism of definitions part. Nirmala Rajasinghams POV isn't whished either. thx ****Asian2duracell 00:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)****

Y does everyone call me dude?

How do you know i am not a Nubian Queen? I am not from Cali, and dont plan to go back to Cali anytime soon--re LL cool J.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 02:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

hey

I just want to say I completely disagree with your views on Israel, and even your edits, but I admire the way you handle yourself. I admire the way you deal with Humus, who I think is being a bit unfair to you, and presumptous perhaps at time. I just want to tell you that I'm Jewish and that even though I disagree with your views I respect your conduct and you bring credit to your position. Tell me if you need a hand on a certain article. Peace friend, --Urthogie 02:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Filing a complaint against Asian2duracell

I am sending you this message in regards to a report I am filing against Asian2duracell to the Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration. He has been found guilty of racial intollerance, name calling, trolling, sock puppetry, and vandalism. All other methods of conflict resolution have been tried and failed. Please let me know that you are aware of this request and if you would like to participate in this. Regards. Wiki Raja 01:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

3RR

I've blocked you for 3RR. Since this is your 3rd 3RR block I've made it 48 hours. I suggest that when you come back you discuss on the talk page making a compromise version of the Israel section. JoshuaZ 21:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)