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	] → ? – I am unsure if (Gambia) is a proper disambiguator but wondering if the correct style for one with the definite article is (the Gambia) or (The Gambia)? Capitalization is inconsistent in other pages () and I cannot find an appropriate guideline. ] (she/her • ] • ]) 07:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC) <small>— '''''Relisting.''''' ] (]) 19:04, 22 January 2022 (UTC)</small>		] → ? – I am unsure if (Gambia) is a proper disambiguator but wondering if the correct style for one with the definite article is (the Gambia) or (The Gambia)? Capitalization is inconsistent in other pages () and I cannot find an appropriate guideline. ] (she/her • ] • ]) 07:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC) <small>— '''''Relisting.''''' ] (]) 19:04, 22 January 2022 (UTC)</small><small>— '''''Relisting.''''' <small style="color:#999;text-shadow:#D3D3D3 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 19:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)</small>
	*'''Why are you sure''' that (Gambia) is not an OK disambiguator? Seems clear enough. ] (]) 05:08, 17 January 2022 (UTC)		*'''Why are you sure''' that (Gambia) is not an OK disambiguator? Seems clear enough. ] (]) 05:08, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
	*:@] The main issue is that ] typically takes the definite article, but I could not find any guidance on the matter. I consulted existing guidance and discussions and could not find any precedent, and we have pages with varying usages among the 30 or so that use a disambiguator: ], ], ]. Our article indicates, {{tq\|The Gambia is one of a very small number of countries for which the definite article is commonly used in its English-language name ... The article is also officially used by the country's government and by international bodies. The article was originally used because the region was named for "the Gambia ". In 1964, shortly prior to the country's independence, then-Prime Minister Dawda Jawara wrote to the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British Official Use requesting that the name the Gambia retain the definite article, in part to reduce confusion with Zambia which had also recently become independent. At present, both Gambia and the Gambia are in common use.}} One of the reasons for opening this discussion is to have a record of what the correct usage is so that people in this situation do not have to open one like I do to find out. ] (she/her • ] • ]) 08:39, 17 January 2022 (UTC)		*:@] The main issue is that ] typically takes the definite article, but I could not find any guidance on the matter. I consulted existing guidance and discussions and could not find any precedent, and we have pages with varying usages among the 30 or so that use a disambiguator: ], ], ]. Our article indicates, {{tq\|The Gambia is one of a very small number of countries for which the definite article is commonly used in its English-language name ... The article is also officially used by the country's government and by international bodies. The article was originally used because the region was named for "the Gambia ". In 1964, shortly prior to the country's independence, then-Prime Minister Dawda Jawara wrote to the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British Official Use requesting that the name the Gambia retain the definite article, in part to reduce confusion with Zambia which had also recently become independent. At present, both Gambia and the Gambia are in common use.}} One of the reasons for opening this discussion is to have a record of what the correct usage is so that people in this situation do not have to open one like I do to find out. ] (she/her • ] • ]) 08:39, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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Radio 1 FM (Gambia) → ? – I am unsure if (Gambia) is a proper disambiguator but wondering if the correct style for one with the definite article is (the Gambia) or (The Gambia)? Capitalization is inconsistent in other pages () and I cannot find an appropriate guideline. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:04, 22 January 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 19:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Why are you sure that (Gambia) is not an OK disambiguator? Seems clear enough. Dicklyon (talk) 05:08, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
@Dicklyon The main issue is that The Gambia typically takes the definite article, but I could not find any guidance on the matter. I consulted existing guidance and discussions and could not find any precedent, and we have pages with varying usages among the 30 or so that use a disambiguator: State Intelligence Services (the Gambia), Chief of the Defence Staff (The Gambia), Denton Bridge (Gambia). Our article indicates, The Gambia is one of a very small number of countries for which the definite article is commonly used in its English-language name ... The article is also officially used by the country's government and by international bodies. The article was originally used because the region was named for "the Gambia ". In 1964, shortly prior to the country's independence, then-Prime Minister Dawda Jawara wrote to the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British Official Use requesting that the name the Gambia retain the definite article, in part to reduce confusion with Zambia which had also recently become independent. At present, both Gambia and the Gambia are in common use. One of the reasons for opening this discussion is to have a record of what the correct usage is so that people in this situation do not have to open one like I do to find out. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:39, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I understand what the main issue is, but my question was why are you sure if you don't have any guidance on it? Dicklyon (talk) 23:32, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
That is fair @Dicklyon, and I will revise my statement to reflect that. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:47, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Oppose – Like we did with Blackbird (Beatles song) for the band The Beatles, it's OK to drop the the in such contexts. Dicklyon (talk) 17:05, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Support - Since the parent article is titled The Gambia, it would be correct to title this "The Gambia" too for the disambiguator. "The Beatles" are really outliers in this regard, as other groups' music includes "The", following a failed RFC a few years ago which maintained that convention. See for example Do It Again (The Beach Boys song). — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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