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This user is a proud Bosniak

Bosniaks (also spelled: Bosniacs; sometimes incorrectly refered to as Bosnian Muslims) are indigenous Slavic peoples of Bosnia. Up until the mid 19th century, the term Bosniak (natively: Bošnjaci) was used for all inhabitants of Bosnia regardles of faith.

In medieval Bosnia, Bosniaks were largely members of an indigenous Bosnian Church and were considered heretics by both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches. As a result, some Bosniaks were forced to convert to Caholicism and Eastern Orthodox religions. During the Ottoman period (15th-19th century) mostly heretic Bosniaks in large numbers converted to Islam.

During the 19th century (Austro-Hungarian period), the Bosniaks of Catholic and Eastern Orthodox faiths acquired Croatian and Serbian national identites and came to be known as Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs.

In terms of religion, today's Bosniaks are overhelmingly Sunni Muslims. Their mother tongue is Bosnian language, which is one of three official languages of modern day Bosnia-Herzegovina. Bosniaks are proud of their unique history, tradition, and European roots.

More info: CIA World FactBook

7000 estimate is antiquated

Bosniak, I just added this to the Srebrenica discussion page.

Based on the information available in 2001 the ICTY Trial Chamber stated it "is satisfied that, in July 1995, following the take-over of Srebrenica,Bosnian Serb forces executed several thousand Bosnian Muslim men. The total number is likely to be within the range of 7,000 -8,000 men."

Based on data available now in 2006, it is clear that the 7,000 estimate is too low.

The ICMP has a very strict accounting for Srebrenica victims and only accepts family testimony backed up with DNA samples. The ICMP list of Srebrenica victims is currently at 7,789. http://www.ic-mp.org/home.php?act=news&n_id=175 The Federal Commission of Missing Persons in 2006 is now over 8000. Their method is also strict requiring at least two independent confirmations. In addition to the approximately 8,300 confirmed by the commission, there are several hundred more under review. I have put in a request with a Harvard researcher to give the latest official numbers with primary source material. I hope to have that soon.

I believe the data now available in 2006 collected by internationally accredited institutions will substantiate that the introduction ought to say "approximately 8,000 killed" not the year 2001 estimate of "7,000 to 8,000". I want to thank Osli for inspiring this additional research and given his professed commitment to a rational approach to writing this article, I rest assured that he too will agree to the "approximately 8,000 killed" in the introduction once all the documentation has been presented. Hmmmm... well on second thought he'll probably go running to Seselj to get the latest "controversy" and do everything he can to sabotage putting a reasonable estimate based on ICMP research in the introduction, but so it goes. Fairview360 22:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

wasting my time with Osli the vandal

Bosniak , it is clear to me that Osli wants to create controversy or delete items or in one way or another distract from the basic facts of what happened in Srebrenica. I believe that by reasoning with him, I can expose the fact that many of his deletions are unjustified and are in fact meant to destroy the veracity of the article. If I can show that he repeatedly deletes well established and relavant facts, then it will become increasingly obvious to administrators that he is at times engaging in vandalism. Currently, I am focusing on the intro. I know that some of my time is wasted dealing with Osli who I hardly believe is a Swede and who I do not accept as genuinely concerned about anything other than promoting "Defend Milosevic! Defend Serbia" slants, but from time to time, I learn more while researching his specious claims which adds to my knowledge of the Srebrenica massacre and current ultra-nationalist tactics for covering up or distracting from what happened; and perhaps most relevant of all, I injured my back rather significantly recently and have time to burn. Hence my appearance here several days ago and my abundant time available to watch and thwart Osli's oscillations from overt vandalism to re-inventing himself as a reasonable editor. Its at times both pathetic and amusing. Fairview360 20:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Osli's vandalism

Bosniak, Live Forever, Bosoni, Emir Arven, HanzoHattori, Dado, Haris M:

I would like to protect the Srebrenica massacre introduction from any further vandalism by Osli. He repeatedly deletes sentences from the intro that are accurate, true, relevant, and well referenced.

If we can all agree on the text of the intro, then it will become entirely clear to administrators that Osli is a vandal.

Please look at the intro as it stands now. It would be great if we could all leave it as it is now or quickly come to an introduction that we all can agree to. Currently, it explains in stark terms what happened. That is why Osli wants to delete the sentences. Make the truth less clear in the beginning, so that he can then throw in his “Defend Milosevic! Defend Serbia!” propaganda and potentially confuse some of the readers.

Please all take a look at the intro. Let’s all come to an agreed upon intro and let it stand. Then if Osli continues to delete sentences from the intro it will clearly be vandalism and if he continues, perhaps he can be banned. Then we can concentrate on the article and let our own differences of opinion be a source for constructive conversation and continuing improvement of the article.

What do you think? Fairview360 00:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

keep your cool

Bosniak, I have seen the mass graves, the exhumations. I have friends who are survivors. I myself had a rough time trying to maintain rationality having seen the horror perpetrated by cold-hearted politicians, by willing executioners overtaken by hate and malice, and by those who were told by their commanders either kill or be killed. But Bosniak, you have to keep your cool. It does feel like what you really want to do is go outside and scream at the top of your lungs "The Serbs are murderers!". That statement in and of itself is not accurate. Some Serbs fought against the ultranationalist Serbs. There are Serbs who lost their lives trying to defend multi-ethnic democracy both in Serbia and in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Some Serbs did everything they could to confront the Greater Serbia project. If some of the Serbs and some of the Croats had not joined the Bosnian Army defending a multi-ethic democratic Bosnia, there would be no Bosniaks left in Bosnia. There are moderate reasonable Serbs who are nationalists who would agree to move forward in a multi-ethnic democratic system while all crimes are looked at openly. There are Serbs today who are not at all nationalist who want nothing less than to have their nation look honestly at what they did. And if we are going to take a deeper look at what generates these conflicts, we need to look at corruption and how it eats away at civil society and allows cold-hearted power-grabbing people to manipulate Balkan history and foster genocidal conflict. And without allowing the "all sides equal" obfuscation, we must look at everything everyone did both good and bad.

This is going to take generations, but we must find common ground with reasonable people so that the killing does not happen again.

Anyone who wants to put his energy into rehabilitating Lewis MacKenzie is obviously a problem, but even Osli can help improve the article. I'm sorry but he is correct that using your blog as a source is not OK. We need to put in the time finding primary source material.

In the free exchange of ideas put forth by honest people, the truth will emerge.

Bosniak, stick with it. Keep your cool. Do not quit. Fairview360 16:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It is becoming clearer to me that Osli73 is sneaky, but still his challenges are indicative of others like him and good practice for refuting revisionist and underhanded tactics. Fairview360 19:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Osli may need to be tolerated to a certain extent, but ever since he tried to erase the names of those killed or missing and sneak it by as a minor edit, I would prefer that he was banned. That maneuver shows his true colors. Fairview360 14:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Minor Edits

Remember to mark your edits as minor only when they genuinely are (see Misplaced Pages:Minor edit). "The rule of thumb is that an edit of a page that is spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a 'minor edit'." Tuspm 01:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak's Reply:

Okay, I will do that in the future.

References

Hi Bosniak,

I just noticed your edit summary at The Holocaust. For this article you can make the references appear in the appropriate section by surrounding them with <ref></ref> tags. For example, if I wanted to cite www.cnn.com, I would type <ref></ref>. For more information see WP:Footnotes

GabrielF 01:23, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak's Reply

Thank you Gabriel, I finally did it, take a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Holocaust

Cheers!

Good work! Happy to help out. GabrielF 01:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello

I'm Adrien and new to this encyclopedia, I wondered if we could cooperate on the articles about Bosnia and Bosniaks. I would appreciate it.

And you could also copy my Bosnian history part onto your user page, if you wish. You can read it at my page.

Selam Bosoni

Bosniak's reply

Of course we can cooperate Adrien. You can also visit my blog http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com and in the comments leave me your email address so I can contact you. Of course, I will not publish your comment, so your email will stay private. Please keep an eye on Misplaced Pages's Srebrenica Massacre article.

Cheers!

external links spam

Please stop spamming Misplaced Pages articles with repetitive and tangential external links. --Joy 02:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak's reply

They are not spam, all three links (Srebrenica Genocide, plus two links of US Government's reward for capture of Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic) are directly *relevant* to the topics in question, you idiot.

No, they are not directly relevant, they are tangentially relevant. Some semi-random blog about the Srebrenica massacre, and articles about rewards for war crime indictees, they simply shouldn't be plastered all over the place, it's insane. Imagine if we did it like that for everything else - post all links to world maps in all geography articles? --Joy 11:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Adrien here

Hello Bosniak, I left you a comment as suggested. I loved your blog, great work! Bosoni

Bosniak Reply

For Joy(shalot): $5 million reward is being offered by the U.S. government for the capture of Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic. I don't want to argue with you.

For Adrien: Hi friend, I got your email and I replied to it. But, and this is very important, I cancelled my internet service provider today and currently I am in process of switching to another one; new connection should be established in few days. Currently, I am sitting on my balcony overlooking downtown Vancouver and use free (*open*) wireless connection! It's pretty fast though. I will add your email to my MSN contact list, so I can catch you online. Cheers!

Update: Also my previous email is not working, because of internet service change - but I added you to my MSN; I'll give you my other email when I catch you online. Cheers again!

Bosoni/Adrien here, Hello

It's good that you told me about the ISP-change, because I sent you a reply to your last e-mail but the delivery failed, I see why now. I'll send my reply later to your new e-mail adress then =) (and I added you to my msn list) Good luck with everything, cheers Bosoni

Srebrenica

Thanks for returning the information in Srebrenica article. Unfortunately I don't have time to frequently proof read the entire article. I generally rely on users who are familiar with the subject to keep tabs on this article so that I don't have to be in charge of reading it every day. Also it would be of great help when you make additions to this article to carefully state the source simply to avoid further attacks on the article that waste time for all of us. What some may consider controversial statements such as the statement in your last addition, while it may be completely true, when left unsourced it weakens the credibility of the article and makes it prone to attacks. It does not mean the statement does not belong there but we just need to know where it came from and the fact supporting it. For example this paragraph

"Seven more have been recently put on trial. One person, Nikola Jorgic was convicted of Bosnian Genocide."

Will probably need a proper source and I am sure you can easily find it through Google or elsewhere.--Dado 20:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

In fact, now that I look at it this statement better fits article Bosnian genocide than Srebrenica massacre since activity of Nikola Jorgic pertains to other regions in BiH. I was unaware of this case. Thanks for the info.

Update on situation

Helo friend, I haven't heard anything from you for some time. What's new and how are you? Is your new internet connection and e-mail adress yet established? I should also tell you that I'm not a "diligent" user of MSN messenger, perhaps we could instead decide a specific occasion to give me the e-mail adress via MSN? (I also made my first edits with this account yesterday, on the Bosnian language article) Bye, Bosoni

Bosniak's Reply

Yes Bosoni! Hi! Few days ago, I sent you my new email address and it bounced! I will re-send it again! Hope it doesn't bounce. Cheers! Check your email.--Bosniak 03:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I checked it earlier today and replied, greetings. Bosoni

Bosniak's Reply to Dado

Hi Dado, you have my respect friend, as you are one of few dedicated Srebrenica massacre editors. I am not expecting you to be the only one monitoring and protecting the article, I encourage other Bosniaks and other reasonable people to do the same. Srebrenica massacre article must be protected against vandalism. Maybe we could protect the article in a way that only registered users can edit it?

Zasto si vratio Srebrenicki clanak na Fairview360-ovu verziju u kojem nije nista bitno promijenio osim sto je ostavio otvorena vrata za srpske vandale koji su jedva docekali da imaju razlog za razvaljivanje clanka? Neko je vec spomenuo da bi ovaj clanak trebao da lici na clanak, a ne na ustogljenu sudsku presudu, radi toga se radi parafraziranje dijelova presude, a ne identicno kopiranje, zbog cega cijeli clanak moze da propadne. Zamolio bih te da ne vracas vise na Fairview360-ovu, samo ce nam donijeti belaj. Jesil ti svjestan koliko je truda trebalo da se napravi clanak bez POV taga?! Ovaj clanak je zapocet prije godinu dana, i sada zbog nekih preemotivnih postupaka pojedinaca, a koji nista bitno ne mijenjaju treba da propadne? Nemojte se igrati! --Emir Arven 19:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Replika Emiru

Dobro Emire. Ali nemozemo dozvoliti da Osli razvaljuje clanak i mijenja cinjenicne izvore sa diskreditovanim srbijanskim izvorima. Slazes li se? --Bosniak 19:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Dao sam mu moj odgovor na stranici za diskusiju o Srebrenickom genocidu. Bitno je da su svi izvori pobrojani u clanku, koji su relevantni. To ce diskreditovati svaki propagandisticki pokusaj. Verziju koju sam ostavio je sasvim uredu, a poenta je da ne stvori prostora za vandale koji ce sitnice iskoristiti za stavljanje POV taga. --Emir Arven 19:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Srebrenica massacre

For your information, only administrators can protect pages. Adding {{sprotect}} and similar templates does not serve to protect a page. I have removed the template from that page, but you may list it on WP:RFPP if you think it should be protected. Stifle (talk) 23:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

No personal attacks

Personal attacks on other users are unacceptable - see WP:NPA. I've blocked you for 24 hours for the attack you made against User:Osli73 on Talk:Srebrenica massacre (). Please refrain from making such attacks in the future. -- ChrisO 18:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Endorse this, that kind of behaviour on such controversial articles causes far more problems than it solves. Calm down, read our policies on no personal attacks and civility then come back. - FrancisTyers · 19:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Srebrenica Genocide Blog

Bosniak, Are you (one of) the editor(s) of the Srebrenica Genocide blog? Just to set the record straight. Osli73 22:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Osli

That is none of your business. Unless you stop poisoning Srebrenica massacre article with moral relativism and already discredited Serbian sources, me and you cannot talk. When you stop your advertisements of discredited Serbian opinions, I will find time to speak to you again. Remember: Srebrenica article is not about Serbs or Serbian claims/politics - it's about 8,000+ victims of Genocide that was committed by Serb forces. Can you comprehed this statement? I am sure you can, but you don't want to. --Bosniak 06:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak, Going through your personal page I found this statement by you on you user page confirming that you, indeed, are the editor of the Srebrenica Genocide blog. In light of this I don't think it is a very good idea that you, as an editor, use your own website as a source/reference for the Misplaced Pages Srebrenica massacre article. It is then better to link directly to the original document. Cheers Osli73 07:27, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Mackenzie smear

That line on Lewis Mackenzie in Srebrenica massacre should not be included. It's sourced to a personal website (which we can't use, per WP:RS). It's a pure ad hominem clearly intended to impeach his credibility - it doesn't add anything to the article. Please do not restore it again. -- ChrisO 23:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I realize perfectly well. :-) The policy is clear: content hosted on a personal website may not be used, other than in a few special cases outlined in WP:RS (none of which apply in this instance). We don't know that the news article reproduced on that page is reprinted accurately, or even that it was published at all (since it doesn't appear to be on the originating news agency's website). As it happens, this very issue has been discussed recently among editors of WP:RS. Such "convenience links" are considered inadmissible if the hosting website is not a reliable source.

The paper you cited at http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/femres.htm certainly does include this news article as a reference, but it makes no reference to the Mackenzie allegations and because of the way the article is cited, we actually don't know what the citation refers to. If the paper quoted the allegations then we might consider it a reliable source for those allegations, but it doesn't. The bottom line is that the allegations can't be reliably cited and so can't be included. -- ChrisO 02:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi ChrisO

I don't understand what you are trying to say. The article is cited to:

COPYRIGHT PACIFIC NEWS SERVICE 450 Mission Street, Room 506 San Francisco, CA 94105 415-243-4364 Date: 06/04/1993

The fact that someone posted it on geocities has nothing to do with the credibility of the article; this is original article with full copyright notice. It's over 13 years old and was published when internet was only barely beginning to be used.

What's the problem? Is the truth problem again? I would not be surprised if you banned me and all your opponents from wikipedia. Now, I see, we are not even allowed to use this article as a source, but our opponents are allowed to use Lewis Mackanzie's genocide denials as a source ?

Don't you see double standard here? Bosniak 04:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey

I read through the Bosnian war article recently and found it horrible, it completly neglects the overwhelming majority of serb crimes. It follows up an indirect statement that all three sides were equally guilty, we all know the case isn't like that. It would be like stating that all sides in world war two were equally guilty, ludacris! Please look over the article =) Regards! (P.S, I haven't had the time for mails and msn yet) Bosoni

Consensus

You are supposed to work with the editors of Srebrenica massacre to come to a consensus. You, or the Bosniaks in general, do not own the article. Comments like

• "rv. to Bosniak: other guys, come from time to time to this page and revert to Bosniak, protect article from Osli73, bye..." (summary)
• "I will keep reverting and reverting" (edit summary)
• "Dado and other Bosniak editors - please re-read the whole article and do appropriate adjustments just in case vandals inserted something that we have not noticed lately." (edit summary)

are not acceptable. Please play by Misplaced Pages's rules. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 04:36, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Response to Jitse

You guys are also not owners of wikipedia. Osli73 will not have it his way, that I can promise. With respect to you Jitse, I have no beef with you man.

I have opposing views - and if anyone is afraid of my opinion, which is heavily based on International Tribunal's rullings, then it's their problem (not mine).

Hope you understand. I will not allow Osli73 to have it his way. That's the bottom line. This is 💕 and anyone can edit it, including me. Bosniak 06:58, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Srebrenica massacre

Bosniak, I'd ask you to be a little more careful when revertying Osli's changes on the Srebrenica massacre article. I made some big improvements to the "Serb casualties" section that you completely ignored whenyou reverted. Live Forever 09:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Response to Live Forever

Hi Live Forever, yes you did some changes on one part of the article, but completely ignored changes that Osli73 did. You need to keep changing his changes to keep that article on a level of high quality that was before. If you do changes, revert to my last version and do changes from there, and then when I start editing the article, I will do them from your version. Please do it this way and we will succeed in keeping the article on a level of encyclopedia quality. Thanks bro. Bosniak 03:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

number of missing

Bosniak, the latest statement from the Federal Commission of Missing Persons that I can find is from June 2005. At that time they had 500 more names under review with more coming. Do you know where there are updated numbers from the Commission? Fairview360 14:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Fairview

Hi Fairview, updated list is here, with accurate number of dead: http://www.srebrenica-zepa.ba/srebrenica/spisak.htm

Hope this helps. Bosniak 05:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Another thing:

Yes, Osli73 is vandalizing Srebrenica article. If you look at the history of his contributions, you will notice that he is obsessed with Srebrenica Massacre article Osli73 Contributions. By entering into discussion with him, you are violating basic principle of common sense - to stay away from unreasonable individuals. He takes a great pride in destroying the article, although he is not succeeding. Hopefully, wikipedia administrators will notice his behaviour and either suspend him, or ban him completely. His only purpose is to vandalize Srebrenica Massacre article, he has no other purpose here @ wikipedia. You should not try to reason with him, you are just wasting your time my friend. There will always be people who will vandalize wikipedia, and that's sad (but true). Bosniak 05:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Block requested

This is just a courtesy message that I requested on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Srebrenica massacre that you be shortly blocked for personal attacks and blind reverts. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 14:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

• • • This response is from Bosniak (talk · contribs) ***

I agree that edit wars should stop, but you need to realize that Osli73 (talk · contribs) is primary to blame for edit wars, blind reverts, and full blown vandalism of Srebrenica Massacre article. I would be more than glad to stop reverting article to more civilized versions, but please bear in mind that Osli73 (talk · contribs) needs to stop first, because he is leading a war with at least 10 other editors who refuse to accept his vandalism. In other words, Osli73 (talk · contribs) is vandalizing Srebrenica massacre article, he deletes facts such as the fact that 8,106 Bosniaks died in the massacre (well documented, with names, JMBR numbers, names of parents, etc). In my opinion, and in the opinion of at least 10 other editors, Osli73 needs to be banned from ever editing Srebrenica massacre article. Bosniak 00:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Srebrenica intro

Bosniak, I added a message for you in the Srebrenica discussion page, topic #47 Fairview360 16:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

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Hey friend

Just dropping by to let u know I'm still alive =D. However I'm really busy now, barely no time for other things than work =(. Bye Bosoni

Bosniak's reply: hi Adrien, of course I am alive my friend, how are you doing? keep an eye on Srebrenica Massacre article. Cheers! :) Bosniak 02:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

hello

Bosniak, I hardly find you objective. I mean, your username is Bosniak, I don't trust people who's username is their ethnic affiliation. Please, keep your nationalism at home, thank you. --Serb 03:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak's reply to Boris Malagurski - I keep my nationalism at home, which is not the case with you. You want to impose your nationalism to Misplaced Pages's Srebrenica Massacre article, which will not happen. That I can promise you. We had other Serbs in the past trying to destroy Srebrenica Massacre article with thier lies and propaganda, they failed. You will fail too. Cheers. Bosniak 03:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Look, I'm sure we can deal with the conflict in a civilized manner. But you first have to face that the article is not neutral because it doesn't tell all sides of the story. All I want is the neutrality tag in the article, thats all. I won't touch the text. --Serb 03:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, since you noticed the declaration on my talk page, it would be nice to donate your bosnian translation on my talk page. Don't forget to sign it, so I know who it's from, thank you. --Serb 03:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak's reply to Boris Hi Boris, of course we can deal in civilized matter. Why do you think that the article is not neutral? Can you at least discuss this in Srebrenica Massacre's discussion page? If you want your edits to stay longer, you need to discuss it before you make any changes. People are very sensitive to any changes to that article. Even when I make a change, they are sensitive to it. Why do you think that the article does not tell all sides of the story? Are you trying to tell that Naser Oric attacked Serb villages and Serbs had to defend themselves from Bosniaks who were under siege? You guys used same argument in the past with Sarajevo, basicly the story goes that you had to defend yourself from Bosniak people in Sarajevo who were under siege. You can try these arguments in discussion page, but it's pointless and offensive to use such arguments as a defence. However, you are welcome to try. Simply go to discussion page, tell people reasons of your edits and sources and then we will all compromise. It's simple as that. No need for personal attacks as we can all deal in civilized matter. Bosniak 03:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

One more thing - I already donated my translation to your page, and I copied your translations to my page. I think there is a chance that both of us get along well, because you recognized t hat over 8,000 people were killed in Srebrenica @ Srebrenica Massacre discussion page. That's all I care about. Bosniak 03:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Please don't call me nationalist. Lets start from there. --Serb 03:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Secondly, I do admit that 8,000 people were killed, I do not deny it. I'd like at least this sentence in the article "Some people (mainly Serbs) consider the massacre an act of defense against Naser Oric and his troops that massacred Serb villages of Kravica and others" If that was there, or some variation of the sentence, that would make me happy. Thats all. --Serb 04:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak's reply to Boris - If you pay more attention to Srebrenica massacre discussion page, you will see that I do not sympathize Naser Oric, see my comment [Naser Oric is not a Bosniak hero. At Srebrenica massacre discussion page you recognized that genocide happened. At this point, there is no need for further confrontation as you are obviously not denying finall judgements and findings of International Crimes Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia.

If you want Serb side of the story, why not post this statement: "Most Serbs consider the massacre an act of revenge against Naser Oric and his troops who committed individual war crimes during raids into Serb villages."

The reason these raids cannot be called massacres is the following: Serbs blame Oric and his forces for hundreds of deaths in Kravice during Orthodox Christmas in January 1993. Republika Srpska primary sources state that in Kravica 35 soldiers and 11 civilians died. If we are going to call slaughter of 11 civilians a massacre, then we could apply that term to mostly all killings in Bosnia. What I can agree with you is that individual actions of Oric's troops in Kravica were a war crime and I absolutely condemn these killings. However, they cannot be used for justification of genocide, and I don't believe you are trying to use them as such. Bosniak 04:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Listen, I don't believe that Srebrenica was an act of genocide, and of course, nothing you say is going to change my mind. I do NOT justify the killings and think that Ratko Mladic deserves the DEATH penalty for what he did. Neither do I think that Naser Oric's mistakes were justification for the killing of refugees who had no where else to go and most likely had nothing to do with the crimes that Oric's troops comitted. So, I thank you for adding the sentence, and agree to the removal of the POV tag. I would also like to draw your attention to one more thing - the photo on your userpage in not from Commons, therefore you're not allowed to use it. I suggest you transfer it to Commons, or remove it before they protect your user page like they did mine. I would also like to add that I do think you're obsessed with the massacre, and should get out more. I do my fair share of obsessing about what happened, but you're going too far. Enjoy life. --Serb 07:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Final Reply to Boris Malagurski

You stated that you deny that the massacre in Srebrenica was an act of Genocide. At this point, we are enemies. I am not going to negotiate with you any longer, and your genocide denial edits will be erased swiftly and accordingly. Have a great day. Bosniak 19:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Err, this declaration of intent to hostile editing is inappropriate.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, you have been blocked for a week for ultimatums to undertake legal threats. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

And I would back that up. We don't mess around with legal threats. --Woohookitty 04:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak is very sensitive to the issue of genocide denial, understandably, and doesn't always express himself in tempered tones. But Blnguyen it seems to me that you've simply responded to the tone of his language rather than the substantive justification for his action.

The ICTY, a member of the United Nations family of organisations and the legal authority in the field, has ruled in the Krstic case that the Srebrenica massacre could be termed genocide in accordance with the provisions of the Genocide Convention. No other international forum has overthrown that ruling. The ICTY is currently hearing cases in which charges of genocide are involved. I think it is fair to assume that the defence will present all current arguments challenging the categorisation of the Srebrenica massacre as genocide to the Court. The Court will then rule as to whether its previous opinion should be overthrown. There is no room for any personal expression of doubt in this article. I might dispute the legitimacy of Slobodan Milosevic's assumption of the presidency of Yugoslavia or equally George W. Bush's election as President of the United States but I cannot change the content of an entry to indicate that they were not President of their respective nations.

Bosniak was right to insist that denials of genocide will be edited out of this article. There is no scope to allow any further denial of genocide unless and until the ICTY's ruling is overthrown. Even though I don't always agree with the way Bosniak expresses his views, in this case he is absolutely correct. Personally I find it a moral outrage that genocide at Srebrenica is denied but for the purposes of this article we're trying to pretend that moral outrage doesn't exist and keep to the facts. Genocide at Srebrenica is a fact established in international law. I ask the moderators of this article to accept that.Opbeith 10:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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Pametniji popušta. Fine, I take it back, happy? --Serb 04:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the image from your user page. Fair use images are not permitted in user space, and this is not negotiable. If you restore the image I will block you, just as I have blocked Serbian editors in the past for similar acts. --ajn (talk) 08:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Origin of the picture: I can't give the precise origin but in case it helps anyone track down the original source I remember this photograph or a very similar one being published in The Guardian in a non-cropped form (more woodland background) in July 1995, as the first women survivors were arriving in Tuzla from Srebrenica. Opbeith 11:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

List of Bosniaks

Regarding this diff of yours. I removed the Medieval figures - as there are unsourced claims for their Bosniakhood and are even far too controversal to consider them as such. Also, the mergetag's suggestion has been refused long ago at the talk page. Cheers, mate! --HolyRomanEmperor 22:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I know that there is a claim - but the same is claimed by Croats & Serbs. This way, while I was fighting Croatian and Serbian POV it might seem I allow Bosniac POV - which is a very bad image. When we come to historical "proving" of their Bosniakhood - we will, sadly, be strictly limited to modern-day claims. --PaxEquilibrium 11:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, with this diff of yours you again returned the merge-to tag which was I repeat, refused at the talk page a LOOONG time ago. Also, you removed three famous Bosniaks and rm the fact that that's an incomplete list. Why did you do all that? --PaxEquilibrium 11:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Uploaded photo - copyright issue

Hi,

I just noticed that in the article Srebrenica Genocide you uploaded a photo of a hanged girl. You did specify the source, I checked it out, but you did not write (copy/pasted) either under the photo or in the discussion section the permission information. You just noted that the permission was given, but without the email in which the permision is specifically given. If you have it, put it up, otherwise, the photo will be deleted. If you really want photo to stay, contact them on the website you provided and specifically ask for permission and then copy/paste the correspondance email under the photo.

Thanks,

Svetlana Miljkovic 09:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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Vandalism

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Stop!

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Bosniakophobia AfD

Two quick pointers:

• The best place to put new comments (unless they're directly responding to someone else, which yours wasn't) is at the bottom of the discussion in order to prevent grandstanding.
• While AfD isn't a vote, adding two comments saying "do not delete" isn't usually the best form. Indeed, a fair amount of your comments duplicate material you've already posted in that discussion. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your votes, I would point out the following. As the AfD clearly shows, you left a comment saying DON'T DELETE at 22:15, 23 November 2006. That counts as your vote, inasmuch as there are "votes" in an AfD. There was another comment (in fact dated earlier, I see now - 21:49, 23 November 2006) which began with the bolded phrase DO NOT DELETE which you'd also left. That makes two votes. Then, at 06:51, 26 November 2006 you posted a third vote headed Don't delete and in fact repeated the exact same information as you had previously done ("In the beginning, Serbophobia returned only 2 matches at Google..."). All I was doing was tidying things up so that only one of your three votes was in fact there and so that one of your two duplicate comments was there. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

And in terms of the comments themselves, you did not "give more detailed explanation second time". What you gave was the exact same opinion the second time. The only difference was that the second time was entirely in boldface. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I've responded to your comment on my Talk page for clarity. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

This is the only warning you will receive.
Your recent vandalism to Anti-Bosniak sentiment will not be tolerated. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. —Psychonaut 14:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Block request

As a courtesy, I am notifying you that I have posted a message on WP:ANI requesting that you be blocked for your repeated disruptive behaviour in defiance of warnings. —Psychonaut 14:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

for your vote tampering on AFD you have been blocked for one week.Geni 23:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Hej...

Ne razumijem zašto nam treba taj članak. To nije pozitivno o Bosni i Hercegovini. Već postoji "Anti-Bosniak Sentiment" što, koliko ja vidim, je isti pojam. Ako hoćete, ja ću vas podržavati ako mi vi pomognete oko infokutije za BiH opčine. Dovoljno je imati jednu infokutiju koja bi imala u sebi entitete. Trenutno imaju dvije ("Infobox BiH" i "Infobox RS"). Ja vam odmah kažem da to je totalna glupost. Nama ne treba "RS Infobox" infobox ako entitet piše u BiH infokutije. Dakle, zamolio bih vas da se učlanite na Wikiprojekat BiH, ja sam "headmaster", i da vidimo ako možemo promijeniti ovaj problem. Ja ću vas rado podržavati za "bosniakophobia", ali lično mislim da je ovo preci problem koji se mora riješiti. Hvala i pozdrav, Vseferović 16:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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Bosniakophobia

Sorry, I don't see the point of having two separate parallel articles. I'm gonna have to vote merge. --PaxEquilibrium 18:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Bosniakophobia Protest

Hi Blnguyen,

Other admin has censored my vote for article Bosniakophobia. He crossed "delete" two times, and this way, he has taken my vote, he has censored it not once, but twice! Please serve as fair mediator, here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bosniakophobia Bosniak 07:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Bosniak, looks like things have been rectified but it seems obvious that the article will be deleted anyway. Are there still any outstanding issues? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Come on Geni, you must love to block people, don't you?

Bosniak (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

your 7 days is too long

Decline reason:

Based on the evidence here, you're lucky that you weren't blocked for longer. Khoikhoi 04:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Serb nationalists on the go, again!

Please help, there's problems with the article List of Serb war criminals, serbs are calling it POV just because it lists! And are voting for deletion because they obviously want to hide the crimes. Ancient Land of Bosoni

Getting community attention

I notice you've made a large number of very similar posts to user talk pages, recently. Instead of doing that, you might consider a quick post to the village pump or another community noticeboard, so that interested editors can comment if they so choose. It saves both you and other editors time and effort to keep discussion centralized and cohesive. I'd prefer to consider this a friendly note, but please do see WP:SPAM#Canvassing to see what policy/guideline pages have to say on the matter. Let me know if you have any questions about this. Thanks for your time, and good luck. Luna Santin 08:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

re: comment on my talk page

Hello Bosniak.. someone deleted your comment on my talk page before I even saw it! However wikipedia still told me there was a change obviously.. Hm, I wasn't aware that this conflict was going on that you mention, although I agree that a lot of people (especially from the Balkans!) use wikipedia to advance their narrow nationalistic understanding of history. In a way you can't blame people because everyone is raised in a certain society that puts a spin on history. But when you're actively suppressing unpleasant facts, it certainly crosses the line. Anyways I don't know if I would consider either Bosniakophobia or Serbophobia proper words.. It's just an awkward way of creating a word (-phobia) and personally I would rather the plainer way of saying it "anti-Bosniak sentiment" or some other way. Anyways let me know if I can help you sometime. Dan Carkner 13:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

True

Sure many articles relating to former Yugoslavia and its people have some strong Serb Pov. The Serb users are very active on Wiki.

You're right articles with so called lies get copied from Wiki onto other websites and before you know it the lie has spread. I think these Users are aware of this wide spread power and that's why they keep making edits or as many edits as possibe to articles ...pushing propaganda. Very Sad> Some Serb Users have made over 300,000 edits. This is alarming to say the least. Who can patrol what has been edited???

Not much you can do mate, just keep pluging away and keep fighting them the right way. First discuss and see why they keep changing facts with no proof. In most case you will find they sight Serbian propaganda books etc...

Eg Some users keep changing Rudjer Boscovich from Croat to Serb. They keep doing it when it is wellknown the guy was Croat...still doesn't stop someone from editing the article into what they like to believe. In saying that most Serb users are fine and aware of this problem...+ not all sides are innocent...but yes the Serb users are a fair bit more active. Keep up the fight. Jagoda 1 02:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

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Bosniakophobia

It is interesting how Serbs promoted invented word "Serbophobia" on the internet. First they introduced the word to wikipedia, and then thousands of other scrapper sites copied content from wikipedia, and now Google yields thousands of matches for this invented word. Of course, while Bosniaks wanted to do the same, and create an article Bosniakophobia, Serbs quickly jumped and voted "NO!". And of course, attempts to create Bosniakophobia article failed thanks to Serbian activism on wikipedia! They don't use wikipedia for educational, but for their nationalistic/politic purposes. It is sickening to see Serbian propaganda and lies poisoning Misplaced Pages. What we Bosniaks need to do is focus more on Srebrenica Massacre article which is under attack by pro-Serbian vandals and revisionists/deniers on a daily basis.

In hopes that Bosniakophobia article will see light again.

Peace Bosniak Bosniak 01:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Removing your comments

First of all, I am an administrator. Secondly, there are policies that deal with mass campaigning on user talk pages: this one and this one, not to mention this one. Bring this up on the Village Pump instead of mass-spamming other editors' user talk pages. --Coredesat 02:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if you're an admin, it's none of your business deleting material from userpages. Dan Carkner 02:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak, just to let you know that I removed your comment from Talk:Srebrenica massacre. As it says on top of that page: "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Srebrenica massacre article", see also the talk page guidelines. Your message was not about the article, it was only complaining about the behaviour of some other editors. Yours, Jitse Niesen (talk) 04:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted your personal attacks here: . Do not call other good faith editors vandals, and do not make insinuations about the motivations for their edits based on ther POV or ethnicity. Reinsert them and you will be blocked. Dmcdevit·t 13:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Can I trust Yugoslavia articles in English wiki?

Hello.

I am working on expanding articles about Yugoslavia in the Hebrew wiki.

Currently, the main source for information is the English wiki.

Do you think the articles about Yugoslavia in English wiki are reliable and balanced? Are there disputed parts of the articles that better not be translated? I rather not to say anything about a sensitive issue then writing incorrect claims. (I'll start with the article "Yugoslavia" and the articles about Bosnia, Serbia, and Croatia).

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.72.45.187 (talk) 18:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

Hi my Jewish friend. No you can't trust "Yugoslavia" related articles, they are mostly run by Serb propagandists. Let me get in touch with you, so I can help you with it on Hebrew wikipedia. I would like to point some documentation to your attention regarding holocaust of Bosniaks and Jews in Jasenovac, from Bosnian documented sources. Bosniak 21:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sick of people who are pretending to be anti-nationalist while being greater nationalist then those who say it uncovered and loud.

People who were killed in Jasenovac were of Serbian (most of them), Jewish, Muslim (Bosniak), Roma nationality and other nationalities, not just Jewish and Bosniaks.

I would advice our Jewish friend that, if he thinks that he can't rely on wikipedia's data, then should find some Hebrew book about Yugoslav history! --S T E V A N 00:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Stevan, I suggest you start learning about holocaust of Jews and Bosniaks in Jasenovac by purchasing books here www.interliber.com . And I do agree that Jasenovac victims came from all backgrounds. Bosniak 06:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak, I'm glad you are admitting that Bosniaks are Serbs, because only Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and Croats died in Jasenovac. Bosniaks are merely weak Serbs who would have rather converted to Islam then to stay who they were in defiance of the Turks. BTW, i know where you live in Vancouver, see ya soon ;) --Zombir 10:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Prestani vise

Dobro te je vise Bosniak. Taman se jedna verzija stabilizira clanka o Srebrenici i onda ti zaseres svojim manijakalnim vracanjem!!! a na taj nacin se izgube i korisne promjene koje su unesene i slike koje su postavljene. Nauci da promjene vracas tako sto pogledas link "history", tamo kliknes datum na verziju od tog datuma i spasis stranicu, ako vec to do sada nisi naucio. Ako ne prestanes sa ovim licno cu te prijaviti za blokiranje. Emir Arven 18:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Bosnjak je inace srpsko prezime. Look it up. Eee, Bosniak, kad su se i bosanski muslimani okrenuli protiv tebe... --Zombir 10:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Stanley Park

Please do not make empty threats in an attempt to justify your actions at Stanley Park. If you had read the edit history first, you would be aware that your material duplicated text that was already in the article, and more appropriately placed. Furthermore, if you had investigated, you would have seen that I made an effort to incorporate your material into the existing text. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, you blindly reverted back to your last edit, completely ignoring the fact that you obliterated a lot of work by several other editors. Please use more caution, and consider discussing your concerns on the talk page first. Thank you. --Ckatz_spy 06:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Stanley Park again

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User talk:Bormalagurski

Please don't post trollish comments on user talk pages. Thanks, Khoikhoi 07:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Khoikhoi 06:51, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Do not repost deleted content

I note from your comment on HanzoHattori's talk page that you propose to recreate the Bosniakophobia and/or Anti-Bosniak sentiment articles which were deleted in accordance with Misplaced Pages's deletion procedure. You should be aware that it is not permitted to repost deleted articles, and that given your recent behaviour you could be blocked or even permanently banned for doing so. —Psychonaut 09:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Re ethnic maps in BH

OK, if not posted already, use the OHR maps. Mir Harven 23:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

My name

I did not convert to Christianity, I was born a Christian, because my father was a Christian. My mother was Moslem and she gave me my name - Avdo. --GOD OF JUSTICE 05:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Promoting? Which side? What are you talking about?? I'm Yugoslav, I love Serbs, Croats, Bosnian Moslems, Slovenes and Macedonians alike. Am I promoting the "Serbian side" just because I love my current country - Serbia? Jesus, man, grow up. --GOD OF JUSTICE 18:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Nemoj tako

Šta zašto? Prvo, izvini. Drugo, vrlo sam bio zauzet i trenutno sam.

Da li ta riječ zvanično postoji? Shvataš, nije dovoljno nekome pokazati "google search results". Te stranice većinom raspravljaju o Bosnjakofobiji. To nisu stranice kao Britanica, itd. da možemo reći da su pouzdane. Već postoji "Anti-Bosniak sentiment", dakle, ja mislim da "Bosnjakofobija" bi samo ponavljalo isti članak.

Pozdrav, (Možda griješim, objasni dalje...plus, objasni zašto srbi hoće da ostave Serbophobia) Vseferović 08:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Bosniakophobia

Bosniakophobia is also an English word, and your continuous deletion of this word is considered vandalism. Please stop.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=bosniakophobia&meta=

Bosniak 08:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

1. You might consider the deletion vandalism, but you would be wrong. If you'd like to test your theory that I'm vandalizing, feel free to ask on WP:ANI or WP:AIV.
2. I have once more removed your addition of this word to Anti-Bosniak sentiment. A google search is not a legitimate external link, per WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided, and none of the sites shown in that link qualify as reliable sources. We covered this extensively in Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Bosniakophobia.
3. I have removed the libelous comments about Lewis MacKenzie from Srebrenica massacre. Do not add this unfounded allegation back to the article unless you can find an unbiased reliable source -- which you won't; this nonsense was discarded as a complete fabrication a decade ago.

-- Jim Douglas _(contribs) 16:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Once more, no personal attacks

Bosniak, I see from reviewing this talk page and your block log that you have repeatedly been warned to assume good faith and comment on content, not on contributors. I was prepared to ignore this ridiculous edit summary ("rv. Jim Douglas is a Serb apologist"). But then you started an entire thread on the talk page (Talk:Srebrenica massacre#Serbian provocateurs: Nikola Smolenski and Hadzija) dedicated to attacking the motives of anyone who posts to this article in a way that you disagree with. And you repeated your personal attacks on me:

Not to mention "Jim Douglas" who quoted Srebrenica genocide denial and revisionist web sites as "sources".

Are you under the impression that this behaviour is acceptable? You've been warned about this repeatedly; you've even been blocked specifically because of your personal attacks in that article (User talk:Bosniak#No personal attacks). Please consider this a final warning. -- Jim Douglas _(contribs) 15:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

warning tags

Please do not add warning tags on my page for no reason. Thank you. // Laughing Man 22:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Your behaviour is not constructive

Bosniak, you have been warned repeatedly about blindly reverting to your preferred version of an article, destroying intermediate edits (here, here, here, and here). I'm going to repeat that warning. You just blindly reverted multiple edits -- not just mine -- presumably to your own preferred version, and labelling my edits as vandalism. Please think hard about your behaviour here. You know that my edits aren't vandalism; I spent two hours last night explaining my serious concerns on the talk page. It is not acceptable for you to simply continue to revert my changes like this. So I'm asking you to go to the talk page and respond to my concerns, with citations to reliable sources. -- Jim Douglas _(contribs) 21:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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MacKenzie rape accusations

I'm not sure whether the rape accusations deserve to be mentioned, but now that an investigation has apparently be opened by the Bosnian prosecuting office, you may have a case. I also dislike contributors who hide behind an IP address so I reverted to your version, which does notice the accusations. However, I did keep the spelling corrections that you erased with your blind reverts. I also changed your text, that MacKenzie is "accused of raping of Bosniak women in camp Sonja by a Bosnian court" by "is under investigation by a Bosnian prosecutor following rape accusations" (emphasis added); I concluded that your version is incorrect after reading the statement by the Congress of North American Bosniaks.

I went out of my way to make it easy for you. However, I will not accept it if you reintroduce by blind reverts or if you again resort to personal attacks. Best wishes, Jitse Niesen (talk) 13:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI report

A report concerning you has been posted to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Bosniak - POV pushing, WP:POINT, and bad faith assumptions. I thought it would be fair to inform you about it, since the original poster has apparently forgotten or declined to do so. —Psychonaut 19:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Srebrenica massacre

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. -- Merope 07:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. -- Merope 07:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I have discussed my changes thousands of times. Psychonaut is the one deleting important paragraphs of the article and not discussing them - you should block him temporarily. He is here on a mission (there were several Bosniak users blocked as a result of his activism and complaints). You should block user Psychonaut immediately. He has a bad faith. And you also reverted article to the worst form possible, to the "Hadzija" user revert. And he doesn't even accept genocide, the guy is Serbian, we have had problems with him in the past. You should definitely block Psychonaut - based on his activist-complaints agains Bosniaks, and his open pro-Serb stance - he is biased, in bad faith, one-sided, and he deserves to be blocked. He has been editing my edits tonight repeatedly, and you refused to block him. Are you neutral? I don't think so. If you are, then act and block him. Bosniak 08:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Which paragraphs did I remove from the article? —Psychonaut 08:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You have removed most important chunks and factual information from Srebrenica Massacre article. It can be described as a total desecration of the facts. I have viewed the article few moments ago, it's a disaster, catastrophy. It couldn't be worse. Although I have discussed all my changes on discussion page, you did not discuss any of your changes before you deleted huge chunks of data from Srebrenica Massacre article. You accuse me of bad faith and being on a mission? You are the one on a mission and with bad faith constantly (like a toddler) complaining against Bosniak editors to administrator notice board and trying to either block them or ban them. Hundreds of editors were involved in building Srebrenica Massacre article, and you deleted tons of information in few minutes! This is not your personal page man. Plus, this is not your first vandalization of wikipedia editors' hard work. Psychonaut had been blocked for vandalism in the past, here is are details http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3APsychonaut and you should be blocked again, now ! You deserve it! If there is no bias and one-sidedness on wikipedia, you must be blocked to preserve integrity of this website. You should be ashamed of your actions. Bosniak 08:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I still don't see where I have removed any information from the article. Could you point to a specific paragraph that has disappeared, or better yet, provide a diff? (And with respect to my blocks, those were accidental, as you can see by the following "oops" unblocks.) —Psychonaut 08:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Psychonaut, please, please, please, please don't use word "Sorry" and don't portray yourself as a nice guy who wants to make things right. You have showed your face in the past, you have showed it tonight, you are in bad faith and you are on a mission - same things you accused me of. Your childish behavior and constant toddler like complaining and a mission and bad faith against Bosniak editors (you named several of them in your latest complaint) is just terrible. You had been blocked for vandalism in the past, and if there is any justice and fairness on this wikipedia, you ought to be blocked again. I have more respect for person I disagree with the most, which is user Hadzija, than I will ever have for you. At least, Hadzija does not go and does not complain about every single thing to administrator notice board. It's because Bosniaks and Serbians share one important value - we hate complaining. We hate going and talking behind people's back. Your behavior is just despicable, oh my god, I can't believe that people like you exist in this world. You accuse me of inventing false word "Bosniakophobia", when you know well that "Bosniakophobia" is as false and as invented as "Serpophobia". If you go to Bosnian wikipedia, you will see that Bosniakophobia has been there for a long time, which speaks about the fact that people use it. But the fact is, I don't care about either Bosniakophobia or Serpophobia, both words are nonsense as Bosniaks and Serbs are numerically "small" people and not that significant for explanation of "phobia". Again, that's another story, not a significant one. What's significant is to preserve facts about Srebrenica Genocide. Serbian and leftist-apologist (socialist) websites have been involved in defence of General MacKenzie, and the most sources that jump into MacKenzie's defence come from those revisionist sources. I have seen some edits that you made on a topic of socialism, so it seems you are interested in those sources, so no wonder you acted against me for a very long time with your threats and edits. It is just sad, just very sad to see such a bad faith in human being such as yourself. Even Serbs don't have such a huge amount of bad faith as I have been able to see in you. It's just sad, it's a catastrophy. Bosniak 08:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I have never read anything about the Srebrenica massacre, including the Misplaced Pages article. I'm not interested in third-party sources about it, socialist or otherwise. You seem to be, though. You have observed that I have made several edits to articles relating to the Socialist Party of Great Britain. If you are curious as to what those socialists have to say about the violence following the breakup of Yugoslavia, there are at least two online aticles: The Yugoslav War—Myths & Realities and Their Country Needs You. Both articles defend neither the Serbs nor the Bosniaks, but rather deplore ethnic nationalism on both sides. —Psychonaut 09:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I am attempting to be neutral. I didn't know very much about this horrible tragedy until this article was brought to my attention. However, after spending several hours reading the article, its reversions, and the sources provided, I have to say that I believe that the changes proposed by Jim Douglas and other editors are the most in-line with Misplaced Pages's policies concerning WP:NPOV. I do not believe that the people reverting the article to the version that contains the neutral POV language (which also removes the BLP violations) are breaking WP rules. I recognize that what happend was a horrible, terrible thing: I don't think any of the people editing the article would disagree with that assertion. However, editors of Misplaced Pages have agreed to maintain a neutral point of view, which means that we cannot write an article strictly from one viewpoint. I cannot tell you how much it hurts to recognize that humans are capable of carrying out such a horrifying action--reading this article made me shed more than a few tears. However, Misplaced Pages is not a memorial, and thus we must write articles that are neutral and contain reliable sources. Your stance, as a person directly affected by this tragedy, is understandably biased. Perhaps you should back away from this article, and trust other users to do their best in reporting all the facts associated with this horrible event. -- Merope 08:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Merobo, thank you for your kind words regarding Srebrenica. I honestly did not expect them. But thank you. What I am trying to point Merobo is the fact that I did discuss my changes. But Psychonaut (who had been blocked in the past for vandalism) did not discuss his changes before he started editing large chunks of Srebrenica Massacre article. It's a sensitive topic and it must be addressed thoroughly in a discussion page before major changes are made, do you agree with that? Yes you do. Having said that, he had not right to edit/delete large chunks of information before first discussing them with us. As I said, he had been blocked for vandalism in the past, so it would not be his first block. On Admin Notice board, you will notice his constant toddler-like complaining, usually against Bosniak editors (he has listed some of them, Bosoni, Bosniakk, etc, etc). He accuses me that I am on a mission and in bad faith, when he is exactly the who is on a mission to ban Bosniak editors from wikipedia; he is in a bad faith with his constant complaining and desecrations of Srebrenica Massacre article. His point of view is biased, as he openly sides with leftist opinions and does not aknowledge that a person who denies genocide is a genocide denier/revisionist, not a critic (this is not a movie). Imagine calling Holocaust deniers "critics"? Come on. He portrays his edits to be in good faith, but they are not, they can't be, he deleted large chunks of important data, just because he wants to impose his views onto the facts. He plays with the international judgements regarding Srebrenica Genocide.. The Srebrenica Massacre article is neutral as it can be, and it's a work in progress (not a finished product yet!). There are problems with the article and they are being fixed, but they cannot be fixed with people such has Psychonaut or Hadzija (Serbian guy who is totally biased and wants to equalize genocide with other war crimes). Having said that - we are still working on these issues, but they cannot be solved by simply repeatedly deleting large chunks of data that editor does not agree with. These issues need to be addressed on a discussion page and editors need to find a compromise and solution. That's a fair way to do it, and that's the way Srebrenica Massacre article has been edited for a very long time. Psychonaut's approach is wrong and goes in the face of hundreds of honest editors who discussed their changes thoroughly. He is just a bad faith editor who constantly complains. It's simple as that. Just go to Administrator Notice board and read his latest commplaint, which is totally one-sided with absolutely biased point of view. Bosniak 08:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Bosniak, you still haven't identified the "huge chunks" of information I supposedly deleted from the article. Could you please let me know what they are so that I can replace them? Also, my latest complaint to WP:ANI concerned a death threat against a user. I don't see how it was one-sided and absolutely biased. —Psychonaut 08:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You are very manipulative. Oh my god, you are playing Mr Nice Guy now. Wholly smoke, you change your face as clock ticks by. Why do I have to idenitify every single edit of yours when every edit has a history? Everything has been recorded here http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&action=history . I have also posted reply to your previous reply, it's in this conversation on top. You need to change man, your behaviour is just ridicolous. Imagine yourself horsing with Holocaust article like you horsed with Srebrenica Massacre article tonight? They would ban you just like that. I refrained from complaining against you and I had tons of great reasons to do so, but I don't waste my time on complaints. I am not a toddler. I discuss my issues with other editors. And your anti-Bosniak stance, mission, and bad faith are visible from your last complaint on admin notice boards. The way you wrote your complaint is biased, it's in bad faith, it's distasteful because it's totally one sided, and you even forgot to mention that you were blocked for vandalism in the past, and yet you accuse me of vandalism. Duh! Busted! Bosniak 09:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Bosniak, don't waste your time and breath. Just remember the reality behind these people. --Opbeith 19:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The "reality behind these people" is that they're editors trying to improve the project. -- Merope 20:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Second Montenegrin Misplaced Pages proposal

I have started up a second proposal on the Montenegrin Misplaced Pages, I think it should be time to restart it. If you want to vote, the link is: http://meta.wikimedia.org/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Montenegrin_2

Just wanted to let you know. Thanks again. --Crna Gora 22:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

" I CrnaGora, vow to never to return to Wiki again". Wow, you changed your mind fast, you're like John Kerry, flip-flopping all over the place. Jedi Svinje 01:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Long time no see, I've been very busy myself, and still am :) How are things? I see you've had quite much drama on wikipedia. I Hope things are better now. Ancient Land of Bosoni

Nice to hear my friend, I've had some problems of my own on the other hand, recently in the Bosnian "war" article. An anonymous user reverts my UN cited statement on rapes. Isn't it vandalism to revert substantially sourced statements? Take a look will you? I will not be on wikipedia for the weekend, me and a couple friends are off to a casino to try our luck with both the chips and the ladies ;) Cuje mo se :D Ancient Land of Bosoni

Disruptive behaviour

Please do not disrupt Misplaced Pages to belabour a point, as you have done by moving Serbophobia to Anti-Serb Sentiment. You already nominated the article for deletion at least once. In a subsequent deletion vote you attempted to produce a result in your favour by changing other users' votes, and you have also performed edit warring on this and related pages. You have been repeatedly blocked for this disruption. Unilaterally moving and retitling the page is just as unacceptable. —Psychonaut 23:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I note that you are continuing to make comments or judgments about editors and their contributions on the basis of what you believe to be the editors' ethnicities. This behaviour was responsible in part for your recent blocks. Please remember to assume good faith, and comment on the contributions, not the contributors. No one chooses their ethnicity. Whether or not an editor is Serbian, Bosnian, or Bosniak imposes no special obligations or restrictions on that editor, and has no bearing on any argument relating to their participation on Misplaced Pages. —Psychonaut 00:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Bosniak Canadian

I've nominated Bosniak Canadian, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Bosniak Canadian satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and the Misplaced Pages deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bosniak Canadian and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Bosniak Canadian during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. —Psychonaut 21:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Ustašoidi u akciji

Želim te upozoriti, da korisnik Ivan Kricancic, pogledaj njegovu korisničku stranicu u svom suludom fanatizmu ide od slike do slike koja si teče Bosne i predlaže je za brisanje. Često to radi nepotpisan: 58.165.115.192. Znam da je sa šupcima teško, ali degen je bolestan i na taj način je izbrisao mnoge članke na Srebrenici. Emir Arven 08:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)