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Is https://www.newsclick.in/ reliable for Indian Cinema related articles?

Is this website reliable for Indian cinema related articles? There is no neutrality in this website. The website propagates a leftist view which lack neutrality. About us in this website dictates as follows " NewsClick’s aim has always been to report, in depth, on news and views ignored by corporate media, whose agenda is dictated by the rich and powerful in the country." These lines emotes the behavior of the website which has some agenda itself. The editor's leftist views are witnessed from this website "https://cpim.org/tags/prabir-purkayastha" which is a political party in India. How can a sympathizer of a political party can be neutral? The reliability of this website is in question. Need discussion on this.--Universalrahu (talk) 20:03, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Noticeboard discussion on reliability of Pinkvilla, Meaww & Bollywood Life

There is a noticeboard discussion on the reliability of Pinkvilla, Meaww & Bollywood Life. If you are interested, please participate at WP:RSN § Pinkvilla, Meaww & Bollywood Life. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 02:07, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Film Companion promo/tracking

Seeing a lot of tracking URLs for Film Companion being added in the review sections of films/TV shows as refs; e.g.: . These are likely being added by the website's operators themselves, while that is not wrong per se tracking Misplaced Pages users through Google Tag Manager strings such as "utm_source=Misplaced Pages&utm_medium=ReviewSeeding&utm_campaign=HouseOfSecretsReview" appears promotional, spammy and unethical to me. Not sure what should be done here: Kailash29792, Ab207, Cyphoidbomb? Gotitbro (talk) 01:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

I say let them be. The site is not spam, it was founded by a leading critic, and other leading critics also write for it. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

While params of any kind are primarily unintentional or an overlook by editors who are just copy-pasting the urls into citations, the "utm_source=Misplaced Pages" is intentional and is thus external link spamming. The website can track incoming Misplaced Pages traffic by referral headers in the HTTP requests. @GreenC Is your bot capable of trimming these tracking params? — DaxServer (talk to me) 07:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

@DaxServer: deferring to @bender235 who might have a better tool BenderBot if interested. I'm not setup/approved for referral removals at scale. -- GreenC 20:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

The potential COI of Film Companion was discussed earlier but the task force was okay with it as FC is generally a reliable source. That said, I don't think there would be any objection if those trackers are removed from the urls. -- Ab207 (talk) 14:43, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Sources for Indian Cinema and TV Series

Hi, can tv series, or film series cast list have a cast which does not have any references or citation? There are a ton of wiki pages that have cast without citation, and they do not have any mantainence tag, but in some articles, many cast have been removed because they were unsourced. So, please clarify my doubt regarding this. Which is correct???Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: As far as I can tell, there's no need for any citation for credited cast because the film itself acts a source for such information. Uncredited roles and character interpretations, on the other hand, must have citations (see WP:FILMCAST). -- Ab207 (talk) 17:51, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ab207: What about Tv Series, or daily soaps???Itcouldbepossible (talk) 02:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible, please go through MOS:TVCAST. Citing noteworthy and credited cast members is not generally required. All other information must be sourced. -- Ab207 (talk) 17:56, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Ab207 Consider the following article Khorkuto, Gangaram, Gramer Rani Binapani, Mohor, or any other TV stub. It has many unsourced cast lists. So will it be removed or kept? It is till not clear to me. MOS:TVCAST is saying that every All names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source., but you are saying that they are generally not required. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 04:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible, it says all names should be referred as credited. That means if a particular actor is credited by name in the show, then the show itself acts as a source for the information. If you are deviating from that, then it should be supported by reliable source. In case of any disupte, please discuss with the concerned editor and reach a workable solution. Hope this helps. -- Ab207 (talk) 16:48, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

WP:NFF has an RFC

WP:NFF has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Platonk (talk) 02:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Dubbed films

In List of Kannada films of 2021, I have removed the dubbed films section but Rajesh Praveen has reverted my edit without any explanation. I'm of the opinion that the list is intended for original Kannada language films only, and not the dubbed ones. Would appreciate the community's input on this. Thanks -- Ab207 (talk) 13:19, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

My personal view is that the article is for films that were originally created in the particular language, not about dubs. I'm not seeing a Dub section in other languages. Ravensfire (talk) 16:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Previous versions of such pages used to carry dubbed versions, award ceremonies, and notable deaths (some still do) but they were removed at some point. If we have consensus to include only original films, we can get rid of other sections. -- Ab207 (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

A user started adding Web/streaming television series citing this reason .I think we need a consensus about which content should be added which not.Sid95Q (talk) 18:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

It's fairly obvious that a list of films should include films only. List of 2021 Indian television debuts may be created separately for the list of television series. Notable deaths and award ceremonies must added in 2021 in film. -- Ab207 (talk) 20:02, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Also users have started adding OTT platforms in List of Malayalam films of 2021, So we need a uniform consensus for all the languages lists as most of the times users argue that there us no discussion or consensus about this. Sid95Q (talk) 06:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Dedicated column for an OTT platform seems unnecessary, although a direct-to-video release may be indicated in the notes columnif needed. -- Ab207 (talk) 15:34, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

• In this edit, I have added the rough consensus of above discussion to the project page. Please review it and suggest any modifications if needed. Thanks. Customary ping to the participating editors, @Ravensfire and Sid95Q: -- Ab207 (talk) 12:53, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of highest-grossing South Indian films

 You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of highest-grossing South Indian films. Ab207 (talk) 15:12, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Film production company articles

With the close of the this AfD as delete, I'm going to try converting articles (except the big ones like Sony, Zee, maybe Red Chillies?) under this category into stand-alone lists (which they already are de facto) as most of the 200 articles there do not pass WP:NCORP. I plan to nominate the absolutely non-notable ones for WP:CSD or WP:PROD; watch these - PROD_log, CSD_log - if you wish to contest any such noms. Please feel free to convert any. Also feel free to revert me, in which case I'll take them to AfD. hemantha (brief) 12:57, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Hemantha, I think if a non-notable production company belongs to a notable actor/producer, it can simply be merged/redirected there per WP:ATD-R. -- Ab207 (talk) 09:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Sure. But from a brief look - say 70mm Entertainments, Blue Planet Entertainments, Shree Devi Entertainers are very hard to salvage? Redirect to most successful film seems iffy, but might work in some cases. hemantha (brief) 12:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

In some cases, a redirect to the owner or main name, if there is one, may be appropriate. Himesh Reshammiya Melodies as am example. There's a feel of WP:UPE happening around some of these companies (Goldmines Telefilms Pvt Ltd as an example with a current AFD and I strongly suspect there are some suspicious editing, not the editor creating the article). If there's not some solid sourcing that focuses on the company itself (and there are some that do have good sourcing and coverage), AFD makes sense. Some of these are just mini walled gardens that need some trimming. Ravensfire (talk) 17:51, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there's a lot of UPE in the recent ones which is how I came across this category (as an aside, one absolute positive listifying has over outright PROD/AfD-ing is that it'd preserve evidence for us non-admins). Anyway I dipped into the waters with Shashi_Sumeet_Productions and Hombale Films before trying to see if there's any precedent to this kind of listifying NCORP fails. And there appears to be little for NCORP, but some for others like this AfD on GM products. hemantha (brief) 14:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Looking for comments at List Of SonyLIV Original Programming

Hey all, I'm looking for comments at Talk:List Of SonyLIV Original Programming to head off an edit-war. Thoughtful comments would be helpful to avoid this going to a drama board. Thanks. Ravensfire (talk) 03:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Reliability of Pinkvilla

Was there any assessment of Pinkvilla's reliablity at ICTF before it was added to the project page? It was discussed at RSN once where Tayi Arajakate argued in favour. I believe Pinkvilla is a decent source with journalists who actually know their stuff with regard to films.

Case in point, take the film Bachchhan Paandey where the makers were tight-lipped about the film's originality. Pinkvilla rightly called out that it was a remake of Jigarthanda back in Nov 2020. They even revealed the gender-reversal of Siddharth's role in the original which is now played by Kriti Sanon, and it turned out to be correct. OTOH, "reliable" sources like The Hindu (Dec 2020), India Today (Mar 2021) were still calling it Veeram's remake while New Indian Express (Feb 2021) said its an " original screenplay" which could have been taken from the Misplaced Pages's version of that time.

Pinkvilla's BO figures are also well informed as they provide territory-wise break up, and mention trade in terms of gross, net and share while sources like India Today simply quote self-published tweets. I'm bringing this up because Pinkvilla is being removed even for non-controversial info like release dates. -- Ab207 (talk) 14:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I say it should be usable, at least for exclusive interviews. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:11, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Usage for exclusive interviews goes without saying, as it falls under WP:PRIMARY territory. But calling it unreliable seems too rigid and inflexible. I'd say Pinkvilla's material falling outside of WP:NOTGOSSIP should be usable for coverage on films. -- Ab207 (talk) 15:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

• If there are no objections, I intend to move Pinkvilla to generally reliable section for the purposes of film-related sourcing. -- Ab207 (talk) 21:01, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

None from my side, as in objections. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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