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February 8

Is it possible to hide registered users' edits on one's watchlist?

Recent changes has this feature. Is there a way to format one's watchlist this way too? ---Sluzzelin 00:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is way without writing a specialized tool for you monobook.js file. Perhaps this question might be better answered over at the MediaWiki Support Desk. —Mitaphane _?|! 01:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Climate Seoul

Pl revert with the present climate of seoul, what is the min & max temp, wind chill at seoul now

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.—Mitaphane _?|! 01:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

obscene language

Please protect you pages from being edited. My 10 year old looked up Meriwether Lewis and read that he was taught to "fuck" his mother and sisters with a pickle because he had no penis. This is absolutely ridiculous. I will be turning this site in as inappropriate for children! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.32.247.88 (talk • contribs).

Misplaced Pages is openly editable, and is sometimes vandalized (see Misplaced Pages:Vandalism). Vandalism is usually quickly reverted - in this case, the vandalism was fixed about 10 minutes after it occurred. We're very sorry you saw this. You might be interested in 2006 Misplaced Pages CD Selection. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I am not an employee of wiki, and I do understand where you are coming from. My sister had some thing almost identical to this happen to her. But you sir must understand that wiki is doing everything they can to delete this trash from wiki. Do not report them. Like I said I don't work for[REDACTED] but they are doing everything they can!!  :) p.s. i hope this didn't sound rude!

Yes it is ridiculous, Misplaced Pages deals with these problems all the time. this proves what you are saying. On[REDACTED] malicious edits such as those are called vandalism and are usually dealt with very quickly, sadly your child was caught in the middle. ~ Arjun 00:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Regrettable indeed, but your statements are a borderline legal threat, which is not something we appreciate very much. DoomsDay349 00:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Please, see Misplaced Pages:Content disclaimer, Misplaced Pages:Disturbing or upsetting content, Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not. Due to the nature of Misplaced Pages, and people in general, this sort of content abuse is bound to happen. — Kieff | Talk 01:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

redirect help

how do you add redirects to a page? Bobman700 00:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Redirect. Xiner (talk, email) 00:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Read the FAQ, images do not appear

Hello I have recently created an article, but the images do not show. Article name: "graphic training aids" I have uploaded the images, when the error shows up i can manualy follow the link to the image, but the images are not displayed on the page. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ildarius (talk • contribs)

The images are showing up normally for me; are you still having the problem. Unrelated, you may not have noticed that Image:Ak74m.gif has been tagged for speedy deletion due to it's copyright status. If you wish to continue using the image, you may want to look into it. -- Natalya 03:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

How to, if possable !

I have found much of your web site very interesting, and I am somewhat new at all this computer infor mation which I do find great. I do save some information to my floppy disk, and hard drive, it saves well except the photos come out blank, with little x in the uper left corner. Is it possable to save the photo's allso, Im not into any violating copyright infring, nor do I chose to publish and of the photos, I just want to save them with the information. To be acurate, had I had access to all this data back in 1965, I probably would have stayed in school instead of inlisting in the Navy..

Thank you for at least reading this, and if there is a way to full copy, that would be great too.

wayne L. Reed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sillyrabit1948 (talk • contribs) 04:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

If I understand your question properly, you can save an image to your disk by clicking the right mouse button on the picture, and choosing "Save Image As.." or a similar selection from the pop-up menu. Mishatx 04:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Also not sure if this is what you meant, but if you're trying to save an entire Misplaced Pages article, including images, to your hard or floppy disk, be sure to:

• In Internet Explorer, when clicking on File --> Save As..., select "Web Page, complete" next to "Save as type"; or
• In Mozilla Firefox, when clicking File --> Save Page As..., select "Web Page, complete" next to "Save as type"

Do this instead of selecting "Web page, HTML only" next to the "Save as type" box. This should save the page as well as any images included on it to a folder for later, offline browsing. If you're not using Internet Explorer or Firefox, let me know which web browser you are using and I'll try and figure out what needs to be done. Hope this helps. —Xhantar 05:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

special math symbols in IE

When I look at Empty set#Properties in Firefox, the special math symbols show up correctly. In IE 7, the special symbols show up as little squares. How can I get them to show up correctly in IE? Bubba73 (talk), 04:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I might be wrong, but when looking at Empty set, it seems the math symbols were edited into the article directly, which IE is unable to display using its default "Latin-based" language script. Normally, the correct wiki markup should be used to display math symbols, as per Help:Displaying a formula, which generates either PNG or simple HTML markup that should display correctly regardless of the web browser used.

For example, the code <math>\varnothing</math> should display the ${\displaystyle \varnothing }$ symbol correctly—even in IE. If you feel up to it, feel free to edit the Empty set article yourself and replace the affected symbols with the correct wiki markup. The available math symbols are listed at Help:Displaying a formula. Hope this helps. —Xhantar 05:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, that symbol shows up correctly for me in IE. It is the symbols down in the Properties section that need to be changed. Bubba73 (talk), 23:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Editing

When I CLEANLY edit a page, I cannot find what changes I have made to the article. My changes are not showing up:(

GO PINK FLOYD!!!

Sry! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lilscrappy2 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Well, you edited this one fine. ;)

• Click the edit tab
• Edit
• Add an edit summary
• I suggest clicking the preview tab
• Review you edit in the preview window
• Be sure to click "Save page"

Mishatx 04:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Try clearing your browser cache after saving-works for me (control-shift-R in Firefox) science4sail con 05:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes all you have to do is reload the page - you'll find a "reload" option at the top of your browser. -- John Broughton (☎☎) 16:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Besides your edits to this page, the only other edit you have contributed is this one which should not have been made. Editorial comments shouldn't be put into articles. I've removed your comment as well as the lyrics to the song that the article is about. Dismas| 16:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Named anchors

MediaWiki on[REDACTED] refuses to recognize the <a> tag.. so how to you manually insert named anchors? --froth 07:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• Section titles are anchors. And references/footnotes too. What do you want to use it for? - 131.211.210.17 09:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Try

<div id="anchor"></div>

--ais523 09:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

<span id="anchor"></span> is what I use, and I know it works. — coelacan talk — 10:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You're right, I meant id rather than name (I've corrected it above). As for div vs. span, div creates a line break and span doesn't, so that depends on the exact context in which the anchor is needed (normally it would be between paragraphs). --ais523 18:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks that span is perfect; I had no idea that id was usable as an anchor --froth 18:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

prince of persia

IM STUCK ON A LEVAL ON THE GAME PRINCE OF PERSIA THE TWO THRONES AND NEED HELP TO GET PAST LEVAL

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. — coelacan talk — 10:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

i have a feeling you'd be better off just hitting gameFAQS. We don't (yet) have a games RD yet... =P --`/aksha 12:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

contact jimbo wales....

all i wanted to do was tell mr. jimbo wales that he is so freaking awesome for starting wikipedia. it gives me so much information that i never even thought i would look up. there are still a lot of things that need to be updated...but, i am telling all my friends about it. thanks a lot. word of mouth will make this travel....much love, from one who travels with the dark carnival on the path to shangri-la. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.34.145 (talk)

You can try User talk:Jimbo Wales. Also, you should sign your posts on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~). Kamope · talk · contributions 11:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Augustine Washington

Augustine Washington wife Mary Ball Mary Ball (1812 - 1892) was an Irish naturalist and entomologist most noted for her studies of Odonata and for her discovery of the curious phenomenon of stridulation in underwater bugs.

Are you saying Mary was born 1812 and died 1892?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Augustine_Washington

This what find when click on her name

Janet

• Yes, that's the basic formatting of birth and death dates. - 131.211.210.17 13:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The Mary Ball that the page linked to was a different Mary Ball. I've fixed the page to link to Mary Ball Washington. Thanks for pointing out the error. –RHolton≡– 13:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Words overlapping

Many of the words within articles overlap when I use wikipedia, making it very difficult to read. Is there some setting in which I can change the size of the font? Thanks. Annam05 14:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

An easy trick to try is hold down the "control" key on your keyboard, and then scroll the "wheel button" on your mouse (if it has one). If it works properly on your system, you will notice a delightfully suriprising result. dr.ef.tymac 14:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

In Internet Explorer, you can access "Text Size" under the "View" menu (I'm not sure what the keyboard shortcut for this is) and in Mozilla it's "Text Zoom" under Mozilla's "View" menu (the keyboard shortcuts here are to hold down "control" and press the plus and minus (hyphen) keys. — coelacan talk — 19:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

About Ng'op Ngeso Primary School.

Hallo Misplaced Pages.

I wanted to ask you one question about the govenment schools you have in Kenya.

I am coming from among the schools in Kisumu-Kombewa. My area school in not in the list of schools in Kombewa. The school's name is Ng'op-Ngeso primary School. This is my village School and I would be very much greatfull if my area School would be in your list.

I am requesting this as member in your site, I am just requesting if it can be one the school in Kisumu-Kombewa please.

Here are the ditails for the school:

Ng'op-Ngeso Primary School P.O.Box 165, Kombewa.

God bless you all. Bernard Otuoma.

All schools must abide by WP:N and WP:V. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 15:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

To elaborate - if you want your school name and information added to an existing article in Misplaced Pages, you should probably post a note on the talk page of that article, with your request. If you wanted a separate article about the school (it's not clear that you do), you should look at this proposed policy: Misplaced Pages:Schools. -- John Broughton (☎☎) 16:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I have added your school to List of schools in Kenya. I assume that this is the action you desired to have taken. ~ ONUnicornproblem solving 17:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Gimli High School

If anyone knows anything about Gimli High School or feels like working on its page, etc etc go ahead, be my guest

Interlaker 17:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You may find some valuable resources, and more people willing to help with a school related article, at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Schools. Dismas| 17:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I added some info to the infobox, including the school's website. —PAN 20:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Image Copyright Question

Can images of american football players playing in the NFL be uploaded to Misplaced Pages under fair use. One Example: Tyler Reed.--Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 22:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You've probably read Misplaced Pages:Copyrights. I don't speak for everyone here, but I think that pictures wouldn't add much to such articles, and I'm sure his pictures are easy to find on the internet, so I'd be ware of fair-use claims in this case. Xiner (talk, email) 03:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

What went wrong!!!!??????

I have been quietly reverting and none of them have been acctually saveing. Nor have any of my edits been regestering. what is going on? I kinda want my edits too show up. But its like I dont exist. Please help. --Darkest Hour • © 22:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I see a lot of recent edits. Which aren't working? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The ones after List of colors. I reverted a lot after that but I cannot even see my helpdesk edits. Can you? --Darkest Hour • © 22:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm overloaded my watchlist. Had over 300 pages. Disabled pages I edit addto watch list. Hope that helps. --Darkest Hour • © 22:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I see three edits after this edit to List of colors. They're all to this noticeboard. Nothing else. But I'm afraid I can't give any explanation. Unless perhaps something you edited was deleted by an administrator? ElinorD 22:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Your browser's cache could be refusing to refresh. Don't fear large watchlists - mine has 1,680 pages and counting. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

List of colors isnt showing up in my edit count even though its set for today. Maybe I should take out popups for a while. I donot know what the HELL is going on but this is the fist time in my computer life this has happened. Please help me find out what is going on. --Darkest Hour • © 23:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:

Are only administrators aloud to create pages in Misplaced Pages: namespace? Kamope · talk · contributions 22:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No. Why? --Darkest Hour • © 22:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No, but pages in the Misplaced Pages namespace should generally be agreed upon by the community as appropriate and useful. So, for example, I created a redirect from Misplaced Pages:Wikiproject Chemistry to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Chemistry a while ago because forgetting the CamelCase was an annoying route to a nonexistent page. Nihiltres 23:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Reverting

How do u revert to a version of an article which has had many edits since the current and the one reverting to? le Dan 22:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:REVERT#How_to_revert explains it pretty well, but if it's still not clear, definitly ask. Basically, if you want to refert to a much previous version, you click on the timestamp of the version that you want, click "edit this page". You'll get a warning that your editing an old version, which is expected. Add an edit summary about what version you're reverting to, and save the page. Be sure you're not losing any valid edits in the process, though. -- Natalya 23:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Adding "Personalizations" to User Pages

How do I add the liitle colored box things (sorry, don't know the jargon) to my user page? Like, the ones that say "this user is a ntive speaker of English," "this user is a cynic," etc. Help would be appreciated. Fading Into Green 23:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Those are called Userboxes. Misplaced Pages:Userboxes should give you all the information you need. -- Natalya 23:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Succession Box Clutter

Is there a way to determine who has the most {{succession box}} templates on their article. I am trying to determine how abnormal the Barry Bonds page is. TonyTheTiger 23:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's built-in search function is probably too weak for that. Even an external search engine such as Google lacks any ability (as far as I know) to generate counts of strings on a Web page. Google has no search command equivalent to "Show me the pages containing at least N instances of (whatever)." However, depending on how determined you are, and what skills you have, it may be possible to do a search like this if you write your own MySQL queries and run them on Misplaced Pages's database, which is available for download. It looks like there was a site that let you run SQL queries on Misplaced Pages's current dump, but that site appears to be inactive now, so you would have to set up your own database mirror of Misplaced Pages. Disclaimer: I have not tried anything exactly like this, but I have poked around the MediaWiki database a little in connection with some corporate wikis I administer, and the database structure is reasonably straightforward. If you know MySQL and a scripting language such as Perl or PHP, only your time and skill limit the kinds of searches you can run and the statistics you can generate. --Teratornis 04:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Medical Advice on the Ref Desks

Why is no one allowed/encouraged to give medical advice on medical related questions? I understand that obviously almost every person who answers the question is not certified or qualified to give out medical advice and it may be dangerous, but are there any legal reasons for this? Can someone sue the Wikimedia Foundation? (Just to be a little redundant) I know it's not recommended for safety reasons, but are there any others? Thanks for the help. --71.117.44.229 23:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a question better asked at the RD. I'd say that dispensing medical advice on the internet is one of the last things Misplaced Pages should offer. Xiner (talk, email) 23:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• There's plenty of reasons. For one, the advice-giver may be liable, and possibly the Wikimedia Foundation (but I'm not sure. It depends.) However, perhaps the most important reason is that licensed doctors are the hands-down best and most reliable source for medical information. Medical advice on the Internet is inherently dubious, and as such, individuals should be urged to seek the advice of a doctor instead. .V. 23:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

So if (hypothetically) I give advice to someone about a medical condition and they follow my advice, but get worse, they could hold me liable? They'd sue me? Also, what do you mean by it depends whether or not the Wikimedia Foundation would be liable? I don't think that Misplaced Pages and its users should give medical advice - I completely agree that doctors are the way to go - I'm just curious. Thanks for the help. --71.117.44.229 23:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it depends. While I don't want to give legal advice (same reason as medical advice), there are different jurisdictions with a different set of rules. Depending on where you are, the laws can be different. It's my understanding that common medical advice (like "Go take aspirin for that headache") doesn't fall under that category, but more serious measures do (like "Give yourself a colonoscapy.") It's best to just not give advice, though, to be sure. If you want to learn more about the laws in your area, the website http://public.findlaw.com/search.html is a good tool. Obviously, that assumes you're living in the United States. I have no information on countries other than the US, unfortunately. .V. 00:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

You could certainly use Misplaced Pages to inform youself about medical conditions/possibly even self-diagnose yourself. But a)[REDACTED] is a wiki, and while its unlikely that the info is wrong on some articles, there's still the chance that something's been vandalized or there's mistakes no one's seen. So Misplaced Pages isn't always reliable. As for legality, by Misplaced Pages saying "we're not responsible", it's sort of washing of the hands. They certainly don't want to be held accountable for some misinformed dupe hurting himself due to something in an article and[REDACTED] saying, "hey, tough luck, that." Dåvid Fuchs 01:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Giving legal advice without training is also illegal in some places. Some goes for medical advice, so some people would be committing a crime/felony when answering such questions. - Mgm| 09:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

That's very interesting. Thanks for your answers. --71.117.47.117 23:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

February 9

Delete an image?

Does anyone know how to delete a previously uploaded image? I uploaded an image a short while ago, but decided that it wasn't necessary and wanted to delete it. Snowonster 00:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Just edit the image's page and place {{db-author}} in it. An administrator will delete the image shortly. Shadow1 (talk) 00:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

my Biography

Hello,

I am trying to fix the Bio about me. Some people changed a few things and removed my pictures. I have rewritten the bio, but I can't seem to get the three pictures to go to my site. The listing is my name "Shaun Walker" and my changes with the text are there, but not the pcitures. I did upload them, but I don't know where they went.

Can you help me with this? My e-mail is: <E-mail address removed to prevent spam>

Sincerely, Shaun

Sure. Misplaced Pages's conflict of interest policy explains why you generally should never work on articles about yourself or articles on subjects you are personally involved with. See also the policy on autobiographies. That said, in order to get the images to appear on a page, you'll have to edit the page to include the images. Just uploading them isn't enough. But to be honest, I don't know how to edit pages that way, so somebody else will have to help you with that bit. --Tkynerd 01:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Linking via images is technically possible, but it circumvents the wiki image page, which isn't good. And as per above, I suggest you don't make an article about yourself. As I say, "if you're notable enough to be on wikipedia, someone else will have added you."

Discussion area

how do you post on the discussion area? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.248.39 (talk • contribs)

@24.115.248.39: You can post on the discussion area by clicking the edit button, typing your comment, signing it and saving the page just like you did here. --WikiSlasher 06:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC) (Cut and pasted from second section, back when this section and the next section were one, I tried to respond to both 24.115.248.39 and andyspud in the same post and then it got separated.) --WikiSlasher 12:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not clear what you mean by "discussion area". You edit any page in Misplaced Pages by clicking on the "edit" tab. A few pages are protected against edits except by registered editors, but normally talk pages (where articles can be discussed) are editable by anyone. -- John Broughton (☎☎) 13:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Commenting on a page

is there a way you can generally coment on a page? like a buletin board for frequently read pages? if there isnt one then i think it woukd be a good idea.. -- andyspud02:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)~~

There's the talk tab next to the article tab to make a comment. According to the talk page guidelines there shouldn't be conversation not to do with the article but most of the time you can get away with it, but if general conversation is cluttering up too much of the page it'll get archived or wiped. If you're logged in you can sign your posts automatically with four tildes (~~~~).

is there a Reverse Dictionary possibility ? or how can I ask question like...

Is there a word that means," a hat trick where a player scores one goal in each period?"

sports questions / ice hockey

MGMody MGMody 02:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the reference desk should be able to help you. Xiner (talk, email) 03:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

This might sound silly but...

How do you type this little fella: "|" ? I'm sick of clicking the button in the insert box, but I can't work out how to use the keyboard to get it on the screen. It definitely appears on the same button as "`" and "¬", the one above tab, but no matter what key combinations I try, I can't get it to appear. It's a British Standard laptop keyboard if that helps... Tbone762 03:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know the British keyboard, but have you tried the button on top of the Enter/Return key? It's a vertical bar of two broken lines, but it does give what you want, I think. Xiner (talk, email) 03:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

According to British and American keyboards you can do AltGr + the key above Tab. Hope this works; I can't check since I have an American keyboard. Dave6 talk 03:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems like it's the first one that works, thanks for the help, guys! Tbone762 03:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, on a British standard laptop, you can use the broken-line on the left, next to the shift button. It shows this |. Skittle 23:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

On my British laptop keyboard, it's hold down shift, and then press the broken vertical line above the left Ctrl (the Z is to the right of it, left Shift is to the left of it, A is above it). | --Mnemeson 10:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Quotes

What's the rule about using non-famous quotes in an article? Do they always have to be cited? (Some of the quotes in the Mike Dirnt article aren't.) Thanks, --Grant M 04:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, quotations should always be cited where used. Trebor 07:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• If the quotes are relevant, it's always better to find sources. If you can't find any, move it to the talk page. Only delete them immediately if they violate WP:BLP. - Mgm| 09:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Editing article title

The entry for McClelland and Stewart (the publishing house) should properly be McClelland & Stewart (with an ampersand). I've changed it in the body of the article, but how do I change it in the title?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Crimscote (talk • contribs)

The way to do it is to move the page. However this can only be done after you have had an account for 4 (I think) days. According to their website the ampersand is correct so I have moved it to McClelland & Stewart. James086 07:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

health status of call centre executives+obesity prevalence in world, Indiaamong executives

I am carry out a thesis in the topic DIETARY &LIFESTYLE PATTER OF CALL CENRE EXECUTIVES &TO ASES THEIR RISK FOR OBESITY. NUTRITION EDUCATION PROGRAMME.In this regard i would like to access the relavent topic to my study. So i would like to know if any referrence materail is available in your website, or in any articles.

I would also like to know if you could send the relevant articles ,or referrences to my mail id.

I would be thankful to hear from you.

Yours faithfuly,

surya deepti,

09.02.2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.111.69 (talk • contribs)

Interesting topic :)

You can search Misplaced Pages for different articles related to your thesis. Please see here for instructions. Some articles that might be relevant, or at least point to other sources of interest, could be: Help desk; Diet (nutrition); Lifestyle; Obesity. Be sure to check the External Links, See Also, and/or References sections of articles that match for possible, further relevant sources of information. Good luck! —Xhantar 08:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

meaning of rian

my baby boy name is RIAN... WHAT IS THE MEANING OF RIAN

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. —Xhantar 07:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

If Rian is a variant spelling of Ryan, then it means King. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Creating new articles

Italic textBold texthow can we wrrite an article on wikipidia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sggandhe (talk • contribs)

Please see Help:Starting_a_new_article. —Xhantar 11:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Note: Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four halfwidth tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you.

Problem with entry display

I thought you might like to know that your entry on "Clinical Depression" is not displaying properly.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.101.191 (talk • contribs)

• For me it displays correct and according to the article history it has been correct since 12:30, February 8, 2007. Can you be a little more specific? - Mgm| 12:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

creating a page

how do i creat a page on Misplaced Pages, i want to creat a page under PS2 games, the game is called Extermination—Preceding unsigned comment added by Valkyrie Iceman (talk • contribs)

Please see Help:Starting a new page and Misplaced Pages:Your first article. Cheers PeaceNT 12:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Sorry we already have an article about that game. See Extermination (video game). - Mgm| 12:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

one account

dear sir,

i need one account to access wikipedia, wikibooks, and other projects.

how can i make it.

thanks

This is one of the most requested features on the Wikimedia wikis ever, but it hasn't been implemented yet. m:SUL details some of the efforts to implement it that have happened. For the time being, you'll have to create a separate account on each of the projects; if you use the same username and email address, it will make it easier to give you a single account if and when that feature is ever implemented. --ais523 13:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

At the moment, there isn't an easy way. You'll have to create individual accounts on each Wikimedia site. However, OpenID should be implemented soon, which could provide the solution.

Quite conincidently, I was coming here to ask if anyone knew a certain date for OpenID implementation... --saxsux 13:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Disable wiki-markup in edit summary

Is it possible to disable wiki-markup in edit summary? I want the edit summary to show ]. I tried to disable it with <nowiki>, but it doesn't work; it keeps show up like this. --Joshua Chiew 13:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

No, it isn't possible. (When people want to do this, they normally leave off a closing bracket and type it instead). You can preview your edit summaries by using the 'show preview' button after typing one in, so you can test edit-summary markup (which isn't very complicated). --ais523 13:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I looked up Help:Edit summary myself and found that it is not possible. Anyway, thanks for the reply and the suggestion. --Joshua Chiew 15:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Can I upload images

Can I upload images related to the article published on Misplaced Pages?

Yes, we need more images! Misplaced Pages:Copyrights and Misplaced Pages:Images may be helpful. Xiner (talk, email) 14:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

assembly language

what is the basic instruction of assembly language.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.223.25.2 (talk • contribs)

• Hi, your best bet for questions about computing would be the computing reference desk. Just click on that link and ask away. (This page is for help with Misplaced Pages itself). You may also want to take a look at Assembly_language#Language_design. Thanks, and good luck! TheronJ 14:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

physics

what kind of laser which used for bose einstein condensation203.130.9.24

Please ask Science questions here: Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Science. GhostPirate 14:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

messed up a redirect

I created a stub Palegar, then found that Palegar is another spelling of Palayakarra. So I cut my text out of Palegar and pasted it into Palayakarra, then I wanted it to be so that someone who looked for Palegar would be redirected to Palayakarra. But I messed it up and can't undo it. Very sorry. Itsmejudith 15:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess you mean it should redirect to Palayakarrar, so I've fixed that. --pgk 15:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I see my mistake. Your help much appreciated. Itsmejudith 15:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Upload PHOTOGRAPHS!!!!!!!!

I have a question---- HOW CAN I UPLOAD A PHOTO?? and also IF I HAVE ALREADY UPLOADED THE PHOTO WHY I CAN`T SEE IT IN THE PAGE WHERE I`M EDITING??????? I would really really appreciate if somebody can answer this complicated question!!!!!

wikithewako Thank you!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikithewako (talk • contribs)

You may want to read Misplaced Pages:Images first. Xiner (talk, email) 15:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Or see our help page for images. Trebor 15:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Mary Magadalene in Talmud?

How do I contact a contributor about a citation I cannot find. A contributor to the Mary Magdalene article cites a censored part of the Talmud. I can't find his citation.Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indianastatefair (talk • contribs)

Look through the history of the article and see which contributor added the information. Then try contacting them on their talk page. If the information remains unsourced, then you are allowed to remove it (see our verifiability policy). Trebor 15:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yearbook citation?

What citation template should I use to cite a university yearbook?↔NMajdan•talk 16:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

You can see a list of citation templates (and a few others with similar names) at Special:Prefixindex/Template:Cite. Out of those, {{cite book}} seems the most appropriate. (Note that the citation templates are quite flexible, so it's possible that several would work; just leave out the fields that are inappropriate for a particular use.) --ais523 16:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Search delay question

Why my article "Theory of evolution of an intelligent ecosystem " is not shown in the search?

The search function runs off its own index, which takes time to update. A new article should be searchable within a week. --ais523 18:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Image move possible?

Is it possibe to move an image and all of its associated tags, discussion pages, etc. to a new image name? Some joker uploaded a picture of Grover Cleveland Middle School and named it ]. That same person also wrote the stub on Grover Cleveland Middle School. Can the image be moved? SmartGuy 17:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The only way to do that is to re-upload the image under the new name. Save it to your computer; then re-upload it. Then mark the old image for speedy deletion as a duplicate. ~ ONUnicornproblem solving 17:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Suspicious password reminders

Hi,

In the last week I've received two e-mails from wiki saying that someone has asked wiki to send a new password to me. It wasn't me. One could be coincidence, but I'm skeptical that two requests are coincidence. Is there any additional measures I can take? Should I report the requester's IP address to wiki?

thanks, Ehb 18:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

You may want to go to WP:AN and post the headers of the emails on the talk page of the IP. Xiner (talk, email) 18:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Revival_Fellowship

IT appears that there are several disgruntled ex-members of the organisation whos duty is to edit and write misleading information regarding the organisation.

References to cults, abuse, etc are misleading and incorrect. Infact, legal action can be taken for slander of a company/organisation.

How can we deal with this?

Fix it. If they continue to revert for more than 3 times, call 3RR on them. GofG _|| Contribs 18:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest trying to communicate with the people in question on talk pages before it gets to that stage. If the edits are vandalism, you can give vandalism warnings; if they're not obviously vandalism, try going through the steps of dispute resolution. Notifying the admin's incident noticeboard can also be helpful in complex cases. --ais523 18:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Creating a link within a previously written article

I'm probably being dense here. Despite reading your excellent reference about how to edit an article, I seem incapable of doing what I'd like to do. Within your article about Guy Gavriel Kay's wonderful Fionavar Tapestry series, I could add some detail to your characters. Dave Martyniuk and Kim Ford have links to articles specifically about them; Kevin Laine, Paul Schaefer, and Jennifer Lowell do not. I am quite familiar with these stories, as I have read and re-read them several times, but I don't know how to create links from the main article about the Fionavar Tapestry to new individual articles. Do I need to write the individual articles and then you would create the links? Please let me know, or else I won't feel comfortable trying to attempt this.

Sincerely yours, Nancy Jay —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pnmehjay (talk • contribs)

The nuts and bolts of creating a link are at Misplaced Pages:Editing_FAQ#How_do_I_make_links.3F; basically, all you do is add a pair of square brackets around the term: ]. So if I wanted to link to the article "Tree", I would write ], which would produce Tree. If you make a link to an article that already exists, the link will be blue, like the link to Tree was. If you make a link to an article that does not yet exist, the link will be red, like if I tried to link to an article called Trees are really cool. Redlinks are fine as long as the subject could at some point have an article written about it. Providing the subjects are notable enough, you are welcome to write articles on the subjects, though you can also just add the links. -- Natalya 20:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

As Natalya mentioned, I would just edit the Fionavar Tapestry article, and make wiki (internal) links of the words which you plan on turning into new articles. To do this, enclose the relevant word(s) between square brackets, e.g.:

]

This will show up as: Kevin Laine

If the new links point to articles that do not already exist, they will turn up as redlinks. Clicking on those redlinks will then allow you to quickly create the relevant new articles.

However, please see:

• Wikilinking
• Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (links)

Please also ensure that the subjects of the new articles you plan on creating are notable enough, and remember to cite your sources.

Note: Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four halfwidth tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you.

Hope this helps! —Xhantar 20:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Salil

why did you delete salil?

it was a legitamite topic.

is it just because he's indian? racist jerk.

The article was not deleted because he is Indian. It was deleted because the article had no assertion of importance or significance. Articles that lack such information qualify for speedy deletion. In this case, the article fell under criterion A7 as the deletion log shows. If you do not believe the article should have been deleted, you are welcome to leave a polite message on the deleting admin's talk page, who in this case was BorgQueen; I'd recommend obtaining some reliable sources with which to verify Salil's notability before doing so, however. I hope this helps to answer your concern, and I wish you a most wonderful day! Kyra_~(talk) 20:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Need to find resonse to Upload

I posted a file/question, entitled "Pursuit of Money is Foolishness" at or about Tuesday, January 23, 2007, 6:15:57 PM. It was originally intended for Organization of Concerned Scientists, but sent to a wider audience. Response was promised within 12 hours, and would be sent to the IP address on file. I do not remember entering an email address, and was unaware of 'my talk' frame when logged in. Thought it would be sent to my IP address on POP mail.

Have signed up a NEW user passcode ID, so can't access my original and forgotton account for posted reply.

Can you send me the response to the uploaded question, or must I resubmit???

Your question is a little confusing. From what I understand, you posted a question on Misplaced Pages, and someone told you they would respond within 12 hours to your IP address.

An IP address is different from an e-mail address. Put simply, an IP address identifies your particular computer on the network. Misplaced Pages users who have not logged in are identified by their IP address (4 numbers separated by periods, like 123.45.67.89).

If the response was sent to the talk page for your IP address, you should be able to see it by logging out, and then going to Special:MyTalk. If it isn't there, then I would suggest that your best bet is to resubmit the question. I'm not sure what the nature of your question is, but questions about using Misplaced Pages can be posted right here. Knowledge-related questions should be posted to the appropriate section of the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk.

Hope that helps. Let me know if you have further questions. —PAN 21:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Copyright of images intended for use on Misplaced Pages

Hi all,

I intend to use images from this United States Fire Administration report, on the article on this fire. I am assuming that they are in the public domain, as images produced by the United States Federal Government, and could be tagged with {{PD-USGov}}. However, as a UK citizen I am unsure of US copyright law, and want confirmation of this from someone US-based before I upload anything. Thanks, Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 20:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, as long as the image was produced by the US government, then it is in the public domain. I believe the images you wish to use do indeed qualify as public domain under the US Code. I'd be bold and go ahead and upload them. I hope you have a most wonderful day, and happy editing! Kyra_~(talk) 22:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. As it is late here in the UK (I run on the same time as Misplaced Pages), I will upload them tomorrow for use on the article; which I hope to nominate for GA immediatly after. Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 23:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Redirecting various possible name titles one may search on

I recently wrote an article named Genealogia deorum gentilium libri, however when another person searches for this they may use these possible titles listed that I would like to then have it redirected to my article as the results. How do I do that, or can someone more knowledgeable write this up so that those searches get to my new article? Are the searches case sensitive on upper case and lower case letters (capital letters) or if one spelled it all with lower case letters, would it be found anyway even though the article itself has capital letters in some of the words of the title (like below titles)?

• Genealogia deorum gentilium
• Genealogy of the Gods
• Genealogy of the Myths
• Genealogy of the Mythical Gods
• Genealogy of the Mythology Gods
• Genealogy of the Mythological Gods
• Boccaccio's Genealogia deorum gentilium
• Boccaccio's Genealogia deorum gentilium libri
• Boccaccio's Genealogy of the Gods
• Boccaccio's Genealogy of the Myths
• On the Genealogy of the Gods of the Gentiles

--Doug 21:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Doug. You will need to create the mentioned articles as redirects. For example, to redirect Genealogia deorum gentilium to Genealogia deorum gentilium libri, simply create the Genealogia deorum gentilium article, and enter:

#REDIRECT ]. This needs to be the first (and normally, only) line in the new article. Note, though, that you can still add the redirect page to the relevant category/ies, which is most likely a good idea, in this case.

Searches are not case sensitive.

Hope this helps! Feel free to post here again if there is anything else you need help with. —Xhantar 22:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes! That worked great. I have them all done now, with the Categories within each REDIRECT as you recommended. Thanks.--Doug 23:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

membership

how do i join?

Leo

See WP:WHY (which mainly explains why getting an account is a good idea, but also should have a nice big waiting for you). :) Hope that helps! Luna Santin 22:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Romadrid

This needs fixing somehow: Romadrid

thanx

I've deleted the article, since it was out of place in an English encyclopedia. Thanks for drawing it to our attention. Canderson7 23:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

anon editing

Where does it say "Add your opinion to an article, click save and wow youve edited your first article"? I have read it somewhere but cant find it. 30% of the reverts Ive done have been taking out bias comments. 60% have to do with the male anatomy. 5% page blanking. 10% other. Please direct me to it so I can change it and hopefully cut down on that type of vandalism.Cheers: --Darkest Hour • © • RfC 23:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

That shouldn't be anywhere. Maybe that was vandalism? Prodego 00:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Fonts

What font is Misplaced Pages designed to be displayed in? It used to display nicely on my computer, then I unloaded a whole bunch of fonts and now it is very hard to read. I would like to know what font it's designed to be read in so that I can put it back on the computer and be able to read it again! Thanks. Katherine.

Try clicking View...Text size...Normal/Medium in your browser. Xiner (talk, email) 00:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

February 10

New section

hi i quickly started an account and did an entry because everytime i went to CNN or WRC site, i noticed my husband's name (nick charles), and then no link to his name...

anyhow maybe im just tired, but im normally good at figuring things out but i can not figure out how to make correct entries in your style. if someone there wouldnt mind looking it over and kindly editing it so that whatever is supposed to be in bold and blue, would be great.

also i went back so many times trying to edit, that the "history" looks ridiculously silly to me. if theres anyway that some of that can be erased, id be forever grateful.

best, and i do enjoy your site!

Cory

To create a new section on a discussion page (like this one), click on the + sign between "Edit this page" and "History". You can also create new headers manually, as I have done for your post. To answer your other question: History cannot be erased -- we have to keep the edit histories around to comply with the GFDL. In the future, you can use the "show preview" button to avoid having too many edits in the history. Dave6 talk 04:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

A question on viewing all your User pages and subpages

I am definate I have seen this before on someone's userpage - How do you make Misplaced Pages show the full list of your user subpages etc. I know its under the 'special search' function, but I am really wanting to find out. Thanks in advance, Extranet 04:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe you are looking for Special:Prefixindex. I hope you have a most wonderful day! Kyra_~(talk) 08:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello,

 I'd like to register to help with a few areas (German history & culture, history in general, etc.), but the 

advice for those who wish to participate is apparently summarized as

To join the project, just add your name to the Participants section using #YourUserName (talk · contribs)

This may be a silly question, but what does that mean? I see no obvious place to do this.

Thanks, Michael <email removed by Kyra_~(talk)>

Seeing same message on edit summaries (possible bot?)

I am watching the Recent Changes and the following message is showing up on several different anonymous IPs:

Replaced page with 'If you are keen on seing the beheadings of people, then go to "youtube"; this, for the moment, is an article of an encyklopedia

This appeared on the following anon IP - user:84.148.87.152. Thanks, Ronbo76 07:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

This user too - user:84.148.87.152 on this userpage User:Everyking. Ronbo76 07:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not a bot -- you are seeing an automatic edit summary. They show up for certain types of edits (mainly blanking a page or replacing a page with a small amount of text). These can be very useful for quickly spotting and reverting vandalism. Dave6 talk 07:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Also note "← = automatic edit summary" at the top of every page's History page. Like the arrows that point to automatic section headers for section edits, except in the other direction. 76.22.4.86 22:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

how do i edit a page?

Click on "edit this page" at the top of the screen. Dave6 talk 07:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course, you already know that, given that you managed to post that question Dave6 talk 08:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

A whole bunch of questions about the RfC process

Psychotherapy does not fit into any of the topic areas covered for RfC. Is there a reason for this? If there is, my guess is that it has tended to create more problems and more heat rather than resolving the problem at hand. If that is the situation, what is the alternative for getting comments to help low level dispute resolution in the field of psychotherapy? If there is a need for an RfC on the question of whether some content of an article is adequately sourced (where the fact that the content happens to be on psychotherapy is of secondary importance), how would one register such an RfC? Finally, could a broad topic area be added that would include psychotherapy in the list of RfC topics? --GrahameKing 08:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I would think that psychotherapy would be best put in the Maths, science, and technology section; it would tend to fall under the section for clinical and medical topics. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree that there's no obvious place to put an article on psychotherapy, but depending on the article, I would say it should fit into either "Maths, science and technology" (viewing psychology and associated subjects as a science) or in "Society, law and sex." I don't think the intention of the existing categories is to exclude any topic area; you may wish to bring up this issue at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment. Disputes over the adequacy of sourcing are probably a very common reason for bringing an article RfC. --Tkynerd 16:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Inserting photographs

I need clear instruction to insert photographs into a page. Most of the photographs will be under the GNU Free Documentation License.

I need help to upload and Tag photgraphs from my own 'Ducument files' the procedure is not clear to me.

M. R. Low 10:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Table in If statement

I am trying to put wiki table in #if: statement but when a value for the variable is not found or a space character is found instead of skiping the display of any cell at all, I get empty cells. In many working templates, I have seen that instead of wiki table, HTML table is used in #if:

Are there any technical obstacles in using wikitable with wiki syntax's If statement? Is it necessary to use HTML table in If statement?

Szhaider 10:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I've done it. It gets complicated -- wikiyntax inside of parserfunctions can be the death of you. Recommend prolific use of {{!}} when you need bars, among other things. I'd recommend looking at how an infobox is put together -- they're tables loaded with parserfunctions, so if you can make sense of that, you're all set. Alternatively, let me know where you're working on, and I can have a look; I'm not confident in my ability to explain how it all works, but I can usually get the job done. Luna Santin 11:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I got stuck here and was referred to "Currently wiki pipe table syntax doesn't work inside conditionals, but there are some workarounds..." Notinasnaid 13:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your response! I have worked on quite complex infoboxes and other templates for Misplaced Pages Urdu. I can quite easily read wiki syntax. I have mostly used HTML tables in parser functions. For a new infobox, I decided to use wiki table using {{!}} for every bar in wiki table's syntax. Here is and example:

{{#if:{{{var1|}}}|
{{!}}-
{{!}}Anything here
{{!}}{{{var1|}}}
}}

I think there is something wrong with this code. It seems to work perfectly well but when value of a variable is skipped or just a space character is given, empty cells are created. I haven't seen any working example of usage of wiki table in parser functions and that's why I am confused. Thanks! Szhaider 18:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Guys! Any ideas about above example? Where I am wrong? Waiting... Szhaider 06:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Try putting the new row before the if. I don't know why, but it works. --NE2 06:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Archiving

How do I archive discussions in my user talk page? Hari Seldon 10:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

See WP:ARCHIVE -- I personally cut-n-paste everything into a sub-page, and then link to the sub-page from my user talk page. User talk:Luna Santin would get archived to User talk:Luna Santin/Archive 2, and so on. Luna Santin 11:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Who was...

Hi there, I'm an experienced editor but I would just like to ask, who was thid WillyonWheels person and what did he do which made him infamous. Thanks.Tellyaddict 12:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Willy on Wheels was a vandal (or several vandals) who liked to move pages around. Most of the time, he/they would create sockpuppets and move a random page from its original title to something like "<original title> ON WHEELS!". Shadow1 (talk) 12:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Editors refusing to respond to arguments

At the Anti-Zionism page we're using a very reliable source, which is a statistical survey by Yale scholars Kaplan and Small that links anti-Israel sentiment in Europe to antisemitism. The paper includes both the raw data and its interpretation, so that it is both a primary and a secondary source.

However, other editors, at the Talk page, insist on also quoting from a review of Kaplan and Small's paper, in which the reviewer (Diana Muir), draws different conclusions than the authors themselves, with a clear bias in my view. I've attempted to remove her quotes on the grounds that she isn't a reliable source:

• She makes unsourced assertions on the statistical concept of correlation, not being a statistician.
• She makes unsourced assertions about the bias of European journalists, not being an expert in media analysis.
• She claims Kaplan and Small's paper surveys anti-Zionism, when it surveys anti-Israel sentiment, which may or may not coincide with it.

The other editors refuse to respond to my arguments, and claim that since a consensus has been reached, the Muir quotes stay. It seems to me they're more interested in Muir's bias than in any reliable information in her review. The very fact that the review of an article comes to conclusions not found in the article itself is telling.

My position has been supported by other users, but they've quit contributing to that Talk page, so that I'm alone against several editors who refuse to respond to my arguments, rely on their numerical superiority and have resorted to all sorts of personal attacks, including their calling me a troll. What can I do? --Abenyosef 14:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

here here the same has hapened to me.--Lucy-marie 14:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Abenyosef, I think you should be asking here specifically for guidance on the other editors' claim that assessing the reliability of sources somehow constitutes original research. I personally am quite unable to comprehend the confusion of mind that could lead someone to draw such a conclusion, but I've looked at the relevant policies (is that also WP:OR? *rolls eyes*) and don't see anything that unambiguously covers this point. It seems clear to me that WP:OR consistently refers to article edits, as you said at Talk:Anti-Zionism, and it also seems clear to me that Misplaced Pages editors are expected to assess the reliability of sources, but I can't point to a specific policy that supports this. I think it's just common sense. --Tkynerd 15:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, ultimately I think your next step would be WP:RfC. It should be a last (or almost-last) resort, but since the other editors are not willing to hold a discussion with you, you may have to go that route. --Tkynerd 15:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

1930s family photograph tagging

Today I tried to upload a photographic image taken in the 30's for submission to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/EMD_Winton-engined_switchers#SW I ran into problems re the license. It is a scan of an old photograph found in my family archives, probably of the first diesel locomotive delivered to the Shawnee shops in the 30's. The thread does not have any photos of SW switchers, so I thought this might help. How to proceed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghpretty (talk • contribs)

This is a second-hand reply I made to another user with a similar question—hope you don't mind the semi-copy/paste.

I'd check out WP:COPYVIO. It's divided up into "Pre-inclusion Help" (for determining whether an image can be used before uploading it); "Postinclusion Problem Solving" (for finding out the best course of action after an image has been uploaded); and "General Copyright Advice and Discussion". You can post there, asking for assistance from other editors and probably administrators, if you are unsure of what to do or are having problems with an image that you are "suddenly" not allowed to use.

...

In the meantime, if you are still unsure about all this, it might be best to post a new message at Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems, explaining , and asking for advise on whether or not the image can be used or not—and if not, why not. To properly indicate the image name you are referring to (if already uploaded), instead of actually displaying it on the page, use this code:

] - note the : before the word "Image".

Note: Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four halfwidth tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you.

Hope this helps! —Xhantar 16:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Objectivity

I have seen an "objectivity" or point of view notice on several articles, but could not find the answer to this in the FAQ: how do I go about challenging the objectivity of an article?Opaanderson 14:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

You do two things: (1) add the {{POV}} tag to the article or section in question (if you can isolate the problem to a specific section, it is better to tag just that section); (2) raise the issue on the article's talk page. --Tkynerd 15:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Users and categories

Are users allowed to categorise themselves? See User:Sir Walterhouse (scroll all the way down!).--Vbd 14:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Userboxes sometimes (but not always) come with a category attached to them. For example, an "I like X" userbox might come with the category "Wikipedians who like X." It's a pretty standard practice. However, categories that are used for articles should not be used on a user's page. .V. 15:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Dealt with. The editor had copy-pasted several entire articles on to his user page, including the categories and interwiki links. I deleted the page, as the only original content on it was a short 'burn the fags' rant. As V. says, article categories shouldn't appear on user pages, and vice versa. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:57, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I suppose I didn't notice the copy/pasting... .V. 16:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

WYSIWYG Editor for Misplaced Pages?

Hi. I've noticed quite a few very complex userpages. I was wondering, do these need to be hand-coded or is there some WYSIWYG editor that can allow for a quick copy/paste job?

Thanks. .V. 15:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The Transhumanist has some totally awesome pointers at User page design—excuse the POV :D You can also ask at the User Page Help Desk.

As for a WYSIWYG editor for Misplaced Pages, check out wikEd (compatible with Mozilla Firefox only), although I'm not sure how helpful it will be when coming to user page design.

Hope this helps. —Xhantar 16:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

How to deal with bad behavior -- including by admins

I've been personally attacked in a Talk page. The other editors there refuse to respond to my arguments about sources on the grounds that I used original research to determine their reliability. This is against NOR policy that doesn't forbid the use of O.R. to check sources. Here's a sample of the attacks I've gotten:

"Aben, I'm sorry but I think it is time you cut your losses and stop arguing. It is beginning to sound like denial."

"Your claims are irrelevant, since they are ooriginal research. (...) I think its time to quit, bud."

"If you value your time, you'll give this silliness up."

"Abenyosef has created a username seemingly for the sole purpose of advancing this material, and other anti-Zionist propaganda, on this article (and apparently no other article). He keeps on referring to the presumpton of good faith, but that presumption is rebuttable. At this point, a consensus has spoken loud and clear, and yet he persists. I believe, at this point, that he has lost the presumption of good faith. At this point, he is merely troll pushing an ideology through the usual misinformation, propaganda, and outright lies."

And, finally, the most stunning attack was:

"Actually, WP:NOR applies quite explicitly to the way sources are chosen and used. It baffles me that you would imagine you understand Misplaced Pages's content policies better than I do. You've been editing Misplaced Pages for 2 weeks, almost all of it to this article and Talk: page; the hubris in imagining you have the content policies down pat is astonishing."

This is amazing because the author of this attack is an admin and is on the arbitration committee.

What can I do? --Abenyosef 16:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

You can try leaving a polite message on their talk page. I personally abhor comments such as the ones you quoted above; I have a big thing against incivility. But don't respond to incivility with incivility. Simply be polite. .V. 22:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Something screwy

Copied below is a "message" I received from Misplaced Pages. What's weird about it is that no one in my household knows anything about Islam in China, and none of us care a whit about NASCAR. It appears that there is some kind of error, or someone is doing something in "our name". My children are not allowed on the internet, and I doubt they could spell "Islam" or "NASCAR". Likewise, my wife has no interest in these areas either, so I can say with a high degree of confidence our computer hasn't been used for anything like this. If you have any questions, you may contact us at (e-mail removed to prevent spam) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.72.98.104 (talk • contribs) (message removed, can be viewed on User talk:67.72.98.104]])

• As the box at the bottom of the talk page says: "Some IP addresses change periodically, and may be shared by several users." If you are a member of a large network (like AOL or something like that), you may be using a shared IP address which someone else used to vandalize the page you mentioned. If you are positive the warnings don't apply to you, then ignore them as they were most likely meant for someone else. You could also create your own user account in order to avoid future confusion. --Nebular110 17:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Forgotten username and password

How can you mail me another confirmation code because mine already expired. I also have forgot my username and password. My email is

(e-mail address removed to prevent spam)

Thank You!!

Can I download contect and burn to a dvd?

Is it possible +/or legal to filter certain content from the entire Misplaced Pages universe, e.g., all wiki content pertaining to WWII, and download it +/or burn it onto DVD's for personal use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cliffio (talk • contribs)

Yes. All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. See Copyright for details.

You should be able to save entire Misplaced Pages articles, including images, to your hard drive and then burn them to DVD, by:

• In Internet Explorer: clicking on File --> Save As..., selecting "Web Page, complete" next to "Save as type"; or
• In Mozilla Firefox: clicking on File --> Save Page As..., selecting "Web Page, complete" next to "Save as type"

Do this instead of selecting "Web page, HTML only" next to the "Save as type" box. This should save the page as well as any images included on it to a folder that you can then burn to DVD. If you're not using Internet Explorer or Firefox, let me know which web browser you are using and I'll try and figure out what needs to be done.

Note: Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four halfwidth tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you.

Hope this helps. —Xhantar 17:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

If you know what you are doing, you can download a database dump of Misplaced Pages. To download it, go to http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20070206/ and download the dump that you want. At the time of this message, the english Misplaced Pages dump is still in progress. However, database dumps are .xml files, so you'll need an xml reader to read them. Some database dumps have all of the articles on them. Others simply have a list of the article names. PTO 21:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Remember to check that the pages haven't been vandalised. --WikiSlasher 00:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

creating

how do you create a informational page.

Our Introduction contains a lot of helpful material for new users. Xiner (talk, email) 18:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

spam

If I think an article may be getting attracting spam is there anything that can be done specifically eg a spam-block? I refer to the article levi - I have reverted the spam already.87.102.9.117 18:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

That article looks fine. It's been vandalized much less often than some others. Xiner (talk, email) 18:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, just asking87.102.9.117 18:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:AIV and WP:RFPP are two ways to fight persistent vandalism, in general. Xiner (talk, email) 19:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

How to get an IP blocked?

Someone is continually vandalising New York Yankees and in addition to reverting and warning the user, I was wondering how does one request an IP/user block? --Crimson30 18:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:AIV. Xiner (talk, email) 19:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Note, IPs can be audited for users who try to evade blocks by switching accounts. BuickCenturyDriver 01:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Just got an account

I recently uploaded a picture of Mt. Baldy to put on the Philmont Scout Ranch page. How do I take off the other picture? AaronPhilmont 20:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Erase the image from the article. There should be a image with ] when you press edit this page. Pick the right one, by memorising the name of the image you don't want, and erasing it. Your image has to have to follow WP:IMAGE or else it'll be deleted 04:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Page Name Change

Hi, how do I go about getting the name of a page changed? I've been working on the "Oxford house" article, and Oxford House is actually the name of a buisness, and therefore a proper noun and both words should be capatalized. So Oxford house needs to become Oxford House. How do I do this? Thanks.65.190.56.196 21:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Move it. Xiner (talk, email) 21:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Only registered users with accounts at least 4 days old can move pages. You can request a page be moved at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. Prodego 02:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

How should i be able to find a specific sponsorer.

Dear sir, My name is malang jatta i have join in your organisation ,simply because i and my parent are very poor to takeup my education. Please help me.Thankyou.

I'm not exactly sure what you want. .V. 23:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

And as far as education goes, you might take a look at Wikiversity. It's free, as is Misplaced Pages. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Beretta Military Shoulder Weapon WW 1 or WW II

Moved to here

User with an Agenda

The user 67.171.163.212 appears to be doing work on behalf of corporations. In looking at his/her log, you see hundreds of articles about commercial products--and many, many about specific products. This has led to remarkable amounts of junk content, specifically around the Jumpstart series of programs. At one time, I deleted extraneous information, but more has cropped up. What can be done about this? --Kearnsdm 23:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

There seem two very different possibilities - the user likes to write about television shows and their actors, computer software for children (such as Jumpstart), and movies, or the user is being paid to do this. If the latter, it's not a 9 to 5 job, judging by postings on December 25th and December 31st, holidays for pretty much anyone. Moreover, the IP address is in Oregon, not where you'd expect a PR drone to be located.

Several thoughts come to mind. First, you might ask the folks at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam to give their opinion. Second, you might post at Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard (but I suggest posting a note on the user's talk page first, and waiting a day or two to see what happens before posting to the noticeboard). Third, you could just report this at WP:AN/I and see if any admin will bite. Before doing the latter, you (again) might want to post a note for the user, saying that you were concerned about his/her postings, and would appreciate knowing more before bring this to admin attention.

I will say that the articles I looked at seemed well written, and that many editors tend to have different criteria for articles on fictional (so to speak) subjects, like games, movies, TV, books, than for factual articles (bios, companies, events, etc.). My personal attitude is that if something isn't obvious PR/advertising (e.g., "This is among the best games on the market for 8-12 year olds"), then I leave it alone. YMMV. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

ip vandals

are any vandals that just use a multitude of ip addresses and no user names on the long term abuse list? Can vandals that originly used only one ip address and started using usernames and or multiple Ip addresses be put on the long term abuse list?--Crocadog 23:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

You probably should post this question at Misplaced Pages talk:Long term abuse. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

February 11

Deleting Misplaced Pages Account

Greetings. I am curious to know if it is possible for me to delete my Misplaced Pages account. I don't feel that I need it anymore. JEMASCOLA 02:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

No. There are other things you can do if necessary. See m:Right to vanish -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone know what the deal with this is?

I was reading the sysop log ] and noticed on 4 Feb, a user (User:Gaillimh) was sysoped. The user has a total of 166 edits (registered last month) and I don't see any vote for adminship. Anyone know the deal with this? .V. 04:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Answer. There is something weirder in that log, see if you can find it ;-). Prodego 04:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You've gotten me curious now. What is the "something weirder" in that log? --`/aksha 07:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see! Thanks for showing me that. .V. 04:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, what? Anchoress 05:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

See here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

OK sorry, I'm dense. I already saw that and I don't see what's 'weirder about the log'... ?? :-) Sorry, you'll have to be a lot more specific with me. I'm usually pretty acute, but when I'm not, I'm very, very obtuse. Anchoress 00:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Suspected trademark infringement?

The site http://www.noblood.org uses the Misplaced Pages logo to link to its wiki (on MediaWiki). Is this allowed? Where should I bring it up at? 203.109.174.60 04:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

No, they should not do that. Someone just needs to email them, and tell them to stop. WT:MF is probably the most related place. Prodego 05:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

It's worth noticing that this sort of thing usually happens because people think wiki means Misplaced Pages ("check wiki for it"). They think Misplaced Pages's logo is a logo for any wiki. Just email then telling about the infringement and they'll probably comply. — Kieff | Talk 05:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I sent them an e-mail. Prodego 05:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

SORTORDER?

Hello,

There is a template to change the default sort order, something like

\{\{SORTORDER|x, y}}

so I do no have to do:

\]
\]

...

I want to use it for Paul Trouillebert

I can not find the exact syntax, Thanks for your help

--JuanPDP 06:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe the correct syntax for creating a default sort order is achieved through the use of Magic words. In this case, you would use {{DEFAULTSORT:x, y}}. Just put that above the categories and that should eliminate the need for individual sort keys. I hope you have a most wonderful day! Kyra_~(talk) 06:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --JuanPDP 07:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

how I see my land

Template vandalism

Someone vandalized the template "Expand-section". I reverted the template itself, but the vandal-text seems to stay displayed! Please see . I managed to get the template to redisplay properly in Precision tests of QED by deleting the template tag, saving the section, replacing the template tag, and saving the section again. HEL 16:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages uses your internet browser's cache to "remember" pages and save bandwidth. However, this can cause effects like lingering template vandalism. All you have to do is bypass your cache and the vandalism will be gone. PTO 16:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

This may have actually been an issue with job queue lag. Once you change a template, it can take a few minutes before all the articles using it are updated, depending on the job queue length. Your remove/save/replace/save cycle expedited this for the one article. Mike Dillon 17:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Image licensing

I'm creating an image for a Wikiproject that consists of several fair use images and a couple of arrows and text (see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Digimon Systems Update#Digimon (creature)). While I understand the fair use bit, which license do I use when I upload it to Misplaced Pages? x42bn6 Talk 17:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You don't, I believe. I'm pretty sure that our fair use policies don't allow for fair use in Wikiproject banners. -Amarkov moo! 17:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it'd be using the image for decorative purposes, a definite no-no. Xiner (talk, email) 18:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Nononono you misunderstand - it is an image for Digimon (creature) - nothing to do with a banner or anything. Which is why I never uploaded it to Misplaced Pages - I don't know what the license is, it's not finalised, and it takes up space. x42bn6 Talk 13:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

If you're using it in articles rather than on WikiProject pages or talk pages, then the normal fair use rules apply, I believe. Here are some pages that might be useful: Misplaced Pages:Fair use, Misplaced Pages:Fair use criteria, Misplaced Pages:Copyright FAQ, Misplaced Pages:Image use policy. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Criteria for removal from talk page

My initial instincts are to remove a rambling essay from a talk page (here it is being added ). But I find myself in conflict with myself, since I just reverted a talk page from blanking which includes no more relevant rambling ( ). I seem to find myself in a corner here, can someone else advise on the rights and wrongs of the two cases? (In the latter case I am trying to do some informal mediation, but probably not very well). Notinasnaid 18:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Further study shows that the first author is adding this essay in rather a lot of places. Notinasnaid 18:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

At most one instance of this off-topic ramblings should exist. Xiner (talk, email) 18:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Per Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines, talk pages are supposed to be used to discuss improving the article. Removing vandalism, rambling essays that discuss the subject rather than the article, wikichat, etc., is constructive. (I always cite WP:TPG in my edit summary so people can look for themselves.) For a lengthy essay that's at least peripherally about the article, it may be worth posting a note on the user's talk page about being welcome to repost a shorter version that talks specifically about how to improve the article; this might help prevent an edit war. But a user who is using talk pages to post the same thing, repeatedly, clearly is violating the rules, and while a note to the user is appropriate, it probably should just cite WP:TPG without inviting further postings. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Working groups

Fine, I have seen infoboxes(?) on pages, about groups with particular interests - now I want one I can see no way to get to one. In particular, American Black history I think. --Dumarest 18:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps this can help you find what you're looking for? I suspect you're looking for either a Template or WikiProject. Xiner (talk, email) 18:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Wiki project, but how do I find a link to such?? --Dumarest 19:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Usually the easiest way is to check on the article talk pages of related articles; they usually have project tags. But having done that, and tried googling, the closest I could find was Misplaced Pages:WikiProject African diaspora. That aims to cover African-Americans, although it's broader than that in scope. Hope this helps, Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

If all else fails, you can create a WikiProject: see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Guide. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Restoring Deleted Articles

Hi, an article I was working on has been deleted (I had no chance to contest it, as I was busy all day yesterday and today). I don't believe it should have been deleted as while the user in question may not know about the place, it is of significant local interest, and of great historical significance. I'm currently a university student, so progress on the article has been slow, which is why there was a lack of content on it.

How do i go about getting it reinstated?

Tastyniall 18:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

First step is to try talking with the admin who deleted it, who you can find from the deletion log. I assume you mean this deletion, so in this case the deleting admin was User:pgk. If this doesn't work, please see Misplaced Pages:Undeletion policy. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, I'll try that out. Thanks! :) Tastyniall 18:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way, you might want to look at Deletion review if the article was deleted by Article for deletion or if you can't convince the deleter to restore the page. Another avenue is asking to have the text of the deleted article posted to your user space and you work on it there until it's finished. Once it is done, just post it where you did before. BuickCenturyDriver 01:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Might I suggest you keep a copy on your userpage to work on until it is 'done' enough to avoid being deleted. Most Misplaced Pages articles are a work in progress, but to avoid being deleted, an article should clearly state why it significant as early as possible. That said, I have serious doubts as to how a church founded in the end of 2006 can have historic significance. - Mgm| 09:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, the church (as an on paper organisation) was formed in 2006, however, one of the churches (South Dalziel) that was part of the union is the oldest (dating back to the late 1700s) in the town proper. South Dalziel itself was formed from the oldest church in the area (St Patricks, dating back to the 1200s). The church buildings of the former churches remain part of the new church, and as such this is why i felt it merited inclusion. The font in use at the church was retrieved from the original church (St Patricks) too. Would there be any way of getting the article restored to my talk page so i can work on it? cheers, Tastyniall 11:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Also be aware that while Misplaced Pages has strict guidelines for article suitability, other wikis have different requirements. Tastyniall may be able to find another public wiki which will welcome the article, even in a preliminary state. Other users on that wiki might help improve the article, perhaps into something suitable for Misplaced Pages. I suggested adding this advice to WP:EQ in Misplaced Pages talk:Etiquette#Suggesting alternative wikis?, along with starting a "Wiki outplacement service" for material that Misplaced Pages rejects; I invite interested readers to comment there. --Teratornis 18:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Against the rules or not?

Hi, I have a[REDACTED] account and I've found something off.

When I was searching BLEACH (the manga not the chemical) I found the chinese/japanese character for Hollow: 虚ろ.

However, by copying and pasting the Character,[REDACTED] allows me to use the character as my signature.

I was wondering wheter it was "against" the rules to use a non-latin character as a signature.

I can't find anything that contradicts what I've done, and I've seen some people do the same

(some on this page) and they haven't gotten in trouble.

So...

• 1) Is using a non-latin character as a signature against the rules?

• 2) Using the same character to create an account (it says NOT to use it without doing something) also against the rules?

• 3) Is using another outside program like Microsoft Word to "tweek" and transfer a "modified non-Latin character" to Misplaced Pages is against the rules.

Thanks for your time and co-operation.

Sincerely,

虚ろ 19:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ignoring the rules for a moment, I don't like signatures that do not show the username, because if I decide to contact that user later, I'll need to dig through my history to find the person. Xiner (talk, email) 19:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it seems you haven't answered my questions. 虚ろ 19:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

To answer your question 1. According to WP:SIGNATURE#Language_and_alphabet you must also include latin characters in your signature. 2. The system shouldn't allow you to create an account with non-lating characters. 3. I don't believe such a rule excists but thats not to say that I couldn't be wrong.Cheers — WilsBadKarma 20:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

We will most likely need to deal with non-latin sigs in the future, due to the one-login proposal across all language WPs. --Wooty Woot? contribs 20:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

#2 is wrong; MediaWiki will allow you to create non-Latin usernames. It will just not allow you to create usernames with a mix of several character sets (e.g., it will not allow users to mix Latin and Cyrillic).

As for your original questions; see the ongoing discussions at Misplaced Pages:Username. I don't understand what your third question is asking... Titoxd 20:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright

Fine, I am sure there is a page for image questions specifically but. I am and have been for some time working on the trencher article. I have an image of a trencher. I found it on the web and they replied that they have no control or such over it, it was a picture taken during a school trip by students at the school. I contacted the school, and they agree, probably so, but they have no specific information, probably take by an unknown student on a trip to the museum, and no copyright information and no nothing. Can this be put up under a 'no copyright' image tag or such?? --Dumarest 19:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we have to say it is unknown copyright. It cannot be no copyright, just because the copyright holder is unknown. Therefore, I don't think it can be used, sadly. Notinasnaid 20:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested Moves

Is it allowed for me to move a page, even though I am not admin, that has been through the requested moves process? The pages that I would be moving, would be ones with none, or very little opposition. Is this allowed?
Also, if I am allowed to move a page, do I delete it from the Requested Moves page, strike through it, or do nothing? Thanks, Asics talk 19:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes it is allowed but before you do anything you should read Help:Moving a page to get a better understanding of what happens when you move a page. Cheers — WilsBadKarma 19:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I need a holiday

I created a disambiguation page for Roman Holiday, so I had to move the film to Roman Holiday (1953 film). I see there are a lot of links to it. Is there an easy way to fix them? Do I need to spend the next bazillion years on them or can I leave it as is? Clarityfiend 20:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I've updated Template:Audrey Hepburn, which should cover a couple dozen links. The rest need to be updated manually, to check if they really are links to the movie. This can be expedited with a tool like popups. I'll start from the end of the list and do some of them, since I see you've started at the beginning. Mike Dillon 21:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hold on! I'm not sure Roman Holiday should be a disambiguation page. IMO it should be the film, and you can place a disambig template on the top of that page for Roman Holiday (disambiguation). According to WP:MOS, pages should be named for the convenience of readers, and I daresay most people are looking for the film when they type that. In general, though, you don't have to worry so much about the links. Xiner (talk, email) 22:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The links have been converted. If the film ends up being moved back to Roman Holiday, the only one that really needs to be changed back is in Template:Audrey Hepburn. The rest of the changed links can go through the redirect. Mike Dillon 22:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. If the page move is considered appropriate, updating the links is important, for the convenience of readers clicking on links (to avoid their hitting a disambiguation page).

For what it's worth, there were less than ten links to Roman Holiday that didn't refer to the film. About 20 or so links to the film were through Template:Audrey Hepburn. The other 30+ links were direct links to the film, and it doesn't matter whether they go through a redirect if the page is moved. I didn't touch any links outside the main namespace (except the Hepburn template). Mike Dillon 22:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

If the page move is appropriate, then it's better to move it and not fix the links, then to not move it at all. A note on the talk page or on here could get you the help you need. In any case, I can't move the film page back to the original position because it's already occupied and I'm not an admin, so I can't delete it. Xiner (talk, email) 22:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

That's true. I just meant that it's better to move it and fix the links than to leave them. It isn't strictly necessary because the disambiguation page should allow someone to move the links later. Mike Dillon 22:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I've created a bit of a mess, haven't I? OK, after rereading the guidelines, I have to agree with Xiner: the film is the primary topic. What I could do is move Roman Holiday to Roman Holiday (disambiguation) and move the original article back. How does that sound? Clarityfiend 22:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Dillon, sorry I forgot to thank you for helping out here. Clarityfiend, don't worry, we've all been there. I think what we have to do now is to write to WP:RM and ask for help there, because Roman Holiday as a page already exists, so we can't move the film page back without an admin's help. Xiner (talk, email) 00:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I made the request at WP:RM#Uncontroversial proposals. Mike Dillon 01:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The move was completed by GTBacchus (thanks GT). Mike Dillon 01:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

anna nicole smith fix it.

your Anna Nicole Smith is wrong. Her original name is Not Vickie Lynn Marshall, it is Vickie Lynn Hogan!! And she was the playboy bunny of 1993, not 1992, jesus christ, and it's protected so I can't fix it. How can I? If I can't please do yourself. then end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluetigress (talk • contribs)

First, the name in the lead paragraph is not meant to be her birth name, it was her legal name at the time of her death. Her correct birth name is mentioned in the first sentence of the "Early life" section. Second, her first pictorial was in March 1992. She was Playmate of the Year in 1993, which the article correctly notes. Not sure what you think the problem is, since she was a "bunny" in both 1992 and 1993. Mike Dillon 22:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You can post a comment on the talk page of an article even if the article is protected against editing (in extremely, extremely rare cases, the talk page may be protected as well). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Image Border Extends Across Screen

On my userpage, the picture near the bottom has a problem with the border. The border extends across the width of the screen and I don't know why. Could someone with knowledge of controlling images in Misplaced Pages, mosey on over and fix it for me? Thanks. --Seans Potato Business 23:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the problem, although the page hasn't been edited (per its history) since January 31st. I note that the top of the page says Near the bottom of my userpage is a sea/image monster with a crazy border that threatens to destroy us all. If you can tame it and save the world from its evil clutches, I'll build a loaf of bread in your likeness (and eat it). Thanks!

It's possible the problem has gone away because a page that you're transcluding (there are several) that was causing the problem has changed; it's possible that it's a brower thing (can't imagine why, but I'm viewing with firefox); and it's possible (given the heading to the page) that this is some sort of obscure game and there is no problem; not sure. In any case, since you got the elements of the user page from User:ClockworkSoul, you really might want to ask him/her. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not a bizzare game!! The problem appears both in IE and Opera (I don't have firefox installed) and it appears at work and at home. I don't think it's to do with cache. The problem has been there a long time, and the SOS at the top was supposed to tempt someone to help but I got fed up of waiting an asked here. A screenshot of the issue is here: http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5117/borderxv7.jpg - I'm referring to the white border that extends well beyond the image, if not exactly to both edges of the screen. --Seans Potato Business 04:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I think my account was robbed

Hello

I just found my problem a week ago, I got into spanish version of Misplaced Pages, for writing for a word "culturismo", Ultimately i had got with problems with a membor called "Discusion" cause he get off my links, and afeter that i will get in again. A week ago, like I just say, i try to get into my account "NeptunoII" and it was imopssible for me, the first time i hit on bottom "e-mail my password, at the first i received but again the problema was on the next day, and it was impossible that time. Now my account has other than me, and I want to have it again. Link for this page is http://es.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Culturismo&action=history . I want to say that i can demostrate my identidy by email, buy phone or how you need. I think wrong IP is 84.122.163.200

Thanks for all.

88.23.43.178 23:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

We have no influence on the spanish wikipedia. You will have to contact someone there. Viridae 23:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Vete a es:Misplaced Pages:Café/Portal/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual. —Dgies 23:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

February 12

Bookmarks/viewing history?

Is there anyway to create a MyWikipedia page so that a user can collect various wiki's so that we don't have to continually look things up. I would like to have a user feature where I could have a folder with my wiki viewing history that can be edited and organized by topics for easy reference in the future. 00:39, 12 February 2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.32.111 (talk • contribs)

Dan Motola <removed e-mail>

That sounds like something that would have to be custom built into the wiki. Given wikipedia's strain on keeping up demand just for viewing and editing pages, let alone keeping track of every user's, every page request, ever, I doubt that feature (if it exists) will ever be on Misplaced Pages's MediaWiki installation. As an alternative, I suggest making your own script, or just using the history feature in your web browser. It won't be quite as elegant as you hoped, but most web browsers have a search history feature that make easy to find past viewed pages. —Mitaphane _?|! 05:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I too would like the ability to search among the subset of Misplaced Pages pages I have viewed. I've read enough Misplaced Pages pages by now to have at least one instance per day when some new issue comes up and I want to find some Misplaced Pages page I previously viewed which is relevant to the issue. However, a better place to handle this would be in the user's client. I did a little research to see if anyone else had already thought of this, and what do you know, the Google desktop article says: The program allows full text search of a user's e-mail, computer files, music, photos, chat, and Web pages viewed. Maybe that would do the job. Of course, building a coherent table of contents to all the Misplaced Pages pages one has viewed is a much more difficult problem, probably requiring dedicated human intelligence at the moment. See the comments on my talk page: User talk:Teratornis#Index to Misplaced Pages from John Broughton . --Teratornis 19:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Where do I go to get a name change?

Simple question, can't find a link to it. Thanks :). Chris M. 00:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Go to WP:CHU and follow the directions there. Cheers, PTO 00:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks, Cheers! Chris M. 01:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

how do I edit the title of an entry I wrote

Hello,

I can't seem to figure out how to edit the title of an entry I wrote. It only lets me edit the content.

ThanksSpongebarb27 01:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You need to click on the "move" tab and "move" the article to a new name. To do this, your account must be at least 4 days old. --`/aksha 01:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Renaming is done with the "move" tab. If your account is too new, you won't be able to do the move yourself. That being said, if you're referring to Rhingdowtaonow …(click, click), it will most likely be deleted as nonsense or unencyclopedic. In fact, it was marked as I was writing this comment. Mike Dillon 01:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Sandra Brown

Dear Misplaced Pages

I have recently published an article on your web-site about my friend, Sandra Brown, the Scottish campaigner for child protection and related issues. Sandra Brown was recently given the distinction "OBE" - Officer of the Order of the British Empire - for services to child protection.

However, there is another Sandra Brown - an American novelist - who is not related to my friend in any way.

I have entitled my page "Sandra Brown, OBE". However, I am concerned that my friend may not be found if people merely search under "Sandra Brown".

Accordingly, I shall be very grateful if you will please set up a disambiguation page, so that the two Sandra Browns may easily be found - and easily distinguished.

Thank you, in advance, for your helpfulness!

Avril Rennie

I've added the disambiguation links for you. I've also moved her to Sandra Brown (campaigner); I'm not sure what the manual of style says on OBE's and other official titles, but I'd assume that unless it's what the person is generally known as (e.g. Diana, Princess of Wales) it's not used (e.g John Lennon is not John Lennon, MBE). —Mitaphane _?|! 05:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Such titles are not to be used throughout the subject's article, or in the name of the page, in general. Please see WP:MOS. Xiner (talk, email) 05:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

helpme

I'm doing a research article for a class in college... And I used one of your pages it was VERY helpful, but I need to do a reference for my article. In MLA format and I didn't see an Author's name, author's last name, year of publication, or a Publisher.

PLEASE HELP

my email is: (email removed to protect from spammers)

THANX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~Jennifer~

First off, check with your college professor that Misplaced Pages citations are recognized. Some professors dislike Misplaced Pages citations and will give you dismal grades for papers that contain them. Trust me; I learned from experience. Misplaced Pages doesn't have those things, due to its nature. Just click the "cite this article" button on the side bar and a nifty tool will give you a citation. Cheers, PTO 03:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Encyclopedias in general are frowned upon. You should use Misplaced Pages for its citations (someone else said that recently). If that doesn't discourage you from doing it, please read Misplaced Pages:Citing Misplaced Pages. Xiner (talk, email) 05:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Editing Userpage

How do I add a border and a background color to my userpage? I tried working with it myself but it ended up hopelessly mangled and quite ugly. Desirably, I was hoping for a red border and pink background. Thank you for your time. — MichaelLinnear 05:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Put this at the top of your user page:

<div name="foo" class="bar" <includeonly>id="foobar"</includeonly> style="margin:10 5%; padding:.5em; background:{{{bgcolor|#FDD}}}; border:5px solid #F00; text-align:left; font-size:95%;">

Put this at the bottom:

</div><noinclude>

In case you don't like the border width, "border=5px" controls the width of the border. Change the number to make it wider or narrower. Dave6 07:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• What's with all the includeonly and noinclude tags? All they asked for was a div box. The following would work just as well and is a lot more understandable for a newbie coder.

<div style="margin:10 5%; padding:.5em; background:#FDD; border:5px solid #F00; text-align:left; font-size:95%;">

Fine Chemicals

I am pepared to write an article on Fine Chemicals. As the "How to edit a page" instructions are complicated (14 pages!) I would like to discuss the process with somebody who has written an article, preferably in the Basel / Switzerland area. Thanks for indicating me a name. --Peter Pollak 09:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You seem to have found the full instructions, rather than the Introduction. If you haven't already, I suggest that you read the Introduction and Tutorial, which should teach you how to edit Misplaced Pages in a more gradual manner than the instructions you found; if you want to write a new article, Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Help:Starting a new page may also be worthwhile reading. If you want to talk to someone who has started a new article, and you have access to Internet Relay Chat, you may want to join the channel irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-en-bootcamp; otherwise, you could try communicating with a user on their User Talk page, if you know of a user you think would help you. --ais523 09:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I fixed the link for you --WikiSlasher 09:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

To find Wikipedians in Basel, you can search the Category namespace for "Basel". Also check the categories beginning with "Wikipedians in" for regions near you or containing your location: . There is a Category:Wikipedians in Switzerland. You might categorize your user page there by adding: ] to the bottom. You could leave some greetings on the user talk pages of some of your neighbors asking if they could assist you. Also search the Misplaced Pages namespace for "Switzerland": , which turns up a Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Switzerland. You could join the activity there. --Teratornis 08:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Log On

I have two user names TrishBunkey and Webmutt. I try to have the passwords emailed to me and I get a successfully sent message from Wiki, but the email never shows up. It's not in my spam either. I do have access to the correct email and have had passwords emailed to me before, as I am forgetful and addle brained. =( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.0.95 (talk • contribs)

Might be time to make a new account. If the email isn't reaching you then that means the email addresses either wasn't entered correctly or wasn't ever confirmed. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 12:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

They have been confirmed. I have lost the passwords before and had them emailed to me before. It was entered correctly. I need technical support for wikipedia's programmers to find out why the emails aren't being sent. If there is a problem with the auto send program or if I was hacked. I do not want a new account. I have two. I want to know why the emails don't go through. Its frustrating. I have checked my spam and blocked addresses and nothing is wrong.

Clearing the search box

75.40.34.252 13:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)how do you delete search items from the search box

This is nothing to do with Misplaced Pages; however, some browsers will have this as a feature. I think it's called 'AutoComplete' in Internet Explorer, so there might be some way to clear it in the menus somewhere (I don't have access to the relevant menus on this computer, though, so I can't check). --ais523 15:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you can delete individual items by highlighting them with the cursor and pressing the Delete key, or alternatively:

• In Internet Explorer, click Tools -> Internet Options..., click the Content tab, click AutoComplete and there are options there.
• In Firefox, to disable the feature go to Tools -> Options..., in the Privacy section, click the Saved Forms tab and uncheck "Save information I enter in forms and the Search Bar" and click OK and then click Tools -> Clear Private Data... and make sure Saved Form Information has a tick and then click Clear Private Data Now. It's up to you to determine what other data you want to clear. I think that's everything I can tell you, but it's more a question for the Reference desk. --WikiSlasher 12:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Sandra Brown (campaigner)

Dear Misplaced Pages

Thank you for your help with the above material, and for the disambiguation.

I agree that the article needs more work, and I intend to put more work into it myself, once I have assembled more detail.

However, I do not agree with you that the article reads like an advertisement. I know Sandra Brown personally, and I count her as a friend. But I have written the article in a very balanced manner, without overstatement or inaccuracy of any kind.

I shall obtain more data for you, so that the element of "substantiation" you refer to can be provided. Presumably, the format for substantiating is covered in your "help" category.

Sandra Brown is now listed on the BBC's "Woman's Hour" web-site in their category "Leading Women". So I believe she merits an entry in Misplaced Pages.

Trusting this is satisfactory to you. Many thanks!

Avril

Most of all, the article needs sources, which should help to solve the problem. Even if you're not sure how to format them (and you can learn about citing sources at WP:CITE), their presence is the most important thing here, so the article can be verifiable. If you disagree with the {{advert}} tag, you could comment on the article's discussion page (Talk:Sandra Brown (campaigner)), or contact the user who placed it (in this case, it was ImmortalGoddezz, so you would edit User talk:ImmortalGoddezz to contact that user). As for the article itself, it's mostly a case of a style problem (it reads more like a magazine article than an encyclopedia entry at the moment), rather than the sort of thing that would get deleted as spam. The tag is likely to attract the attention of editors capable of fixing the style problems (but the sourcing is a much bigger issue, in a biography of a living person, and sources are often hard to find, so we'd appreciate it if you helped fix that problem). Hope that helps! --ais523 15:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Font customization

How do I change the font of the website? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeppelinquadroon (talk • contribs)

• Changing the font or font size in articles is discouraged - see Wp:style#Formatting issues for more information. There are a variety of ways to emphasize text in articles, or to play with fonts on user pages. Can you explain a little bit more about what you have in mind? Thanks, TheronJ 16:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

If you want to change the font or its size to your own view, you can edit Special:Mypage/monobook.css to add rules that only take effect while you (specifically) are logged in. An example of a simple rule might be

body {font:Verdana}

Hope that helps! --ais523 16:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You can also change the size of text via your browser. For example, for FireFox, under the "View" menu, there is a "text size" option. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Finding information re professional wrestler

I have attempted to find out who portrayed the Masked Marvel charachter in professional wrestling.I remember the charachter from the early 1960's. A rumor I have heard was that one of the wrestlerswho portrayed him was a patient at Tewksbury State Hospital At one point..I am curious as to who portrayed the charachter.Can you help? 24.147.184.132 16:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Trebor 16:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Guidelines

Sir, I have no knowledge about wikipedia. I believe it will help me like encyclopedia for which I have choosen this site.

Thanking you, Yours sincrely, Probhat Kumar Singh

Do you have a question? If you want to find out more about Misplaced Pages, see Misplaced Pages (an encyclopedia article on the subject of Misplaced Pages) and Misplaced Pages:About (Misplaced Pages's 'about Misplaced Pages' page, but not an article). --ais523 17:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:My name

Darkest Hour Δ How do I get a black background yet keep the orange underscore? Because I like the color combo yet it kindof hard to see it on a white background, also I would like to see all of the advalible font faces. Thanks all, --Darkest Hour Δ 17:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Changing the background could be done line this: --Darkest Hour Δ (and the span and font can't be combined if you want to keep the underscore; see the edit screen for the code); however, this is now probably too long to be an acceptable signature, per WP:SIG. As for which fonts are available, Misplaced Pages doesn't have its own set of fonts for display, it uses the fonts available on the viewer's computer, so you'll have to judge for yourself which fonts are worth using. Removing some of the links from your signature would help to shorten it, and there are some other coding tricks that might work (such as using shorter names for the colours), but I don't think it'll be anywhere near limits that people wouldn't complain about unless you change the design. With just a userpage link, you could have Darkest Hour, for instance. --ais523 17:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Franse Rewolusie

--Anétjie 19:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Soek asb inligting oor die Franse Rewolusie. Veral die redes hoekom die rewolusie noodsaaklik was.

Eh? French Revolution --Darkest Hour 21:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• I think they meant af:Franse Rewolusie —Dgies 21:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Vote solicitation

In AFDs there is a clear temptation to call on other editors to come and vote to keep an article. I think I saw a policy against this somewhere, but cannot find it. Is there a policy related to this, where is it, and how far can one go in publicizing an AFD? With many deletions getting decided by six or fewer editors the effect of vote solicitation is huge (even though it is not supposed to be a vote.) As an example of what I am asking about, please see [[Misplaced Pages:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Newsletter/Issues/Issue1 where it says "However, dangerous precedents could be set here that could result in drastic catastrophe for the U.S. Roads articles. Your voice is needed to ensure that our highway articles are not deleted and can be maintained for the benefit of all. Sources: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Route 999, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/California State Route 37, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Minnesota State Highway 127, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/County Route 66 (Dutchess County, New York)

See also where this same newsletter for a time said 'hopefully you will all vote “keep”' Is this permissible, and where do we draw the line? Thanks. Inkpaduta 20:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

See WP:CANVASS. Corvus cornix 21:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, your efforts were to attempt to get the 5700+ road articles deleted. The diff provided was well before distribution, and we all decided that that revision was too pushy. If you really have a problem with this, take it to WP:DRV but not here. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Note that the majority of comments were made before that, based on a neutral notification at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads#Two deletion debates. --NE2 00:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

yeah, this is venue shopping. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The above comments by Rschen7754 accuse me of "venue shopping" when I asked here for the obscure name which Misplaced Pages uses to list the policy against vote stacking, which I could not find otherwise. I'm not sure what venue I was supposed to ask for the information. He also accuses me of attempting to delete 5700 articles about roads, when I made an AFD nomination for one 2.4 mile long state road, a stub article found while looking at random articles. Please assume good faith, and do not make accusations, and do not tell me I am not allowed to ask for information at the Help desk. Rschen7754, an admin, and apparently a creater of the project to make articles about every road, has threatened on the discussion page for Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads to block anyone who nominates a bunch of road articles if, in his judgement, they did it to make a point. Looking at the WP:CANVASS page, I ask now if the notice on the project page and the newslatter urging all the people who had it posted by a bot to their discussion pages to go and save the 5400 or 5700 road articles is consistent with the policy regarding votestacking, canvassing and campaigning? If this is not the venue or forum to raise this question, what would be the correct one. Apparently it is ok to have a noticeboard, but questionable to tell people how they should vote on the issue. Please advise. Inkpaduta 18:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You did ask for a policy name, but you also did ask for an opinion as well. If you were only looking for a policy, you could have only put the first three sentences of your initial inquiry. Instead, you looked for an opinion, when one was given to you by a few people, including a well-known administator. You did not like this opinion, and instead went to seek other advice, changing venues until you got what you wanted. That is called venue shopping. Note that the initial response that you got was a link to a policy page, indicating that this is not the place to get an opinion on such a matter. Instead, that is what the WP:DR is for.

Your comments at the time implied that you were willing to delete the 5800 road articles and did not believe that they should be on Misplaced Pages. Your comments afterward implied that that had been your belief (see Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for deletion/Minnesota State Highway 127). Furthermore, my "threats" for blocking were if one did nominate for deletion all 5800 road articles, which would definitely be disruptive to Misplaced Pages. And this would have been a WP:POINT not specifically a point. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you the "well-known administrator?" I asked on your talk page, and you did not answer the question about whether there had been vote solicitation. You did not provide any link to the policy WP:CANVASS. To how many editors did you post the apparently newly created newsletter which directed then recipients to go to the 3 deletion debates (I had nominated exactly one) and "let their voices be heard?" Do you plan to do the same in the future, and do you see that as consistent with WP:CANVASS? You only said that all highways and county roads were notable, and that any discussion shoud be on the talk page of your U.S. roads project, and that AFDs should not be filed for roads. Given the ad hominem and accusatory postings here, given that you falsely claim I advocated deleting all articles about roads, and the fact that you popped up here unsolicited to make accusations of "venue shopping" (wikistalking my postings, or do you read all postings on this help page?) I could not expect a very fair or civil hearing on your project's talk page WT:USRD. Again, the question is vote solicitation rules, not whether roads are notable (many clearly are). If there is an appropriate forum for discussing the acceptable limits of vote solicitation, tell me what it is so I can take my question or issue about the acceptable limits of vote solicitation there. Should this be moved to the talk page of WP:CANVASS? Is an acceptable form of solicitng votes FOR deletion, if it is acceptable to thus solicit votes for keeping?? I do not see this as a matter for arbitration or other dispute resolution, since it is not something like a revert war. Thanks. Inkpaduta 19:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No, the "well-known administrator" is Lar.  V60 23:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Why did you bring this here in the first place? Do you believe that the consensus to keep was flawed? Then you go to WP:DRV (as I have said before), not here. As for your other questions, if you think this was votestacking, then take it to the page I just gave. Otherwise, I don't see what the problem is. I am aware of what ad hominem is, and I have made none of those remarks. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

What forum? Are you stating that the only place where I may discuss whether it is spamming or votestacking to sent out a newsletter created as an "urgent" response to 3 independent AFDs and sent via a bot to approximately 200 editors urging them to keep the articles, is on the talk page of the project created by the editor who sent out the newsletter? Who proceeded to remove a AfdAnons}} template on one of the AFDs, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Route 999 per diff with the comment "(i'm being bold and removing Template:Afdanon: note, it's for external "spamming." this is internal, and it is not votestacking, it is ensuring all know about the deletions.)" This newslatter as sent out, said "However, dangerous precedents could be set here that could result in drastic catastrophe for the U.S. Roads articles. Your voice is needed to ensure that our highway articles are not deleted and can be maintained for the benefit of all." This is clearly advising the 200 editors to say "Keep" rather than merely informing them that the AFD exists. There is no indication that the creaters of the newsletter see anything wrong with it. Which is why I am still asking whether this or some other venue (other than the U.S. Roads talk page0 is the proper place to discuss that question. I have nothing against articles about roads which are notable, which most probably are, but I want to see policies followed in not trying to solicit keep votes in AFDs in the future. Unless sending out notices to 200 editors telling them how to vote is in compliance with WP:CANVASS. Thanks Inkpaduta 00:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:DRV... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm obviously not all that worried about the one AFD, since it was there before I randomly found it and it is there after the AFD, but I am concerned about the tactic of posting a newsletter, Keep-O-Gram or other communication to 200 editors urging them to keep (or delete) an article, since this will typically bring in peo0ple who would not otherwise look at all the AFDs on a given day. I have since, in random patrol of articles, run across another stub article without much content, and wonder if the same vote solicitation would be used for keeping it (I posted a question about it on his user page looking for sources to improve it. If Rschen7754 thinks that sending out a communication urging keep an article to 200 or so editors is a fine tactic to use in the future, then this discussion needs to continue, but other wise I am happy, if there is agreement that it is ok to put a notice on the project page for roads that there are certain ongoing AFDs and editor's input is welcome, without telling them the dire consequences of their failure to rush there and say KEEP for each and every road, no matter how short or ill referenced, on sort of a domino theory that next the philistines will be deleting the interstates, and without sending out emergency newsletters detailing the AFDs. Thanks.01:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Translation

How do I translate a story into another language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Einstein348 (talk • contribs)

First off, do you speak the language that you want to translate the article into? What is the language and the article? Oh and please remember to sign your posts by typing ~~~~ and the end of you comments. Cheers — WilsBadKarma 21:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

If you're talking about translating a Misplaced Pages article from one language (project) to another, you might look at Misplaced Pages:Translation. If you're talking about translation in general, not specifically related to Misplaced Pages, please ask at the reference desk. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Electronically challenged

I've tried repeatedly to insert a photo (Jean's last photo, copyrighted by Glamour Photos and transfered to me in 2000) from the commons page to my wiki page, but I'm electroncially and time challenged. Would someone please make the transfer for me? Also, I would like to be linked to the photojournalist section as well as the mystery novelists. I'm currently in the western novelists' group.

Thank you for your help! I'll continue to edit and contribute to as many pages as time allows.

Jean Henry-Mead

All that needs to be done to use a commons image on your user page is inserting ] into the wikicode. If you post the hyperlink of the wikicommons photo, I will gladly add it onto your user page. —Mitaphane _?|! 01:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Nasty Editors...

My group is currently having an issue with some rather offensive Editors who have decided our Wiki should be deleted.

Between the quasi threats to "speedy spam delete", taunts about the size of the group and the offensive tone and words we are all pretty much fed up with the editors, and would like to request a more neutral person review the situation.

I thought Wiki was supposed to be more collaborative and helpful to each other than offensive and derisive.

How can I go about getting help with this borderline-harassment? Thanks in advance Xeyda 22:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a common complaint. By wanting to delete the article, we're not telling you that it isn't a good thing. We're telling you that it doesn't meet our requirements for acceptance, because it doesn't have enough active members. See WP:NOTABILITY. Some of the comments were rude, but you're best off just remaining the better person and keeping your cool. DoomsDay349 22:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. It isn't that I feel the quality of the page is being called in to account, it is the commentary we are receiving from the editors, and the so-called justification given for deletion. We do have a fairly active playerbase, but we maintain a private Wiki for such interactions, instead of filling up the global Wiki. There are numerous other wikipages with, in my opinion, ridiculous and "Breathtakingly non-notable" commentary, but it remains, untouched in Misplaced Pages; should every member go around attempting to delete everything they disagree with or simply dislike? I am more frustrated and angry at the treatment from the editors than the fact someone recommended the page be deleted. Thanks again for responding. Xeyda 23:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not seeing anything that gets close to "borderline-harassment" on the talk page or the AfD discussion (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Eshraval) (a handful of the comments are rude, but participants in AfD tend towards cynicism sometimes). Misplaced Pages has limits on what can be listed here, otherwise, every Tom, Dick, and Harry would put in the online game they play, message board they post on, group they belong to, bar they drink at, church they go to, preschool they send their kids to, their first love, etc. A line had to be drawn, and that line is drawn at WP:NOTABILITY. An AfD discussion presents a forum to debate which side of that line a particular subject falls on. You might also take a peek at What Misplaced Pages is not.

Incindentally, I noticed some of the comments from your players on the AfD discussion indicate that there are other similar websites that have Misplaced Pages articles that may also fail the notability test. It's possible these articles may need to be reviewed or deleted, too. It's just that someone came across your article first.

(FWIW, it looks like an interesting game) Mishatx *разговор* 23:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I want to say, the simulator might not be notable for Misplaced Pages, but it looks incredibly amazing. I've already sent in an application to start playing; I can't wait to sink my teeth into this! (And it's free; that's a plus). DoomsDay349 00:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't help but smile at the sheer irony of your application, DoomsDay349. Would you have even known about the game were it not for the Misplaced Pages article? Notability indeed. Eshraval Creator

Nope. Irony at its finest, I suppose. The forces of the universe work in mysterious ways. DoomsDay349 02:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

So, judging by the Misplaced Pages's own standard, you are not a 'notable' applicant because you have no external references aside from this website AND you have applied to a 'Breathtakingly non-notable' site. Doesn't look good. You may have to be nominated for deletion from our database :) Eshraval Creator

:( I hope the smiley means sarcasm...the game looks incredibly sweet. DoomsDay349 02:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the smiley means sarcasm. Nothing will be held against you just because you happen to be affiliated with Misplaced Pages and they have judged us 'Breathtakingly non-notable'. And for the record, some of your editors are a bit too curt for their own good, and telling us to remain above the fray is not the greatest PR you could provide ;) Eshraval Creator

Well, it's what I try to do. By the way, since you have a registered account, you might consider logging in. I have left you a message, though it might seem a bit redundant after this conversation. And to let you know, I'm gonna drive myself insane this week waiting for an admin message. DoomsDay349 02:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Delete

For Template:Delete, how do you give a reason for deletion?

• After the word "delete", put a pipe | and then type the reason, then put the close marks }} in. Mr.Z-mantalk 23:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• The is also this page Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion. It's has deletion templates which are very useful.--John Lake 02:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Saving unfinished new articles to continue working on later

I am preparing my first article. Is there a way of saving an article I'm working on so that I don't have to do everything in one session? My article will have quite a few citatations and references. If there is a way of saving it, how can I access it again to complete the article so that I may submit it?
Thank you.
IreneWyo 23:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The usual way is to put it in a subpage of your userpage, e.g. User:IreneWyo/Foo. Then, once you've got it to your liking, copy-paste the code from there into wherever you want to put it. Veinor 23:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! (I wanted to indent my "thank you," but I couldn't figure out how to indent.) IreneWyo 19:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I indented it for you. Help:Talk page explains how to format discussions on pages like this one. --Teratornis 21:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, Teratornis! It's great to have people so willing to assist us newcomers! IreneWyo 06:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Personal information

I noticed at a talk page, there's a comment from someone identifying herself as a 12-year-old girl and providing her phone number. What is the policy on this? It's a little unclear to me; it shouldn't be left because the entire comment is irrelevant to Misplaced Pages, but should an admin remove it from the edit history? And if so, how do I request that? ShadowHalo 23:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

See also Misplaced Pages:Protecting children's privacy, a proposed quideline. I would ask a random admin to remove it. Garion96 (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Posting on WP:AN/I would be faster than asking a random admin; you can actually remove the info yourself (and leave a very polite, kind, explanatory note on the person's talkpage), and notify AN/I to have it removed from the history. Anchoress 00:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Probably faster, but it's so public. Garion96 (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

February 13

Adding an Image

I'm trying to add an image to a biography page for the table on the right (the one that is in most bio pages) but the image tag isn't working, it's just showing the url of the image. KellanFabjance 00:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Which page are you working on? It'll be easier to diagnose if we can have a look at your edits. SubSeven 01:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Overwriting images

An image that I was using on my userpage - ] - changed suddenly, and the explanation was that someone loaded a new image on top of it using the same title. The pics are of totally different things: the old one is a husky dog, the new one is a character in an anime series. When I tried to revert to the previous version, the result was not the old image, but the new image with different dimensions. Also, whereas the image was previously on Commons, it seems now not to be, but to have been moved to en:Wiki. Two questions, then: a) is it OK to overwrite an existing image like this? and b) what did I do wrong when trying to revert to the previous image? HeartofaDog 01:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It looks like an image of a dog to me. Try a hard refresh (usually ctrl-r, I think). And no, this overwrite should not have happened. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

(The present image on my page IS the image of a dog - I dislike anime with a deep loathing and changed it before I did anything else). Thanks for the tip about Ctrl-R - I'll remember it future use, but problem solved for now - see below. HeartofaDog 15:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• That's why people should upload images with more specific filenames. Find out who uploaded both images and ask them to rename them (for example so they include the username of the uploader). BTW, what anime character is called Husky? - Mgm| 10:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

(You want to know about Husky the effeminate watersprite with attitude? see +Anima for a detailed exposition). Thanks for the advice - problem solved for now - see below. But please tell me: can I as an ordinary editor rename an image myself like I can an article? HeartofaDog 15:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict} Someone has kindly sorted out the image and left a note for the overwriting uploader, so I'm off the hook. Thanks for the advice. HeartofaDog 15:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't overwritten, but what happened should have happened - if you link to a Commons image called Image:Husky.jpg, you will see that image, unless an image of the same name exists on the local Misplaced Pages (in this case, en.wikipedia). So when an image also called Husky.jpg was uploaded to en:Wiki, it takes priority over an image of the same name held on Commons. If the image is free, and being used on an article, then you can upload it to Misplaced Pages under a more specific name (such as HuskyDog.jpg) yourself. Proto::► 14:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Right - I can see how that would work, although doesn't that slightly undercut Commons, which surely is the preferred option? Anyway, thanks for the clear explanation. HeartofaDog 15:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

formatting question

probably pretty easy question, and I did briefly look over the faq and didnt see anything. I've also looked at several other pages on cars and couldnt see that i was doing anything different.

Basicly on the engines data it has a space after the first and before the last. what gives?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Chevrolet_Chevelle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.146.250 (talk • contribs)

It seems to have been caused by the linebreaks between each item in the list of engine types (next to "|engine"). I've removed the linebreaks so it looks like the format shown at Template_talk:Infobox_Automobile_generation. Ugly, but it works. —Xhantar 02:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

html code

wht is the html code for me to put a 'wikipedia search' on my web site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.207.41 (talk • contribs)

Not sure if there is any policy on Misplaced Pages about searching directly from external websites, but I can't really think of any reason why you can't. This should work (stolen from here and slightly modified):

<form id="search" method="get" action="http://en.wikipedia.org/search/"> Search <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/">Misplaced Pages</a>: <input type='hidden' name='title' value='Special:Search' /> <div><div><input type='text' id='lsearchbox' value="" name="search" /> <span id='loadStatus'></span><input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search" /> <div id='results'></div></div></div> </form>

Hope this helps. —Xhantar 03:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation question

Hello, I've been browsing Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation and would like to decline some requests that appear to be not suitable for wikipedia. Are there requirements for becoming an articles for creation judge? If so, what are the requirements. Metallic95 02:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Just go in there and leave a not that you don't think the article would be suitable, and why. Maybe even <s>strikethrough</s> the article name. If someone comes along later and agrees, they can remove it. If someone disagrees, they can state why or maybe start the article.

I feel like it shouldn't just be taken down without comment because it might just get re-requested, or may actually deserve an article. Mishatx *разговор* 02:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Any registered user can close an AFC if they feel competent with doing that. There are instructions on the right-hand column at the top of AFC. (You create the closebox with {{subst:afc top}} and {{subst:afc b}}; make sure you write a reason, and also remember that you should delete the content of the submission if it's nonsense, copyvio, or a personal attack.) --ais523 10:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Can the system be fixed so that you can edit "Section Zero" of an article?

Or "Subsection Zero" of an article, for that matter. In other words, not the rest of the article/section.

You can achieve this by clicking the edit-button of a different section and then manually editing the url to read &action=edit&section=0. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Flag_of_Vermont&action=edit&section=1 --> section zero --> http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Flag_of_Vermont&action=edit&section=0. You can also click the general edit button and paste &section=0 at the end of the url. Niels|en talk-nl talk (faster response)| 02:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You can also add this code to your monobook.js. It creates a new tab (called "0") which edits the zero section when you click it. –RHolton≡– 03:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Default edit summary

Is there any way to specify a default edit summary to be shown in the edit summary edit box on an article's edit page? I checked Preferences but couldn't find anything. I might be blind, though. Thanks. —Xhantar 02:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

No, not that I'm aware of. There is an option to remind you if you've left the edit summary blank, though. –RHolton≡– 02:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You could probably put something in your monobook; I'll see what I can come up with tomorrow and let you know on your talkpage. Veinor 03:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I doubt there's one default edit summary that can be used even 20% of the times. I have, however, settled on a set of edit summaries that fit 90% of occasions. Firefox, my browser, offers a drop-down menu of a list recently used items, and I just choose the correct one from there. Xiner (talk, email) 04:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Clean up Page

your website is NOT user friendly to just report a problem. Wow to read all of those pages of how to handle vandalism is crazy. I went in under Oceans and found under Pysical properties that the paragraph had been alerted with some bad language. My grandson and I were researching for a project and this is what we found. I like your site but again you need a simple way for just researchers to let you know there is problems. Thanks for your attention to this matter.

There's a place called Stablepedia, I can't remember the URL, if you google it you'd find it easily. It presents the latest non vandalized version of Misplaced Pages for you. The only problem is new information or grammatical errors might be there, and you can't update Stablepedia. Even if they update once a week, the amount of edits made in just one week is astronomical. We always hate to see these sort of things happen, it's fortunate you didn't run into something worse (incidents back in December got really bad). Generally, vandalism is caught easily and what you encountered is likely already gone. Bear in mind, of course, that even as an anonymous editor, you can edit the majority of pages and take the vandalism out yourself. There might be some place for you to report edits, but I wouldn't know the exact link. Again, our apologies. DoomsDay349 03:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• Have you tried the "contact us" link in the menu on the left? Anyway, things like that are usually fixed pretty quickly (often quicker than you can take to write a message to report it) and if you read WP:REVERT you will know how to fix it yourself immediately without waiting for someone else. - Mgm| 10:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Need Help to Delete Pages

I created a page for Cyclone Records, but unfortunately did not realize that my original search for the page included quotes and therefore the end result page also has quotes in the name. I then attempted to create the page with no quotes and erroneously did not capitalize the "R" in Records.

I have now set up a third and proper page called Cyclone_Records and would like to delete the first two attempts but don't dare attempt anything else on my own for fear of screwing things up even further:

   "Cyclone Records"
   Cyclone_records

Can you please delete these two pages for me please and retain the proper one: Cyclone_Records.

Thanks.

I've changed them to redirects. So now they both point to Cyclone Records. In the future if you want a page deleted and you're the only editor to it, you can put {{db-author}} on the page and some admin will come along to delete it. Dismas| 04:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Australia Post item

hi

I work for the Corporate Public Affairs department of Australia Post. In the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/Australia_Post in the box on the right hand side the Australia Post logo is out of date as well as some of the information. Am I able to edit this myself or can I send you the latest logo and the changes.

many thanks for any help you are able to provide me.

best regards,

Gillian Mayne

(E-Mail removed for security purposes)

03 9204 5271

Look...You're already doing it! :o) I fixed some coding a little...if you need any help editing that infobox on the right-hand side, then just let me know! tiZom_(2¢) 05:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

language

how can i learn english as a language with its grammar via wikipedia ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zep 25 (talk • contribs)

Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and its featured articles generally adhere to the highest standards of grammar. Going through them would help and also be bold and make changes to articles where you think the grammar is not correct. At worst, you will be corrected and will learn something in the process. As long as you edit here in good faith, people will definitely help you out. There are obviously other better, structured ways to learn english and Misplaced Pages does not have any language tutorials — Lost 07:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• You can start by reading English grammar. Unlike Lost, I recommend you don't change any grammar unless you know what you're doing. Misplaced Pages uses different varieties of English in different articles and what may look wrong to Americans is perfectly acceptable to British readers. Don't go changing something to either variety unless you know what our manual of style has to say about this. Changing something that isn't wrong can cause a lot of unneccesarly problems. - Mgm| 09:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

When in doubt about making any change to an article, discuss it first on an article's talk page. As a very approximate rule of thumb, consider the quality of an article first. A brand-new user, for example, probably should not make extensive edits to a featured article. Featured articles have already received extensive editing from some of Misplaced Pages's most advanced editors, making it unlikely the article would still have errors or deficiencies a new editor could recognize and correct. (I should mention that if you want to learn English, it helps to read well-written English, and Misplaced Pages's featured articles represent the best writing on Misplaced Pages.) At the other end (the bottom) of the article quality scale are stubs. If you know something about the subject of a stub article, you can probably improve the article by adding what you know to it, even if your English grammar is not good. As long as other editors can understand your meaning, they can clean up the grammar. In general, the poorer an article is currently, the more likely that a new Misplaced Pages user is able to improve it. Articles of low quality vastly outnumber articles of high quality on Misplaced Pages, so there is plenty of editing for everyone to do. --Teratornis 18:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You might be interested in the Simple English Misplaced Pages, which uses a small set of English words. It is intended for people who are just learning English. Corvus cornix 00:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

(auto)Archive my user talk

Hi, How do i auto-archive my user talk? Please help me do this... Thanks!

You need to request a bot to do your archiving for you. You might want to read User:Werdnabot/Archiver/Howto for instructions on requesting Werdnabot to do the archiving (there are other bots which will do talkpage archiving as well). --ais523 08:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Street names

When I am writing an article about a street, should the article title be created with the format 'Smith Street (City)' or as 'Smith Street, City'? With a comma or brackets? Bobbacon 08:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (places)#Determine prevalent usage. If it's more reasonable to think that people would write the city name when they write the street name, use a comma; if the street's sufficiently well known that people normally wouldn't write the city name when writing the street name unless it's ambiguous, use brackets. --ais523 08:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Going by Fifth Avenue, I'd say the former since that redirects to Fifth Avenue (Manhattan). I then checked Rodeo Drive (just the first to come to mind) and that had the category of Category:Streets in Los Angeles County, California. That listing seems to also favor the parenthesis style. Dismas| 08:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

thanks, I will go with the street followed by the brackets and in any future cases, unless as suggested you would automatically think to search for the street with the city name. Bobbacon 09:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

news papers

how can i see the news which came in the newspapers long back in 1870s as it is, including pictures?

• The newspaper will have archives on microfilm as do a lot of libraries. What newspaper are you looking for? - Mgm| 09:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • This is something that might be better addressed at Misplaced Pages:Reference desk - please take a look there. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Image Use

Hi, I would like to write an article about a singer/group. However despite having read the various image policy guidelines I am extremely confused about what images I can use. If I take a photograph of an album cover can I use this? What about an image of the singer taken from a video? Similarly images of the artist posted on their web pages. I am able to write the article without images but they would be very useful to illustrate certain points. Thank you Hotmann 10:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Generally speaking, you can't use pictures on Misplaced Pages unless the copyright has been licensed using a free use licence. None of the examples you've given are free use, as the copyright belongs to someone else and they're very unlikely to have released it under a free use licence. Misplaced Pages has some provisions for non-free-use images, however; the album cover can normally be used to illustrate an article about the album, under the fair use criteria (but make sure that you read them and that they all apply first!), but the other images probably wouldn't be usable at all (unless for some reason there was an article about the image in question, rather than the artist). Obtaining free-use images of celebrities is a contentious issue at the moment; it has been known for Wikipedians to take photos of celebrities so that they can be licenced as free-use, but failing that you'll just have to do without images. --ais523 10:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You can also write nicely to the copyright holder of the website and ask them if they would freely release an image (note, images solely for use on Misplaced Pages are not permitted - read Misplaced Pages:Copyrights and GFDL to find out why); they will have to email permission directly to Misplaced Pages. The process is described in detail at Misplaced Pages:Requesting copyright permission. Proto::► 12:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and some sample requests can be found at Misplaced Pages:Example_requests_for_permission. Hope that helps. Proto::► 12:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Responding to a user

How do I respond to someone who has submitted an answer to my question?

Users have User talk pages, which allow other people to communicate with them; mine is User talk:ais523. Editing a user's Talk page will send them a message. You can click on someone's signature, then on 'discussion' at the top of the screen, to reach their talk page; or some users will have a 'leave me a message' link on their user page or a 'talk' link in their signature, which can be used as a shortcut. If you want to reply to a Help Desk question, you can click 'edit' next to its section header to edit the discussion from that question and respond there instead if you like. (Note that on discussion pages like the Help Desk and user-talk pages, it's usual to write ~~~~ at the end of the comment, to insert your signature.) Hope that helps! --ais523 13:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

For more info: Help:Talk page. --Teratornis 18:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Mashup?

As much as I absolutely loathe the term, is there an integrated wiki mapping mash up tool or one that is properly licensed for wikipedia? JohnCub 14:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Mapping has several meanings, as its disambiguation page shows. If you refer to cartography, this may help: meta:Maps. --Teratornis 18:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes that's exactly what I was hoping for, thank you very much! JohnCub 18:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Also see Web mapping, a survey article more or less on the subject, which needs more editing by the way, especially with linking the remaining unlinked jargon terms to their defining articles. The whole field is very complicated, with many redundant efforts it seems. I suggest reading carefully about all the options and tools before deciding how you will proceed with whatever project you have in mind. No sense in dumping a lot of work into something you might end up throwing out for something else later. --Teratornis 21:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it would make more sense if I divulged my intent with this request. What I'd like to see is a way to map where specific dinosaur fossils have been found. I'm no scientist but I figured if I could at least find a way to make a mapping / discovery thing work I could help with this. I'm thinking a world map with editable coordinates to just put a point on the map, possibly linking to a wikipage of the the find / dig if that's acceptable or to a news release or something of the find.

I think what I'm looking for is a basic thing but after reading a bit into this I might be biting off half the apple and thinking I'm just getting a taste. Any thoughts or direction? JohnCub 02:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

What, no interest in Teratorn fossils? (Sorry, that was an attempt at a joke on my user name.)

A very large number of Misplaced Pages articles can benefit from maps. Since MediaWiki has no built-in geographic/cartographic features (as far as I know), different people have used/are developing different methods to hack them in, from drawing maps in external applications and uploading them as image files, to writing templates such as {{Coor}}, {{Coor d}}, {{Geolinks-US-streetscale}}, and probably other methods I have not found yet. (Ah, a bit of browsing around shows a lot of changes to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Geographical coordinates since the last time I looked.) If you edit an article that is about a single location of fossil finds (such as Big Bone Lick State Park), adding a single set of coordinates to the article is straightforward. See the article's wikitext to see how that works. (Note that clicking on the coordinates in the upper right corner of the article (in the default skin, anyway) links to a dynamic page of links to several map sites that display maps or aerial photographs of the location.)

If you have a list of coordinates you want to want to display, one method would be to find one of the coordinate templates that you could use multiple times on a single page, and put your coordinates into a table. I don't know an example of such a page, but I would like to do that myself, to illustrate the intersection turn locations in a bicycle route (on Bicycling Wiki). --Teratornis 03:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I should clarify that what you can do with the coordinate templates is kind of the inverse of what you want to do. Instead of starting with a map and letting people link from points on the map to articles about those locations, you can use the coordinate templates to let people link from articles to map sites that show the locations the articles are about. What you want to do (edit clickable points on an actual map, via a wiki interface) has been proposed on meta:Wikimaps#Usage Scenarios. I don't know the status of what's in development or already available; I only know this feature doesn't seem to be built in to Misplaced Pages yet, and is sorely needed for fossil finds and lots more things. --Teratornis 03:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Commander In Chief

Sorry I don't have time now to investigate this, but Commander In Chief currently redirects to the TV series. Just seems a bit interesting as I'd have thought there'd be more to write on other aspects of the phrase, but perhaps I'm wrong? Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 14:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It should redirect to Commander-in-Chief, which is the article about the title. I have fixed this, thanks for spotting it! Proto::► 14:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, of course. Thank you. Xiner (talk, email) 14:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Template/stub ordering

Is there a way to order templates/stubs on a page? On this page Storybook Glen the two stubs would look and sit better above the template box, however I cannot get this to happen. In the code the stubs are both places before the box but it still insists on ordering itself with one stub below and the other above the box. Bobbacon 15:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair use, images, woes.

Hello,

Whenever I want to add something to Misplaced Pages, I try to look at other articles to see how others are doing the same thing I want to do. I have a few images that I'd like to add to some articles, some of these should be OK, as I asked for permission to use them here. But others have been scanned/taken from other sources and there might be a problem... So I checked other photos on other articles and they don't seem to be 100% alright, yet, they have not been deleted. Eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Alison_Krauss_Grammys.jpg (from a featured article, no less). Let's say I find a photo on a book, newspaper, magazine or website. Is it OK to scan it and/or upload it to Misplaced Pages, if the point is to illustrate or clarify something in the article, if I credit it to the best of my ability, if the photo is of low resolution and if I'm not uploading dozens of photos? To me, this would be under the fair use umbrella, but I'm not entirely sure after reading the guidelines and especially after seeing the licensing options on the upload page (some options seem to be missing, although the tags can still be used). 0cm 16:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

We're trying to make a free (as in speech) encyclopedia here. Fair use images do not help with this task except when they are required for an article to have any meaning (historical paintings and photographs). Expect that fair use images will be even more restricted than they are right now. In short, the answer to your question is likley no, but it depends on the case. You can see more info at WP:FUC. Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

"Can this image be replaced by a different one, while still having the same effect?" -- for many articles, this seems almost impossible. Especially for past events, which are a bit different from other kinds of article (an article about a building, a town, an animal, an object, that you can just approach and photograph). Another problem is asking permission, in certain cases, I've found that the copyright-holder no longer exists (ie: a defunct newspaper). I understand the reasons for the restrictions on images, but at the same time, they seem too restrictive, while it's clear that they aren't being followed or that they're not clear/consistent enough to be followed. If that makes sense... So you think I shouldn't add any images like the ones I mentioned above? I'd rather not, if they're not appropriate and will possibly/eventually be deleted, but at the same time, there are already so many questionable images on Misplaced Pages, it's almost naive not to upload them when they could improve a certain article. 0cm 17:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Is this reportable?

While we're on the subject of the introduction and Lucy-marie's evasion of criticism of her edits, this seems particularly relevant.

An anon editor changed the ideology from ethnic nationalism to White nationalism with an edit summary stating "White Nationalism is more accurate because the party is against immigrants of a visible minority. The party membership is restricted to Caucasians not only to brits" . Lucy-marie immediately reverts it back with an edit summary stating "please discuss your edit this may be considered orignal research" . It should be noted it is not the first time Lucy-marie has reverted this change either. However Lucy-marie is not averse to making unsourced changes without discussion in a different direction. For example she changed the BNP's position from Far right to Exact position disputed with absolutely no edit summary or discussion . When the edit in question was reverted Lucy-marie again reinserted the text with the (somewhat confusing) edit summary of "here we go again we are trying to be constructive but WGee strikes again we are not white washing we are trying to de emphasise immigration" . Perhaps Lucy-marie could explain why any edits that might portray the BNP in a more negative light are reverted with an edit summary claiming original research, yet she is willing to make similar edits without discussion or sources to try and portray the BNP in a more positive light? I did bring this up earlier but I never got an answer, hopefully this time my query can be addressed please?

Also worth mentioning is this edit . VoluntarySlave had added a source for the list of UAF supporters, yet Lucy-marie mysteriously removes the source with an edit summary of "UAF are a pressure group". Is there any reason for the removal of the source in question please? One Night In Hackney 06:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

This seems to be more of a critique about my edits and me personally more than anything else.

Also do guidelines have to be complied with or is it soley policy which must be complied with?

--Lucy-marie 16:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Policies, guidelines, and essays Xiner (talk, email) 21:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Upgrading frm GA to FA

Can someone please take a disinterested look at the Amanda Dowler article and see where improvement to the article can be made.--Lucy-marie 17:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Your best bet is probably to put up an RFC (request for comments). That way more people will see it and be able to offer feedback. Good luck, meshach 06:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

"You have new messages (last change)" harassment

What is happening? I click on "new messages" and "last change", and I find the same perplexing messages on my talk page. When I go to another article, the "new messages" box reappears, and won't go after I click either link. The messages on my page are regarding some page I never visited. Confused, I looked at my user contributions, and found two, not the twenty or so I was expecting for my IP address; both were on the article in question: some obscure Japanese city. I checked the changes with the "diff" link and found inane vandalism I certainly didn't do. So just what is going on? And more importantly, how do I get rid of that annoying orange box? 211.28.243.181 17:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It's probably a shared IP address that someone else was using. If you register an account, then this sort of thing doesn't happen. And that orange box goes away after you read the messages, though there might be a bit of lag. Veinor 17:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Question about article title

I want to create an article about a "Torrent Box" and I was wondering if I should make the article title "Torrent Box(Hardware)" so people do not confuse it with software or a website of a similar name.

I'd suggest naming it 'Torrent box' for now; if another one comes up, we can cross that bridge when we come to it. Veinor 18:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use Policy

Why does this policy exist? All it does is unnecessarily restrict what you can and can't have on your user page. It is only recent as it was added in 2006 as revealed by a user on Jimbo Wales' talk page and apparently many users consider it a complete sham. How did Misplaced Pages manage without it and why can't Misplaced Pages continue to manage without it? Henchman 2000 19:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

We need some form of a fair use policy in order to stay safe legally. Most editors here would agree with you that our current policy is far too biased against fair use images. However, the majority of users who edit the policy pages are really against almost any kind of fair use at all. In order to make the policy more accepting of legally allowed fair use, the policy needs to be changed. Johntex\ 21:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The German language Misplaced Pages bans fair use completely, insisting on free images. Does this really make it such a bad encyclopedia? Notinasnaid 21:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Sex Ant Toys

I put a deletion suggestion template on the article Sex Ant Toys because this band is too minor and unknown. But someone removed the template without making his point, and under the claim "adding sourcing and references" (look at the history of the page ). What, nevertheless, can be done? Should the article be deleted? (By the way, around this unimportant subject, many articles which are even less important were created) Tomer T 20:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

This article smells of WP:COI. The article is still non-notable, to me - 21 Google hits will not really make the band any more notable should sources be found. Misplaced Pages:Proposed deletion#Conflicts says you should take it to AfD, where, I imagine, it will be deleted. x42bn6 Talk 20:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I listed this for deletion. Please see Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Sex_Ant_Toys. Johntex\ 20:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

February 14

Link title display options

So I have a link: Archery at the 2004 Summer Olympics - Men's individual#Men's individual ranking round. Now, I want this link to display on the page like a bullet (●), so I just appended |●]] to the end of the link so it came out like this: ●. No problem. Now, here's the problem: I want, when the link is moused over, for the yellow link box to display "Men's individual ranking round" and not the title of the original article. For the purposes of what I'm doing, it it important to do this, or else there'd be no reason to put the links there because the person wouldn't know what they're linking to, exactly. How do I change what's in the pop-up box to show this? _└┘talk  21:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you can, for all practical purposes. Misplaced Pages attempts to (somewhat) standardize the way pages look, and how the user interface will work. While what you're suggesting sounds kinda neat, the results won't be consistent with how Misplaced Pages works everywhere else. –RHolton≡– 22:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Well...there's no article called "Men's individual ranking round". So you could turn Men's individual ranking round into a redirect to Archery at the 2004 Summer Olympics - Men's individual#Men's individual ranking round and link to that redirect instead. That way, the yellow box will pop up with Men's individual ranking round. It will work. But...i'm not sure whether this is really an appropriate useage of our redirect function... --`/aksha 02:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

It can be done: ●. Admittedly, the markup isn't very obvious: ]. (Yaksha's right in that the redirect would work, but be agaisnt policy.) I hope that helps! --ais523 10:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

O.o I'm quite sure i never saw this when i was looking through all our help pages, back when i tried to do a similar thing. IIRC, we have a editing help page on links don't we? I don't remember what it's called, but someone should probably go and add this in. --`/aksha 12:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you much, ais523 (and others!). _└┘talk  14:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I've added the information on how to do this to Meta's help page at m:Help:Link; it'll be updated over here at Misplaced Pages next time the help pages are updated. --ais523 09:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I need to create a Tim Johnson disambiguation page

There is Tim Johnson (politician) and Tim Johnson (baseball), but if you type in Tim Johnson, you are redirected to the politician. There may even be other Tim Johnsons. DandyDan2007 22:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

If you follow the Tim Johnson link to the Tim Johnson (politician) page, you'll notice a message at the top saying "(Redirected from Tim Johnson)". Note that "Tim Johnson" is a link, and that link will take you to the redirect page without following the redirect. On that page, you can create a disambiguation page. See Misplaced Pages:disambiguation for more information. –RHolton≡– 22:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I created it, see Tim Johnson. I'll add in other Tim Johnson named folks soon. For more info, see Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation. DoomsDay349 22:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I'll know what to do the next time something like that comes up. DandyDan2007 22:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a followup from earlier. I also discovered a Tim Johnson (disambiguation) page. I've figured out how to merge articles, but I don't have time at the moment. Can I ask someone to merge Tim Johnson with Tim Johnson (disambiguation)? DandyDan2007 01:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I've merged the two pages and arranged the merged disambiguation page in alphabetical order. --`/aksha 02:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Help with an issue on the "Circus" article

A user going by both PDH and Peta is placing a cleanup tag inappropriately on a section merely because he/she doesn't like the information found therein. He is also clipping words from a subheading which accurately describe the information found thereunder. Now two others have locked the article in his biased state. I have asked if he is interested in a mediator but there's been no response. This is abuse of Misplaced Pages policies in my opinion. Please read the dispute and help out someone. Thanks. 63.196.193.173 00:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, you've made the right steps by trying to address your dispute on the article's talk page. However, nothing will get done if each party simply engages in revert wars to push his own opinion, even if you think you're right (I'm sure the other side does, too). There are several processes of dispute resolution which can be used to develop more of a consensus. I would suggest trying one, and also making every effort to engage in civil dialogue with everyone involved. At the very least, if you're polite and explain all your actions, you will be the bigger and more mature person, and you are more likely to develop support for your opinions. Good luck! —Keakealani·?·!·@ 00:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I HAVE tried reasoning with this person quite a bit. In addition to my own discussions I've quoted Misplaced Pages policy comments. His replies are short responses without substance or Wiki policy references. Also as I said I asked for mediation but there's been no response. I've done what I can. Now the page has been locked in this biased state without good cause or further discussion. Is this good Misplaced Pages policy? 63.196.193.173 00:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages policy is that one looks for compromise wording, and that the value of Misplaced Pages articles are in their content, not their headings, so headings should be as neutral as possible. So that's one mistake you made. A second is to use the phrase user going by both PDH and Peta, implying a violation of sock puppet policy; in fact, policy on signatures allows a user to have a signature that varies slightly from his/her account name. A third mistake was to violate revert policy by doing four reverts within 24 hours; you're lucky that you didn't get blocked for this (a block is pretty much automatic, once you're warned - which you were not). A fourth mistake is to come here to complain about one user, when in fact a second user - Blnguyen - also got involved, on PDH/Peta's side. A fifth is to have asked for mediation, when in fact the proper action, per Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes, is to ask for a third opinion if two editors disagree. A sixth is to say the page is "locked", when in fact it's only semi-protected, which means that anonymous IP addresses (you've apparently used at least two, since your first edit to the article had an edit summary of "reverting again", implying you'd edited under another account) are blocked from editing but registered users are not.

Please try to focus on the larger picture here: one section heading, in one article out of 1.6 million, isn't worth fighting about. You've posted and edited at least 15 times on this minor point. You sound like you could be a very constructive editor if you worked on adding sourced information to articles. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 17:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

hereditary disease

Is there a treatment for hereditary disease — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.32.196.27 (talk • contribs)

Misplaced Pages does not give out medical advice. However, it if it something that has been researched, Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. -- Natalya 00:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Fonts - licensing

When creating an image, are there some fonts which are free use and some which are not? Can I use any font as long as I don't use every letter or something? What is the deal here? Thanks, and please don't send me to a WP page with pages and pages of legal information. =) I just need a straight answer. Goyston talk, contribs, play 00:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an expert with copyright stuff, especially when it comes to images >_> but I'm pretty sure it would be okay. A lot of the fonts these days are PD anyway, from memory. Should be fine. The worst that will happen, is the image is deleted. Be Bold! — Deon555_desk 01:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought fonts where only copyrighted in very rare circumstances. I mean, most advertisments (as in commercial advertisments) include writing, and the writing is generally in a few very common fonts. So logically, i can't see how those fonts are copyrighted. I'm no expert in copyrights, but i'd say your fine as long as you're not using anything *very* weird. Just pick a common font and use it. If there's a problem, you'll get told and the most you'll probably have to do is change the font. --`/aksha 01:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

All fonts are copyright unless they have specifically been placed into the public domain (although there's some question as to their copyright status even then). At least in the US, copyright is not something you need to apply for, it is an automatic attribute of a creative work. Many, many fonts are copyright and not freely redistributable--you must license them in order to use them. Generally speaking at least, once you have the right to use a font, you have the right to publish items that make use of that font. (Standard disclaimers apply.) –RHolton≡– 13:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Song lyrics?

Can someone point me towards a Wiki policy article that deals with song lyrics? Thanks. Captain Infinity 01:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps Misplaced Pages:Copyright? In general song lyrics are copyrighted and therefore can't be added to articles. Garion96 (talk) 01:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been all over it; there's no mention of lyrics. Captain Infinity 02:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

It's like a poem. More than a couple of lines, and you've probably crossed the line. Xiner (talk, email) 02:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I understand the theory, but what I'm looking for is an actual Wiki policy page that states this. Captain Infinity 02:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is one. Is there a reason that you need a page stating that specifically? -Amarkov moo! 02:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I've seen lyrics in a good number of Wiki pages, but when I added some to You Got F'd in the A I was told they were not allowed by WP policy. Just wondering where the policy is (I've searched dozens of help pages and FQA's, and came up empty). If there is one I'll happily remove lyrics from other pages when I see them. Thanks for everyone's help. Captain Infinity 23:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The copyright policy is the relevant policy. It says that works created by others are copyrighted, and that copyrights are to be respected, and that includes not copying things which you have no permission or licence to copy. There is also a guideline at Misplaced Pages:Lyrics and poetry. -- zzuuzz 03:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you! Captain Infinity 23:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

And also, no getting around this by posting links to lyrics sites, unless the lyrics are out of copyright or the site is official (legal). Again, no specific policy for lyrics but Misplaced Pages:External links applies. Notinasnaid 09:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The relevant sections of the Misplaced Pages:Copyrights policy are "Using copyrighted work from others" (for lyrics in articles) and "Linking to copyrighted works" (for linking to lyrics). Mike Dillon 23:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Young Religious Unitarian Universalists

The Young Religious Unitarian Universalists article was an unassessed religion article, until I assessed it as a start-class religion article. But even thou it now is listed as a start-class religion article, it is also still listed as an unassessed religion article. I have tried removing the article from the list of unassessed religion article, but was unable to. So how do I get it to only be listed as a start-class religion article? --Devin Murphy 02:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

From what i can see, it's a glitch with the way the template works. I don't quite understand how adding categories in templates work, so i'm not going to mess with it. But it seems when you take up the class, it keeps the old category. If you go look at the page now, the "unassessed" category should be gone now. --`/aksha 03:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Chimpanzee?

I wasn't sure where to put this so I'm going to put it here in case it's the right spot. I just wikipediad (verb?) Chimpanzee and all I got was :{{Taxoboxpoop. However when I searched for Chimp I recieved the page titled Chimpanzee with the sub-heading (Redirected from Chimp). I didn't know who I should tell or where I should post this so hopefully this is the right spot. Also since I have never edited[REDACTED] I thought someone with more experience should.

65.184.43.6 03:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for catching this and bringing it to our attention. You were unlucky enough to load the page right after it had been vandalized, and right before someone repaired it (usually happens pretty quickly). If you see this again, please feel free to revert it yourself, that would be most helpful. Thanks again, Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions or want to discuss anything. delldot | talk 06:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

where i can find the devoloper tools?196.218.190.135 05:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

where i can find the devoloper tools?196.218.190.135 05:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Could you be more specific with regards to 'developer tools'? Shadow1 (talk) 13:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

mould working

How mould work in moulding machine ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.17.160.150 (talk) 10:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

You might want to see the article on Molding (process). You can also try asking your question at the Reference Desk—they specialize in answering knowledge questions. Hope this helps. —Xhantar 10:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Adding image

How do i put a picture to some article ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somen2k (talk • contribs)

Looking at your contributions, I assume you're talking about Swanand Kirkire, so I added the image that you had uploaded to this article PeaceNT 14:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

To learn how to do this yourself, see WP:PIC. --Teratornis 16:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

templates and view source

In an attempt to learn how templates work I wanted to have a look at the wikitext of some of the more complex/popular existing templates. However several of them are protected (for example Template:babel)

I don't want to edit the template, but I would like to be able to see the wikitext that produces it.

In short: is there a way to view the wikitext of a protected page ? --Eivind 14:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit it, just do not save anything. If you just close the window, go back to the previous page, choose another url, etc... nothing will be saved! Cheers Lethaniol 14:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

In the case of protected page, we see 'view source', not 'edit' (unless you're an administrator). Jacek Kendysz 14:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Duh, I guess I was tossed out by the fact that Template:babel itself claims that: The page you are now reading is the actual Babel template. If you click "edit this page", you will see a bunch of computer code that makes the Babel boxes work. which is sorta silly advice since clicking "edit this page" ain't an option for most of us (non-admins) --Eivind 14:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Possibly someone wrote that instruction before someone else protected the template. You might leave a request on Template talk:babel for someone who is able to edit the template to update the outdated instruction. Note the instruction at the top of the talk page on how to request an edit to the protected template. --Teratornis 16:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Articles with key words.

How can a find every article with certian key words, ie: Sons of Liberty. I am attempting to compile reasearch on the Sons and would like to find all articles including the Sons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 161.51.11.2 (talk) 14:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

• One good way to conduct specialized searches of Misplaced Pages is with a domain specific google search. For example, if you instruct google to search only in en.wikipedia.org (see here for an example) and search for "sons of liberty" (in quotes), you will find the following 446 pages. For more information on searching wikipedia, see Misplaced Pages:Searching. Thanks, TheronJ 16:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Soldier information

I am trying to identify were my Grandfather was enlisted/served. I only have pictures of him in uniform but no other information. I know he served prior to 1930. His name was Oscar James Carr. Can you point me in the right direction? Can your site help me? Thank you Jennifer Buczek —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.29.226.138 (talk) 14:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

Hi there. This page is for questions about editing Misplaced Pages. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Misplaced Pages for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. —Xhantar 16:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Admindship

How does a person become a Misplaced Pages administrator? 'WiiWillieWiki→ 15:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

See WP:ADMIN and WP:RFA. PeaceNT 16:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I heard you have to edit zillions of articles, walk through fire, and beat the man himself in a wrestling match :) Seriously though; what he said --^ —Xhantar 16:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah! That was new, I didn't know :P PeaceNT 16:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

(disclaimer: I am not an admin) Not to be disrespectful to the questioner, but one of the skills an administrator needs is knowing his or her way around Misplaced Pages's policy and procedure documents well enough to find the answer to this sort of question. Many of those documents have shortcuts, so a good way would to start is to get familiar with the list of shortcuts and all the pages linked from there. Obviously that takes some time and work. A good way to test one's knowledge of these documents is to look up answers to questions here on the Help desk. Misplaced Pages is one of the most comprehensively-documented systems I have seen, so the answer to almost any question a new user is likely to ask (about how to use Misplaced Pages) will already be written down somewhere. Usually it is better to answer such questions by citing a reference than to rely on one's inexact personal recollection. --Teratornis 16:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, who are you making remarks on? PeaceNT 16:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I commented on the questioner's question, and on your (laudable) manner of providing the answer. You replied to the questioner by citing Misplaced Pages policy documents via shortcuts. I explained that knowing how to do what you just did looks to me like something an administrator should know how to do. If a person has to ask how to become an administrator, he or she might not be ready to become one yet, because an administrator has to know how to look up lots more things that are harder to find. --Teratornis 19:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The questioner may have asked only for further information on the issue s/he isn't sure about, I didn't notice that s/he wanted to become an administrator. :) PeaceNT 02:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, you are correct. The questioner asked: How does a person become a Misplaced Pages administrator? Thus my remarks should not be on the questioner, but on a person. I apologize for my carelessness, and I'll see if I can find a microtome, to let me keep up with this level of hair-splitting. Just to clarify, so we avoid any diplomatic crisis, if a person wants to become an administrator, then first that person ought to be able to find pages such as WP:ADMIN and WP:RFA without asking another human specifically. Perhaps I would have done better had the question been, How did the existing administrators attain their lofty perch? But even then I might have mentioned that I suspect most of the existing administrators probably did not have to ask how to become administrators at the time they requested adminship, snarky as that may sound. Of course I have no way of knowing whether they did; I'm merely generalizing from my understanding of how the world works, as far as I have observed it. In purely meritocratic systems, the people with most of the answers often have some sort of power over the people with most of the questions (although some answers are more powerful than others, such as those pertaining to obtaining and operating the superior weaponry). This will probably hold true unless Moore's Law produces a technological singularity that renders all of us omniscient and therefore equal. --Teratornis 03:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Linkspam

Is this linkspam, or good stuff? Can I have a second opinion or two? AndyJones 17:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

IMHO good stuff, and probably in good faith - the website link gives access to a number of I believe free resources to help understand the plays better. Leave it up to other editors concerned with those articles whether they want to keep or whether they want to find other/better website resource guides. Cheers Lethaniol 17:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

On further reading I think there is likely better resource websites out there - but for the example I looked at - Taming of the Shrew - there is currently no other guides linked so a start at least. Cheers Lethaniol 17:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

HELP!!!

I am make a user box & i have an image i want to put in it, but i cant figure out what do i put in it,help!--Lolicon(Down With Child Porn)Saikano 18:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried copying an existing userbox and changing the image to yours? It'd be easier. Xiner (talk, email) 18:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism Warnings?

Why do I keep getting these messages about it being my last change and that I'm vandalizing the articles when I'm correcting information.

Question from User:Mphifer254, added by Cheers Lethaniol 18:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Have answered at User talk:Mphifer254. Cheers Lethaniol 18:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

REDIRECT

Hi, I am trying to redirect Derek to Special:Allpages/Derek but without success ... maybe because the latter refers back to the former. Can anyone help? Abtract 19:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

• The ability to redirect to special pages has been disabled. If I can make a recommendation, I think a disambiguation page would be a better idea, possibly ending with a "soft redirect" (e.g., "See also the following list of[REDACTED] pages with titles beginning with "Derek"") Thanks, TheronJ 19:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I will ponder and may have another q :Abtract 19:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of content

I am sure there is a policy/guideline out there that say something along the lines of - unless there is a very good reason for it, do not delete content - or something along those lines with a list of caveats. Can't find it, any one know where to look lol. Cheers Lethaniol 20:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Note if anyone wants to know what this is concerning please see Talk:Waldorf education#Swedish Study, right lets go guideline reading. Cheers Lethaniol 20:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I recently quoted the very excerpt you seek. --Teratornis 03:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Mt. Anthony Union HS Alumni Websites

I need alumni websites for the high school in Bennington, Vermont. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.222.105.48 (talk) 20:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

You may wish to contact the alumni association of that school. Xiner (talk, email) 21:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Random Image

Greetings. I'm having far more difficulty implementing a random image (every time the page is refreshed a random image is chosen and displayed) on my wiki than should be necessary. First I looked for a script to do it, and found a very good php script. The way it works is you put the php file in the directory of the images that you want to randomly display, then put the url of the php file in your <img scr=> tag. Problem is, html is a no-no on wikis. No problem right? just use the ] tag right? Wrong. Seems when you put a php file in place of an image file using that tag, the wiki creates a link to upload a file for some reason. Next I searched the mediawiki site for an extension, and found . Perfect, right? I certainly had hoped so. But it seems that whenever I edit the page that I use the random image extension on, it forgets about any images uploaded before that point. Pretty useless for a user edited site, let alone the front page, where I planned to use it.

So can anyone tell me how to force mediawiki to blindly think the .php script is an image, or tell me what I'm doing wrong with the random image extension? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.12.165.210 (talk) 21:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

There is probably some other, easier, better, more correct way of achieving what you're trying to (in MediaWiki itself?), but this might do the trick:

If you're running Apache with mod_rewrite installed and enabled, plus have the necessary AllowOverride directive set to allow .htaccess files to override earlier access information, try creating a .htaccess file in the same directory where you have your PHP script, containing (for example):

RewriteEngine on
RewriteBase /somepath/
RewriteRule ^blah\.jpg$ blah.php 

Then, in blah.php, you'll need (and might already have) something like this:

header("Content-type: image/jpg");

Now, when you open (e.g.) http://www.whatever.com/somepath/blah.jpg in a web browser, the web server should actually execute blah.php instead, but send a header that tells your web browser that it's serving a JPEG image. So as far as your web browser is concerned, the file requested (blah.jpg) will also be the file your web server served (blah.jpg)—even though blah.php is actually what got executed...tee hee!

Hope this helps. —Xhantar 22:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Xhantar. Looks like that would have worked, but unfortunately, my host doesn't allow mod_rewrite. Any other suggestions?

I played around with Special:Random/Image a bit (see Misplaced Pages:Random), but couldn't figure how one would make it actually display the image it randomly links to—if that's even possible. You might want to try asking at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical), for a broader audience. Also, the README of the script you mentioned talks about an option to do with caching. It isn't clear to me exactly what this does, but perhaps it explains the problem you're having with it "forgetting about any images uploaded before that point". I would be very interested in you happen to find a working solution. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. —Xhantar 11:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

How Do I Add (Publish) A Page/Document?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bolted01 (talk • contribs)

See here. Xiner (talk, email) 21:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm a new user and want to start a new page. I have reviewed quite a bit of material on this page about starting a page, but I'm still not sure about one thing: does my page "go live" -- that is, is it available for public viewing -- from the moment that I create it?

I had planned to start the page by typing the page name into the Create Page box on Help:Starting a new page (http://en.wikipedia.org/Help:Starting_a_new_page).

Then I had planned to fill it with text, formatted according to Wiki markup language.

But, do visitors to Misplaced Pages get to see my "work in progress"? Or is it "private" until I take some step to make it public?

And, is there some sort of approval process that my contributed page must go through before it "goes live" on the site?

In a similar vein, I'm wondering if the Sandbox is public or private.

When I go to this page and enter text and practice formatting, is it visible to the public?

Is there a way to start an article in the Sandbox, then later move it to "real" article status once the formatting has been checked in the Sandbox?

Thanks.

Ted

Ted nw 22:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

If you can see it, everyone else can. Everything on Misplaced Pages is viewable by everyone else. Xiner (talk, email) 22:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Xiner's right; as soon as you hit "save page" everyone will be able to see it. I think your idea of working on it in a sandbox is a good idea, because if you hit save before the article meets Misplaced Pages's standards for inclusion for all articles, someone may delete it, not understanding that it's a work in progress. What I'd suggest doing is working on it in your userspace (see namespace for more info on what a "space" is). You can create a subpage of your user page by using a slash (/). So I'd go to User:Ted nw/sandbox or User:Ted nw/article draft or whatever you want to call the subpage, and work on it there. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions or want to discuss anything. delldot | talk 22:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

And delldot's right as well; another alternative is to tag the article with one of the "inuse" templates, e.g. {{inuse}} (more listed here), while you're still editing a work in progress, which will inform other editors of this fact. Just remember to remove the tag once you've finished. —Xhantar 22:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Hindu mythology

In Hindu mythology names of Sur and Assur appears. Do they have any relation to Assyrians and Sumerians?

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Trebor 22:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Indenting, um, "space blocks".

This is sort of related to the very first question I ever asked here (if memory serves), way back when I was still a raw newbie (I'm more medium- to well-done now), but anyway:

When I start a sentence with a space, it gets me a block of...something, that looks like this:

This

A few questions about above-mentioned block, if I may:

• What's it called?
• Is it a template of some sort?
• What's it officially meant to be used for?
• Does it have the same effect as using <nowiki>...</nowiki> and/or <code>...</code>?

And most importantly:

• Is there any way to indent this block of whatever, so it aligns nicely with any previously-indented text?

Thank you kindly. —Xhantar 22:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

To answer your initial questions, the text gets formatted by the MediaWiki software with a <pre></pre> element, which is designed to display a fixed-width font with minimal formatting (very similar to the <code> element). Pre elements can be aligned and stylised like other HTML elements. There may be a wiki markup to space it, and you can always use tables, but

you can also do this

or this

-- zzuuzz 00:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Great! Thanks a lot. :) —Xhantar 01:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

How to make template values optional?

Say I have this template:

Now, if on a page, for example, 'hunger' isn't defined, does anybody know how I can make the whole Hunger/Thirst line disappear, so it won't cause any problems when that specific value isn't defined?— Preceding unsigned comment added by VDZ (talk • contribs)

To do that, you can use a useful little function called #if. Basically, #if looks for a specific variable and will not activate if the variable is not present. So, if you wanted "hunger" to disappear if nothing was placed in that field, the syntax would be {{#if:{{{hunger|}}} <argument>, but you'd have to replace <argument> with a speciic task that you want #if to do if the variable is found. I don't know what that argument is for this specific example, though. PTO 00:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I have a sneaking suspicion this might have the desired effect:

{{#if:{{{hunger<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}|
! Hunger/Thirst
{{!}} {{{hunger}}}
}}

—Xhantar 00:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit while not logged in

I recently edited a page but forgot to log in beforehand, so I was wondering if there is anyway I could assign my username to the changes made? I'd prefer the IP address not to be shown but understand the mistake I made. If I were to revert the page (and then log in and make the same changes), would the IP address still be shown? Thanks!

Sbdlax22 23:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you can change the fact that the IP address is shown, but one possibility is to make a dummy edit on the article, using a suitable edit summary to explain what happened. Other users here might have additional ideas, though. —Xhantar 23:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia looks small

I somehow brushed the lower left hand corner of my keyboard, and now all the fonts in Misplaced Pages are tiny. The whole page seems to be displayed at a smaller resolution. How do I fix it?

24.144.212.113 23:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Na Misplaced Pages is massive at 1.6 million edits. But seriously you have probably changed the text size on your browser - on FireFox or Internet Explorer go to View, Text Size and change there. If that does not work get back to us :):) Cheers Lethaniol 23:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Ah, you hit your control key. If you move the scrolling wheel on your mouse while holding control, the font size decreases. All you have to do to fix it is hold control again, and move the mouse wheel to get the text to a size that you can read. Cheers, PTO 23:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Issue with information for article "St. Patrick's College, Ballarat"

URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/St_Patrick%27s_College%2C_Ballarat

Hello,

I am a staff member at St. Patrick's College, Ballarat, and I've been asked to contact Misplaced Pages to obtain information and assistance. In our article, at the URL listed above, has the topic "History of Student Abuse". The topic defames the College's current operation, and I notice that a lot of people, including some that originate from the College's internet IP Address, are editing the article.

Some time ago, I asked for this to be looked in to, and someone did carry out the request. The article was tidied up for the good of the promotion of the college for the present day, and also the admin blocked our IP address from editing, which I also requested.

Could someone please review our article, in particular the topic I raised above, and the edits coming from our IP address - 203.208.66.79

We would appreciate any assistance and advice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.208.66.79 (talk) 00:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Hello, I've taken a look at the article's history, and it appears as though most of the edits that introduced the defamatory material were made by 59.154.207.218, which doesn't appear to trace back to your school. Since most of the information that seems to be a problem is unreferenced, I will work on trying to remove it.

As for edits being made by your school's IP address, it does appear to be a highly abused address, and in fact received a final warning for vandalism earlier today. If it continues, I will suggest that administration place an indefinite soft block on that address. This will prevent unregistered users from vandalizing Misplaced Pages from your school, but will allow good faith editors such as yourself to log in to existing accounts and contribute.

If there's anything else we can do, please let us know. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Hersfold 00:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

image copyright

Hi,

I'm getting notices that an image I've uploaded will be deleted in a week if the copyright is not explained. I'm really not sure what to do. It's an album cover, which I see on Misplaced Pages all the time, and I believe it to be public domain. I saw Gflores, a former administrator, post an image for a different album by the same band. How does one normally go about choosing the copyright for album covers? The image Gflores posted was 'John Zorn-Naked City (album cover)' for the page 'Naked City (album)'. I'm trying to post 'Leng Tch'e cover' for the page 'Leng Tch'e'.

Thanks, Karl —The preceding unsigned comment was added by K d f m (talk • contribs) 00:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

I'm already looking for the template you need. I'll reply on your talk page. Hersfold 00:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You probably want to add the {{Albumcover}} tag, and also indicate the source of the actual image. Album covers are normally copyrighted, but usable under fair use. More info is at WP:IUP and WP:FU, and -- zzuuzz 00:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Problem solved. :) Hersfold 01:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

February 15

Can anyone help me understand what's going on at the Levitron article?

I got one of these Levitron magnetic levitating spinning tops recently so I was interested to read the Levitron article, but it's just a short section detailing some lawsuit, with no mention of the Levitron itself.

I thought I remembered seeing an informative article about the Levitron months ago, but I couldn't find it. Then I looked at the edit history and it appears the original article was there all along, but someone keeps removing the complete article and replacing it with the lawsuit text. There's clearly something odd going on but I can't work out exactly what. Croxley 00:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Bear with me, I'm still going through the history, but a bulk of information seems to have possibly been a copyvio, and was removed by User:TheGreatScott ... then a bit of a revert war followed , , , etc etc, there seems to be active discussion on Talk:Levitron. Have a read through that (although theres lots there!) and maybe ther'll be some light shed. Post back if you need anything else, — Deon555_desk 01:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

So at first I thought that this was a simple case of blanking. It looked like someone was just clearing the article and advertising their wholesaler website. But then I saw the talk page, and Holy crap!!! Looks like they're saying that we're infringing on their copyright by having some information here. But really, Misplaced Pages is allowed to have a lot of this sort of information - because we're an encyclopedia...we're not selling their product. What a mess though - feel free to join in the conversation yourself, but you won't see me there! tiZom_(2¢) 01:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I did try reading the talk page, but all the talk about Earnshaw's theorem and litigation history just confused me more. As it stands now, after having the content replaced , it's a good article. I fear there are some over-protective editors who will try to blank it again though. One of them even placed this warning at the top of the talk page People wishing to modify this article should do so only after familiarizing themselves with the litigation surrounding the trademark "LEVITRON".Croxley 01:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Category list

Is there a way to get a list of all items in Category:Misplaced Pages templates and its subcategories that I can use in Autowikibrowser?--Balloonguy 02:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, according to the lead section of Misplaced Pages:AutoWikiBrowser: AutoWikiBrowser can create a list of articles from single or multiple categories. I have not used the program myself yet. If you have a specific question about how to use the program, you might inquire on its talk page, where presumably you might get the attention of its expert human users. --Teratornis 16:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Spacing Sentences Of The Same Paragraph

While editing, I frequently find the there are two spaces (rather than one) between sentences of the same paragraph. Is this a policy or what? --Seans Potato Business 03:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

That's just a difference in usage, and it doesn't actually show up when viewing the page, anyway. Guess where I put two spaces. -Amarkov moo! 03:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Just guessing, but was it between 'up' and 'when'? --Seans Potato Business 04:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Us old folks who leaned to type on typewriters were taught to put 2 spaces after . ? and ! Mishatx *разговор* 03:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Key combination?

I was editing my user page and I had a couple of words highlighted. I tried to hit Backspace and missed, hit a different key (possibly together with Shift or Control), and the edit page refreshed with a preview of only the words I had highlighted being previewed. There's a screenshot of this here. What was this key combination? --froth 03:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It is just regular preview (Alt-Shift-P in Firefox), when you have text selected. I have never seen that before. I wonder if it counts formatting that affects what is highlighted, but that isn't highlighted... Prodego 03:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hm.. this is weird. I have the habit of randomly selecting blocks of text while I read web pages.. I was editing one of the above questions (the one about indenting preformatted areas) to see the wikicode behind it, and I was randomly clicking entirely within the text area and I did something weird with a highlight and a triple click or something and the block of text near my mouse click was live-previewed! My hands weren't even near the keyboard this time --froth 04:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

That just happened to me as well. I assume it just changed, since this did not happen a second ago. I noticed the code in svn, it must have just been activated on enwiki. Prodego 04:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It just happened to me again. This is really useful; how do you do it on purpose? --froth 04:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

All you have to do is highlight the text and it is automatically previewed. You must have installed VoA's script pack... PTO 04:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I haven't touched my monobook, maybe it was added to popups? Also, since this is javascript, what did I see in svn? :) Prodego 13:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It's a new feature in popups; there's discussion on WP:VPT#Edit box preview feature at the moment. --ais523 13:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Restrictions on user page content?

I am considering adding a 2nd level user page that will be an index to a couple source books that are not indexed. I figured I'd do it there for my own use but also for use by other editors working on the same project. Is that an acceptable use for a user page? What restrictions are there, and where is that described? Thanks! John Cardinal 03:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Although not up to speed about exact restrictions, I can give you a link: Misplaced Pages:User page. Hope that helps you a bit. Niels|en talk-nl talk (faster response)| 04:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Index? Search

I just created an entry for our public library is named "Newton Free Library." Most people search for it "Newton Library." How to I ensure that when users type "newton library" that my entry has the highest relevance?65.96.205.96 04:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)Franklin4

Create the page Newton Library and put a redirect button on it. Only do this if you know that your article has the highest relevancy #REDIRECT ]. -- 04:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Although probably not a huge issue in this case, if most people refer to it as "Newton Library", then the article should be on that page, and the redirect on "Newton Free Library" (see Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions). If you haven't already created the redirect at "Newton Library", then you can accomplish this by moving "Newton Free Library" to "Newton Library" -- the redirect from "Newton Free Library" to "Newton Library" is created automatically as part of the move. –RHolton≡– 13:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject

How do I add an article to a wikiproject? I tried finding the answer on[REDACTED] by myself but it wasn't anywhere, so would someone tell me. Prb4 04:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Add a appropriate banner, such as {{WP-Tennis}} or {{WP Bio}} etc. ,on the article's talk page. Most WikiProjects should have the banner in their assessment section. -- 04:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

If you can't find the appropriate banner template, tell us the name of the WikiProject, and someone will find it for you. To learn more about the organization of WikiProjects generally, see WP:PROJGUIDE. The section WP:PROJGUIDE#Recruiting describes project banner templates, and you are looking for one of those. --Teratornis 16:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Problems with references

I need to reference mulitiple sentences in a text to just one source. When I add the on each sentence the same link shows up multiple times under the reference section. I want the link to show up just once.

Basically I want to reference one source multiple times in the same[REDACTED] article.

Help!

Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mutaherazad (talk • contribs) 05:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

This can't be done. The best way to cite a source multiple times is to cite it fully the first time, then just cite the author, title, and page number (if applicable) every time after that. See WP:CITE for more information. Chairman S. Talk 07:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The preceding answer is incorrect. It can be done. See Misplaced Pages:Footnotes#Citing a footnote more than once. PrimeHunter 12:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, i think it can be done. Instead of using just <ref> and </ref> tags, use <ref name="?"> and </ref> (replacing "?" with some kind of identifier). The next time you want to use the same reference, do <ref name="?"/>.

It doesn't matter what you put for the identifier, it's arbitrary, and doesn't show up anywhere except when editing. That way, both references will have the "" (with the same number too) linking to the same reference line. The line will show up only once in the references section. here is an example of an article that does this. Scroll down to the bottom and look at how reference number 7 looks. Is this what you're wanting? --`/aksha 12:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Question concerning vandalism

Hello Misplaced Pages, I thought it might relate to a technical issue when I typed the word "Hair" in the search box and when the page uploaded it said "You suck because you looked this up" and then there was a long artical about Nintando games or something like that. I thought maybe someone hacked this page. Please check it out. Regards, Sophia

What you saw was vandalism but it appears to be fixed now. You can revert it yourself in future, see WP:REVERT. --WikiSlasher 06:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Changing a font in a userbox

I would like to change the font of my userbox. It looks like this:

This user loves Brazil

and I would like to change the text "This user loves Brazil" so it isn't in italics or that big. Thanks in advance! --Çiddlər 07:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Replace the userbox template on your page with this code: {{Userbox | border-c = #000 | border-s = 1 | id-c = #FFFF00 | id-s = 12 | id-fc = black | info-c = #32CD32 | info-s = 9 | info-fc = black | id = ]| info = This user loves ] | float = left }}. Chairman S. Talk 07:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Dashes & hyphens.

I saw somewhere in the instructions something about "en-dash"...or whatever. If I want to indicate a span of time : years 2006 - 2007, for example, what do I use–this or—this–or this or something else? Regards, and where will the answer to this question be found? I may have lost it!!Osborne 09:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You want to use the en dash for spans of years (it's this one:–). See WP:MOSDASH for more information (which is probably the page you were thinking of). --ais523 09:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

how do i get started?

i was reading an article on violinist David Cross, and noticed one of his records was missing. when i hit that edit button i get an edit window, in no known language in it, to me. so what do you do to add a small piece of info to an article?? i need by step instuctions to do something the first time, and then usually i "get it". thanks, m.k. smith <E-mail address removed to prevent spam> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrak7 (talk • contribs)

For the first time editting, Misplaced Pages:How to edit a page and Misplaced Pages:Your first article would be helpful pages. PeaceNT 11:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

If you haven't found them already, Misplaced Pages:Introduction and Misplaced Pages:Tutorial are even more basic step-by-steps. (The links PeaceNT has given are also worth reading.) --ais523 12:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Imagemap tag

Where can I find help and the syntax for the <imagemap> tag please? – Tivedshambo (talk) 12:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It's at mw:Extension:ImageMap (on the MediaWiki wiki). --ais523 13:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. – Tivedshambo (talk) 16:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

correct date of birth, year of birth, timeof birth and place of birth of film actress ileana d'cruz

kindly give the correct date of birth, year of birth, time of birth and place of birth of film actress ileana d'cruz who acted in the telugu film pokiri. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.17.249.223 (talk • contribs).

Are you saying the article Ileana D'Cruz has these incorrect? -- Rick Block (talk) 14:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ficoll Trademark

Dear Misplaced Pages, me and a colleagie noted that our trademarked product Ficoll is mentioned without the proper TM- mark. We recommened you to do appropriate changes.

Please feel free to contact us

Turid.carlsson@ge.com or Katarina.Spaak@ge.com

our website: www.gelifesciences.com/cellprep

"Ficoll is a trademark of GE Healthcare Companies". http://en.wikipedia.org/Ficoll

Thanks in advance

//Turid and Katarina

Have taken a quick look at Ficoll looks okay to me with respect to Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (trademarks) which says not to use the TM symbol. Maybe someone with more experience could comment on this matter. Cheers Lethaniol 16:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm actually there is no mention in the article about who owns the trademark, probably should be. A quick google search suggests that either GE Healthcare or Pharmacia may own the trademark - hmm need help on this one. Cheers Lethaniol 16:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

• I've added a note in the article regarding the trademark ownership. The article still needs a lot of work, particularly sourcing and some assertion of notability. TheronJ 16:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

William Golding Article

Hi there!

I've just looked up your article for the author William Golding, and it has errors on it, specifically it states that he was "homosexual" (which he denied in numerous interviews, and there has never been evidence of) and, perhaps more worryingly that "He was famous for quoting "Shak and Kobe love men" in late 2002 after his breakup with Andrea Bonchelli and Rick James.", when unfortunately he had died nine years earlier...

I'm not particularly bothered by these errors, but I was attempting to edit the latter (which is clearly not true) and found that neither the word "homosexual" or the sentence "He was famous for quoting "Shak and Kobe love men" in late 2002 after his breakup with Andrea Bonchelli and Rick James." appear in the source text of the article...?

I suppose the only reason I'm bringing this to your attention is because someone seems to have inserted uneditable material on the article, whether it's true or not. I'm sure this can't be right on Misplaced Pages, can it?

Anyway, I'll leave it in your capable hands, and hope this isn't evidence of some crazy hacker who is looking to besmurch authors and poets by claiming they said silly things after they had died...

Cheers!

Samuel Pattle —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.151.164.59 (talk) 15:50, 15 February 2007

Erm I can not find either of these disputed content in the article William Golding? Cheers Lethaniol 16:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Those edits were added and removed on February 12 , and are not in the current version of the article. depending on how you pulled the article up, you may have been looking at a previous version or the version in your browser's cache. I recommend visiting the William Golding article, and if the text still appears, hold down shift while clicking the "reload" button on your browser to clear the cache and reload that page. Mishatx *разговор* 16:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

mdf

what does mdf stand for— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.15.78 (talk • contribs)

I am not sure of any Misplaced Pages related term that is the acronym MDF. See MDF for a number of possible options otherwise. Cheers Lethaniol 16:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

• Alternately, "MfD" is a relatively common Misplaced Pages abbreviation for Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion, the process by which non-article pages are nominated for possible deletion. TheronJ 16:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

redirects are broken

Hello,

I'm trying to make a redirect from "We can do it" to "Rosie the Riveter". I created the new page "We Can Do It" and inserted:

1. REDIRECT Rosie_the_riveter

actually, i should have entered it like this, apparently:

1. REDIRECT Rosie the Riveter

now it seems that two new pages were created, "We Can Do It" and "Rosie the riveter" (lowercase "riveter"). Neither of them redirect appropriately to "Rosie the Riveter". This is crap, I tell you. Please advise.

thanks, Hymie —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hymiegladstone (talk • contribs) 17:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

We Can Do It seems to redirect just as you described. Rosie the riveter has been around for almost two years, and works fine too. What you couldn't do is redirect We Can Do It to Rosie the riveter because that is a redirect already, and you can't have redirects through other redirects. Anyway, crap or not, it all seems to be just as you intended. Notinasnaid 17:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed the redirect on Rosie the riveter and the redirect on We Can Do It is already correct. Mishatx *разговор* 17:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Someone had access

To my account. See User:Casmith 789/Userboxes/F-Zero. I have never heard of such series or even edited it. Yet it has been done! Under my name too! I was out during this time! For a few days!

1. 15:09, 30 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User:Tedius Zanarukando/Userboxes/User game series-3 (top)
2. 15:09, 30 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User:Tedius Zanarukando/Userboxes/User game series-2 (top)
3. 15:07, 30 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User:Tedius Zanarukando/Userboxes/User game series-1 (Read message at top of category page)
4. 15:06, 30 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User:Tedius Zanarukando/Userboxes/User game series-0 (Read message at top of category page)
5. 15:05, 30 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User:Casmith 789/Userboxes/F-Zero (Read message at top of link I deleted) (top)
6. 15:04, 30 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User:Casmith 789/Userboxes/F-Zero (Read message at top of link I deleted)

• my contribs

This is not the only time this has happened. I did not learn about templates until much later on. January was the month I found out how to find templates let alone edit them. I have changed my password to a 10 character letter and number password. I am lucky that he/she had no malicious intent. Let me know what you think. --Darkest Hour 17:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

To help narrow down the problem, did you make this edit? Did you make this edit? If you had a 'project to remove all the User pages from the computer game templates', then you probably did make the edits above (not realising they were to migrated userboxes). If you didn't, it seems that that was what the other user was doing! --ais523 17:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Could be a variety of things. Could be that you forgot to log out at a public location so you stay logged in and people are using your account. Could be that you have a keylogger (but doubtful that people who keylog would want to use it to grab Misplaced Pages accounts!). As long as you keep your password secure, you should be fine. x42bn6 Talk 17:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see now. I remember what that was all about. sorry abotu that. I wascaught off guard. --Darkest Hour 18:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC) ;)

So you did make the edits, but didn't understand what you were doing at the time? --ais523 18:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

uploading pictures

If i have found an article which doesnot have many pictures in and i have a good relevant picture how do i upload it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.112.240.115 (talk • contribs).

On the left, you will see a link "Upload file". Click that and follow the instructions. Be sure to note that you have permission to use the image (i.e. it is not copyrighted or is but you are still allowed to use it under copyright law) before uploading for images without (valid) copyright information can be deleted. x42bn6 Talk 17:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Wiki logo picks

Ive heard of a wikiman and wikilogo pics. Where can I find them? --Darkest Hour 17:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Popups

How come when I revert with popups, it says "Revert to revision $1" or something like that? That's been bothering me--SUIT 17:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

That would be an error with popups. You might want to report it on User talk:Lupin (I look at that); actually, someone's already reported it. There's a bugfix suggested there that you might want to try. Hope that helps! --ais523 18:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

A user

How do i ask people to look into a user? He completely removed the Cockfosters article and replaced it with a non-notable band. Also, looking through his contributions, he has created an article or two with information copied almost word-for-word off their website(s). Simply south 18:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

If you think you've come across a situation of non-obvious vandalism, and warning the user doesn't help, you should report it at Misplaced Pages:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents. Note that articles copied mostly from websites should be deleted as {{db-copyvio}} (admins can delete them, non-admins can tag them). --ais523 18:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, i have placed a warning today. I'm not sure if the band is notable or not. I also however suggested titles if he wants to create an article on it. Should i have done that? Simply south 19:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I think I screwed up one of your entries.

I'm a new user/editor, specifically directing my knowledge to the future Interstate System additions and have over the past day or so been submitting edits to the I-7/I-9 entry; this included the addition to the main heading outlining the various legistated future Interstate/high-priority corridors. It was indicated that a cite of the appropriate law was needed; I located that information and attempted to put it in, but in the process, it appears some of your initial sub-entry, that of "I-3", including the graphic Interstate shield, was deleted in the process -- and the cite still is not included. If you could, since obviously one of you out there seems to be a little more attuned to the Misplaced Pages idiom (funny, how "idiom" and "idiot" have the same derivation!, my mentioning of which indicates my view of unnecessary nonintuitive methodology and internally-generated jargon, which seems to proliferate when some folks spend 110% of their available lifespan on line) you could fix the problem and let me know any shortcuts to providing the info you need to update these articles. I'm not a computer nerd or programmer (interchangeable?) and have admittedly limited knowledge of the specific ins and outs of your particular process; but in the short time I've dealt with you it seems clear that without time-consuming tutorials (I do a lot of this on my lunch hour on the work computer, and can't learn a new effective language in the short amount of spare time I have) editing is a hit-or-miss prospect; making it a bit more user-friendly (but maintaining a high level of integrity) might be a worthwhile future project of the progenitors of this site. Take the heading up at the top. What the %@#$! are those symbols for, and are they used in the editing process? I was able to ascertain your idiom for cites, but it didn't take on the main-page entry; are you utilizing a slightly different format? I can't get email forwarded to my work computer (lotsa stuff blocked) so I'll have to see your reply tonight. In the meantime, you might want to put your future Interstate page back the way it was before I started hacking away at it. Thanks, Scott P (sparks73).

You accidentally deleted the == at the start of a section header: . (It's since been fixed by another user). Misplaced Pages:Cheatsheet is probably the fastest way to learn what the most common symbols mean without spending a lot of time, and if you have a question about a particular bit of markup you can always ask here. (By the way, Help Desk replies are given on the Help Desk itself, not by email). Hope that helps! --ais523 18:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

False Information about Vanguard

The information found in the article below is totally false and should be removed. Vanguard does not use forced ranking. This is important because we've received press calls about it, and had to tell them that it was untrue (but obviously as a PR person, I can't change it, for some strange reason.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Vitality_curve

Vanguard

The Vanguard Group uses a forced ranking / forced distribution appraisal system for all its employees. At the end of each year, the employees within each grade level are compared to each other and grouped as follows:

10% - excellent performers 20% - above average performers 60% - meets expectations 10% - needs improvement The bottom 10% are put on probation, and they have a 60 day time period to improve themselves, or they will be moved along a disciplinary action track, eventually leading to termination.

I've removed the section in response to this request. --ais523 18:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

And I've popped {{citeneeded}} tags on a couple of the other entries which aren't (obviously) supported by the links in the article. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Changing the case in a[REDACTED] entry's title

I recently edited a wiipedia entry for a person and I noticed that the case on the name is incorrect and I would like to fix it. For example, the title of the Misplaced Pages entry appears as 'Charlie smith' and I would like to change it so that it appears as 'Charlie Smith' with a capital S for Smith. I can't seem to find a solution to this anywhere. Can anyone help?

The Field 18:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You are looking for the move tab, which is accessible to registered users with accounts that are at least 4 days old. However, you created your account today, so you can not yet move pages. I think you are referring to the "Yunsung hong" article, which may not meet notability guidelines. Prodego 18:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Your account needs to be at least 4 days old to change the title of a page. By the way, the page Charlie Smith has its capitalisation correct at the moment, and it never seems to have been at the wrong name. I've corrected Yunsung Hong for you, because you can't do it yourself yet (it's one of Misplaced Pages's protections against abuse; you'll be able to 'move' pages soon). Hope that helps! --ais523 18:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

What's happened here?

Does anyone know what happened to the above section? Bowsy 18:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

{{subst:emot}} has been modified so that it only works with subst. If you subst the uses on your talk page (change {{emot}} to {{subst:emot}} and then delete the TfD stuff), it should go back to normal. --ais523 18:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Michael Ewanchuk guy ...

Michael Ewanchuk needs expansion please work on this someone thanx!

Interlaker 19:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

A userspace equivalent for {{tlp}}?

There's {{tl}} and {{tlu}}, but I can't find the userspace equivalent to {{tlp}}. Am I wrong? Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 19:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

RC Versailles

RC Versailles needs expansion lol.... plz help here ! ... ... Interlaker 19:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Watermarks

We would like to have text print onto any page that is printed out. We would like the designated text not to show online only when the items are printed. Is that possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.151.17.130 (talk • contribs)

What are you trying to print? Please say Misplaced Pages (otherwise, please check the top of this page). Could you rephrase your question? Xiner (talk, email) 20:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

About the possibility of retrieval of deleted pages

Hi.

I created this page at my user space.

I was blocked for a month at es:Misplaced Pages due to this page at en:Misplaced Pages Yes, it is a bizarre thing, see block log in the Spanish Misplaced Pages (14:41 5 feb 2007)

User Drini created User:Drini/randroide to translate the contents. IMO, the translation is (IMO) very bad, and I am going to protest.

But, on the other hand, the page could motivate and indef blocking at es:Misplaced Pages .

• I want the page deleted.

• But I also want the original page accesible for an admin to see what kind of (IMO, bad) work Drini made.

Hence my question: Are deleted pages accesible for SysOps?.

Thank you. Randroide 20:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, admins can view deleted pages. See WP:ADMIN#Deletion and undeletion. On a more general topic, I don't think that escalating your dispute with Drini will help you achieve your goals. Have you attempted dispute resolution? Thanks, and good luck, TheronJ 20:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

How do I add a Copyright Tag to an existing image?

How do I add a Copyright Tag to an existing image?
I've been unsuccessful in finding a way to add the Tag that reads:
"This image is copyrighted, however the copyright holder allows the image to be freely redistributed, modified, used commercially and for any other purpose, provided that their authorship is attributed."
The name of the file is:
Image:RicHoldingShirt2006.jpg
Thanks for any help!
IreneWyo 20:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Go to the page of the image, "edit this page", if someone doesn't do it before you get to it. You have to delete

{{untagged|month=February|day=14|year=2007}} afterwards. I've done it for you. Xiner (talk, email) 20:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Yankee Candle Company

Hi, I do the Public Relations for the Yankee Candle Company, and I have tried several times to update the history page. Every time I go back and check it, the old information is there. How can I make sure the new information stay's put?

1. ...
2. cite

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