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April 25

RD: Kane Tanaka

• Nominated by 4iamking (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Vida0007 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Passed away April 19, Made Public April 25 4iamking (talk) 12:07, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

I think this could also y for a blurb maybe, considering she was notable for being the oldest living person alive (and the second oldest person ever) 4iamking (talk) 12:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support RD Nice article, nothing to complain. Grimes2 (talk) 12:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

April 24

RD: Kaushalya Madushani

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: suicide by hanging a day after being adjudged as best hurdler at Sri Lankan National Championships. Abishe (talk) 07:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

2022 Slovenian parliamentary election

• Nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: And the other election, green liberal party has won the most seats. Still needs to be updated. BastianMAT (talk) 18:26, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• Comment While this exit poll may be accurate, this shouldn't be posted until there is prose and statistics for the result. I also ask whether the precedent for multi-party systems is to post the election result or the government formation, or both. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:34, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Election results are considered ITNR, precedent is to post the election result, see Czech election for example. Jansa has conceded so its done, but yes article needs updating before being posted. BastianMAT (talk) 18:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Elections are ITNR per se, so it can be published perfectly well regardless of the formation of the government. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• Wait -- For more complete returns. -- Sca (talk) 19:26, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment The article is in a bad shape. The timeline is list-like and ends about a month before the election took place. The parties section is weakly sourced. Too many issues at the moment... --Tone 21:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support Elections are per se ITN/R, to say nothing of Europe's first elected Green government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

  Slovenia already was a pretty green place, with clean energy, high biodiversity and more forest than not. Even if this green party minority win turns into a functionally green government after the coalition compromising's done, what more could a reasonably powerful group of environmentalists hope to achieve? If one of the coal countries went green, I could see us saying something. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality the "Timeline" section should be converted to prose, rather than being bullet points. And no prose about the impact of the election results either. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) 2022 French presidential election

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: And the world breathes a sigh of relief. Davey2116 (talk) 18:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• Wait the page says nothing so far in stats/numbers about Macron winning, just that he did in a few sentences at the end. Please fix this. Support Article has been fixed. All issues have been dealt with. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 18:19, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support after updates Macron's is fine, the election article looks like its being updated live but its well-sourced for details of the past so just needs to get the rest sorted. --Masem (t) 18:20, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment I and several others have added some more information to the article and cleaned up bare links, what do you think now @Fakescientist8000 and Masem:? eviolite (talk) 18:58, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Wait his victory seems to be based on exit polls predicting a win, not confirmed results. And we'll need the normal article quality too (e.g. prose summary about results, outcomes, reactions). Joseph2302 (talk) 19:09, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• What you are seeing now is a little more than an exit poll, it's a projection based on counted actual votes. Historically this has been very accurate, and with such a margin Macron's victory is in no doubt. We post US presidential results prior to 100% completed counts based on broadly similar information. That said, we don't need to be in an unnecessary rush here. --LukeSurl 19:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• At the time this was posted, per the Reuters article, Le Pen had already admitted defeat to her supporters. That's sufficient for us to use as an election result even though the full results won't be in until tomorrow. --Masem (t) 22:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• Le Pen conceding defeat happened after I posted the above. And the article still needs quality fixes too. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• Wait -- For more complete returns. -- Sca (talk) 19:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support posting now pending article quality Exit polls seem confident enough to avoid "Macron Defeats Le Pen". 20:50, 24 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by John M Wolfson (talk • contribs)
• Wait until the official results come in. This is an encyclopaedia, not a news ticker, so we can’t post results based on projections and exit polls.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• SupportI added the acceptance of defeat by Marine Le Pen.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:34, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support Obviously a huge deal and a relief for Europe. In all the news. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:20, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support Now that the results are in. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:57, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Wait, as per Kiril Simeonovski. Even if Le Pen has admitted defeat to her supporters, a candidate is elected only after all the votes have been counted. At least, that's how democracy (is supposed to) work? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:45, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Martinevans123: 98% of the votes have been counted and Macron is up by 17%. If that's not enough to show Macron has been elected I don't know what is. eviolite (talk) 22:52, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

  Ah yeah, facts only need to be 98% true at Misplaced Pages, don't they. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:23, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support-but wait a bit He seems to have this one in the bag, but let's wait until tomorrow. 100% of results are in. Macron has won. It is undeniable. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (talk) 23:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support, 100% reporting, clear victory for Macron, LePen has conceded. This should be posted now.  Nixinova   T   C   23:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: Results are fully in now, and they have all been added to tables in the article by Scribetastic and myself, so those concerns should be alleviated. eviolite (talk) 23:26, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Posted Vive la France! – Muboshgu (talk) 00:17, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

April 23

RD: Barbara Sansoni

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Veteran designer and artist who founded the Barefoot (retailer). Abishe (talk) 04:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support article seems well sourced.  Hamza Ali Shah  07:19, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support Meets requirements. Grimes2 (talk) 12:35, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

RD: Johnnie Jones (civil rights)

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

 Thriley (talk) 00:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

• Wait Missing death update, some citations need formatting. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:36, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Why isn't this article at Johnnie Jones? The person at that location is only borderline notable. Black Kite (talk) 05:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  Maybe not history book material, but the younger Jones was on TV and in stadiums, which traditionally helps kids remember. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:15, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Nominated by Hamza Ali Shah (talk · give credit)
• Created by Khestwol (talk · give credit)

• Oppose got stale, sorry. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

  User:Alsoriano97, this happened on the 16th of April. Moskva, which is currently the second blurb on ITN, sunk on the 14th of April so I would say this can still be posted.  Hamza Ali Shah  16:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

  The nomination got stale. What we can't do is nominate news until it gets "older than the oldest ITN blurb" because there hasn't been the desired result. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:48, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) For ITN blurbs, it's only considered stale is it's older than the oldest ITN blurb. The oldest ITN is from 11 April (when Shehbaz Sharif took office), and the airstrikes started on 16 April, 5 days later. So this nomination shouldn't be closed as stale. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:17, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose In that this is still reported in sources as a he-said, she-said situation. We don't seem to have real on-the-ground third-party validation of the situation. (This is also a very real problem with what's happening in the Russia-Ukraine situation too, so its not limited to just here). --Masem (t) 16:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment -- Iffy reports, getting stale. Suggest close. -- Sca (talk) 19:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

RD: Orrin Hatch

• Nominated by 力 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Long-time US senator. Article is lengthy and well-sourced; but a little more cleanup is needed. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 01:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but there are still some cn tags that need to be addressed. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 03:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment adding new cn tags. Far from ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:55, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

April 22

RD: Guy Lafleur

• Nominated by RoyalObserver (talk · give credit)
• Updated by FobTown (talk · give credit) and Yeeno (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Montreal Canadiens hockey player. First National Hockey League player to ever score 50 goals in six consecutive seasons. Named one of 100 Greatest NHL Players in history in 2017. RoyalObserver (talk) 12:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. Woefully under-referenced. --Jayron32 13:01, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Fair enough. I will go through it this evening to clean up the article. If myself and other editors can improve the quality, I think his notability is worth an RD submission. Would you agree? RoyalObserver (talk) 13:46, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  There is no notability test for RD. If you died, and you have a good enough Misplaced Pages article, you get posted to RD. That's it. --Jayron32 14:09, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  I've added citations for all the listed awards and many paragraphs in the Legacy section. The stats and records broken in that section still need cites. Yeeno (talk) 20:38, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  This section is now fully cited. Yeeno (talk) 16:57, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

  Support Looks good at this point. Well done! --Jayron32 11:54, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support looks good from here. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 00:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Many citations tags outstanding.—Bagumba (talk) 05:00, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  Sources added, I haven't vetted them.—Bagumba (talk) 06:47, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support - All citations tags have been addressed. Article is fully referenced. GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
• Blurb Clearly in Shane Warne's tier. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  Absolutely not. HiLo48 (talk) 07:23, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  How do you figure? InedibleHulk (talk) 07:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  Cricket is a game followed by 2 billion people, played internationally for 150 years. Warne's fame is among people all over the world. I could do a lot better than an article from his own city to show his fame. There were articles from all over the world. Warne died unexpectedly at a much younger age. From his article - "Warne revolutionised cricket thinking with his mastery of leg spin..." HiLo48 (talk) 08:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  There are articles from all over the world on every celebrity. I don't know which bureau my CP story came from, but it was meant to show he was lying in state, pretty big deal. Unless you're raised in cricket country and don't know hockey, I get it, thanks for explaining. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:41, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  I know the original form of hockey, and ice hockey. Both are played in my city. There's roller hockey too. So is cricket, of course. HiLo48 (talk) 10:04, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  My town has jack shit for team sports beside normal hockey, curling and indoor volleyball. And even then, we've never had anyone make it far. Must be cool to know so much. I'll defer to you on the big civilised picture. But I still bet I'd beat you at shlockey, one-on-one, no holds barred. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  Nice of you to accuse people of being wrong based on the country they're from, that's not at all racist. Before you respond to me, I know ice hockey and get that he's a big deal in that sport, but we don't post deaths of people from every sport. Warne was one of the top 5 players of all time, and there was significantly more coverage about his death than Lafleur's. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:45, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  No racism intended, and I only meant HiLo by "you're". We all know what we see better than what we don't. I plead ignorance on what leg spin even is, much less how the thinking on it changed, but agree Warne had more mourners and am fine with RD Only, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

  In case your suspicions stem from the Kibaki nom, trust me, it wasn't because he was black. All of the sources described his legacy and career as "marred", "tarnished", "dent"ed or something else to the effect of not great. I'm not going to vote for a dead president who's remembered for corruption, unrest and failure, even if he or she was my closest relative and did arguably balance it out with a decent and promising start for general public education. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

• And I'll weakly support an altblurb that includes Mike Bossy by coincidence. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
• Strong oppose blurb Shane Warne had significant obituaries all over the world. Lafleur hasn't had that level of coverage, and so isn't ITN blurb worthy. He's also way less notable and blurb worthy than the former Kenyan president that wasn't blurb, so posting this would be a clear North American bias in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

• Article looks fine for RD though. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

April 21

RD: Daryle Lamonica

• Nominated by CoatCheck (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: NFL quarterback "The Mad Bomber". Led (then Oakland) Raiders to their first Super Bowl appearance in 1968. CoatCheck (talk) 13:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose for now, as woefully undersourced (particularly the Raiders section). Joseph2302 (talk) 14:02, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

(Posted RD) RD or blurb: Mwai Kibaki

• Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Was president of East Africa's largest economy from 2002 to 2013, so a decent stretch and I think could well be worth a blurb although perhaps his legacy is less obvious than those of his two predecessors Jomo Kenyatta and Daniel arap Moi. Article quality is not terrible, some citations needed as usual, which I will try to fill in through today.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:53, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Support RD only. I would lean RD only. We should absolutely have blurbed Daniel arap Moi, but I'm afraid that Kibaki is not really an adequate substitute. If you search for his name on Google Books or Jstor, there is limited scholarship on him and his time in office - the distinction with arap Moi is quite revealing in this respect.—Brigade Piron (talk) 12:20, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support He was president of a major african nation for 11 years, certainly blurb-worthy. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 13:06, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support blurb as a leader for 11 years- we posted another African former leader a few months back who'd served for a similar duration. A few citations needed in the 2002 and 2007 sections (a couple of unsourced sentences in each). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:09, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Weak support for RD only. His death does not necessitate the explanation that a blurb provides; died of natural causes at an old age. Support is weak because, while the article is very good, there are a few stray sentences that don't make sense and need cleaning up (examples "Kibaki won and was sworn in what remains to be a contentious issue at twilight." Don't know what that means.) but it's a decent article on the balance. If it was given a quick once-over for copyediting to clean up these issues, and add a few missing refs, this would be a full support for RD. --Jayron32 13:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Not sure what you mean by "His death does not necessitate the explanation that a blurb provides". That applies to any old age person whose death we blurb. The point is whether what he achieved in life merits it, and I would think the 11-year leader of a reasonably prominent country is at least in the conversation for that. George H. W. Bush was blurbed after only a 4-year presidency, in which he also arguably achieved a lot less than his predecessor. Not saying the president of Kenya is as important as the president of the US, but I think this is a decent shout. He's also going to be accorded a state funeral. Re quality, I'm working my way through it, will hopefully be done with copyediting later tonight. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:36, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  It was something I read at the guidance for ITN recent deaths, which says, and I quote, "For deaths where the person's life is the main story, where the news reporting of the death consists solely of obituaries, or where the update to the article in question is merely a statement of the time and cause of death, the "recent deaths" section is usually used...if a person's death is only notable for what they did while alive, it belongs as an RD link." Just following the rules. --Jayron32 14:30, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Why must we do this same dance every time? It is bordering on WP:POINTy to feign ignorance of the "Major Figures" criteria which applies to the vast majority of blurb nominations. Every one gets to decide for themselves if the figure is significant enough for inclusion, but invoking this "old man dies" straw man argument is disruptive. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:44, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  I never said that others could not support this using the major figures criteria. It is fine and right that they do so. I've never begrudged anyone for making such an argument, nor ever called it a "strawman" or told anyone they could not vote that way. I'm not sure why your vitriol is suddenly being directed at me. I chose not to invoke it for this nomination, but that's why we have votes. People are free to read the articles, read the news, and make their own assessments of how they apply the criteria involved. If you feel differently, you can certainly vote your conscience on this one. It's completely unreasonable that you demand that I vote your way, for no other reason than you insist on it. I've never done such a thing to you, and I ask that you not do it to me again. --Jayron32 16:09, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support blurb per above Support !votes. Article can use some citing work, but I'll get to that. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 14:26, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose blurb Doesn't seem like a transformative-enough leader or public figure to merit a blurb, and cause of death is routine. The Kip (talk) 15:14, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb 11 years isn't long enough to attribute notoriety to a particular president (vide Bouteflika's or Mugabe's nominations). He doesn't seem to have been a transofrmatory figure either in his country or in the region. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:34, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  As said above, H.W. got a blurb, only president for 4 years, and certainly did less than this guy. Saying he shouldn't get a blurb while being leader longer and doing more than Bush is blatant Americentrism Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 15:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Arguing that doing the wrong thing in the past binds us to continuing to do the wrong thing forever is not a convincing argument. Saying that Bush should not have been posted as a blurb has no bearing on this one. If you want to argue this one on its merits, that's fine, but invoking the wrong things from the past has no bearing on this nomination. --Jayron32 16:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Yeah, but I didn't even participate in that debate, so it's none of my business. I would have opposed it anyway. I don't think it's coherent that presidents per se have to have a blurb when they die because they have presided over X country. And we have Jimmy Carter who is almost 100 years old.... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Hcoder3104 HW did less than this guy? Are you forgetting one key thing that he did during his presidency? Cheers. WimePocy 17:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  HW certainly (Redacted). But being leader for almost 3x the length he must have done more. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 17:29, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  If wars in foreign countries are the key indicator, then I'll see you with Operation Linda Nchi during Kibaki's rule...  — Amakuru (talk) 18:17, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per Jayron32. Not every head of state should get a blurb, only a very select few. I don't consider POTUS to be an automatic blurb qualifier either. And I don't see any arguments for posting that indicate that the death has become a story in and of itself. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:38, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb I don't agree with this seeming trend of giving every former world leader a blurb. It's just not necessary. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:08, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment When Jimmy Carter dies, (Redacted) I know y'all will be posting a blurb. Misplaced Pages should be an unbiased, global encyclopedia. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 17:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Jimmy Carter has a Nobel Peace Prize. And do not even joke about that second part, I'm redacting that per WP:BLP. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:23, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• RD only – oppose blurb – As far as I'm aware, Mr. Kibaki was arguably notable for eastern Africa, but not what could be described as 'transformative.' Also, he died at age 90. – Sca (talk) 19:21, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Support RD, no blurb. Bedivere (talk) 21:41, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Weak support blurb I think a blurb would be suitable for a long-serving Kenyan President and regionally significant figure, but I also think a blurb would have been/in future would be far more warranted for any other Kenyan leader. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 22:08, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• RD When Ready The article's Death section is even shorter than the proposed blurb. That's possibly unprecedented. Needs a setting, at least, if not a cause or circumstance beyond "90". InedibleHulk (talk) 01:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support blurb He was the longest-serving president of Kenya and per Wizardoftheyear. I remember when I proposed Valery Giscard d'Estaing for a blurb when he died someone mentioned that former G8/G7 leaders would merit a death blurb and I feel that's a good rule. However, looking at Mwai Kibaki's death coverage it is being covered globally and held constitutional reforms, won in a controversial re-election campaign in 2007 that divided the nation, and we also posted an African leader before under the count of his long presidential tenure. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:26, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support blurb He was a very important person. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 12:10, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

  why? _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:33, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

  He was president of Kenya... with lots of controversy... if i rmb correctly, some Allah-knows-what boat comptetion in england got a blurb recently. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

  !!!BOAT RACE KLAXON!!! (Is that right? LOL) Howard the Duck (talk) 21:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Support blurb Heavily covered by mainstream media. Deserves a blurb and not an RD. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

• Posting RD. I don't see a consensus for a blurb at this point but the discussion can continue. Also, for RD, the referenced update about death is sufficient for the article, I'd say. A blurb would require much more coverage. --Tone 13:09, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment For those that are in support of a blurb, the article lacks any serious indication of any type of legacy or the like for supporting a blurb like that. Simply being the longest running leader of a country doesn't help. --Masem (t) 13:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support Broke the hold of KANU (founded by modern Kenya's founder Kenyatta) through broad coalition; subsequent involvement in corruption, voting irregularities and re-constituting a new constitution. Article looks mostly fine, legacy and death can be expanded but this shouldn't hinge on it. Gotitbro (talk) 14:29, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

  If we have to dig around in the article to make that determination for a blurb, the article is not ready in quality for a blurb. --Masem (t) 15:35, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support blurb As the leader of his country for 11 years, he had many achievements, which are noted in the article. Included amongst these is the passage of the new constitution, and providing free primary education. If those two things aren't transformative, then what is? Chrisclear (talk) 15:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

  Inspiring Mario Lemieux, among others, to also be great. Have any younger politicians said Kibaki helped them somehow, as a mentor, trailblazer or hero? If so, that'd indicate something bigger to me than being a part of major government programs does. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

  I’m a little confused on the point you’re making. Hockey and politics seem to me two very different beasts. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 22:47, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

  Basic greatness is the same wherever you look. Peers, experts and students either make it abundantly clear in tribute/mourning statements or they don't. You don't need to put things together, read between the lines and form your own opinion when the sources speak directly to the point, as they do for Lafleur and don't for Kibaki. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:38, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Not transformative enough. Kenya is not a top country in the world. By the way, every US president should be blurbed. Everyone around the world knows about the US president and care about him. USA is the world superpower and should be treated differently. In the same way, every CEO of Apple company should have a Misplaced Pages page. Tradedia 22:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Mazar-i-Sharif mosque bombing

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 07:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose standard disaster stub. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support in principle, oppose on quality per LaserLegs Nyanardsan (talk) 10:21, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support because its death toll makes it important enough. Jim Michael (talk) 11:49, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support in principle, but the article should be expanded before posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:10, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose for now on quality. The body of the article has two sections "Background" and "Reactions" with very little on the bombing and its aftermath, except a short bit in the lead. Someone needs to do some serious expansion before this is main-page ready. Consider this a support after that is done. --Jayron32 12:24, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Agree. -- Sca (talk) 12:51, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as per LL and Jayron. Neutral on whether it should be posted if issues are fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:54, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, support once article is expanded. The Kip (talk) 15:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, on quality, now. Alex-h (talk) 17:20, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support, Issues have been addressed, ready for posting. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 17:36, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Still thin. -- Sca (talk) 19:24, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support, I think there's enough there. Sheila1988 (talk) 20:44, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Oppose on quality Notable event but the article needs some work. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:08, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: Should the 2022 Kunduz mosque bombing be added to this nomination, or nominated separately? Jim Michael (talk) 15:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

• That would be better, there was also a vehicle bombing not sure if an article for that has been created. All appear to be related/coordinated ISIS attacks. Gotitbro (talk) 10:45, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. Not good enough to be on our front page. Tradedia 19:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

(posted to RD): Renate Holm

• Updated and nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: German opera singer and film actress. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 01:45, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Length (800+ words) Y. Footnotes are in expected spots in the prose, as well as at the end of each bullet-point after the prose Y. Formatting looks alright Y. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 03:41, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Posted --Jayron32 12:27, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you, but I was a bit ashamed how much was missing in the article. I added now from the GLS and Vienna State Opera obit, and will add more but am busy RL. I wouldn't mind credit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Done. Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:32, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ali Hamsa

• Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

 Cheers! Fakescientist8000 18:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Support Seems in good shape. Bedivere (talk) 19:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• Comment There are two paragraphs with no sources at all.  Hamza Ali Shah  03:13, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Hamza Ali Shah, I have fixed those two paragraphs. Hopefully this article is ready for RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 14:20, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support Sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 14:51, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support Nice work Fakescientist8000.  Hamza Ali Shah  01:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 09:01, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

(closed) Dadu village fire

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• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

• Oppose Sounds likes a rather tragic but otherwise mundane urban fire accident in comparison to something like the Grenfell Tower fire. --Masem (t) 12:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose – Not in the news, generally. – Sca (talk) 12:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Bedivere (talk) 13:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose because, unless it's proved to have been delibearetely started, it's nowhere near important enough. Jim Michael (talk) 14:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

April 20

RD: Robert Morse

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

 Thriley (talk) 18:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose while the Early life section isn't resolved. Bedivere (talk) 19:29, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
  • The lack of footnotes is a problem not only in the Early life section. There are {cn} tags across the prose. Filmography needs to be sourced, too. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:18, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) 2022 East Timorese presidential election

• Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Has been declared winner, nobel peace prize winner and former president. BastianMAT (talk) 10:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. Standard problems with election articles that don't end up being posted: table heavy, prose light. If this is fixed, then it can be posted. --Jayron32 11:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment No updates on results yet in the article. --Tone 11:29, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Hopefully this being posted on ITN gives it some extra attention to get it over the top. I'll work on this myself later today when I'm done my university work, but I want to implore anyone who has the passion and drive to do so, to take the initiative. Ornithoptera (talk) 18:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, support on notability. Will change vote once article is fleshed-out a bit. The Kip (talk) 19:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment also hope it will meet the quality requirements. And sorry for the maybe a bit weird question, but I am new to ITN and asking in good faith. In case there is not much to add to the election article and it won't meet the requirements; is it possible to post it without linking to the election article but just to José Ramos-Horta?Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support Alt Significant election, and finally updated. Not perfect, but I think post-able. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 04:42, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

  Not yet. The article is still severely lacking prose. At least a couple of sentences about the aftermath is needed, for example. Tone 06:55, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• weak oppose lack of Aftermath sevtion and prose on first round results. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 07:18, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support Just added aftermath and campaign sections. Would implore more informed editors to add more information if they see fit. Ornithoptera (talk) 07:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Posting now, the updates are there. Short, but sufficient. Nice work! --Tone 08:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you so much! Just doing my part to help out! Ornithoptera (talk) 18:45, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

April 19

RD: Rolando Hinojosa-Smith

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

RD: Umang Gupta

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jungleed (talk · give credit) and Editfun (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Indian American entrepreneur and technology executive. C-class biography. Seems to meet basic hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 16:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

• Long enough (800+ words) Y. Formatting looks fine Y. Deployment of Footnotes looks fine Y. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 17:04, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Earl Devaney

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: First reported today (April 19); died on April 15. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Moral support since it's kind of old news already. Bedivere (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• • Bedivere Note that RD items can be posted to ITN as long as the announcement of death was within the past 7 days, so until the nomination drops off the page into the archives, this is still active and eligible for posting. Best, Spencer 03:51, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

    Oh, okay. I'm fine with it, then. Thanks for clarifying. Bedivere (talk) 04:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• support - Looks good to go. Indeed.BabbaQ (talk) 06:45, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 08:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Brad Ashford

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:47, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Support Bedivere (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer 03:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

April 18

(Posted) RD: Nicholas Angelich

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

 Bloom6132 (talk) 13:46, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support - Sourced and ready. Good to go as far as I can tell.BabbaQ (talk) 06:47, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
• Weak Support class start Y (500+ words), prose Y, format Y, source coverage Y, sources N: relies too much on one source (NYT orbit). Grimes2 (talk) 08:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
• Posted While I agree with Grimes2 that the NYT obit was used quite a few times, it's not bad enough to be a showstopper. It was not used as a sole source in any paragraphs, and there are 10+ other refs in the wikibio. It's okay, IMO. --PFHLai (talk) 20:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Another Species of Hominin May Still Be Alive

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• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Oppose I see absolutely no text in the target article that contains any information remotely like what the blurb states. --Jayron32 18:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Oppose Also, the linked article is an opinion piece. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jerry Doucette

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

• Length (500+ words) Y. Footnotes Y. Formatting Y. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 01:01, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer 03:50, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Boston Marathon

• Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TrackFieldHornet (talk · give credit) and Dmoore5556 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I'll try to add some more prose of the race itself in the coming day or so. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:19, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Article appears to be a stub. Please expand and give more of a prose explanation of the results. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 21:32, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Article is mostly a statistical entry with very little prose. The point of ITN is showcasing quality content that happens to be in the news. Not merely showcasing poor content that happens to be in the news (and even then, this year, ITN/R notwithstanding, with everything else happening, the Boston Marathon is not being that much on the news either...). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality needs more content like race summaries and the wheelchair results listed (rather than just the elite races). See 2021 Boston Marathon for the kind of race summary I mean- that article made the front page last year. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, article needs a major prose expansion. If that is fixed, this can be posted.--Jayron32 15:25, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Harrison Birtwistle

• Updated by Neveselbert (talk · give credit), Aza24 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Leading English classical composer, operas and other music with theatrical concepts, scandal at Proms. There should be more, please help, but I think what we have is sourced now. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you, - what do you think about the infobox? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support Interesting article. Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 20:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Turkish military offensive in Iraq

• Nominated by Knightoften (talk · give credit)
• Created by Ecrusized (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Turkey launches Operation Claw-Lock, bombing twenty targets in northern Iraq and killing 19 PKK fighters. Knightoften (talk) 17:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems to be a skirmish in a conflict which has been ongoing for 40+ years. And it's not getting much attention -- nothing currently in the BBC's Middle East section, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew.  Hamza Ali Shah  22:02, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is not well developed enough for the main page. Once we strip out the lead, background, and reactions to the offensive, we have maybe like 3-4 sentences of text. That's not good enough for the main page. --Jayron32 13:19, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

  Weak oppose Article is expanding, but not really in the right parts. We have more background and more reactions. What we really need is more on the operation itself, which remains woefully undeveloped. Still can't support fully until that is fixed. --Jayron32 15:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per Andrew. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

*Oppose per Jayron32. As a stub, it's not eligible for the main page.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

• I have reopened this per discussion at WT:ITN, as the article has been expanded and some of the above opposes no longer apply. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose not enough coverage to justify a posting at ITN. Rightfully closed the first times, as only one of the opposes actually related to article quality- the rest pointed out that it isn't newsworthy enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

  Two of the opposes - Jayron and me. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

• Comment will support when expanded, but right now it's still basically a disaster stub. Two operations in a week after four years of relative calm certainly seems notable enough. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:15, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

*Support (change to neutral, see comment below) I have been updating the article the recent days and it is not a stub anymore. The article as it stands has several prominent international/English sources such as Reuters, Associated Press, Voice of America, then the daily Die Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung and the weekly Die Zeit, which are both reliable and probably some of the most prominent RS in regards to newspapers from Germany. Regionals are from Al Monitor, Arab News, Hürryiet and Bianet etc. and many more can be added. And it is not just a battle in a 40+ year war, it is a cross-border incursion by one sovereign country into another sovereign country which has been publicly opposed by prominent politicians such as Iraqs President and foreign minister.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 16:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

• All references in the "Operations" section, which should be the one that should be expanded, are Turkish. The aforementioned German sources are in the "Reactions" section which thankfully still doesn't have the flag soup. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

• Comment – Not in the RS news much at this point. – Sca (talk) 12:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

  Links to RS news sources in the nomination seems to contradict this assertion. --Jayron32 14:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

  Several days old, old chap. -- Sca (talk) 14:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• CommentI am a bit alone in updating the article and there are quiet contradictory sources on the event available so I am not feeling comfortable anymore in maybe promoting an article with the wrong info for a wider readership and leave ITN to ITN. Efficient editing to all.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 03:57, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I feel that the quality is not good enough to be on our front page. Tradedia 20:00, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

  What would you specifically have enhanced? And comparing the notability to other articles of ITN, I guess this one could run. A cross border incursion by a sovereign state into an other sovereign state who openly opposes the incursion we don't have often, and this is what is happening. At least a day or two compared the ongoing Russian-Ukrainian conflict and the sinking of the Moskva for days seems appropriate.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bridget Tan

• Updated by William Avery (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Migrant worker's rights advocate in Singapore, founder of the Humanitarian Organization for Migration Economics. This wikibio is long enough (600+ words) and has enough footnotes. Could use some re-organization. --PFHLai (talk) 17:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support Referenced, meets minimum standards for depth. Spencer 03:47, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support Everything seems to check out. Ornithoptera (talk) 07:58, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 15:04, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

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