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:::I was about to finish it this weekend but I've already delayed it so much, so it's understandable. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">] <sub>]</sub></span> 11:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC) :::I was about to finish it this weekend but I've already delayed it so much, so it's understandable. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">] <sub>]</sub></span> 11:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
::::I wanted to suggest that ], who has eight other reviews open, voluntarily release some of them. Only one of the eight has significant work done—three only have non-review comments, and four have been given copyvio checks, sometimes with a single comment or image checks. At the time of the previous discussion, they said {{tq|I'm fairly certain I can complete the rest before the end of the drive}}, but I can only see one that has been concluded, back on May 31, and two that have received a bit of attention in June: ] has since been taken over by Ovinus, and ] has been given an image check to go along with its copyvio check a month prior, leaving the vast bulk of its review still to be done. I would be happy to add the ones released to those listed needing new reviewers for the current backlog drive. Three—], ], and ]—would even be eligible for an extra half point because of the age of their nominations. ] (]) 16:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC) ::::I wanted to suggest that ], who has eight other reviews open, voluntarily release some of them. Only one of the eight has significant work done—three only have non-review comments, and four have been given copyvio checks, sometimes with a single comment or image checks. At the time of the previous discussion, they said {{tq|I'm fairly certain I can complete the rest before the end of the drive}}, but I can only see one that has been concluded, back on May 31, and two that have received a bit of attention in June: ] has since been taken over by Ovinus, and ] has been given an image check to go along with its copyvio check a month prior, leaving the vast bulk of its review still to be done. I would be happy to add the ones released to those listed needing new reviewers for the current backlog drive. Three—], ], and ]—would even be eligible for an extra half point because of the age of their nominations. ] (]) 16:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::I'm open to releasing any of them. I'd suggest listing them for the drive, I'll try to finish them but if someone picks it up before I do so then that'll be that. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">] <sub>]</sub></span> 23:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


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This is the discussion page of the good article nominations (GAN). To ask a question or start a discussion about the good article nomination process, click the New section link above. Please check and see if your question may already be answered; click to show the frequently asked questions below or search the archives below.

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This is the list of Frequently asked questions about nominating and reviewing Good articles. If you cannot find the answer to your question here, you might want to ask for assistance at the GA nominations discussion page.

Nomination process

The backlog is huge! Is there something we can do to restrict nominations?
There have been complaints about the perceived backlog in reviewing since the Good article status was created in 2006. Generally speaking, we don't want to restrict nominations along their path to GA. In the beginning, as many as 100 nominations were waiting for a reviewer to volunteer. By 2011, each day typically listed 330 nominated articles, of which 260 were waiting. By 2016, 580 were listed, 460 waiting; by 2021, 470 were listed, 300 were waiting. For comparison, today there are currently 638 nominations listed and 472 waiting for a reviewer.
While it may seem overwhelming, a large backlog isn't a bad thing. It shows that many nominators want to use GA as a tool to improve the encyclopedia. It also allows reviewers to choose from a wide selection of articles that interest them. From a nominator's perspective, the main concern is the expected wait time before receiving a review, not the number of articles on the nominations page.
Can't we force nominators to review articles?
Quid pro quo reviewing (editors must review an article before nominating, perhaps after a grace period) was regularly proposed and always rejected as likely leading to lower quality reviews and fewer nominations from excellent content creators who may not wish to review another person's work.
What order do nominations appear on the Good article nominations page?
One advantage of reviewing articles to help the Misplaced Pages community is the GAN appearance order: the more articles you have reviewed relative to articles you have nominated, the higher up in the queue your nomination will appear on the GAN page. Note that above this, order preference is given to nominators who are new to GA.
What if the nominator is a (perhaps dynamic) IP address?
Any editor with significant contributions to the article may nominate an article for GA status (while only registered users may review), so significant-contributor IP nominators are permitted. Non-significant contributors should follow the advice above for editors who have not significantly contributed to the article. Dynamically changing IP nominators may want to clarify to the reviewer that, despite their signature, they remain the same person.
Can I nominate an article I haven't significantly contributed to?
No. Nominations from editors who have not substantially contributed will be removed unless the nomination shows that the article's regular editors were consulted on its talk page alongside a note on the GAN template showing their commitment to the process, e.g., |note=Adopted following extensive improvement by another editor. In the past, many drive-by nominators did not know the article or its sources and did not respond to questions by the reviewer.

Review process

I want to review an article. Do I have to review the oldest unreviewed nomination first?
Thank you for deciding to review an article for GA. You may review any nominated article you are not involved in, regardless of the nomination's age or position in the queue.
As a reviewer, I want to help the nominator improve the article, but it already meets the criteria. What am I supposed to do now?
The purpose of a GA review is to determine whether the article meets the GA criteria. Article-improvement discussions are intended to prevent near-misses in nominated articles that almost meet the criteria. If the article already meets the criteria when you first review it, then explain exactly what you've checked in each of the main criteria (e.g., "I have verified there is no original research, copyright violations, plagiarism, unreliable sources, bias, edit wars, or untagged images.") and list it as a Good article. "Quick passes" are as legitimate as quick fails, although they are less common. Please do not make a list of nitpicky details or exceed the written requirements of the Good article criteria in an effort to make the review look rigorous. Instead, thank the nominator for presenting such a polished article, and encourage them to submit another.
Who can respond to the review?
The nominator is expected to respond to the reviewer's suggestions to improve the article, while everyone interested in the article is encouraged to participate in the review, not just the person who happened to nominate it. Nominators have no special privileges over other editors except that they can withdraw the nomination.
Should nominators respond to reviewers' concerns? And what should reviewers do if they don't?
The nominator has an interest in seeing the article become GA, so the nominator will likely want to respond to the reviewer to improve the article. In fact, all editors interested in the article are encouraged to respond to reviewers' concerns. However, nobody, including the nominator, is required to. If the reviewer identifies concerns directly related to the good article criteria and no one addresses the concerns, then no one should be surprised if the reviewer declines to list the article. If the article does not meet the Good article criteria after the reviewer has waited a reasonable amount of time for the nominator to make improvements, the reviewer is sure to fail the nomination. Future article editors may benefit from review comments on how to improve the article.
The nominator disagrees with the reviewer. Can another reviewer take over?
If your GAN experience is not going well or if you are disagreeing with the reviewer's decisions, then you may allow the review to fail, take the reviewer's suggestions into account, then renominate the article immediately (to get a different reviewer). If the reviewer has not yet failed the nomination, you may try asking them to ask for a second opinion. Other than these, another reviewer does not normally take over an active review. To prevent avoidable disputes, reviewers should either not make comments unrelated to the Good article criteria, or they should carefully label those suggestions as optional (e.g., "I know that citation formatting is not required by the Good article criteria, and I will not consider this when making my decision, but if you might send this to Misplaced Pages:Featured articles later, then that process requires consistent citation formatting").
Does an article have to be on hold for exactly seven days?
No. Whether to place the nomination on hold at all, and the length of any such hold, is for the reviewer to decide. Depending on the quality of the article and the responsiveness of the nominator, a hold may not be necessary. If the reviewer decides that it is, they may choose longer or shorter periods of hold time. The reviewer may even modify the {{GA nominee}} template on the article talk page to include a "time" parameter, for example, "time=fourteen days", and the {{GANotice}} template used to convey messages to the GA nominator to include a "days" parameter, for example "days=fourteen". Keep in mind that protracted reviews show up as exceptions on the GA nominations report page.
What should I do if a review page becomes inactive?
This can happen for a number of reasons. Review pages should only be started by reviewers who are willing to take an active interest in the article and are committed to completing their review of the article in a timely manner. Sometimes another editor (such as the nominator) starts the review page by mistake. A reviewer can fix this by placing their signature after "Reviewer:" towards the top of the review page, but if no reviewer is forthcoming, it may be best to delete the review page: requests for such deletions may be posted at the discussion page. If a new reviewer is truly needed, follow the instructions page under "If a review seems abandoned". Do not use this process to void a review you disagree with.
I failed the article, and the nominator just nominated it again without fixing the problems I identified!
That's okay. There is no time limit between nominations, and this is the recommended process if the nominator disagrees with your review. Let someone else review it this time. The new reviewer is sure to read your comments while independently deciding on their assessment. If your concerns were legitimate, then the new reviewer will doubtless agree with you and also decline to list the article as GA. If the article is passed and you do not believe it meets the good article criteria, you can initiate a reassessment.
How can GA be reliable when a single reviewer decides?
The quality of a Good article is only as reliable as the most recent review and articles may deteriorate if unattended. The GA process deals with both of these issues by allowing repeat reviews by any registered user at any time. The process aims to encourage article improvement and build consensus on quality through multiple reviews—even though a single reviewer makes the decision whether to list the article according to the GA criteria. Any editor may contribute to any review discussion and reassessment is available when the "one reviewer decides" model breaks down.
What if I have concerns about the quality of a review or need to resolve a dispute over the GA process?
You can bring those concerns to the GA nominations discussion page to get help from other editors. Remember, however, to notify all users about whom concerns have been raised or who are involved in any dispute that you have.

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New contribution-free reviewer bears watching

Fantoche Kugutsu (talk · contribs) has, as their first two contributions to anything, started two reviews at Talk:Kendari/GA1 and Talk:Double bubble theorem/GA1 (one of them is my nom). There's no actual content yet. And this is not against the rules, even the expanded rules of the June review drive. But, bearing WP:AGF in mind, I'm skeptical that someone who has done no editing at all (at least under this name) can be a competent GA reviewer. If this is going to be problematic, it would be good to figure it out sooner than later, so that the articles can be available for other review-drive reviewers (although mine, at least, is a recent nomination so it should not have priority in the drive). —David Eppstein (talk) 06:55, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. There seems to be a lot of new reviewers coming in due to the drive, which is perhaps nice for DYK, but not here. Could the coords put a note, perhaps even bolded, on the top of the backlog drive page that's just like, "If you are new to Misplaced Pages or unfamiliar with article writing, you are strongly encouraged to chime in on existing reviews by more-experienced editors, rather than beginning reviews yourself." Ultimately these newbie reviews are not only non-reviews, but also quite discouraging to reviewers—potentially long-term editors—who are upset by seeing their work voided. Ovinus (talk) 17:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
A week later, creating those two empty review pages remains this user's only two contributions. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
I have just marked both for speedy deletion; even if they should return, they aren't an appropriate reviewer. One of the two was nominated back in January, and thus quite likely to be chosen for review during the current backlog drive, but both should be made available. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:04, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Another bad review

Talk:Cyclotron/GA1 is not even a bad review, it's not a review. For physics topic as this, a lot can be said. Should probably be reverted, so admin is needed here. Artem.G (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

David Eppstein maybe you can have a look? Artem.G (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
The review was pretty paltry compared to what I've been accustomed to, but I've been going over the article and haven't found any issues that would, I think, merit de-listing. The writing is as clear as can be expected for a physics topic, the sources are reliable and appear to have been used properly, etc. XOR'easter (talk) 18:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
I agree that the article is not bad, but IMO such poor reviews make things unfair, when some articles got roasted for some minor problems and some just receive GA without any real review. Though ok, I wouldn't argue about it more, seems that Cyclotron is really ok. Artem.G (talk) 19:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
XOR'easter, nice to see you here again! Artem.G (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
I took a look at this for Template:Did you know nominations/Cyclotron. It is missing many citations required for DYK. If I were reviewing it for GA I would have also required them for that. I'm not sure they're egregious enough to re-open the review, nor to quick-fail the article if re-opened, though. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Script for closing

Hi! I've gotten Novem Linguae to do some work on a user script to help with GAN closures. There is only currently limited functionality, but it needs testing. If you are about to close a GAN, and are happy too, could you leave entries for Novem to close here. Lee Vilenski 09:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: and @Lee Vilenski: the article Zombie pornography has passed GA review if you want to go ahead and test the script on it. Etriusus (Talk) 03:20, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 Done. . Diffs for review, let me know if anyone sees anything problematic. Don't forget to add the article yourself to the appropriate section of WP:GA. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:39, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Requesting second reviewer

Please see this discussion. The reviewer Tayi Arajakate seems to be busy, so I am requesting that this reiew be taken up by someone else. Thanks, Kpddg 04:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg: I'll take it on. Ovinus (talk) 04:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Okay, thank you Kpddg 05:19, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
I was about to finish it this weekend but I've already delayed it so much, so it's understandable. Tayi Arajakate Talk 11:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
I wanted to suggest that Tayi Arajakate, who has eight other reviews open, voluntarily release some of them. Only one of the eight has significant work done—three only have non-review comments, and four have been given copyvio checks, sometimes with a single comment or image checks. At the time of the previous discussion, they said I'm fairly certain I can complete the rest before the end of the drive, but I can only see one that has been concluded, back on May 31, and two that have received a bit of attention in June: Bangalore has since been taken over by Ovinus, and Rosenkrieg has been given an image check to go along with its copyvio check a month prior, leaving the vast bulk of its review still to be done. I would be happy to add the ones released to those listed needing new reviewers for the current backlog drive. Three—Talk:Rosenkrieg/GA1, Talk:William Ketel/GA1, and Talk:John Ratcliff (bookbinder)/GA1—would even be eligible for an extra half point because of the age of their nominations. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm open to releasing any of them. I'd suggest listing them for the drive, I'll try to finish them but if someone picks it up before I do so then that'll be that. Tayi Arajakate Talk 23:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of my GAN

Hi! I accidentally started reviewing Talk:Paramylodon/GA1. Could somebody please delete it for me? Patachonica (talk) 13:19, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Tagged. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
But then who's gonna review it after it's deleted? Patachonica (talk) 14:06, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Anyone who wants to review it can, including you ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:13, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

No, no they can't. They nominated it, they cannot also review it. Mr rnddude (talk) 15:10, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

GAN worked on by user that is not the nominator

Hello. I was wondering if it was alright what is happening at Talk:2022 Kentucky Derby/GA1. I started the GAN review on June 4th. During this time period, Jlvsclrk began replying to the comments on June 9th despite not being the nominator to this article. I placed the article on hold on June 9th after finishing the review. The user who nominated this article, GhostRiver has not left any comments between June 4th to June 9th, and has since been inactive.

Is it okay for Jlvsclrk to go through the review as GhostRiver is unavailable or would Jlvsclrk be considered a co-nominator? I have not received a reply from GhostRiver on Misplaced Pages:Discord to see if she is okay with Jlvsclrk working on the GAN or if Jlvsclrk could be a co-nominator. Also, if all of the comments are addressed by Jlvsclrk only, then who gets the credit for the GA if this article passes? Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Posting here rather than responding on Discord to maintain transparency among all parties. The reason I was inactive during the listed time period is mostly because I have been moving, which I informed some individuals but not all. I also typically do not start responding to comments left on my GANs until the review is placed on hold.
My understanding is that there is no right or wrong when it comes to Jlvscirk responding to the comments. However, I have had no communication with them on the matter, and they have not pinged me to let me know that they were going to start addressing the listed comments. I do not want to get into WP:OWN territory by any means, but I am mildly irked that they went through the review without contacting me as the nominator, and I would like to do my own pass over the comments.
With regards to the credit: at the end of the day, I was the one who did the labor-intensive work of bringing the article to GAN. If most of the comments were major (such as Talk:Beheading game/GA1, where the final article product was significantly different than what was nominated), then this would be a different story, but from my quick look-over (again, I have been moving and have not been at my laptop until tonight), it appears most of the edits are small tweaks to references and phrasing. — GhostRiver 03:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. There are parts of the GAN that have not been commented on if you wish to work through them (such as lead / infobox). Therefore, you'd be part of the GAN fixes as well. Pinging @Jlvsclrk: so they're aware of above as well. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
In short though, no, it doesn't matter who actually makes the changes, the GA review is about the article, not the nominator. Of course, that doesn't mean that you can just go to any open nom and fill in the changes... although, if anyone fancies fixing up all my noms, that wouldn't be against my rules Lee Vilenski 19:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

GANReviewTool

User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/GANReviewTool is ready for use. It automates the steps for passing or failing a GAN, including adding the GA to the appropriate section of WP:GA. Please consider installing the user script and trying it out. Please report any bugs or feature requests on one of my talk pages. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the tool, Novem Linguae, it works great! I used it twice now, no problems detected. Artem.G (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)