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I have found zero evidence that the word "Sproftacchel" was ever used before it was added to this article. If anyone has a verifiable source predating February 15, 2021 please add it. ''']''' (])(]) 21:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC) | I have found zero evidence that the word "Sproftacchel" was ever used before it was added to this article. If anyone has a verifiable source predating February 15, 2021 please add it. ''']''' (])(]) 21:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC) | ||
:], I think I considered the possibility of citogenesis, but it's hard to prove either way and we generally trust reliable sources.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>Google books returns by Steve Slack as a result when searching for "sproftacchel", published in 2021 by ]. No quote, but it's probably in there as There's an entry on from February 17, 2021 by "bored boyfriend". (just two days after our IP and his only contribution to UD) Another Google Books result is by Gideon Sterer, published by ] in 2021. Again, no quote, but I believe the term is in there as from ] also uses the word. And also uses the word. And doesn't even bother to explain what a "sproftacchel" is. mentions Misplaced Pages as its source but then continues to use the term "sproftacchel" in running text, conveying meaning. And the used the word as well. It's all <i>after</i> our IP, but this is language. This may already be enough for an entry on Wiktionary.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>And what's interesting is that Google books also returns other books by Gideon Sterer that do predate our IP, but no quotes and buying those books just to see if they contain the word seems a bit much, but there's a chance Sterer is the original source. At any rate, self-fulfilling prophecy or not, photo stand-ins <i>are</i> called sproftacchels by various sources now. <span id="Alexis_Jazz:1657047017081:TalkBWLCLNPhoto_stand-in" class="BawlCmt">— <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> (] or ping me) 18:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)</span> |
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"Sproftacchel" is very likely a fake term and an example of citogenesis
I have removed the term "sproftacchel" from the list of alternative names (diff link). I believe its citation is an example of citogenesis.
Timeline:
- On February 15, 2021 an IP editor added "Sproftacchel" to the "also called" list.
- Editors called for this term to be sourced on October 3, 2021 and November 20, 2021.
- On April 1, 2022 a New Zealand Herald article used the term.
- On April 14, 2022 an editor added the NZ Herald article as a source for the term.
Google results:
When I Google search for uses of "Sproftacchel" that predate its addition to this article I only get three results. I believe all three of these are newer additions to older pages and don't actually demonstrate the use of the term before February 15, 2021. See below:
- enricocorte.net/no-light/ Images at the bottom of this page are labeled with "Sproftacchel". But if you look at the URLs of the images you can see that they were all uploaded in April 2022. I used the Wayback Machine and found no evidence of the term on the site prior to 2022.
- alamy.com A stock photo taken in December 2020 of a photo stand-in is tagged with "sproftacchel". But the page notes that "Captions are provided by our contributors". So this was likely tagged afterwards.
- facebook.com/comfortstationlogansquare is from 2010 and is listed by Google as being from 2013. But the actual post that uses "Sproftacchel" is from June 21, 2022.
Conclusion
I have found zero evidence that the word "Sproftacchel" was ever used before it was added to this article. If anyone has a verifiable source predating February 15, 2021 please add it. Jak86 (talk)(contribs) 21:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Jak86, I think I considered the possibility of citogenesis, but it's hard to prove either way and we generally trust reliable sources.
Google books returns Interpreting Heritage: A Guide to Planning and Practice by Steve Slack as a result when searching for "sproftacchel", published in 2021 by Routledge. No quote, but it's probably in there as it's mentioned on Steve Slack's blog. There's an entry on Urban Dictionary from February 17, 2021 by "bored boyfriend". (just two days after our IP and his only contribution to UD) Another Google Books result is The Midnight Fair by Gideon Sterer, published by Candlewick Press in 2021. Again, no quote, but I believe the term is in there as the review in this magazine from Books for Keeps also uses the word. And this consultation report from islington.gov.uk also uses the word. And this town meeting agenda from the Hingham Town Council doesn't even bother to explain what a "sproftacchel" is. this random report mentions Misplaced Pages as its source but then continues to use the term "sproftacchel" in running text, conveying meaning. And the City of Lincoln council used the word as well. And here we have "Sproftacchel Park". It's all after our IP, but this is language. This may already be enough for an entry on Wiktionary.
And what's interesting is that Google books also returns other books by Gideon Sterer that do predate our IP, but no quotes and buying those books just to see if they contain the word seems a bit much, but there's a chance Sterer is the original source. At any rate, self-fulfilling prophecy or not, photo stand-ins are called sproftacchels by various sources now. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)