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Personal life

I am seeking an update to Personal life on behalf of BP. Bernard Looney is no longer married. There are no independent press sources that confirm this, but I am asking if Misplaced Pages editors can revise Personal life to simply say: "Looney lives in central London, England." There is actually very little sourcing on his marriage in the first place. It is briefly mentioned in the "CV" section of the source that is used in the live article. This detail has not received significant attention.

As BP's representative on Misplaced Pages, I do not directly edit articles relating to the company. Would someone be willing to review this request and correct Personal life? Thanks for taking the time to consider this. Arturo at BP (talk) 16:13, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Arturo at BP. As I was the one who added it, I do not see any real issue in removing it, and have done so. Once Looney takes over as CEO, there will no doubt be more articles in reliable sources that we can make use of. Edwardx (talk) 18:38, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the article, Edwardx. Arturo at BP (talk) 20:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Year of birth

I am seeking another update on behalf of BP.

Infobox and introduction
The introduction and infobox display Bernard Looney's year of birth as "1969/1970". I have confirmed that Mr. Looney was born on Sept. 5, 1970. There are no sources that explicitly state this, but I am asking if Misplaced Pages editors can revise so the detail is more definitive.

As BP's representative on Misplaced Pages, I do not directly edit articles relating to the company. Would someone be willing to review this request and update? Thanks for taking the time to consider this. Arturo at BP (talk) 15:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Arturo at BP Sorry, but we cannot add the full birthdate per WP:BLPSOURCES and WP:BLPPRIMARY. If someone was to add it to a biography page or similar at the BP website, then we could use it. Edwardx (talk) 16:16, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that, Edwardx. I wonder then if the birth year range could be removed from the introduction since it is not specific? Or is it possible to use this Companies House link to confirm Mr. Looney was born in 1970. If this source is appropriate, could you correct the year, Edwardx? Arturo at BP (talk) 17:49, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Arturo at BP Using information from Companies House can be problematic, as it may be seen as WP:BLPPRIMARY. Edwardx (talk) 22:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, Edwardx. Do you think it might be ok in this case since the source is clarifying what secondary coverage says? Reuters, The New York Times, and others note that Mr. Looney is 49; Companies House just confirms that he was born in 1970. If not, I'll continue looking, but I'd hoped that a UK government site might work for this, since it’s an official website. It's also worth noting that earlier this year, Bloomberg reported he was 48. If Mr. Looney turned 49 this year, he must have been born in 1970. I know that usually sources should not be used together, but for something like this, I think it does demonstrate Mr. Looney's correct birth year. I also think the reader is better served by having the exact birth year when there is strong evidence pointing to it. Thank you again. Arturo at BP (talk) 19:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Arturo at BP I have amended the article to born in 1970. After all, it is a fact. And as you say, we could interpolate the secondary sources to arrive at such a result. Some might argue that strays into WP:OR territory - there will always be grey areas. Edwardx (talk) 19:43, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to look into this and for updating the article, Edwardx. Arturo at BP (talk) 22:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Bad Link 1st Para

The link to "Ashgrove" in the first sentence of the article points to an unrelated place in Northern Ireland. Looney's Ashgrove is in Co Kerry, Republic of Ireland.

Thanks.

Help with recent changes

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Hello, editors. I've noticed recent edits to this article that have been made with regard to bp and Rosneft. I do not think they meet WP:NPOV and WP:RECENT, and in places I do not think the live article accurately reflects the sources cited. For example: the article says (bold emphasis is mine) "Looney, by virtue of his 20% stake in Moscow-based oil-producer Rosneft …". Mr. Looney does not, nor has he ever, personally held a 20% stake in Rosneft. That was bp's stake in Rosneft.

Now that things have settled somewhat regarding Rosneft, I'd like to propose updates that I think meet Misplaced Pages guidelines on NPOV and RECENT, and are verified in independent reliable sources.

First, I'd suggest reverting the introduction to how it was on February 8. It seems to me there is too much detail in the introduction about Rosneft (WP:WEIGHT).

Second, I'd like to propose removing the Russia controversy subheading, in addition to revisions of the text to keep it more focused on Mr. Looney himself, based on reliable sources. The following is a suggestion for editors to consider. I invite other editors to use their own judgment and collaborate on the text:

References

1. Gilchrist, Karen (February 14, 2022). "BP sticking with Russia business, says Ukraine crisis is having 'no impact' on its operations". CNBC. Retrieved March 2, 2022.
2. Jack, Simon (February 25, 2022). "Ukraine conflict: BP under pressure to sell stake in Russian firm". BBC News. Retrieved March 2, 2022.
3. Bousso, Ron; Zhdannikov, Dmitry (February 28, 2022). "BP quits Russia in up to $25 billion hit after Ukraine invasion". Reuters. Retrieved March 2, 2022.
4. Reed, Stanley (February 27, 2022). "BP to 'Exit' Stake in Russian Oil Giant Rosneft". The New York Times. Retrieved March 2, 2022.
5. Mahon, Brian (February 28, 2022). "Looney and BP abandon Rosneft over Ukraine invasion". The Times. Retrieved March 2, 2022.

Please let me know what you think of these suggested changes. Edwardx, you've reviewed my other requests, would you consider taking a look at this one as well? Thanks in advance for all your help with this matter. Arturo at BP (talk) 16:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@Snooganssnoogans made most of the edits. Also, I belive this request is unnecessary and am considering declining it. Quetstar (talk) 18:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Denied per above. Quetstar (talk) 14:36, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Quetstar: Inaccuracies and bias have been introduced to the article as described in my previous post. This is particularly important because this is a biography of a living person. One blatant inaccuracy is it is not supported by sourcing to say it is Mr. Looney’s stake in Rosneft. It should be made clear that bp has a 19.75% stake in Rosneft, not Mr. Looney.

• The Guardian "Kwarteng is believed to be uneasy about BP’s 22% stake in Rosneft, the Russian state oil firm, particularly given its role in providing fuel for the military effort in Ukraine."
• BBC "BP's 20% stake in a company majority-owned by the Russian state was always uncomfortable and Russia's invasion of Ukraine has led the government to think it untenable."
• CNBC "BP has had a presence in Russia for over 30 years and is the largest foreign investor in the country via a 19.75% stake in the national oil company Rosneft."
• The Times "BP also confirmed yesterday that it was exiting its interest in Rosneft, where it held a 19.75 per cent stake — the second largest stake in the company after the Kremlin’s. BP made $2.7 billion operating profits from its holding last year."
• The New York Times "The British oil giant BP said on Sunday that it would “exit” its nearly 20 percent stake in Rosneft, the Russian state-controlled oil company, making it one of the first large companies to abandon Russia after its invasion of Ukraine."

Please let me know what you think. Arturo at BP (talk) 18:20, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

I have corrected the stake ownership. The rest of the text is appropriate considering the circumstances, so I will not reconsider my position. Quetstar (talk) 21:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I'm here from the BLP board. I agree with you that the material appears to be presented in a way that emphasizes negative rather than keeping neutral tone. I believe that the additional information provided regarding Igor Sechin is unnecessary. More info is accessible to the readers from Igor Sechin's article, which is linked in the same paragraph, so I can not see a good reason for reflecting additional detailed information about Sechin here.

More:

• After Russia invaded Ukraine, Looney and BP refused to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine. - The source does not say that Looney refused to condemn Russia. "After Russia invaded Ukraine" is also incorrect. We cannot claim that the event occurred after Russia invaded Ukraine since a provocative question was asked the next day after the war began(invasion just statrted), and nothing said about it in the source.
• Also, this is one of the cases when RS age matters. Invasion of the Ukraine began on 24 February 2022 and the all of the sources used for "Russia controversy" section of the article are from 25-27 February 2022. Appears to me that those do not have enough time to properly analyze information. Thus, we should focus more on quotes that peer reviewed reputable academic journals and history books have analyzed rather than cherrypicking sensationalist news articles.
• The way sentences are written flags potential synthesis issue. Seemingly number of sources combined to imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. Abrvagl (talk) 05:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Moreover, Looney insisted that BP would continue to do business with Rosneft, the Russian state-owned company. - this is also not quite supported by the source. According to the source "Looney said he would not speculate on the outcome of growing Russia-Ukraine tensions, but the company would make a judgment call if the situation escalates,", which is a completely different tone from what is written in the article. Looks like a bit of original research applied here. Abrvagl (talk) 05:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Arturo at BP I removed some material as per my talk above. The further comment from my side: I do agree with you that whole "Russia controversy" thing does not belongs to Looneys BLP article. It would more suits to BP article. What BP does is not really about bibliography of the Looney. Abrvagl (talk) 09:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Abrvagl: thank you for your note and examining that content in detail. It is much appreciated. Arturo at BP (talk) 17:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Request to fix small inaccuracy

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Hello editors. I wanted to correct a small inaccuracy in the article. Currently, the Career section that Mr. Looney "sits" on the Rosneft board. Mr. Looney stepped down in February, as noted in this Times article. Can we update the Career section to reflect that Mr. Looney left the board? As always I will not make any edits myself due to my conflict of interest. Thank you in advance. Arturo at BP (talk) 17:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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