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North Africa and Middle East
Why are you artificially inflating the percentage by including people from these regions? The vast majority of North Africans and ME are BROWN. They have brown/tan skin, not white skin. Which makes since because of the hot environment they live in. Instant disqualifier. You can't tell me with a straight face that North African and ME migrants coming into Europe are "white."
Secondly, they are not of European descent. Their genetic origins are not from Europe. Which is what a White person is; a person of European ancestry. The real percentage of White people in the world is 8-10 percent. David5632 (talk) 17:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Please read the article. Many people from those areas identify as White. In part a hold over from colonization by the British and French. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Are you guys going to include Sub-Saharan Africans as White next? give me a break David5632 (talk) 17:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is not a forum for you to give your personal thoughts or grievances about the topic of the article. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- @EvergreenFir: - What reliable sources state that most people from North Africa and West Asia/the Middle East identify as being "white" worldwide? The only sources I see cited in the infobox provided are from the United States census (USCB). Where they consider people of European, Middle Eastern and North African ancestry to be "white". And other sources listing population estimates for Europe, Middle East and North Africa. But the United States does not represent the entire world. And even the U.S. census definitions are not widely agreed upon.The U.S. census sees Middle Eastern and North African people as white. Many don't I also don't know why there is an infobox for the "white" population worldwide if the idea of "whiteness" is such a debated construct that has no meaning outside of sociological contexts. There will never be any "exact" numbers because each country has different views of "race" and "ethnicity". There is no infobox for the Black people page. And the editor who added it to the "White people" page seems to have seems to have done so through American Census standards.
- In contrast, Middle Eastern/West Asians and North Africans aren't considered "white" in Canada, where pg. 10, question 19 of the census source provided in the Canada section of this article shows that "White" is a separate option from things like "Chinese", "Arab" and "West Asian". And West Asians/Arabs are classified as being "visible minorities". In the U.K., people of West Asian ancestry, such as Yemeni descent boxer Naseem Hamed have been considered part of the British Asian community, which are considered separate from the "White" category in the U.K. census In pg. 18 of the 2011 Scottish census, "Arabs" are a separate category from "White/Other White".
- And no sources provided for countries like Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon, Iran and so on explicitly mentions "race" in a context like the U.K. or the U.K (i.e - censuses listing the "white" population, the "black" population, etc). Many mentions of these demographics are just on ethnicity, and may rely largely on The CIA Factbook. Which might not be the most reliable because it doesn't provide the exact sources on where they got their actual information aside from a vague mention of a year's estimate.
- Quite frankly, if we're going to put the debated Middle Easterners/West Asians and North Africans as part of the "white" population, why not East Asians as well? Before being considered racially "Yellow" (or Amarilla/Amarela; and "Yellow people" does not have its own page on Misplaced Pages) in the census of countries like Cuba or Brazil, they were historically classified as "White"(Pg. 81; Quote: the Chinese have been grouped with the whites.), or in some contexts, considered part of the "White" population. As in Brazil, pg. 273 According to research by sociologist Edward Telles. (Quote: The Japanese were sometimes considered white.)
- An article by American writer James Fallows, who has worked in China notes that the Chinese consider themselves to be "White" and talks about having "White skin" in the country. Which differs from other definitions of "whiteness". Quote: White skin (the Chinese like to consider themselves white) and or being a Han (the dominant ethnic group) means a person is good. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 06:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Are you guys going to include Sub-Saharan Africans as White next? give me a break David5632 (talk) 17:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- All of this simply highlights what an impossible concept race is. The definitions will always be provided by those with the power to define someone else as being in a "race" with lesser merit than their own. No discussion like this one can EVER reach a universally agreed conclusion. HiLo48 (talk) 07:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Spot on, mate! --Bduke (talk) 07:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hear hear EvergreenFir (talk) 16:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
vitality level
shouldnt all the major races be a level 3? 216.164.249.213 (talk) 20:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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Add White Dominican (Dominica) to Census and social definitions in different regions section. 175.115.74.173 (talk) 03:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Add White Surinamese to Census and social definitions in different regions section. 175.115.74.173 (talk) 03:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Add White Barbadian to Census and social definitions in different regions section. 175.115.74.173 (talk) 03:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Add White Bahamian and Conch (people) to Census and social definitions in different regions section. 175.115.74.173 (talk) 03:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I have merged your 4 edit requests into one. Please try keep all your requested edits within a single request, as it makes it easier for editors to help. Aidan9382 (talk) 17:26, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
No Asia? Are russians white?
No Asia? Are russians white? 82.213.253.77 (talk) 03:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- The majority of the Russian population live in that part of the country considered to be in Europe, though like 'whiteness', the border between Europe and Asia is a social construct, rather than anything physical. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:42, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
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