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Some significant unsubstantiated information has been added to the article in relation to current events involving the article subject. I have semi-protected the page for 3 days while this all sorts itself out. As this article is covered under the biography of living persons policy, any and all information added (particularly with respect to the current events) must be reliably sourced, preferably with multiple reliable sources. Risker (talk) 04:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

The LA Times cites law enforcement officials in its reporting that she was "deemed to be" DUI. Have added this to 'Car Crashes' section in the confidence that, as this is the assessment of LEOs and not merely gossip or speculation, it meets the standard of encyclopedic fact. Zedembee (talk) 20:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

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Anne Heche has been moved into the ICU and is facing a long road ahead for her recovery according to KTLA 5. 2001:5B0:4FC6:6DB8:C47E:9BF0:98D3:4ADB (talk) 00:13, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Copyright violation in Mental Illness section

Per the template I inserted at the top of the page (only to be removed by an admin), the top half of the "Mental Illness" section was an obvious copyright violation taken from https://people.com/archive/yep-its-over-vol-54-no-10/

The changes are too old and numerous to enumerate. —Danorton (talk) 02:00, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I have identified the original insertion, which was over 10 years ago, in 2012:

• 2012-03-19T01:24:09‎ Symbols100 talk contribs‎ 26,767 bytes +1,875‎ No edit summary

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Anne_Heche&oldid=482644545 —Danorton (talk) 02:19, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

If it's a copy/paste job, obviously that had to be gotten rid of. However, the info given in that paragraph is a highly important piece of the article, and, in fact, the section makes no sense now without any description of the incident. This needs to be rewritten as properly paraphrased from the source material, and there are several news sources for this story. I'm going to put some kind of 'incomplete' section tag on it in the meantime. Peter G Werner (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I paraphrased it to the best of my ability using the source that was already used in that section. If anyone wishes to take a look at it they are welcome to do so. Additional details can also be added from other sources, if any users have access to them online or in print. Keivan.f 04:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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She’s dead 24.218.85.247 (talk) 08:40, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Favonian (talk) 08:47, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't think we need to keep dignifying inane requests from obvious trolls like this. If it's been answered once on the page, then if there's been no change to the status quo (there hasn't been, I just looked), we should be able to revert these requests on sight. It's not our problem if readers can't take two seconds to verify what else is on the page and not make a repeat request; barring that, I can only assume this user is a troll. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist _{(Follow my trail)} 08:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

No media outlets report her as deceased. I have no power of say here, but until her heart stops beating (which could be tomorrow), no date of death should be listed and no usage of was should be used.

YouTube interview misquoted

I tried to make a (very small!) edit to the Nancy Heche quotation about Anne's brother Nathan's suicide. My edit was undone by @FMSky with the note "don't change quotes" (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Anne_Heche&oldid=1104074244). But the current quotation is incorrect. All I attempted to do was correct the text so that it matches the actual quotation from the interview. It shouldn't be in quotation marks if it's not an exact quote. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV3B5oD-nBs&t=724s Philip Kiff 14:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

my bad, i thought it was from a written source. i restored your edit --FMSky (talk) 14:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Death confirmed by RS

Anne Heche has died. She was critically injured in a car crash & died a week later. This was confirmed by her family after she was removed from life support. She was 53. 91.109.232.201 (talk) 17:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Correct. Her obituary is now up on The Guardian. FlantasyFlan (talk) 17:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I see reliable sources only referencing a single primary source, that from her friend, Nancy Davis.. Is there a secondary source that cites a different primary source? —Danorton (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it's iffy. None of the other news sites, such as AP, Reuters, NYT, etc. have independently confirmed Heche's death. Maybe go back to present tense until there's a consensus among sources. FlantasyFlan (talk) 18:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Actually, the only secondary source I see is in the UK, where Brain death describes Legal death, which might be the source of the confusion. —Danorton (talk) 18:40, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

NOT dead as of 11 AM PDT Aug 12

"She was declared brain dead last night but has been kept on life support for organ donation. Her heart is still beating." [https://twitter.com/Nancy__Dillon/status/1558152722062356482 Nancy Dillon Rolling Stone. Yes, beyond tragic. The only reliable secondary source I see is in the UK, where brain death is legal death. —Danorton (talk) 18:47, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

From Yahoo!

Update: About an hour later, her rep told TMZ that she is "brain dead," and, under California law, that is the legal definition of death. However, the rep explained that the actress is still on life support machines to keep her heart beating to preserve her organs for future donation. However, they stated that she has no brain function.

EvergreenFir (talk) 18:51, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

From People:

The family's rep confirms to PEOPLE that, while Heche is legally dead according to California law, her heart is still beating and she has not been taken off life support in order to allow OneLegacy Foundation enough time to find recipients who will be a match.

EvergreenFir (talk) 18:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

See LA Times: Anne Heche is ‘brain dead’ but remains on life support for organ donation, rep says —Danorton (talk) 18:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

That still means she's dead legally. The notion of medicolegal death varies by jurisdiction. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

There needs to be a RS that clearly states she's dead. The only RS cited thus far is in the UK, where they source a friends IG post and where brain dead = legal death. —Danorton (talk) 19:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

We can simply say that the sources say... she's dead per California law. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

dead Moonlightfocus (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

ANNE HAS DIED. LOOK AT THE NEWS…… Wikisteveb4 (talk) 19:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Are you excited by this? Get a grip. There's no prize for first. freshacconci (✉) 19:13, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

FYI- there appears to be multiple non-UK RSes confirming her death now:

• https://www.ign.com/articles/anne-heche-actress-in-films-including-i-know-what-you-did-last-summer-declared-legally-dead
• https://ew.com/celebrity/anne-heche-dead-53-crash-obituary/
• https://nypost.com/2022/08/12/actress-anne-heche-dead-at-53-after-horror-car-crash/
• https://tvline.com/2022/08/12/anne-heche-dead-dies-car-accident-cause-of-death-obituary/
• https://www.thewrap.com/anne-heche-another-world-actress-dies-53-crash/
• https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/anne-heche-actress

Any number of those should be good at this point... Magitroopa (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

They are probably waiting for the MSM to come forward with it, if they can find anyone to pull off of anything Trump related... posty (talk) 19:35, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Footnote

I have added a footnote explaining she is dead per California law. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

You didn't merely add a footnote. You changed the whole article to say she's dead. Still major reliable sources like AP and CNN haven't declared her dead. What you can do is relegate legally dead as a note in the details. FlantasyFlan (talk) 19:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

She's dead. RS do say it. I added another source. My students will tell you "death" is not a clear cut thing some times EvergreenFir (talk) 19:26, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Dead in your definition. But think about why orgs like NYT, CNN, NPR, Reuters, AP still haven't declared her so. An Instagram post by a friend is not reliable. Stop the editing wars. Whether you have students or not is moot. FlantasyFlan (talk) 19:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

No, dead in literally the only definition that matters: the one where the death certificate is issued. Your cultural definitions != truth in this case. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

No. Truth = all organs stop working, not just brain. She is still not dead as people understand it as of this reply. Her heart is still beating. Apple4ever (talk) 18:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Your interpretation of the meaning of "dead" is classified as “Original Research”; see Misplaced Pages:No original research. What is required is consistent reporting by reliable sources that specifically indicate that "Anne Heche is dead." Provide those reliable resources (not tabloids) and there's no argument. —Danorton (talk) 21:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@Danorton: You're exactly correct. - FlightTime (open channel) 22:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I provided plenty of sources to support the "dead" term. This was not OR. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/aug/12/anne-heche-death-actor-dies-week-after-car-crash-aged-53?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other She died here is the the source. AK (talk) 17:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

 Already done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:58, 12 August 2022 (UTC) Peter G Werner (talk) 02:02, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Videos on TMZ

I know TMZ is a controversial source, per WP:TMZ, but they've posted several videos that appear to show Heche's Minicooper speeding through neighborhoods near the crash at a high rate of speed. One of the videos apparently includes the sounds of the crash right after the image of the vehicle speeding by. Another video shows her reversing and leaving the scene of her earlier accident where she has struck an apartment garage: https://www.tmz.com/2022/08/08/anne-heche-new-video-fly-down-alley-before-hit-run/ Peter G Werner (talk) 02:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Also worth noting: LA station KTTV Fox 11 News is reporting this video as authentic: https://www.foxla.com/news/anne-heche-in-coma-after-fiery-mar-vista-crash Peter G Werner (talk) 03:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

drinking during podcast

This information has been confirmed by numerous sources (and anyone can pull this up). It should be added to the article in the crash section. 50.111.25.27 (talk) 07:34, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

If you can provide RS that are robust enough for a BLP that support this then go ahead and add it... Unbh (talk) 08:49, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

However, what's also come out in the reporting about Heche being drunk during her most recent podcast episode is 1) The podcast was posted the *day before* her accident, and 2) her co-host claims it was recorded several days prior to it being posted. Hence, unless that person is lying, the podcast does not give an account of her sobriety on the day of the accident and should not be reported as such. If there's a reliable source disputing her co-host's account, that's a different story. Peter G Werner (talk) 05:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

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Anne heche has not died. She is on life support and not expected to live but she is still on life support. I work for a news station in Los Angeles 68.225.236.131 (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

She is reportedly dead in the legal sense per California law. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

That belongs in the article as a detail, but not to be used to write that she's dead. Nowhere in Misplaced Pages's guidelines does it say legal death means death. Check out Natalee Holloway. FlantasyFlan (talk) 19:27, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@FlantasyFlan https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/entertainment/anne-heche-family-statement/index.html EvergreenFir (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Expectation she will die is not death. Get an NYT, AP, CNN, or another source to say she's dead, and you're more than welcome to make the edit. FlantasyFlan (talk) 19:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Are the dozen sources already saying it not sufficient? It's not an expectation that she will die. She is dead and machines are keeping her tissues oxygenated prior to removal. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

The dozen sources are all citing her friend's Instagram post claiming she's legally dead. It's about quality, not quantity. Stop vandalizing. FlantasyFlan (talk) 19:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Stop calling this vandalism when it's a content dispute. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:41, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

No, it's not a content dispute, this is vandalism. This is clearly a violation of W:RS. "The malicious removal of encyclopedic content, or the changing of such content beyond all recognition, without any regard to our core content policies of neutral point of view (which does not mean no point of view), verifiability and no original research, is a deliberate attempt to damage Misplaced Pages." Again, CNN, NPR, NYT, WAPOST, ABC, CBS, NBC, CBC all haven't said she's dead. You know this, but you keep the vandalism going. Shame on you. FlantasyFlan (talk) 19:46, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

She never got this much attention when she was alive... posty (talk) 19:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Here you go, the liberal rags are starting to weigh in.... posty (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/anne-heche-dead-at-53-following-car-crash/ar-AA10BiJI?cvid=95497e296dec4cd3ada97f6b49f00edd posty (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

The LA Times is now saying that she has been "removed from life support", which should end any doubt.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Death

I think you need to change what you’re saying about her being dead Anne Heche is not dead she’s on life-support right now so technically she’s not dead and I think all of your being disgusting saying that she’s dead when she’s not dead yet. And her family would help hold out she might come out of this alive and well in walking round you never now I think the families giving up too soon and I think you people are telling false truth she’s not dead 71.209.210.201 (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

She is "brain dead", no one comes back from that.... posty (talk) 20:00, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

She has been declared dead according to California law, so she is dead.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I replied to someone else earlier, but simply put, a state legal definition of death is not appropriate or intended for an encyclopedic article. 76.88.250.233 (talk) 21:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Her death has been confirmed in several reliable sources. Doctors are harvesting organs for transplant donation. Cullen328 (talk) 21:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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I am requesting that "and was removed from life support the the following day on August 12" be removed from "Heche was declared brain dead a few hours later on August 11" until more than one news outlet confirms that she has indeed been removed from life support, since it seems that the public is getting conflicting news reports from multiple news outlets as to whether or not life support for Heche has been stopped. 2600:1700:C960:2270:A157:7BF:DF02:2DDA (talk) 01:44, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

So, "and was removed from life support the the following day on August 12" being put in the article based on only ONE news outlet is allowed, but requesting that it be removed *until* more than one outlet reports it needs to have a consensus? I thought it was Misplaced Pages policy/guideline that any information placed in an article had to have more than one reference attached in order for the information to be valid/credible? I mean, no other news outlet, other than the Los Angeles Times, is reporting that Heche has been taken off life support. Or, should I need to quote you Misplaced Pages policy stating that more than one reference needs to be used for any information that is to be placed in an article? 2600:1700:C960:2270:A157:7BF:DF02:2DDA (talk) 02:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done So, apparently, another editor went through & removed was what the incorrect half of the sentence in question. In fact, I read an AP article late last night that stated that Heche's family has been told she'll be taken off life support as early as today (Saturday) or as late as Tuesday, depending on how long the process takes of evaluating which of her organs are viable enough for donation & if a match can be found for any of her organs deemed viable enough. 2600:1700:C960:2270:A157:7BF:DF02:2DDA (talk) 11:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

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Need to add that Anne Heche won National Board of Review Film award best supporting actress for Wag the Dog/Donnie Brasco 2603:8000:CA00:15C8:55BF:89A0:9630:D6D5 (talk) 18:58, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:15, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

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Add James Tupper as partner as they dated almost ten years and share a child. 2601:151:C304:A8B1:7861:819:444B:11B8 (talk) 12:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done - He's now in the infobox. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 15:46, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Number of deceased siblings incorrect

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Anne Heche did not have 4 deceased siblings. The number should be 3. 2601:200:4500:ADB:1C46:A94A:4CFD:15A1 (talk) 17:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

It's confusingly written; Anne is supposed to count as one of the four. The wording could be improved. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:43, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

I have changed it and it should hopefully be more clear now. In that same paragraph, I changed "Heche" to "Anne" as it is referring to the whole family, and thus "Heche" can be confusing. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 17:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Unseemely Haste to Declare her dead - Editing Misplaced Pages is not a contest

Is it just me or does anyone else wonder why some people are in such a rush to edit this page to report Anne Heche's death?

Editing Misplaced Pages is not a contest and there are no prizes for being 1st to add/update information in an article. I suspect some people just love to have the bragging rights for being 1st but such ego-centric editing seems very unseemly to me! There would be no harm in just leaving the page alone for a day or so, until there is more certainty about the facts. 95.150.59.155 (talk) 22:21, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Any idiot anywhere can edit a Misplaced Pages article. What's desired is that accurate information appear before inaccurate information, and that's a legitimate concern. —Danorton (talk) 22:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

She is indisputably dead now so any further discussion of this is a waste of time. Many editors like to work on breaking news including the deaths of celebrities. As long as those editors base their work on summarizing actually reliable sources, there is nothing wrong with it, because it improves the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 00:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

She is not indisputably dead. She is brain dead, but her heart is still pumping. Every article I found - even ones who say she is dead - all say the same thing. Apple4ever (talk) 02:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

But brain dead is legally dead, no? Her heart is still pumping because they're looking to see what organs can be donated. Calling her alive feels like a technicality when the thing that made Anne Heche Anne Heche - the brain - is dead. 69.119.69.199 (talk) 04:56, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Hm, you don't think that the physical body is also Anne Heche? Seems that calling her "dead" is also a technicality. Perhaps we should wait for Rigor Mortis? Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

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Regarding her being near-death, the article states that "she was in a coma in extremely critical condition." Critical condition is an absolute. One cannot be extremely critical any more than one can be extremely pregnant or extremely dead. Total article is locked for editing, but this correction should be made ("she was in a coma in critical condition"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgw1009 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done Nythar 00:58, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Brain dead?

I am curious whether there is anything in the MOS or otherwise that deals with determination of death status? By most modern definitions brain death is considered equivalent to "death", but obviously if she's on ventilation her body is still "alive". Do we just wait until sources explicitly say "Anne Heche dies" or do we extrapolate that because sources now say she is brain dead that she's now considered "dead"? — Crumpled Fire • contribs • 16:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Her family is reporting a severe anoxic brain injury and that she is "not expected to survive". As a matter of WP:BLP policy, we cannot say that she is dead until that is confirmed by reliable sources. Extrapolation would be Original research, which is not permitted. Cullen328 (talk) 17:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I refer you to the related Misplaced Pages article, which applies in the United States, where Heche was being treated: Uniform Determination of Death Act. —Danorton (talk) 18:35, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@Danorton The Uniform Determination is model legislation which must be passed by the respective states to be in force. California has implemented it but not all states have. That said, all 50 use some form of brain death as a definition. Further, the model act is undergoing revision this year per: . The field has evolved over the past 40 years. Blainster (talk) 01:25, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

1. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35102538/

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edit needed: 'from homosexuality' change 'from homosexuality' to 'AIDs likely due to homosexual activity' homosexuality is a not a terminal illness! Linguistics72 (talk) 23:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

that is not in the article. perhaps it was vandalism. Rmhermen (talk) 23:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

You're referring to the " three months after the death of his father" quote, right? That's a direct quote in the Nancy Heche interview. I've listened to it a few times to clarify, and that's what she said in the interview. Anyone else have any opinions? $chnauzer 23:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Given this is a bio of Anne, Nancy's homophobic rant reads as WP:UNDUE. I would strike the whole paragraph, then up where we have Anne claiming it was suicide, add "though their mother Nancy disputes this" or similar. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

No objections to that option. $chnauzer 00:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

The fact that Nancy Heche is homophobic is neither here nor there. It needs to be once again noted that Misplaced Pages is WP:NOTCENSORED for offensive content, nor statements that are disrespectful toward the subject of the article as long as they are relevant and newsworthy. That said, there is an entire article on Nancy Heche, and the material on Anne's mother does take up WP:UNDUEWEIGHT in the section about her family. Peter G Werner (talk) 00:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

What I meant is that I have no trouble getting rid of the quote. I'll do it myself in a bit.$chnauzer 00:42, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

So let it be written. So let it be done. I've revised the section to get rid of the objectional quote. Believe me, I also object to Nancy Heche's statement.$chnauzer 00:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

 Already done Jack Frost (talk) 12:09, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Damage suffered by home occupant

There's an ongoing statement that I think is very one-sided:

The tenant of the house sustained minor injuries

I've added the following:

but said that she and her pets were almost killed, and that she had lost all of her personal property to the fire.

The latter has been removed twice, in my opinion, wrongfully.

Stating that the tenant "sustained minor injuries" while excluding any mention of the extensive damage that this person suffered comes across to me as very one-sided, actually dismissive. If you want to make a case that the condition of the occupant isn't relative to the article at all, I'm game. But keeping that in, but mentioning only the lack of injury and not the extensive property damage is excedingly one-sided and really goes against WP:NPOV. I am also game for shortening the second part of the sentence for brevity. Peter G Werner (talk) 05:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

OK, shortened it to:

The tenant of the house sustained minor injuries, but suffered extensive property loss.

I think in that form it's balanced without taking up undue weight. Peter G Werner (talk) 05:32, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

"Almost killed" was subjective from the tenant's perspective. We don't need to clutter a bio with details like that, unless someone creates a wiki called "The Death of Anne Heche" and can provide detailed information on how close said tenant AND her pets came to dying. Property damage certainly speaks to the severity of the crash (although "structurally compromised" just before the sentence should be self-explanatory), and I was wrong to remove that part. The current wording works and speaks to the collision. Wyliepedia @ 06:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

My intention with that sentence was NOT to be dismissive of the tenant's injuries, property loss, or near-loss of life. The sentence originally read, "The tenant was not injured," and that's it, with an outdated source that was written before the tenant pursued medical treatment for her injuries. I only amended it to state that she did, in fact, suffer injuries in the fire, and I added an updated source supporting that. The source specifically stated that she suffered "minor injuries," so I used their wording.

Please remember, in the future, to assume good intentions of other editors. Afddiary (talk) 11:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I am assuming good faith, but the sentence as it was written comes across as one-sided and dismissive, regardless of intent. Anyway, I'm fine with either the version that seems to be stable now, or the shorter version I wrote. Seems like there's consensus now. Peter G Werner (talk) 22:07, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Death

Remove the last line `Life support was turned off on Aug 12' as numerous sources claim that life support is still being provided until such time as the organ procurement foundation can determine which organs are still viable and find recipients for them, expected to be sometime between Saturday Aug 13 and Tuesday Aug. 16

She passed away 190.167.72.164 (talk) 05:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Source? Keivan.f 05:10, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Youtube video indicating that she's being kept on life support after a car accident https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dkhfp19hq4 Skysong263 (talk) 06:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

At this point, and until there is verifiable information to the contrary, we must regard her as still alive, albeit with the aid of life support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:EA01:1090:6D66:A8A3:E0B1:DFD4 (talk) 07:16, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

She's brain dead. So we might as well report her as dead. ] | ] (old page: ]) (talk) 13:00, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sunday-times/lifestyle/2022-08-12-anne-heche-declared-brain-dead-will-be-taken-off-life-support-report/ ] | ] (old page: ]) (talk) 13:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

She might be brain dead but she's not ‘legally dead’ and her body is still functioning.

Keivan.f 14:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes her body is still functioning, but she HAS been declared Legally Dead.

If one is "brain dead" in California, they are dead... "(a) An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead." posty (talk) 18:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

https://people.com/tv/anne-heche-dead/ posty (talk) 18:58, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

It’s strange to use a state legal definition of death rather than other, more appropriate definitions. Would Terri Schiavo be listed as deceased on Misplaced Pages while her body was still alive and the legal case regarding her life support was still pending? Of course not. This was a premature and incorrect move on the part of whoever made this edit. Why does the word “brain” precede the word “dead” in instances such as these? Because, medically, the person is not fully dead. Legal definitions are used to aide in resolving legal matters, not for encyclopedic entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.250.233 (talk) 21:28, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Legal definitions are useful for the legal process, but for outside of that its standard to use when the heart stops, because that is when life processes start terminating. Apple4ever (talk) 18:47, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, we have used, and should continue to use the "know it when you see it" dead definition. Even if a vegetative state is there "It, uh, senses life. I mean, uh, it turns towards the sun. It's alive, isn't it?" 2600:1700:2BBA:2C10:F0FB:AFD6:5D84:A736 (talk) 02:22, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

forgot to put citation for quote

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073631/quotes/qt0259376 2600:1700:2BBA:2C10:F0FB:AFD6:5D84:A736 (talk) 02:23, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

EW article has both 11th Augusgt AND 12th August listed as date of death https://ew.com/celebrity/anne-heche-cause-death-smoke-inhalation-thermal-injuries/?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_entertainmentweekly&utm_content=new&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=62fd848d6c26260001920f13

References

1. https://www.lifesharing.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/castatelaw.pdf

Immaterial, we have access to the coroner report itself which has the specified date. Rusted AutoParts 02:18, 18 August 2022 (UTC)