Misplaced Pages

• Have a look at this edit. I removed the image Image:United_Federation_of_Planets_flag.png from your userpage. This is a fair use image and may not be used on userpages per Misplaced Pages:Fair use criteria item #9. --Durin 13:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Kerlin Gallery

I need assistance changing my username from 'Kerlin Gallery' to 'info'...can you help me. --86.43.79.253 14:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• This is what you need to do; log in as User:Kerlin Gallery, go to WP:CHU and follow the instructions. That's all. --Durin 14:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Oalogo2.jpg

I have created a new image for the OA templates - Image:OAArrowDevice.svg and Image:OAArrowVigil.svg. --NThurston 18:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• I saw, quite a few days ago :) I don't care what happens to the image I uploaded. It was the one and only time I created a substitute for a fair use image that I removed from a template. Nobody was ever really satisfied with that image, and I expected it to eventually be replaced anyways. --Durin 20:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Myself as a albums wikiprojects

Hi,

For some reason i have been blocked from editing completely everything on wikipedia. I have been a member for over a year now and feel that it is very unfair that i am blocked. Is there any chance thet i can get unbloked? Thank you. DuranDuran 12:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• You haven't been blocked. When you are blocked, the only things you can edit are your talk page and your userpage. Since you posted here, on my talk page, you have not been blocked. I checked your block log as well at , and you've never been blocked. What problems in particular are you experiencing in editing? Also, you had two fair use tagged images on your userpage. I removed them as they are not allowed to exist on your userpage per Misplaced Pages:Fair use criteria item #9. --Durin 13:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

User Name Change

Hello. I wish to change my user name. On the "Changing Username" wiki page it says specifically to not "copy the format of the last request on the page" but to use the template. So I hope the following is the right way to do it, since I really don't want to anger any admin:

Stop_The_Lies → Maîtresse

• Current name: Stop_The_Lies (talk • contribs)
• Requested name: Maîtresse (change username)
• Reason: Current user name attacked as trying to impose 'propaganda' & discredit others' contributions, also, current user name made as angry response to an article. -- Stop The Lies 00:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

Is that a proper request? Thank you so much for your time! Stop The Lies 00:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

• The request looks properly formatted. Now all you need to do is post it to WP:CHU. --Durin 02:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Question:

Please, about placing photo substituting of Angelina Jolie on my User page. --Mahal11 19:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• And your question is...? Also, I removed a fair use image (Image:Ogame.JPG) from your userpage per Misplaced Pages:Fair use criteria item #9. --Durin 19:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you placing photo substituting of Angelina Jolie on my User page?--Mahal11 18:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

• No. --Durin 04:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Why?? It is absurd! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahal11 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• Because while some users are happy to help others design their userpages, I prefer to focus my efforts elsewhere. I'm sure if there are free license images of her available that you will find them and be able to place them on your userpage. --Durin 01:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Almost ready

Hi there: I've answered the questions. I'm not quite ready to transclude it yet (want to give it at least one more read through) but thought maybe you might also want to check it over and see if I've made any egregious errors or if anything looks less than good. Thanks so much for the detailed and thorough nomination! Heimstern Läufer 20:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Looks good with two exceptions: 1) Don't forget to accept the nomination. 2) Minor correction in wording on the third question. Change "try simply ignore this" to "try to simply ignore this". When you do transclude, don't forget to update the time stamp on the RfA to be equivalent to when you transcluded it to WP:RFA. Looks great otherwise. --Durin 20:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  • It's done. I had panned to accept the nomination as the last thing before transcluding. Anyway, it's live now. Let's see what happens. Heimstern Läufer 21:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

fair-use or no?

In the article on Christopher Eccleston there is no fair-use image introducing the article (i.e. in the infobox), but accompanying each paragraph describing specific characters he has portrayed, there is a fair-use image of the character accompanying. I question the validity of that fair-use claim since there is nothing significant about his portrayal of those characters that would require a specific image, i.e. he doesn't look particularly different, nor do the images convey anything particularly unusual about his portrayal -- effectively, just how he looks. What's your thoughs on this? — pd_THOR | 20:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• It's overkill. A depiction of his appearance in each movie on that movie's page would be fine, but not all over this article. --Durin 20:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Coat of Arms

You removed the coat of arms of Canada from the Template:Infobox Canadian government departments. I understand why. What I would like to bring to question is why then is it alright to put it on Template:Infobox Country or territory? → Icez {talk | contrib} 03:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

• Because that coat of arms image does not actually exist on the template. When that template is invoked, it is called with the image such that it appears on the article where it is invoked, but does not appear on the template. Appearing on the template is not permitted. Appearing on the article is fine. Does that help explain? --Durin 04:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

It does! Thanks for clearing up!:) → Icez {talk | contrib} 17:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

• Happy to help :) --Durin 17:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi

I love you. 71.93.12.88 03:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

How old are you and what's your name? 71.93.12.88

Image:UDaytonLogo.jpg

• It is orphaned because a fair use image must be used in a main namespace article in order not to be orphaned. Templates, userpages, project space, etc do not count towards this. The image is also a replica of Image:Udlogo.gif, which is used on the University of Dayton article. If you have questions about this, I'd be happy to help. --Durin 17:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Gotcha - I didn't realize that image was on University of Dayton - Do you think you could help fix that template? I'm not really good at that, and I just copied it from another Userbox. Now the image is too big, and the whole template looks like crap. You can go ahead and delete the image I uploaded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonathonReinhart (talk • contribs) 17:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I do not fix userboxes as a general rule. I just remove fair use images violations from them. I'll go ahead and delete the image. --Durin 17:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Ok, I am all for having proper licensing for everything on Misplaced Pages. How can I go about getting a properly licensed image for the userbox? Several other of my friends from UD also contribute to wikipedia and I want them to have a nice userbox with our logo. Should I see if one can be released to public domain? or is there another license that applies to the userboxes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonathonReinhart (talk • contribs) 17:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
    • There are two basic types of images at Misplaced Pages; those available under a free license and those that are copyrighted and used here under terms of fair use. We try to limit the amount of fair use images used as they are problematic with regards to copyright. You can try contacting University of Dayton to gain release of their logo(s) under a free license, but it is very unlikely they would make such a release. Thus, any official logo for UD is not going to be allowed in the userbox. For alternatives, see what people have done with university userboxes at Misplaced Pages:Userboxes/Education/United States. --Durin 17:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

CD template

You do realize the template is just name after the article right? Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center, notice its not called CT ... It seems your comments in reply to me were assumnig bad faith. --NuclearZer0 19:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• I think you're assuming bad faith on my part :) Of course I realize what you're saying above. I still see this as an ongoing dispute over whether to call it a conspiracy theory or hypothesis. Regardless of the outcome of that debate, there should be one template, not two. --Durin 19:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair use image use

I did not upload the images. I found them on other pages within wikipedia. --ⅮⅭⅭⅬⅩⅩⅤⅠⅠ 20:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

for example you removed this Template:Cities of Kent County, Michigan, however if you looked here Kent County, Michigan the image is still there. I hope you know what your doing. --ⅮⅭⅭⅬⅩⅩⅤⅠⅠ 20:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

here is another Wayne County, Michigan. So why is ok on the one page but not my Template:Cities of Wayne County, Michigan? --ⅮⅭⅭⅬⅩⅩⅤⅠⅠ 20:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

• It is acceptable for a copyrighted image to appear on an article if it contributes significantly to the article. It is not acceptable for it to appear on a template. I removed the images you added to the templates. I did not touch any articles in removing those images. Per our policies at Misplaced Pages:Fair use criteria item #9, copyrighted images may not be used on templates. Does that help clarify? --Durin 21:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Crystal ty. --ⅮⅭⅭⅬⅩⅩⅤⅠⅠ 21:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Limited licenses

You may be interested to know that a user recreated Template:Limited license. I tagged it with {{tfd}} with intent to nominate it for deletion, then reverted when I realized how confusing the contemporary circumstances were. Do you consider it appropriate to delete? If so, on what rationale? Also, please note Category:Limited license images. I would like to nominate them because they are blank and unnecessary. I would, however, support redirecting the template to the appropriate non-free license. I would appreciate your thoughts (and insight from deleted pages). Regards, Iamunknown 05:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

• The history behind it is that an organization (I think, not sure, it was National Geographic) permitted Misplaced Pages to use some images under a limited license. Brad Patrick set up the agreement with them. The images were used for a time, and then became unused. I happened across them, contacted various parties involved, and deleted the images and the template. Later, the template was re-created as a honeypot; it's a trap. If an image is tagged with that license tag, it automatically puts it up for speedy deletion. I don't think there are image currently using the tag. I've deleted the associated category. --Durin 15:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Do you think its a good idea to put the template in Category:Image copyright tags and also an includeonly-category to include it in some speedy deletion category? --Iamunknown 07:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
    • If you like. I don't see the harm from that. Personally, I don't like the idea of the honey pot to set up a trap for users. This is a negative process, not a positive one. I'd rather we take great effort to educate users on acceptable media, and only take negative steps in regards to users who willfully violate our policies. A trap creates a negative environment. --Durin 13:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
      • I agree, to some degree; what I would like to do is redirect to a speedy deletion tag, which could arguably still be considered a honeypot trap, but which I think is less negative than the current process. --Iamunknown 17:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Those links at WP:BN

"This pattern has happened over and over and over again. Someone built the system, they assumed certain user behaviors. The users came on and exhibited different behaviors. And the people running the system discovered to their horror that the technological and social issues could not in fact be decoupled."

And then there is "As a group commits to its existence as a group, and begins to think that the group is good or important, the chance that they will begin to call for additional structure, in order to defend themselves from themselves, gets very, very high." and (worth bolding) "the dense, interconnected pattern that drives group conversation and collaboration isn't supportable at any large scale" and, oh wow: "We had every bit of technology we needed to do weblogs the day Mosaic launched the first forms-capable browser. Every single piece of it was right there. Instead, we got Geocities. Why did we get Geocities and not weblogs? We didn't know what we were doing." - makes me wonder if Misplaced Pages will end up in the Geocities dustbin of history? And then, this kind of thing: "Samuel Pepys' diaries of the 1660's turned into a weblog form, with a new post every day from Pepys' diary" - that sounds amazing. And the combined conference call/chat/wiki model sounds like it could work well once people get used to it. And then I came across another very relevant bit: "in all successful online communities that I've looked at, a core group arises that cares about and gardens effectively. Gardens the environment, to keep it growing, to keep it healthy." And then this bit reminded me of the trust issues at RfA (or in general on Misplaced Pages): "Almost all the work being done on reputation systems today is either trivial or useless or both, because reputations aren't linearizable, and they're not portable." and " Users have to be able to identify themselves and there has to be a penalty for switching handles." (aha, so that is why the Misplaced Pages software has an contributions log built in - penalty for losing the handle...). "When we start seeing effects of scale, we shut off the new user page." - hmm, would that fly here on Misplaced Pages? Anyway, I've quoted far too much, but I really enjoyed reading that, and it is one of those links that I will now e-mail to loads of different people. I have a few years experience of Usenet, and now of Misplaced Pages, and so many of the points made in that essay resonate with me. Thanks again for pointing it out. Maybe you might want to repost it at WP:BN and other places, in case people missed it first time round? Carcharoth 00:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• It's a fascinating read. Like you, I found a number of quotes that directly correlated to Misplaced Pages and RfA. I spent a number of years on Usenet myself, and much of what the author says resonates with me as well. I posted it at WT:RFA just now. For the people who read it in full, it will have a significant impact. Reality is most Internet users do not spend significant time reading things in depth. Books are linear, and the Internet is not. Plus, people read black text on white background on a computer screen 25% slower than the same on paper (this gets worse as contrast between the text and background goes down, if web pages have other color settings). Getting someone to read an essay on the Internet that is that long is hard. At the core of this is human behavior and how we interact in large groups. --Durin 14:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

A thought I wanted to bounce off of you.

I wonder how much the increase in actions per an admin has been due to the fact that admin tools now have more flexibility and thus admins have more opportunities to use them. In particular, the increase in number of admin actions per an admin occured when two major additions were added: the ability to semi-protect and the ability to block anon's only on an IP. I'm curious as to what you think about this. JoshuaZ 19:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thinking about this more, it might explain part of what has gone on but almost certainly doesn't account for all of the increase. JoshuaZ 20:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Admin stats

Hi Durin. I know you've been doing a lot of research into requests for adminship, and I believe you are aware of my own stats page (User:Majorly/RfA stats). Since I have probably conflicted with your own work, do you think it is worth me carrying on? I'd rather not be wasting my time if someone else is doing the exact same work. --Majorly _{(o rly?)} 19:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• I've been pondering this myself. Have a look at User:Durin/RfA results (feel free to cull data from that if you like). That's not all the data I have. I have data from June 2005 through near current, and also from June to September 2003. I'd like to fill in the 2003-2005 gap.
• The differences in our work are negligible except that I include failed RfAs and your work does not. Your data is easier to come by, as the number of promotions are a subset of the overall nominations and (the hard part) you don't have to go step by step through RfA to track what RfAs have been made. I'll be frank, it's a royal pain in the tookus to walk through each and every edit to WP:RFA to get information on every RfA that is put forth. It takes about an hour, at current nomination rates, to run through about 10 days worth of RfA. Uhg. I wish there were a better way, but I don't know what that might be for the reason that not all RfAs make it to the unsuccessful list (or even all successful RfAs making it to successful list for that matter! :)).
• Ah, I've just stumbled across a thought pattern... (oddly, they happen from time to time in my brain :)). I think you'll like this, and the work you are already doing would work perfectly within this. Let me get back to you. Watch my edits, as I think I'll be working on this shortly. Feel free to chime in as it develops... --Durin 20:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Ok, have a look at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Nomination data. Please do not populate Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Nomination data/All nominations; I'm going to dump all of my data into it, which is a superset of yours (at least through mid-January 2007). --Durin 20:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• So are you still watching this page? NoSeptember 19:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, I am. I just haven't had a large block of time yet :) --Durin 19:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I added my own image Template:User Melbourne High school

I have created my own logo, please see if it suitable. Ajindustries 23:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Well, now that it's over, it's time for me to thank my nomintor for writing such a solid and thorough nomination for me. It clearly took a lot of time to review me in such detail, and for that I am quite thankful. Indeed, comments from certain users make it clear to me that your nomination garnered me a fair bit of support. Well, I mean to continue working on using the tools as well as I can to make Misplaced Pages better. If you have any comments on my performance as an administrator, I'd be glad to hear them. Thanks again for the excellent nomination! Heimstern Läufer 02:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

• You're quite welcome! It was a pleasure to do. I'm sure you'll do quite well as an admin. --Durin 03:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Mhs.png Ajindustries

I thought that if i created a similiar work i would be able to use it in my user box. I believe that this image is better than the non coloured for the main space Melbourne High School (Victoria) article. Thanks for the tips and the warnings. Durin

Ajindustries 08:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

New logo for my user box.

What happens if I use a smaller logo inside another image of writing, am i allowed to use that on non main space posts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajindustries (talk • contribs) 08:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

• Wherever the logo is used, the original copyright holder retains rights. --Durin 13:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Asking nicely

You've said some very nasty things to me and made some serious charges. I'm asking one more time that you leave me alone. I have reviewed this website's policies and you having a private opinion about me doesnt give you the right to write negative things about me or remove things from my user page. I also am telling you again that I am not Husnock and do not accept that you have ever been able to prove that. Please just leave me alone. Thank you. -Pahuskahey 18:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Python logo and userboxes

The python logo i uploaded is already in use, on the page for this programming language. It is just the logo, without the word "python" on its side like you can see on the page about it. I find it strange the logo and word together would be allowed, whereas the logo only makes copyright troubles. I didn't understand why you deleted the images on some other userboxes. These images were all used on Misplaced Pages pages... I guess i didn't get yet what was allowed or not in userboxes, and i'd be glad you helped me a little with that. It's not that i care that much about having userboxes on my user page, i just found they look neat, and help others to get a quick idea on what subjects i can help about... arikel 11:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

• The use of fair use images, such as the Python logo, is permissible on actual articles of Misplaced Pages such as Python (programming language). As described in our policy at Misplaced Pages:Fair use criteria item #9, we do not permit the use of such images outside of the main article namespace. This includes templates such as userboxes. If you look at Image:Python logo.svg, you'll see a box in the "summary" section that starts out "This is a logo...". In that box, it indicates that the image is copyrighted and the use of it here on Misplaced Pages must be under terms of fair use. Thus, it may not be used on templates. Similarly, the logo without the word "python" (Image:Python logo.png) may not be used on templates either. I hope that helps. If you have more questions, I'd be happy to answer! Thanks, --Durin 14:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

RFA

Since you're our head statistician these days :) would you happen to have any stats on the average %support of succesful RFAs, or a gauss curve graph of support percentage vs. number of RFAs that pass with that amount? >Radiant< 14:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

• I'll get you some feedback soon. --Durin 02:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
• Have a look at Image:AverageSupportCompleteRfAs.png. --Durin 21:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks, looks very nice. >Radiant< 11:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:User:ASDFGHJKL

I did not mean to report User:ASDFGHJKL i was only trying to rv-vandilism on his user page. Cocoaguy ここがいい _contribsTodays Pick 15:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Cheers!

Thanks, I didn't know that, its just when I checked the external links and it matched exactly I added the tag on assuming it was a real copyvio. Thanks for brigning this to my attention so I know for the future! Tellyaddict 18:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)