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This article seems excessively slanted toward the FOSS movement. While there are a few paragraphs in the article discussing reasoning from supporters of proprietary software, overall the article reads in a very pro-free software light, especially in it's use of terminology regarding software rights. --Nathan2055 02:11, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

I have never edited this article before. I subscribe to the views of the FOSS movement (you can witness it in my contributions page) and I agree that this article may be lacking coverage from the point of view of proprietary software users and developers themselves. Feel in total concession to add information on the views supporting proprietary software. It may be good to separate pros and cons in different sections. Regarding slanted wording, the use of more neutral terms would also be appreciated. Another stylistic option that allows for the inclusion of strident views in controversies is to simple cite them instead of adopting them and biasing the article. For instance, "According to ... proprietary software is ..." --isacdaavid 16:28, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Keep in mind WP:STRUCTURE, though. I don't think it would be a good idea to separate pros and cons into different sections. We should try to achieve a more neutral text by folding the debate into the narrative, rather than isolating different points of view into sections that ignore or fight against each other. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 09:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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Why isn't GNU software FOSS?

@Ahunt: changed the opening from

Proprietary software, also known as non-free software, or closed-source software, is computer software for which the software's publisher or another person restrict's the user's freedom to run, edit, contribute to, or share the software. It may restrict patent rights.

to

Proprietary software, also known as non-free software, or closed-source software, is computer software for which the software's publisher or another person retains intellectual property rights, usually copyright of the source code, but sometimes patent rights.

That excludes all software licensed under, e.g., GPL2, which rely on copyleft. The second reference cites documents that contradict user:Ahunt's definition.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 16:09, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

My edit was merely to restore the longstanding existing text. The IP that made that change is a known POV spammer and the wording they introduced failed WP:NPOV. - Ahunt (talk) 16:23, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Regardless of the provenance of the IP, that text contradicts both common usage and at least one of the cited sources.

BTW, I am by no means a fan of RMS, and am happy to use well written, well documented and well supported proprietary software. But by no stretch of the imagination is GNU proprietary. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 16:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

The intro does not mention GNU or the GPL, so I think you are going to have to explain how you came to that conclusion. - Ahunt (talk) 17:00, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

GNU software, and other software licensed under GPL. is "computer software for which the software's publisher or another person retains intellectual property rights"; copyleft wouldn't work without that. The fact that it doesn't explicitly mention GNU does not alter the fact that the description matches it. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 17:32, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Well that existing wording just requires a small adjustment then. - Ahunt (talk) 17:41, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

That doesn't address the issue; under GPL the author retains all rights. The difference between proprietary and open source is in license terms, except for public domain, where there are no licemce terms or intellectual property rights Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 18:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Well then: your turn to propose some better wording to expaln what proprietary software is. - Ahunt (talk) 18:52, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

How about

Proprietary software, also known as non-free software, or closed-source software, is computer software for which the software's publisher, or another person holding intellectual property rights, usually copyright of the source and object code but sometimes patent or trade secret rights, restricts the user's freedom to run, edit, contribute to, or share the software.

with this in the references section:

AAUG

Brendan Scott (March 2003). "Why Free Software's Long Run TCO must be lower". The Journal of AAUG, Inc. 24 (1). AUUG, Inc. Retrieved 29 June 2017.

I've filled in some missing data in the citations. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 22:06, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

It violates WP:NPOV. That reads like the writer is trying to convince readers that proprietary software is bad. I am not sure that citing refs touting free software is the way to get to a neutral point of view here, since it is clearly biased on the subject. (Disclosure: I only run free software on my computers, refuse all proprietary software and actually run a free sofware advocacy program for a a local organization, but we are here to write a Misplaced Pages article, not advocate.) How about more like:

Proprietary software, also known as closed-source software, is computer software for which the software's rights holder, controls the copyright of the source and object code. There may also be patent or trade secret rights that limit use of the software.

the "also known as closed-source software," is an improvement, but the author GPL software still controls copyright of the source code and object code.71.135.5.88 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:14, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

References

1. ^ Saraswati Experts. "2.5.3". COMPUTER SCIENCE WITH C++. Saraswati House Pvt Ltd. p. 1.27. ISBN 978-93-5199-877-8. Retrieved 29 June 2017.
2. ^ AUUG, Inc. (March 2003). "Chapter 1. Definitions". AUUGN. AUUG, Inc. p. 51. Retrieved 29 June 2017.
3. "What is free software?". Free Software Foundation.
4. "The Open Source Definition (Annotated)".
5. Rita Sahoo; Gagan Sahoo (2016). "2.5.3". COMPUTER SCIENCE WITH C++. New Saraswati House (India) Pvt Ltd. p. 1.27. ISBN 978-93-5199-877-8. Retrieved 29 June 2017.
6. ^ AAUG, p. 51, Why Free Software's Long Run TCO must be lower].
7. Rita Sahoo; Gagan Sahoo (2016). "2.5.3". COMPUTER SCIENCE WITH C++. New Saraswati House (India) Pvt Ltd. p. 1.27. ISBN 978-93-5199-877-8. Retrieved 29 June 2017.

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Merge from Proprietary firmware

There doesn't seem to be a reason to have both articles. I will do the merge within a year if there are no objections. Anyone can feel free to do it sooner if it seems like a good idea. ~Kvng (talk) 20:05, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. Proprietary firmware should have it’s own article for the purposes of clarification and emphasis. The concept of proprietary firmware is not commonly understood and requires it’s own article. Junius Fertilis (talk) 12:42, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Where would you put Licensed Internal Code (LIC) such as Coupling Facility Control Code (CFCC) and millicode? --Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 13:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose this. They are distinct subjects. Firmware is also a distinct article from software. This subject meets the WP:GNG at the moment. If anything, I was planning to create a counterpart open source firmware soon. PhotographyEdits (talk) 09:33, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Firmware (read only information/software for hardware) is different from Software

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