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Preparation (principle)

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I kinda expect to get burned for nominating this, but here goes nothing. This article is a nothingburger that fails WP:NOTDICTIONARY. This is worth an entry on wikictionary, but nothing else. At the moment the article just feels-like a hopeless mish-mash who's contents would be better covered elsewhere. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business and Social science. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete I tried to clean this up, but ultimately it's a clusterfuck of WP:NOR, an essay and frankly just utter, useless nonsense. The wiktionary definition of preparation is perfectly adequate rather than this...very philosophical diatribe. PICKLEDICAE🥒 22:04, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete among other reasons, this needs a healthy dose of WP:TNT, not to mention this doesn't even merit an article in the first place. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:04, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete, I absolutely agree… WTH is this? 😳 Bgsu98 (talk) 22:08, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete - I also tried to clean this up a little, but it remains a mix of a dictionary definition and a lot of synthesis from disparate sources. firefly ( t · c ) 22:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• delete baffling dicdef. Protonk (talk) 22:13, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete: Does not in any way appear encyclopaedic. Gusfriend (talk) 22:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Hard to imagine how one would write an encyclopedic article, rather than a dictionary definition, about this subject. What we have now (and had prior to some extensive trimming) certainly isn't an encyclopedic article, just a WP:OR hodgepodge of various instances where the word "preparation" is used. Preparation is a handling principle whereby people do specific designed arrangements to get ready for a final desirable product or for a successful experience ... I feel like I know less about the topic than I did before reading the article. Spicy (talk) 22:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete as a total crock of shite. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per above Andre🚐 23:14, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete I mean, really? FrederalBacon (talk) 00:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:TNT if nothing else. It's hard -- very hard -- to identify the most wretched passage in this slagheap of inexplicable miscellany, but here's a leading candidate:

  The concept of preparation has a Venn relationship with the concept of planning; the two concepts are separate but closely intertwined. In scholarly use, the concept of planning is often associated with long-tailed, open-ended processes of chronological foresight, while the concept of preparation is more closely tied to immediate steps taken to achieve a tangible, closed-ended goal. If a diligent preparation is made in a concern or issue then steps can be put in place to get the desired results. Good outcome favors the one prepared. For example, a dietitian may counsel their clients on the elements of meal planning, and after internalizing this training the client may utilize their meal-planning skills in the immediate task of preparing a nutritional meal that will be healthy.

The above is cited to (AND I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP) something entitled "Guess Who's Cooking? The Role of Men in Meal Planning, Shopping, and Preparation in US Families" in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. Really. I'm not joking. Much of the rest of the article is sourced to self-help books, how-to-get-ahead-in-salesmanship manuals, and other stuff such as Guide for Those with Autism and Asperger's Syndrome; How I Raised Myself from Failure; One Thing You Need to Know Great Managing; 50 Secrets From the Science of Persuasion; Bride of Anguished English: Bonanza of Bloopers, Blunders, and Botches; and (of course) The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership: Follow Them and People Will Follow You. Apparently the word preparation was Googled and random passages related to cooking and so on duly dumped into the article, complete with mention of Venn diagrams where necessary.

There seems to be an almost complete lack of understanding of what constitutes appropriate sourcing and article content. I fear the creator's other efforts will need to be scrutinized -- list at . EEng 00:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Mr. Coldwell likes to brag about his quantity of GAs; clearly, zero consideration has been given to quality in the process. Going through all 234 articles will take a long time but it must be done. This is what you get when someone focuses exclusively on getting as many shiny icons on their userpage as possible without any consideration as to minor details like "reliable sources" or "actually writing something coherent". And that's when he isn't just citing local news about himself and shoehorning it into articles, as he tried to do on this one several times. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:07, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• Delete: Inappropriate synthesis of random sources leads to an unhelpful combination of an essay and a dictionary definition which appears irredeemably unencyclopaedic. Jack Frost (talk) 01:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:TNT and everyone else. An absolute shitshow this article is... XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 04:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete - The article is an odd synthesis of sources and ends up being a combination of dictionary definition and an instruction manual, which I guess it can't help but be worded like that since all the refs are instruction manuals and inspirational books themselves. The end result reads more like a Misplaced Pages user essay than a Misplaced Pages article (especially when looking at the pre-trimmed version). - Aoidh (talk) 05:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

  From the version just linked (which, I assure you, is well worth clicking on):

  Many times a checklist is the result of someone not doing the proper beforehand steps needed before a major event is to occur (i.e., airplane takeoff, medical procedure) and later disastrous results happen because of this lack of preparedness. Meetings should involve people being first notified so they can do preparation ahead of the meeting time.Preparation involves a fact-finding mission in getting a qualified person for a position in a company. This includes not only the characteristics of the potential new employee but the parameters of a particular company including its policies and dynamics. The person as a business partner should know how to solve problems, create opportunities, and use the company’s strengths in a strategic way. Organizations involved in teaching must prepare new knowledge to teach individuals to grow. This preparation of new information and teaching self-motivation then involves forming knowledge acquisition plans. On the job training engages people in activities that are practical in preparation for an improvement in their career skills. To get an individual self-motivated one should be taught how certain information and preparation of specific skills will benefit them personally. A method of preparation is when a manager will explain what is expected as an end result and some possible ways to accomplish that and get the employee engaged in real life situations. Having a well defined preparation system will increase one's chances of becoming a strong competitor. Preparation is to harness your passion of something with a system of developing steps to accomplish a good outcome. It is used in business transactions and company management. Professionals in all fields that achieve their goals are masters at preparing and putting their tasks in an orderly manner to be done at the appropriate time. Many times an important part of preparation is the concept that time is of the essence and applies especially to contract law.

From the above, we are apparently to conclude that preparation encompasses any form of goal-directed activity. EEng 06:35, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• Delete An article that includes such banal and vapid content such as The concept of preparation has a Venn relationship with the concept of planning; the two concepts are separate but closely intertwined. In scholarly use, the concept of planning is often associated with long-tailed, open-ended processes of chronological foresight, while the concept of preparation is more closely tied to immediate steps taken to achieve a tangible, closed-ended goal. If a diligent preparation is made in a concern or issue then steps can be put in place to get the desired results. Good outcome favors the one prepared.. How come my efforts to write and carry out a grocery shopping list, and sort and chop up the ingredients of tonight's dinner are not included? Perhaps it is because we have a better written article Mise en place which could be improved. But this article is a poorly conceived mish-mosh. Planning is a better article on a closely related topic. Cullen328 (talk) 07:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete, since I believe this article fails WP:NOTDICTIONARY. This concern was expressed in a thread back in August 2014, when it was considered to be merged in the planning article, but an IP user reiterated the NOTDICTIONARY concern on the talk page as recently as last week. Reading through this article, I'm not convinced that the principle of preparation is substantially separate from the concept of planning. Additionally, as Aoidh mentions above, there is a lot of WP:SYNTH present in the article (which, in the previous version of the page, was even worse).While this has been removed now, the previous version of the article also read like an essay at several points: Drafts allow time to get inter-library loan books and other source material (i.e. return email inquiries). It also allows you to leave unfinished sentences to give time and thought to figure out what you want to say as a final result. Drafts allow you to modify and rewrite later, so time is not of the essence when your work is to be done. You can make as many sandbox drafts as you want by simply creating on your user page a redlink which is done by typing a forward slash and the name of your sandbox draft within brackets. Examples could be ] and ] and ] and ], etc. Then you could have dozens of draft sandboxes to write up your new articles and new thoughts on sections. Drafting gives a quieter experience where other editors are unlikely to edit what you have written. Drafting in a live article should only be done by an experienced editor. The current version of the article still has evidence of this essay-like writing, e.g. Professionals in all fields that achieve their goals are masters at preparing and putting their tasks in an orderly manner to be done at the appropriate time. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete as a dictionary definition and as a coatrack. I see that, in preparation (principled or otherwise) for the American football season, the reviewers are piling on. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete I don't see any way to salvage this article. Even what it would ostensibly cover is vague and the current article presentation is nonsensical. If there is anything that can be done with this topic in the future, I would implore any future person who tries creating it from scratch to use actual scholarly publications that properly define and utilize the subject and not a bunch of very general purpose business books as is shown in the article right now. Silverseren 20:49, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete as incoherent. Caleb Stanford (talk) 21:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete. Kinda piling on at this point, but this really has no place here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:08, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

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