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			== Lord Byron's national identity ==

			Lord Byron being described simply as "English" is not accurate but is rather a clumsy over-simplification of his complex national identity.

			He himself identified as at least partly Scottish, saying he was "half a Scot by birth, and bred/A whole one". In this, he vocally identified as a Scot. He was educated for a time at Aberdeen Grammar School and reportedly had a Scottish accent (albeit a faint one) throughout his life.

			The Gordons were of course a family with strong links to the north-east of Scotland (a branch of the Gordons held the Earldom of Huntly in north-east Scotland), and Byron corresponded with Aberdeenshire kin and relations all his life. He clearly had a Scottish component to his identity, as evidenced by his wearing tartan in his Greek campaign, visibly identifying with the (not that old) Scottish Highland martial tradition. He was also referred to by others as a Scot at the time, most famously by his lover Lady Caroline Lamb and by his first biographer Sir Cosmo Gordon.

			Scotland was also the subject of many of his poems, most notably "Lachin Y. Gaer".

			He was, at least partially, Scottish in his identity.

			For more evidence, see: Murray Pittock, "Scotland: The Global History, 1603 to the Present" (2022). ] (]) 16:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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Nobility in the short description

It doesn't really matter that much. Really really not. But does the short description really need to say that he was a nobleman? It is right there in the article name (unless you are worried that it's his Jazz Name like Duke Ellington and his real name was just Steve Byron etc) and if anyone looks at the article it's right there in your face in a moment. I am not willing to go to fisticuffs over this, but when I think of him I just think "poet" – his other job prancing around in ermine (?) doesn't seem that relevant, and in particular doesn't seem worth mentioning in his short description. It's a fact, yes, but so is the fact that he's Ada's dad too, or liked motorbikes, or whatever, and we don't mention that there ... But YMMV. I'd be interested to know what others think, and to hear from the IP who is keen on its inclusion. Cheers DBaK (talk) 07:45, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree. I also think that referring to a 19th century Englishman as a "nobleman" (rather than, eg, as a "peer") sounds ever so slightly odd in British English. 45ossington (talk) 10:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

More please on that memorial prompted by Ripley caption (re section Post-Mortem)

Robert Ripley had drawn a picture of Boatswain's grave with the caption "Lord Byron's dog has a magnificent tomb while Lord Byron himself has none". This came as a shock to the English, particularly schoolchildren, who, Ripley said, raised funds of their own accord to provide the poet with a suitable memorial.

This could do with a year and a location of that memorial to Byron being stated. Ripley lived 1890-1949 and the caption was in a series of 'Believe It or Not' published in 1950. I am not sure if Ripley was unaware of the gravestone in Hucknall Church presented by the King of Greece, and the statue unveiled in 1880 in Hyde Park Corner, London, whose plinth was a gift of the Greek Government.Cloptonson (talk) 17:26, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

"Laying in state"

In Britain, "lying in state" takes place only in Westminster Hall. A public viewing in any other location is "lying in repose." --Kent G. Budge (talk) 15:15, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Noel

We say:

He obtained a Royal Warrant, allowing him to "take and use the surname of Noel only" and to "subscribe the said surname of Noel before all titles of honour".

From that point onwards it would seem that he was no longer George Gordon Byron, 6th Baron Byron, but George Gordon Noel, 6th Baron Byron.

Why is this not reflected in the lede and infobox? -- Jack of Oz 03:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Lord Byron's national identity

Lord Byron being described simply as "English" is not accurate but is rather a clumsy over-simplification of his complex national identity.

He himself identified as at least partly Scottish, saying he was "half a Scot by birth, and bred/A whole one". In this, he vocally identified as a Scot. He was educated for a time at Aberdeen Grammar School and reportedly had a Scottish accent (albeit a faint one) throughout his life.

The Gordons were of course a family with strong links to the north-east of Scotland (a branch of the Gordons held the Earldom of Huntly in north-east Scotland), and Byron corresponded with Aberdeenshire kin and relations all his life. He clearly had a Scottish component to his identity, as evidenced by his wearing tartan in his Greek campaign, visibly identifying with the (not that old) Scottish Highland martial tradition. He was also referred to by others as a Scot at the time, most famously by his lover Lady Caroline Lamb and by his first biographer Sir Cosmo Gordon.

Scotland was also the subject of many of his poems, most notably "Lachin Y. Gaer".

He was, at least partially, Scottish in his identity.

For more evidence, see: Murray Pittock, "Scotland: The Global History, 1603 to the Present" (2022). Scottymacd (talk) 16:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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