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| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration&diff=111645415&oldid=111645175 (original conversation, removed due to malformed nom) | |||
| ==Misplaced Pages:Informal checkuser== | |||
| Can you explain, exactly, what the intent of ] is? It just appears to be some hypothesized thing you've come up with. To claim that it will result in an RfC or de-sysopping is purely your own speculation. ] 17:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It violates ] and negates the need for ]. Any sysop isn't supposed to be able to use checkuser. Why do you think that checkuser, as a user right, is so exclusive? And on a side note, '''I''' will file the RfC myself and request de-sysopping. ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>''' 17:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Flameviper, I deleted ]. Please don't make up policies and throw them into the WP namespace. If you've got an issue with the way Checkuser is carried out, then discuss it on the ]. ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 17:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::You that the block of User:Squeamish Editor had resulted in your IP being autoblocked and you gave the IP number. That meant that anyone reading that would know you were editing from that IP. There was no use of Checkuser or even any Administrator function involved. It's just a coincidence that one of the people involved is a Checkuser. No one did anything wrong and there's nothing to complain about. If you don't want your IP to be available, I'm sure if you ask nicely someone will delete the edit with your IP number from the history of your archive page. ] 17:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I know that. But in the future, supposing someone wanted to get my IP address, the damage would already have been done. My IP address would be sitting on a Post-It somewhere in a sysop's basement, just waiting for the day it can be unleashed as ]. ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>''' 18:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::If you know that, then why are you talking about RfC's and desysoppings? Do you have a serious point to make here? ] 18:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I'm just saying that people get their IP addresses revealed daily in the form of autoblocks. It doesn't take a <s>rocket scientist</s>] to figure out how to utilize that for evil. ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>''' 18:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Users in that situation can post "I need an autoblock listed, can an admin who's online now please let me know so I can e-mail him or her" and then the user will have given the IP information to just one admin rather than anyone who reads the page. So to that extent, your point is a fair one. But making accusations that people have acted improperly, or that people are going to act improperly in the future, is unproductive. Please stop that, it's not helping your mood or the encyclopedia. ] 18:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Dare I say that this is now boring me and I wish it to end? ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>''' 18:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Be warned, this is just another disruptive action on your part. A lot of people are monitoring you closely now, I'm sure. If you continue any disruption, I'm pretty sure you'll be looking at block sometime soon, ] 18:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == |
=== Flameviper === | ||
| - : '''Initiated by ''' ] '''at''' 12:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Flameviper, you're the one drawing attention to yourself with your edit summaries and generally disruptive activity. If you'd like to talk about other matters, such as building an encyclopedia, then just start acting like you're here to contribute. ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 18:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| - ==== Involved parties ==== | |||
| ::I'm not doing anything. You won't neeve me anone! | |||
| - *{{userlinks|Flameviper}} | |||
| - *{{admin|Yanksox}} | |||
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| - ; Confirmation that other steps in ] have been tried | |||
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| - {{Clerk-Note}} This appears to be an appeal of an indefinite ban, discussed ]. ] 13:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| - ::Yanksox has been manipulative in his representation of me. If you want proof that he's unfit, I'll remind you that he was later desysopped. This abuse of admin powers has been discussed extensively on the mailing list. If this account is blocked, please go ] or ]. Please, watch those pages and listen to me. | |||
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| - ==== Statement by Flameviper ==== | |||
| - ; I apologize for doing this out of process, however I am a blocked user and my time here is limited (before this account is blocked also). Thus, I don't have the time to take this up with the offender. | |||
| To start of my evidence-fueled tour da force, here's a quote from Yanksox. | |||
| :::<code>"I'm guessing this guy is a failed /b/tard. He's spitting out 4chan memes like a total newbie. I don't have an issue with this guy's being a 4channer, but his actual contribution to the encyclopedic aspect of this site has been minimal and barely marginal at best. Most of the time, he's just testing our patience. I'm really leaning towards a permaban. Yanksox 18:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)"</code> | |||
| And now, my retort. I had never even heard of Yanksox until several days earlier, so his insinuation that he had "been putting up with me for a long time" is unsubstantiated. For second, his claim of "barely marginal" is "barely legitimate" at best. ] made DYK. My editcount is 3000+ (that should give you ideas), see ] for more. For last, I have never been on 4chan, and that accusation is simply an ad hominem personal attack. "Like a newbie"? This kind of abuse, coming from a normal user, would warrant a block (or at least serious warning via WP:NPA). But from Yanksox, it's just another drop in the bucket. | |||
| == Mentoring == | |||
| And now I will give you some actual URLs to substantiate myself. | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Flameviper and http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Flameviper&action=history | |||
| This is the history of my talk page (as User:Flameviper). Various things happened here, the most important of which was probably the reversion of my announcement that I was taking a month-long Wikivacation. This did not "coincide" with the block, it was caused by the block. I will admit that I was unwilling to admit I had been banned for a month and as thus, I announced that I was leaving. Perhaps this was obstinate and pigheaded of me to do, but the net result (me not editing for 30 days) was the same, and it certainly did not warrant a revert and a protection. After approximately two reverts, the page was locked for one month. | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Flameviper | |||
| Rather self-explanatory. I had conceived an idea (Misplaced Pages:Informal checkuser) of a practice that could potentially be put to bad use. | |||
| Instead of seeing it for what it was (a cautionary warning), several administrators decided that it was my claim of being targeted, which it wasn't. My IP address is 69.81.50.1, and another one is 216.11.222.21. I'm not hiding anything. | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Flameviper | |||
| Self-explanatory. This is my contributions. Note that my edit summaries are usually somewhat immature. This doesn't help my case, but keep in mind that serious edits are usually marked in the same informal manner as joking ones. | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/HUNGY_MAN | |||
| A small-scale account that I created back in May 2006 for no particular reason (most likely to give to a friend, I can't remember). Not as a sockpuppet. I used it to make very small edits to my Flameviper userpage and got the Flameviper account indefinitely blocked by Yanksox (without a consensus at the ANI page). | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Flameviper&action=history | |||
| Revert war between myself and several sysops, particularly Gwernol (the last few edits). Through HUNGY_MAN, my alternate account, I had blanked my userpage simply for the purpose of not having an embarassing "blocked" notice on my user page. | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive74#User:Flameviper_needs_a_coach | |||
| WP:AN thread where I have been grossly misrepresented, abused, and I'm not able to defend myself because I'm banned. | |||
| Specifically, the e-mail representations of Flameviper. For one, Ryan's e-mail response was blackmailed from me as I was under the impression that the corrsepondence was private. Secondly, my claim in that e-mail was not that I craved the attention of people, it was actually that I craved positive attention. Of course, I didn't anticipate my words being twisted against me, since I believed this to be in confidence. And thirdly, Josh Gordon also misrepresented me. He claimed that I "threatened sockpuppetry and vandalism". I did no such thing; I merely stated that if I could not edit my talk page and e-mail produced no response, then I would be forced to use sckpuppetry to communicate. The "threat of vandalism" was a pure fabrication. However, these outrageous misinterpretations go uncorrected because, again, I cannot contact Misplaced Pages. | |||
| So there, you have it. An archive of an abused snake. | |||
| ==== Statement by Yanksox ==== | |||
| My block of Flameviper was endorsed by the community. He was blocked for trolling and continues to send harassing e-mails that seem to cross into ]. Furthermore, this hardly seems for Arbcom because this case is being brought to the light due to another case with more gravity. The more proper place for a request like this is ] or MedCab. ] 16:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==== Clerk notes ==== | |||
| ==== Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0) ==== | |||
| Flameviper, would you be willing to work with a mentor? A mentor would help you focus your Misplaced Pages contributions and as a bonus, keep me and others out of your hair. What do you think? ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 18:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :That would be shweet. ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>''' 18:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Would you like me to help you with your wikipedia editing? I hope I can give you ome good advice and help you with problems you may have with other editors. ]<sup>See ] or ]</sup> 19:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Hmm... I'm not actively editing this moment, I'm going to cruise through some juicy backlogs and gawk at the missing users. ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>''' 19:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::To be honest with you I think it would be a good idea, you have the potential to b a very good editor. Its just that some lapses in your temprement have put you at odds with quite a few other editors. If you allow me to, I will help you on your style in talkpage conversations and also help defend your point. I will also look at your contributions and look at ways you could improve ]<sup>See ] or ]</sup> 19:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks! ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>''' 19:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Blocked== | |||
| For your continuous disruption, you have been blocked for 1 month. You've had this coming and with its threats sealed the deal. ] 20:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Feh == | |||
| <center>I've decided to</center> | |||
| <center><big><big><big>'''LEAVE WIKIPEDIA'''</big></big></big></center> | |||
| <center><small><small><small>for one month</small></small></small></center> | |||
| <center>:P</center> | |||
| <center>~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>'''</center> | |||
| <center>20:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)</center> | |||
| * Wrong. You're blocked. Get over it, move on. --]<small> (]) (])</small> 20:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == HUNGY MAN sockpuppet == | |||
| Yet ''another'' sockpuppet, Flameviper? Haven't you learned anything from Son of a Peach, Flameviper in exlie, Flameviper12 etc.? You may not use sockpuppet accounts to evade a block. You cannot edit Misplaced Pages during your block. Your sockpuppet account has been indef blocked, and your 1 month block has been reset and starts again now. You realize this behavior guarantees you will never pass an RfA? You are now on the brink of exhausting the community's patience and being indefinitely blocked. Please do not return to Misplaced Pages until your block on this account expires. 12:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Because of your glaring past and unrepentant attitude, I've indefinitely blocked this account. ] 19:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == An article which you started, or significantly expanded, '']'', was selected for ]! == | |||
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| Thanks for your contributions! ''']]''' 20:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Shock Sites== | |||
| Shock Sites like Meatspin need your help. Please sign this ] | |||
| == Arbitration request == | |||
| If you need to comment further on your arbitration request, post your comments here and a clerk will copy them to the arbitration page. ] 15:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you very much! I am forever grateful! ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>''' 17:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Jpgordon == | |||
| {{ATTN}} | |||
| Can someone tell {{user|jpgordon}} to please provide the Yanksox e-mails for the ]? Or at least to check his e-mail? Thanks! ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">] | |||
| {{ATTN}} | |||
| Can someone tell {{user|jpgordon}} to please provide the Yanksox e-mails for the ]? Or at least to check his e-mail? Thanks! ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>''' 17:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I will leave a message on his talkpage. ] 17:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks. And could someone please create {{tl|ATTN}} for me? I'll give the source here. Just copypasta. | |||
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| :You can forward the emails to me and I'll post them ]<sup>See ] or ]</sup> 17:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Based on what I have heard to date, the e-mails may not be suitable for posting. Let's please wait until ArbCom has decided what to do with the case. If Jpgordon seems to be unavailable, Flameviper can forward to another arbitrator for distribution. ] 17:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::The reason I can't give you the Yanksox e-mails is because I don't have them. I deleted them mistakenly, I believe. Again, sorry I deleted your message. ~ '''<font color="CC0000">]</font><font color="009900">]</font><font color="00CC00">]</font><font color="009900">]</font>''' 17:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Please, someone help... | |||
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Hello. Welcome to Flameviper's talk page. This is a place where you can leave messages for me. I will read them and reply, either here or at your talk page. Please do not troll, flame, or do anything else to piss me off. Thank you. ~ Flameviper
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration&diff=111645415&oldid=111645175 (original conversation, removed due to malformed nom)
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- : Initiated by Flameviper II at 12:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- ==== Involved parties ====
- *Flameviper (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- *Yanksox (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
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- ; Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
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Clerk note: This appears to be an appeal of an indefinite ban, discussed here. Thatcher131 13:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- ::Yanksox has been manipulative in his representation of me. If you want proof that he's unfit, I'll remind you that he was later desysopped. This abuse of admin powers has been discussed extensively on the mailing list. If this account is blocked, please go here or here. Please, watch those pages and listen to me.
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- ==== Statement by Flameviper ====
- ; I apologize for doing this out of process, however I am a blocked user and my time here is limited (before this account is blocked also). Thus, I don't have the time to take this up with the offender.
To start of my evidence-fueled tour da force, here's a quote from Yanksox.
"I'm guessing this guy is a failed /b/tard. He's spitting out 4chan memes like a total newbie. I don't have an issue with this guy's being a 4channer, but his actual contribution to the encyclopedic aspect of this site has been minimal and barely marginal at best. Most of the time, he's just testing our patience. I'm really leaning towards a permaban. Yanksox 18:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)"
And now, my retort. I had never even heard of Yanksox until several days earlier, so his insinuation that he had "been putting up with me for a long time" is unsubstantiated. For second, his claim of "barely marginal" is "barely legitimate" at best. Five themes of geography made DYK. My editcount is 3000+ (that should give you ideas), see User:Flameviper/edits for more. For last, I have never been on 4chan, and that accusation is simply an ad hominem personal attack. "Like a newbie"? This kind of abuse, coming from a normal user, would warrant a block (or at least serious warning via WP:NPA). But from Yanksox, it's just another drop in the bucket. And now I will give you some actual URLs to substantiate myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Flameviper and http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Flameviper&action=history This is the history of my talk page (as User:Flameviper). Various things happened here, the most important of which was probably the reversion of my announcement that I was taking a month-long Wikivacation. This did not "coincide" with the block, it was caused by the block. I will admit that I was unwilling to admit I had been banned for a month and as thus, I announced that I was leaving. Perhaps this was obstinate and pigheaded of me to do, but the net result (me not editing for 30 days) was the same, and it certainly did not warrant a revert and a protection. After approximately two reverts, the page was locked for one month.
http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Flameviper
Rather self-explanatory. I had conceived an idea (Misplaced Pages:Informal checkuser) of a practice that could potentially be put to bad use. Instead of seeing it for what it was (a cautionary warning), several administrators decided that it was my claim of being targeted, which it wasn't. My IP address is 69.81.50.1, and another one is 216.11.222.21. I'm not hiding anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Flameviper
Self-explanatory. This is my contributions. Note that my edit summaries are usually somewhat immature. This doesn't help my case, but keep in mind that serious edits are usually marked in the same informal manner as joking ones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/HUNGY_MAN
A small-scale account that I created back in May 2006 for no particular reason (most likely to give to a friend, I can't remember). Not as a sockpuppet. I used it to make very small edits to my Flameviper userpage and got the Flameviper account indefinitely blocked by Yanksox (without a consensus at the ANI page).
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Flameviper&action=history
Revert war between myself and several sysops, particularly Gwernol (the last few edits). Through HUNGY_MAN, my alternate account, I had blanked my userpage simply for the purpose of not having an embarassing "blocked" notice on my user page.
WP:AN thread where I have been grossly misrepresented, abused, and I'm not able to defend myself because I'm banned.
Specifically, the e-mail representations of Flameviper. For one, Ryan's e-mail response was blackmailed from me as I was under the impression that the corrsepondence was private. Secondly, my claim in that e-mail was not that I craved the attention of people, it was actually that I craved positive attention. Of course, I didn't anticipate my words being twisted against me, since I believed this to be in confidence. And thirdly, Josh Gordon also misrepresented me. He claimed that I "threatened sockpuppetry and vandalism". I did no such thing; I merely stated that if I could not edit my talk page and e-mail produced no response, then I would be forced to use sckpuppetry to communicate. The "threat of vandalism" was a pure fabrication. However, these outrageous misinterpretations go uncorrected because, again, I cannot contact Misplaced Pages. So there, you have it. An archive of an abused snake.
Statement by Yanksox
My block of Flameviper was endorsed by the community. He was blocked for trolling and continues to send harassing e-mails that seem to cross into WP:LEGAL. Furthermore, this hardly seems for Arbcom because this case is being brought to the light due to another case with more gravity. The more proper place for a request like this is WP:RfC or MedCab. Yanksox 16:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)