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Happy editing, Isomorphic 18:23, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Khazars in fiction

Hi Brian, I have restored Khazars in fiction to its previous content. Thank you for confirming that its use has been granted by the copyright owner. Please make sure that the message from the owner remains on the article's talk page so that future editors are aware of the copyright situation. Cheers! Carrp | Talk 12:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Suar-related articles

Hi! Articles about Suars need improvements? There are the information from Tatar Encyclopaedia, which was published in Russian and Tatar in 2001 in Kazan.

--Untifler 20:18, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You want to by it by post? (it is hard to by it even in Kazan). It could be useful if you understand Russian. But in is only in one-volume edition, so all information is limited. --Untifler 21:25, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What is a concret publication information yuo need? --Untifler 21:26, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tatarstan Republic Academy of Sciences' Institution of Tatar Encyclopaedia, 2002

This is a publishing information for Tatar Encyclopaedia.

M.b. different articles, which are about different objects (people, city and duchy) should not be merged, but I think, that Suars could be merged with Sabirs, because in some Tatar sources is said that Suars was only branch of Sabirs and their name changed due to pronoinciation of surrounding peoples. Another variant is Suvars.

As for mistakes, I hope that you will correct it as it needs! --Untifler 21:39, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Threats

(This thread relates to disputes over the categorization of Bugars in the Category "Turkic peoples.)

Using threats to further a point of view is scarcely the best way to approach any of the editors here. Behaving as if your own version is the best and ond only possible is a bit childish. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it., this stays below any page in Misplaced Pages and contrary to what you might think, it regards you, as well. Please, stop reverting the category, you are misleading readers to accept one of the explanations about the origin of the Bulgars. VMORO 15:55, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)

• • First of all, to suggest that I was "threatening" is a total mischaracterization. What I said was that rather than engage in a pointless revert war I would ask that the site administrators arbitrate the issue (as per Misplaced Pages:Dispute_resolution#Requesting_an_advocate). This is quite different from threatening, which I note that you have been known to do in the past (e.g. "If you don't leave this article alone now, there will be 'sudden' outburst of vandalism against Romanian articles, this is final warning") You yourself concede that Turkic origin is one theory about the Bulgars. Linguistically it is the only theory accepted by most scholars. I refer you to the works of M.I. Artamanov, Runciman, David Christian, and D. Dmitrov (himself a Bulgarian) to name only a few. However, even if there are other theories worthy of consideration, Bulgars deserve a mention among the Turkic peoples category. Your accusation that I am trying to foist my views is totally ludicrous. I did not edit the article itself. The various theories are all in there. You are free to add the Bulgars to whatever other category (Slavic peoples, Iranian peoples, etc.) you wish. By repeatedly deleting Bulgars from the category you are attempting to force your ethnopolitical views on the article in the same manner you accuse me of. The notice "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it" cuts both ways, my friend.
  • To avoid more pointless fighting and reversions, I propose the following:
  • 1. On the "Turkic peoples" category page, I will add the following note:
  • Many of these peoples' origins are still being debated. For example, while most linguists classify Proto-Bulgarian as a Turkic language, others have disputed this classification and point to Iranic and other linguistic features. Likewise, the Avars and Hephthalites are sometimes classified as Mongolic, Iranic or even Tocharian in origin. Finally, some people listed, such as the Golden Horde, were in part or in whole Mongolian in origin, yet are included in this category because they adopted Turkic languages.
  • 2. Bulgars goes back in the "Turkic peoples" category.
  • As a gesture of good will I have implemented #1 already. You are welcome to suggest modifications to the language. I ask that you return the Bulgars article to the Turkic peoples category within 48 hours, and I will consider the matter closed. If you do not, I will begin proceedings outlined under Misplaced Pages:Dispute_resolution.
  • --Briangotts 14:25, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Samaritan Aramaic

Hello! An article stating that Samaritan Aramaic is a variety of Aramaic spoken by Samaritans isn't really an article but a circular statement. I've redirected it to the main Aramaic article for the time being, but if you can add any info regarding the differences between the two languages and other facts, by all means feel free to do so. Since ancient languages seems to be your forte, I'm confident that you'll do just that. Best, Lucky 6.9 18:06, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)