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Overlink

Hi; saw your edit on Griff's page and wanted to inform you that nationalities, countries, etc should not be linked per MOS:OL; read that link for more info. – Meena • 21:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

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Ashina tribe

Hunan201p, I want to know which part from the Ashina tribe that you disagrees with me. I suggest you reply here https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Ashina_tribe I need to know so I can make a proper third opinion request.Ghizz Archus (talk) 22:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Kolyma1

Hi! I (with heavy heart and sad face ☹️) reverted your addition to Yana RHS article as I thought it was a bit undue for that article, since Kolyma1 is not from there and is Mesolithic. Perhaps we should start a Ancient North Siberians/Ancient Palaeo-Siberians article?  Tewdar  09:42, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Tewdar that your edit was a bit off-topic. Kolyma1 is mentioned in the article because of the ancestral link to Yana, but then it's not an article for all about Kolyma1. What about extending the scope of Ancient North Eurasians for that purpose (well, it already has been extended somehow to include Yana etc.)? There was a craze especially among IE identitarians about Mal'ta especially before EHG came into the scene, but actually MA-1 is just a part of a bigger complex of early Siberian populations, so a standalone about MA-1 is a bit undue IMHO. Austronesier (talk) 10:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm actually starting to think articles along the lines of "Palaeogenetics of North-East wherever" might be a better strategy for our archaeogenetics articles. So we could bunch ANE, ANS, APS together on the same article, explaining how they differ, and so on. Might require a page move, though, rather than just extending the scope of Ancient North Eurasians... since that might get confusing... what do we all think about that?  Tewdar  10:12, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Apologies, folks. Most of the reports I have read about this study described Kolyma1 as a woman, which I guess I took at face value since I don't recall learning that Kolyma1 had been assigned male (I gleamed the haplogroup info I added from Dryomov, et al (2020) rather than Sikora, et al (2019)). But this happens from time to time when taking pop-sci at face value... - Hunan201p (talk) 10:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

The Sikora paper itself describes Kolyma1 as female! You have to look in the supplementary tables to learn otherwise... You actually reminded me to fix my (and their) mistake, so thanks! 😁  Tewdar  10:46, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Tewdar: Yes, I don't mean to keep "Ancient North Eurasians" as the page title for an article of wider scope. We can of course build a new article from scratch and keep Ancient North Eurasians as is (but less coatrackish). It will certainly be fun to cover the whole topic range of the Genetic history of East Siberia (or watchamacallit...), from the makeup of the earliest populations to their traces in modern populations from Europe to the Americas, but also how their genetic heritage increasingly became diluted in its "home area" with repeated ingressions of East Asian ancestry. –Austronesier (talk) 10:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

How about one of us starts a sandbox 'Genetic history of East Watchamacallit', we add the worthwhile information from the ANE article to it, then add some other stuff from Yana, Kolyma1, etc., then delete the ANE article and move the new article to mainspace (pending consensus, time, etc.)? It does sound fun, doesn't it? 😊👍  Tewdar  10:46, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

In any case, we could just start working on the new article, no matter what the fate of Ancient North Eurasians turns out to be...  Tewdar  10:56, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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SPI mess-up

Hi Hunan201p! This SPI was clearly misplaced: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vamlos/Archive#17_November_2022. The editor behind these IPs obviously is the Austrian IP, not DH/Vamlos etc.

The story goes like this: the original "WCF" was the same person as DH/Vamlos etc. At a later stage, a sock farm surrounding User:Kumasojin 熊襲 (original sockmaster: User:Satoshi Kondo = "Austrian IP") was erroneously conflated with WCF. Subsequently, the original WCF and the "Austrian IP" were handled in one SPI, resulting in a weird assemblage of blocked editors with completely different editing profiles.

Finally, these two actors have been disentangled, but paradoxically, it was Vamlos that was split out, even though he is the original WCF, while the "Austrian IP" remains as the sockmaster in the WCF-SPI page.

If you detect the smell of a sock spirit and are unsure which one of these two actors it is, you can ping me first. I think I have developed quite a sense for keeping these two troublesome individuals apart. Austronesier (talk) 16:52, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for stopping by to deliver the good news. It is regrettable that I filed for the wrong character, but this has always been a crapshoot. As for how the false negative mess got started... I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Anyway, it goes without saying that I appreciate your constant assistance and vigilance against the sock activity. I'll filter my suspicions to you in the future, but we're still halfway in perdition without you and Spicy on the CheckUser team. - Hunan201p (talk) 21:27, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

It's all here, and it spite of their drama and foul play, this statement looks absolutely credible. Actually, this guy would be a good editor (by diligence, curiosity etc.) if he weren't such a bad editor (by standards of collaborativeness, credibility, competence, self-reflection etc.). And he will hardly be able to restore community trust with such a record of deception and disruption. It takes more than lip service, especially when at the same time actively editing with sock accounts (I have twothree potential candidates on my radar, but not fully ripe yet for an SPI).

The original WCF is deeply stuck and unshaken in racialism, thus a net-negative by all parameters IMO. –Austronesier (talk) 22:07, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

The fuck😂.... –Austronesier (talk) 22:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

This is honestly sad. It's like a kamikaze mission at this point. I wholeheartedly agree about their continued misconduct. I was actually willing to give them the benefit of a doubt until I saw that they were continuing to slash content under different webhosts. There's just no potential for trust here.

I'm really surprised that no one has floated the idea of just EC locking all the targeted articles, given the perpetual cycle of abuse.

Austria is a very interesting country and I have often wondered why Austrian IPs are commonly shared between these socks. - Hunan201p (talk) 22:49, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

It's actually simple and unspectacular: most likely that's where he lives. Apparently he is a native German speaker, see their global edit counts. He is notorious in de.WP, too. Unlike the original WCF and socks –Austronesier (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

You may have noticed that I have "thanked" you for an edit earlier. Don't take it literally, but as a hint related to this discussion. I'm watching closely and can't wait to get more linguistic cues. –Austronesier (talk) 17:40, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I remember the activity from a while back.... From Austrian and Kazakhstan IPs.

Austria

Kazakhstan

Examples: ,

The Ipv4 also has a history of interacting with WCF socks like SapmiSamo. - Hunan201p (talk) 23:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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