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	:Adding this type of hatnote gets discussed every few months on this talk page. It hasn't received enough support to achieve consensus, I also suggest you read the old discussions in the archives so as not to retread old ground.--] (]) 11:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)		:Adding this type of hatnote gets discussed every few months on this talk page. It hasn't received enough support to achieve consensus, I also suggest you read the old discussions in the archives so as not to retread old ground.--] (]) 11:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
	::When my battery's charged I will, although if it hasn't achieved consensus yet I don't see that as a reason not to try again. People might feel differently this time ] (]) 11:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)		::When my battery's charged I will, although if it hasn't achieved consensus yet I don't see that as a reason not to try again. People might feel differently this time ] (]) 11:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
⚫	:::Well one reason "not to try" is because it's officially endorsing certain beliefs and by extent condemning other ones. Not everybody believes in the same things, including regarding suicide, not everybody thinks it's unethical, or something to be prevented, some believe the exact opposite, different people and societies across time view it in many many different ways.
⚫	:::It's not our place to support certain beliefs and not all the rest. Misplaced Pages should be a place of impartiality. The article should only contain the relevant and unbiased information on the topic, not prejudicial notes. ] (]) 17:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
	We shouldn't even have the "for information on prevention" note in the first place. We definitely shouldn't be adding any more. --] (]) (]) 10:47, 30 August 2022 (UTC)		We shouldn't even have the "for information on prevention" note in the first place. We definitely shouldn't be adding any more. --] (]) (]) 10:47, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

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	:Did you read the information in the banner at the top regarding this? ] (]) 02:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)		:Did you read the information in the banner at the top regarding this? ] (]) 02:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
		⚫	:::Well one reason "not to try" is because it's officially endorsing certain beliefs and by extent condemning other ones. Not everybody believes in the same things, including regarding suicide, not everybody thinks it's unethical, or something to be prevented, some believe the exact opposite, different people and societies across time view it in many many different ways.
		⚫	:::It's not our place to support certain beliefs and not all the rest. Misplaced Pages should be a place of impartiality. The article should only contain the relevant and unbiased information on the topic, not prejudicial notes. ] (]) 17:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

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Help for suicidal people

I think there should be two hatnotes below the existing ones. The first one should link to the Misplaced Pages article on suicide crisis lines, saying something like: If you are feeling suicidal, you deserve to feel better and can find worldwide crisis lines from people who will listen to you from this article: List of suicide crisis lines

And the second one should say: For a list of resources actively maintained by the Wikimedia Foundation, see Meta:Mental health resources.

They should be a couple spaces below the already existing ones so it'll catch the eye of suicidal people immediately Stephanie921 (talk) 10:13, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Adding this type of hatnote gets discussed every few months on this talk page. It hasn't received enough support to achieve consensus, I also suggest you read the old discussions in the archives so as not to retread old ground.--Megaman en m (talk) 11:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

When my battery's charged I will, although if it hasn't achieved consensus yet I don't see that as a reason not to try again. People might feel differently this time Stephanie921 (talk) 11:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

We shouldn't even have the "for information on prevention" note in the first place. We definitely shouldn't be adding any more. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 10:47, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

There should be a link to support services for suicidal people. -cspan02 (talk) 23:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Did you read the information in the banner at the top regarding this? DonIago (talk) 02:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Well one reason "not to try" is because it's officially endorsing certain beliefs and by extent condemning other ones. Not everybody believes in the same things, including regarding suicide, not everybody thinks it's unethical, or something to be prevented, some believe the exact opposite, different people and societies across time view it in many many different ways.

It's not our place to support certain beliefs and not all the rest. Misplaced Pages should be a place of impartiality. The article should only contain the relevant and unbiased information on the topic, not prejudicial notes. 76.253.186.239 (talk) 17:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Hatnote and trigger words

I'd propose to have the phrase "kill yourself" not appear in the intro of the article. Read in the wrong mindset can act as an imperative trigger phrase. - Klein Muçi (talk) 00:48, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

The hatnote is currently unnecessary as Kill yourself no longer redirects to Suicide, but instead to Kill Yourself, a disambiguation page. This change was made without discussion by an IP in July 2021 and warrants discussion, so I have nominated it at RfD. If the consensus in that RfD is to target this article, then the hatnote should remain; otherwise, it can be removed. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I have removed the hatnote, since it's unnecessary. If the RfD decides to move it back here, then I guess we'll have to add the hat note back, but it seems unnecessary. I am sympathetic to those who point out that the language is triggering. It is at least jarring. --Rockstone 08:26, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Lower-case kill yourself should redirect here instead of to treatment of things that use it for a title. The concept of triggering is triggering. ("Misplaced Pages is not censored" is specifically posted and linked at the top of this page.) Even so, to avoid legitimate trauma or ill effects, it'd still be better to handle the topic down in the #See also section rather than at the very top of the article. — LlywelynII 19:09, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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Davidson's Principles and Practice of Medicine pg 131 https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Davidson_s_Principles_and_Practice_of_Me/v3VKDwAAQBAJ?hl=en 2401:4900:61B4:2EB5:0:0:E21:502F (talk) 09:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 12:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

History

It's tighter and better written than History of suicide and Suicide in antiquity but if anything it's even more WP:BIASed. I get that USians kinda default to history being Greece>Rome>Christians>Renaissance>England>USAUSAUSA but this topic kinda demands a little broader treatment. India, China, and Japan all somewhat ridiculously show up 12–18 times each in other locations but not once in the History section. Judaism involves rather a bit of history and shouldn't be dealt with only as an afterthought in the religion section. Et multa multa multa cetera. — LlywelynII 19:05, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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