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24 December 2024
News and notes: Responsibilities and liabilities as a "Very Large Online Platform" Op-ed: Beeblebrox on Wikipediocracy, the Committee, and everything Opinion: Graham87 on being the first-ever administrator recall subject In the media: Delhi High Court considers Caravan and Ken for evaluating the ANI vs. WMF case From the archives: Where to draw the line in reporting? Recent research: "Misplaced Pages editors are quite prosocial", but those motivated by "social image" may put quantity over quality Humour: Backlash over Santa Claus' Misplaced Pages article intensifies Gallery: A feast of holidays and carols Traffic report: Was a long and dark December
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Fox News article

Clearly I have upset you. That was not my intent. I would not be involved but I was invited to help mediate the situation. I am not arguing against your position, but I will argue that a consensus was met. And so what if it was. Notice that I didn't change the article, and I also thought some of the recent changes were not helpful. I was pointed to an archive where consensus was met, but I saw a lot of bickering, and several of the latter points of the thread were about how the article was wrong, so I just don't get it. Then you accuse me of strong arming the discussion. Consensus isn't met because people give up on the fight. If you have a point to make, go ahead and make it. I am willing to listen, but the only argument for keeping the controversay in the intro was "we all agreed", but that isn't a reason at all. And frankly, it's disappointing that so many of us would rather get their way or quit rather than discuss the issue at hand. Bytebear 19:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, this was a long time coming, and your comment was merely the last straw. I enjoy editing Misplaced Pages, but I no longer enjoy editing Fox News Channel. Rather than a group of people working together to improve an article, it has become a two sided fight where each side refuses to see the middle ground. Too much work was put into the current version to have it gutted by a sockpuppet and its sidekick (No, not referring to you). I appreciate your help, and seeing how you've danced with the devil himself (Duke53) and lived to tell the tale, I know you mean well. I simply cannot continue to edit that article if I want to be a part of this project. It's too much of an annoyance. AuburnPilot 19:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I know your comments are not directed to me, and I willingly jumped into the snake pit. It's fairly easy to see which editors are looking to make an article better, and not just making it fit their personal POV. Don't give up. Just take a break. Even good ol' Duke will slink away after a while. Bytebear 19:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The (fatal) flaw of Misplaced Pages is that the instant you "give up" then you've invalidated the entire validity of the project. Of course, that only occurs writ large when the number of editors married to stubbornness/ignorance/bad faith outnumbers the righteous who "fight the good fight." Keep in mind, this is not a "two sided fight where each side refuses to see the middle ground" -- this is the defense of a valid good faith effort sucessfully concluded by eighteen editors against a few who refuse to read the history involved and who sling the same invalid arguments. I completely understand the level of frustration, but if you give up, and I give up, then what happens to Misplaced Pages? Come back. /Blaxthos 20:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe some time away from that article will be enough. Writing articles and editing pre-existing articles where every change isn't met with hostility will be nice for a while (I've already started a new article and uploaded a couple pics). I'll give it a week and reconsider, but as of now, I can't possibly continue that argument. AuburnPilot 20:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I will carry on with task-force duty, however I strongly welcome your return should you decide to come back. I find myself unwilling to give up on something we've all worked so hard to accomplish. Misplaced Pages relies on the conflict model to operate -- the tug of war is what keeps all sides in check, so to speak, however the system breaks down when good men become tired of drawing lines in the sand. Hope we can stay in touch; though our political philosophies probably differ, I can honestly say I was always glad to know you were keeping and eye out and also trying to keep things right. War Eagle! /Blaxthos 22:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

We'll see how things are after a good break from that article, but every time I saw Talk:Fox News Channel on my watchlist, I just wanted to close my laptop and walk away. Even if I don't return to that article, I'll still be around. I've appreciated your opinion on everything wiki, and I'm sure I will still pop over to your talk page when I need a second opinion. Funny enough, looking at our contributions, I'd bet our political philosophies are completely opposite, but as we both try to maintain a WP:NPOV, it hasn't been an issue. Keep them in line! _Eagle - AuburnPilot 23:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Tally-ho! Good to see you've returned to everyones favorite POV meca, even if just for a brief revert. Politics aside, I'm always glad to have an honest foil on the other side of the aisle -- I'll take a conservative who tries to comply with WP:NPOV over a "progressive" who pushes an agenda any day of the week. Hope all is well! /Blaxthos 20:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I re-added it to my watchlist at the beginning of last week (or so) just to see if things had died down. Amazing how nearly every "user" who comes by to say consensus has changed has been a sockpuppet. Hopefully we won't have to actually revisit that issue for a while... auburnpilot talk 16:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Good to see you're also keeping up your obligations to the Tasty Signature Award. /Blaxthos 19:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes ;-) . auburnpilot talk 06:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

"live one"

Do you think this guy is a nutjob or a troll? /Blaxthos 00:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the comments about being a "different character" and how we killed off "the other character", nutjob might be the right word. This guy's talk page is even stranger....has an OCD feel to it. The sockpuppet case is open, and he knowingly used a separate account to avoid a block; another block isn't far away. auburnpilot talk 02:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Fox News Channel

Wow! Thanks! That was fast! I responded back in the Talk:Fox_News_Channel again on the topic. ZacBowling 01:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for your advice! Sasha best February 08 2007

No problem. I believe your edit was sound and an edit summary goes a long way on a contentious article. auburnpilot talk 16:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Sockpuppets

Ah, missed it. I check in on the commonly hit pages every so often, but it usually seems like somebody else spots him first and lets me know about it. Thanks! Luna Santin 04:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Reporter Working on a Misplaced Pages Story

I'm putting together a story on the challenges involved in keeping ideologically charged Misplaced Pages pages up, open and unlocked. I'm really interested in tracking down people that monitor and manage such pages. Examples include: George W. Bush's page, the page on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the page on The Armenian Genocide and pages on creationism and evolution. I see that you’ve worked on the Bush page a lot. I was wondering if you might be willing to talk to me about the challenges of keeping pages like this up and unlocked. If you have any thoughts on tracking down the right person to talk to for a story like this, please shoot them my way. I hope to get in contact with you. You can email me here: matt.phillips@wsj.com

Thanks much, Matt —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MattPhillips33 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Responded via email. auburnpilot talk 07:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Image/copyright tagging

Hi Auburn Pilot,

I'm terribly confused about copyright and the Lucien Durosoir image I uploaded. I took a photo of this picture, which is over 100 years old and is owned by Lucien Durosoir's son. I have his full permission to use it on Misplaced Pages. Which copyright option should I choose?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnspowell (talk • contribs) 15:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi John, I'd be happy to take a look and assume you are referring to Image:Durosoirconcertposter.jpg which you uploaded 16 January 2007. If not, let me know. Unfortunately, full permission to use on Misplaced Pages isn't enough. The image must be licensed in such a way that permits both commercial reuse and derivative works. If the image had been released in the United States before 1923, {{PD-US}} would be the appropriate tag. However, it doesn't appear from the image to have been a US Copyright issue. I'm really not familiar enough with copyright to help you with an image produced outside the US, but you can find a full list of the copyright tags here. There are many pages devoted to this topic, most of which can be found within Category:Misplaced Pages image help. Sorry I couldn't be more help, auburnpilot talk 19:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Article protection

Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying that. -Bluedog423 18:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Would you accept a nomination?

Hello AuburnPilot, I think you have more than the amount of experiance, dedication, and trust to become an administrator. The last I checked, your user box indicated that you were not a sysop, but would hope to be one. You have also been a great help for the community against vandalism. Would you accept a nomination? I have not done any of the steps.--Wikipedier (talk • contribs) 02:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Allright, I'm thrilled to see you decided to accept yourself on the RfA, and wish you the best of luck! I'm sure you'll do great!--Wikipedier (talk • contribs) 21:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the wishes of good luck and your comments on the RfA itself. I'm hopeful that it will pass, and look forward to helping out where I can. auburnpilot talk 18:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi AuburnPilot, I noticed you and a few other editors say sometimes in your edit summary, "JS:Reverted vandalism by X to last version by Y" as opposed to "Reverted edits by X(talk) to last version by Y". What does the JS mean?--Wikipedier (talk • contribs) 01:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I use WP:TWINKLE to revert vandalism, report vandals, and tag speedy deletions. The JS in the edit summary, as far as I know, stands for JavaScript. You can find quite a few user scripts at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts. auburnpilot talk 01:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd certainly second the nomination. I notice you changed your adminship interest status recently. I've been pondering it a bit myself. You'll be a shoo-in; what do you think of my chances? /Blaxthos 05:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

(cross posted to Wikipedier's talk page) Thanks very much for the offer. I was actually contacted by another use via email a few days ago asking if I would accept a nomination. My concern is that my participation in deletion discussions is quite limited. It is an area of Misplaced Pages that is of no interest to me, and I only participate when I stumble across a nominated article/category/misc. I've seen too many good users massacred at RfA for this reason, and must decline a nomination at this time. I will most likely submit to an editor review in the coming weeks, and would appreciate any feedback you can provide. Again, thanks very much for the offer. auburnpilot talk 16:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:Blue maps of states

I don't want my maps to be orphaned. - Patricknoddy 14:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Commons User Assertion

I assert to be the same user as commons:User:AuburnPilot auburnpilot talk 05:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Fucken retard

u are a fucken retard and so is leo mavidis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.194.50.80 (talk) 09:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Awww, I feel the love. auburnpilot talk 09:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I WANT 2 GET BLOCKED

block me you retard —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.194.50.80 (talk) 09:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Don't you love the way the HagermanBot even signs abuse messages (above, and diff), and gives a nice message on their talk page? Awesome. ConDem 09:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, now that's funny. You just have to love HangermanBot lending a vandal some helpful advice; definitely don't want prize comments like these to go unattributed. auburnpilot talk 09:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello there,,,this is getting ridiculous

We have not agreed much at all...but I admire your convicitions and the dissappearance of any past tension 'tension'...If you find more ridiculous sockpuppets on the Fox News Talk Page. PLEASE let me know on my talk page or by e-mailing me so we can get rid of these thugs (thats what they are) as quickly as possible... lets atleast come together on this topic...also if you encounter any such problems elsewhere on any article,,, please also let me know...I am SICK of it and would like to help get rid of all sockpuppets no matter what their affiliation. Look forward to your response, and working on this one topic which we share in common. Thank you for looking out! OfForByThePeople 00:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the comments and look forward to working together as well. Hopefully these people will move on with their lives and allow us to get back to writing articles, rather than fighting off the puppets/crazies. auburnpilot talk 02:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

AIV

Thanks for letting me know. Oguz1 (talk · contribs) reported Khoikhoi, Artaxiad and ROOB323 just because we disagree with his belief that the Armenian Genocide never occurred in the city of Ordu. He seriously doesn't understand what AIV is for. Nishkid64 18:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

This is not about "beliefs". It's about neutrality and facts. I disagree with your sources which I discussed as POV and yet you still revert without reciprocating. I never went on the Ordu page and put any belief on there saying "Armenian Genocide never occurred in the city of Ordu." You are the promptting this defending the anonymous entry made on/by 14:28, 22 September 2006 70.82.54.38. You also blocked another user Finduk for disagreeing with you while pretending to be non-biased yourself. If that's not abuse, I don't know what is. --Oguz1 19:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

ORDU vandalism

OK but, they won't discuss, dispute, or argue that it's not POV, and still revert - what's that called? Ordu--Oguz1 19:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It's called a content dispute. You are within 1 edit of violating the WP:3RR. Please do not revert again. auburnpilot talk 19:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

I don't consider the post that I made on the George Bush page to be vandalism. It is just me expressing my feelings about this boorish character. Sorry if I offended you or any Misplaced Pages users, but I am going to continue expressing my feelings. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nathan (talk • contribs) 02:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

This is not the place for you to express your feelings; see WP:SOAP. If you continue to do so, your account will be infinitely blocked from editing. auburnpilot talk 06:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

misc comment

What's an auburn fan doing defending the bama page?????? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.114.121.212 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism is vandalism, regardless of the page. auburnpilot talk 06:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the welcome. - Lake Ontario 06:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Good work

Keep on finding those vandals and making those reports to AIV. You're doing a great job helping to keep Misplaced Pages free of defacement. We need lots of people like you! Cheers, Heimstern Läufer 08:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Phallic Fulgarite

I am writing regarding your characterization of my edit to the fulgarite article as vandalism, or in your "words," a test--and the concomitant personal comment, "Harvard, tisk tisk." I would have you know that as a tenured geologist, I have done extensive research into the properties of fulgarite, and, as a matter of fact, my comparison of the mineral to the male sexual organ is visually, topologically and culturally accurate. Once formed from lightning, fulgarite exhibits a uneven, partially tapered structure, from shaft to tip, that is extraordinarly evocative of the phallus. As a result, many societies throughout human history have considered fulgarite to be a symbol of virility. The mineral makes several prominent appearances in Anasazi pornographic lore. The carrot, to which fulgarite was previously likened in the eponymous article, does not display an exponential rate of change in its radius as a function of height, as does both fulgarite and the penis. Frankly, I wonder if you have ever set eyes on fulgarite material in your life. In the future you shouldn't be too hasty to foist your uninformed ego on the flow of information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.247.46.130 (talk) 10:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

Well, as much as I appreciate your comments, I assure you my intentions are not to "foist uninformed ego on the flow of information". When I reverted your change and labeled it vandalism and/or a test, I was reverting several edits per minute in what we refer to as recent changes patrol. Seeing somebody change "carrot" to "penis" without a citation or edit summary was cause for reversion. Without a citation, changes often amount to original research which Misplaced Pages has a policy against. This seems especially true as you have based your changes on your own research/experience. Feel free to reinstate your changes if you can provide reliable sources to backup the claim. Thanks for helping out and you have my apologies for labeling your edit vandalism. auburnpilot talk 17:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Rice Poll Results

AuburnPilot,

Since you apparently believe the characterization I have made is not neutral, please consider posing the following question to some neutral acquaintances you may have.

Polling results for three individuals rate performance in two categories, “Excellent/Pretty Good” and “Only Fair/Poor”. The “Excellent/Pretty Good” percentage results for the three individuals are as follows: A-46; B-32; and C-29; and the “Only Fair/Poor Ratings” are A-48, B-66; and C-58. Which of the following are fair to say regarding A’s results? 1. A has the highest job rating of the group. 2. A has the least disfavorable job rating of the group. 3. A has less than a 50% favorability job rating 4. A has a disfavorable job rating

If you think this question is unfair, please let me know how you would make it fairer. Thank you for your communication.Ohioan1 14:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems I was looking at the categories of the CBS Poll directly above the Harris Poll, which you were referring to. As to your questions, I would actually say A has the highest job rating of the group. Maybe I'm just optimistic ;-). Besides, "least disfavorable" implies that all aspects in comparison are also "disfavorable" which would be putting a POV spin on the results. Disfavorable doesn't even seem to be a word; I think you're looking for "unfavorable" . auburnpilot talk 17:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:AWB

Yes, I saw I was approved, so I tried it out. I hated it. - Patricknoddy 12:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I gave your contribs a quick look and thought you may have missed your approval. It wasn't exactly what I expected either, but it makes quick work of scanning articles for spelling errors. This is what I was needing (semi-automated spell check), and it works quite well. Thanks, auburnpilot talk 19:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

William March

Thanks for your edits on the William March page, they do not go unnoticed! - Diarmada 21:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the nomination, I would truly love seeing William March's story discussed and discovered....he is one of the great tragedies of the last century, no wonder they are considered the "lost generation"....it is also quite sad that his story is not even well known in the state that he so loved...there are many reasons to this, but of them all, none are more potent than the realization that education in our fair state is less than stellar on literary subjects and literature in general, but the times they are a changing... - Diarmada 12:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

On a side note, I created this userbox, thought you might like to see it...

This user believes that William March is the unrecognized genius of our time

- Diarmada 12:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

AuburnPilot,

Thank you for the greeting; I hope to learn my way around Misplaced Pages without too many missteps. CharliePATpk 18:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Adminship

Here you go:

Let me know when you've answered the questions and are ready to post! Good luck! Kafziel 20:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Second opinion

I have a situation brewing and want to check myself before going further by way of a second opinion, just to see if I'm off base. I'm not sure if it's something you want to dive into in the middle of your (long overdue) RfA, so I can consult elsewhere if now isn't convenient. You're kindof my go-to guy for second opinions (if you can't trust a Tiger, who can you trust?)... hope it's not inconvenient.  ;-) /Blaxthos 05:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

No trouble at all. I'll give it a look (I assume the IBM image issue) and get back to you sometime today. auburnpilot talk 09:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Shrew lad

Hi, just thought I'd let you know I decided to err on the lenient side and not block that user indef, since not all edits seemed to be clearly vandalism. I do kind of hope just a two-day block might shape him/her up, though I suppose it's not too likely. Heimstern Läufer 07:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I gave his/her contribs a quick look and didn't see much of anything other than image related and other vandalism, but if s/he turns out to be a solid contributer, all the better. Thanks for the note. auburnpilot talk 09:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Tornadoes

I hope you and yours are okay. Kafziel 02:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Same here

I know it was all near your part of the state, hope all is well and power is restored soon - Diarmada 12:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks

Fortunately my family and I were far enough away to not receive any damage and the only tree to fall in my neighborhood was the one between me and the telephone pole. Killed the phone, tv, internet, and power but I'm back up and running. auburnpilot talk 06:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Research service

Hey man, thanks for your opinion regarding the image dispute. That's why I asked for a second opinion from someone I trust. I'm considereing offering my resources to interested wikipedia editors, and want to know if you think it's a good idea. Check out my idea at User:Blaxthos/Research requests and let me know if you think it's a good idea that will be used, or if it's a potential nightmare of trollish requests and time-sucking futility. thanks, and congrats on the near-unanimous RfA! /Blaxthos 20:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad to help. If you're willing to put in the effort, it could be a great service and I definitely like the idea. I'm just not sure how to get the word out. Is it something you're wanting to keep in your userspace or eventually move into a full WikiProject? Obviously in your own space, you have a bit more control. auburnpilot talk 20:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not interested in getting the word out too much -- I am not going to have a lot of time to answer requests, and I definitely don't want to get ahead of myself and the disappoint a bunch of people. It's definitely a userspace project, and although I think it would make a good WikiResource, I don't think it would be wise to do so without a good support team of researchers. Also, maybe one with the same mission already exists (reference desk or something?)... I haven't looked. Just an idea I've been kicking around. Appreciate the input. /Blaxthos 21:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look around, but I haven't come across such as service on-Wiki. I think (though I've never used it) the RefDesk works more like a Google Answers type service, backed up by searching Misplaced Pages. You're right about keeping it in userspace; elsewhere would require much more users with similar access. Maybe put up a notice on your userpage and see if anybody bites. auburnpilot talk 21:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

I know it's a bit early, but I think it's safe to say you'll be an admin within a couple of hours. Thanks for being willing to give this a shot; I know you'll do a great job with your new tools. If you ever need anything, you know where to find me. Kafziel 18:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

And now it's official, you're an admin. Spend some time on the administrator's reading list, don't hesitate to ask questions if you're unsure, and I'm sure you'll do fine. Keep up the good work, and again, congrats. - Taxman 21:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's official. Big congrats. Always good to have another Auburn grad around here. Likewise, if you every need any help just let me know. Best, --Alabamaboy 21:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!--Wikipedier (talk • contribs) 21:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC) Warning to vandals, Misplaced Pages has a new vandal-fighting admin.--Wikipedier (talk • contribs) 04:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks everyone. I'll do my best to use the tools wisely. auburnpilot talk 02:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the revert on my user page :-) - Myanw 08:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Juan Smith

He looks like a scrotum face tho, let me edit that page on him. The people have the right to know! He also sucks ass (literally and figuratively) and thats a fact. Haha anyway how was your weekend?!?!?!? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LKWJE (talk • contribs) 09:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

== Hey, god morning. I would liek to respectfully pose a quetsion. In response to my vandalism report...

• Nescio (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Could somebody please warn him not to to blow away comments I make to article talk pages.--Dr who1975 06:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You said it wasn't vandalism. While there is nothing specific in wikipedia guidlines on Misplaced Pages:Vandalism. Isn;t there a rule about reverting discussion pages?!? I mean... what would you do if somebody habitually blew away entire discussion pages for instance?--Dr who1975 15:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)