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== Overview table inconsistency with Type-C ==

In the table in the overview section, USB Type-C is written as being introduced with USB 2.0. However, that seems impossible, since the Misplaced Pages page for Type-C says it was introduced in August 2014. Shouldn't it instead be changed to be available with 3.1 and up (2014 and after), and N/A before that?

--] (]) 20:15, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
:Agreed this makes sense... I fixed this along with some other table cleanup. However, while this is intuitive to the reader, there is some ambiguity as USB-C connectors need to be backwards compatible to USB 2.0 data/power spec... --''']''' ]] 09:31, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

== Article conflated the USB Specification with the USB Connector Types ==

It's important to be clear about whether it is discussing the ''specification'' or the ''connector types''. Granted the various revisions of the USB spec are pretty confusing, the article should do it's best to not confuse the reader. I've done my best to clean up some of the article. More work is needed, especially as there are multiple specifications now with the power delivery stuff. Please comment/fix if I screwed something up. --''']''' ]] 10:08, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
:Please stop, as I think you’re making the confusion worse. A specification document can have errors, without the standard itself being erroneous, which is why a specification document can have its own versioning separate from the versioning of the standard itself. Here, you have tried to say “USB specification 1.1”, for example, but that suggests it’s version 1.1 of the specs for a standard called “USB”, but in fact, the standard itself is called “USB 1.1”.
:Specifically, the actual documentation for the various USB standards follow the titling convention “USB 2.0 Specification”, and these in turn have a version (by release date). Coming up with wiki article headings very similar to those formal titles is not a great idea. — ] (]) 12:56, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
::Good points. We're in agreement that confusion is bad. So how can we word the distinction between the standard/specs and the connector type? "USB" by itself is unclear. --''']''' ]] 17:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)


== "Endpoints" should not be used in hardware communications == == "Endpoints" should not be used in hardware communications ==

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"Endpoints" should not be used in hardware communications

You should not use the term "Endpoints" or "start point" outside networking--OSI layer 2 perhaps 3. This confuses the reader who does have a networking background. 23.127.12.137 (talk) 02:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

USB - Ethernet data adapters

Since many new PCs have dropped an Ethernet connector, there is interest in USB to Ethernet connectors for high speed and hopefully, secure QoS connections. I see discussion of Ethernet power issues, but not Ethernet data related issues associated with USB 3 etc. Some links to relevant info, at least would be very helpful. CuriousMarkE (talk) 04:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

DEPRECATED ? Possible misuse of this word

As a native US english speaker, I do not understand this use of "depricated". Perhaps there is some new definition becoming popular, but I think the dictionary definition should be used. deprecated Nightwatchrenband (talk) 21:32, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

See Deprecation, which explains the use of the term with regard to computer hardware, software and programming. General Ization 21:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
It's great to check the definition. Using the link supplied by Nightwatchrenband I find:
"3. Computers To mark (a component of a software standard) as obsolete to warn against its use in the future so that it may be phased out."
So I see no misuse (allowing that the definition be broadened to include also electronic hardware).
I also note from the same link:
"Usage Note: Deprecate originally meant "to pray in order to ward off something, ward off by prayer." , the word developed ."
Even though I am omitting the original context, the point is that the meaning of words is known to develop over time, and continues even now.
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Micro-B schematic's shape

I don't quite 'get' the schematic of the Micro-B USB connector (or "receptacle"). https://en.wikipedia.org/USB#/media/File:USB_Micro-B_receptacle.svg

The way it's drawn, it looks like two or three things overlaid on one another, and it's hard to judge the shape: it kind of looks like an oblong (rounded rectangle).

Whereas from the USB connector article. it's more apparent that the Micro-B USB connector has a kind of 'bevel' on two edges. Why isn't that shown in the schematic in this article? It would make it much easier to match up the schematic with the shape of the plug (and perhaps the socket too).

UPDATE: OK, I see the issue. This article is using the vague term "connector", which I was interpreting as the plug, but actually the schematics are of sockets (or "receptacles"). This wording at least should be amended in the article here. But it's also worth (re)considering whether it's more helpful to show the socket or the plug — or (if possible) both.

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USB-C is again listed under USB 2.0

I'm not sure what the ideal presentation is, but the current one is both misleading and strictly incorrect. The specification for the Type-C connector was released independently from the versioned USB standards, and wasn't defined directly in a "main" standard until USB 3.2. USB-C ports (host or device) and cables are also not limited to operating at speeds defined by later specifications. The Type-C specification even explicitly states "he USB D+/D− signal pair is intended to transmit the USB 2.0 Low-Speed, Full-Speed and High-Speed signaling" (USB Type-C specification rev 2.2 § 3.3.1), so "USB 1.1" speeds are explicitly supported. I don't think it makes sense to place the type-C connector only under the USB 3.2 section of the table, but it definitely doesn't make sense to have it start at USB 2.0. If USB 1.0 and 1.1 are considered "Backwards compatibility only" (already an unclear label), then USB 2.0 definitely should be as well.

Additionally, perhaps the table's heading, "Available sockets by USB standard", could also be changed to facilitate the table both being more clear and more technically accurate? Qyriad (talk) 00:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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