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You should disclose that Jim Michael is your other account for full disclosure and not be accused of violating policy on having multiple accounts. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:25, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

I did so on Talk:2022 for over 48 hours before I deleted it, because 2022 is the article I currently edit the most often. It's a successor account rather than alternate. I'm making it clear that it's me by using a very similar name. I stopped using my old account before I created this one, so I've not had multiple active accounts. I stayed logged into my previous account & forgot the log in details. When the laptop I used stopped working, I needed to start a new account using my new laptop. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 13:35, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

I can tell it's still really you by the way you hold firm to the exact same "99% of readers" factoid that only a true Jim Michael could possibly claim to know. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I make it crystal clear it's still me & I opened this account within hours of being unable to use my old one.

It's a clear fact, not a factoid. The victims were ordinary people, not celebrities. The proportion of readers who would've personally known the victims couldn't amount to as much as 1% of the large number of readers of that article, WP readers in general, or the general public. There can't be thousands of people reading it, discovering that people whom they personally know are among the victims. What's most puzzling about the editors who want the victims' names added is that most only want the names added to articles about killings in the US & perhaps Canada. They don't care about what is or isn't in articles about similar events that happened in the rest of the world. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 09:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I know. And every time you say that, someone else mentions how these previously unknown people became known to the general public through significant coverage from the same multiple independent sources that tell the world the shooter's name, local business and street names and often lawyer, judge or spokesperson names, but not third-world atrocity victim's names. We've all been through this in so many places that our names are probably recognized by a growing percentage of casual Misplaced Pages observers. Is that how you want to be remembered, the guy who says nobody cares about victims and those who do are a extremely fringe minority brainwashed by sensationalist tabloid gossip? If so, ignore my repeated attempts to sway you toward a better path. I won't mind. You've certainly done it before and I still think you're mostly cool. Cheers to choices! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

The victims haven't become well-known. They're stated by some media orgs, but the vast majority of people who read/hear their names quickly forget them.

Our screennames are recognised by many people who frequently edit WP, but they're a small minority of readers & an even smaller proportion of the population. Those people don't know anything else about us, other than which articles we edit. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 10:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Speak for yourself, I have eight YouTube subscribers! Not sure why, I have no content. And if the system hadn't written that number down, I'd have forgotten it, too. That's the whole point of recording specific information about historic events on the Internet, I figure, A crutch of knowledge, relieving humanity's individual minds of their ancient burdens of memorizing all these facts and figures. In your perfect hypothetical word, those who inevitably forget a part of what happened would be doomed to stay that way forever. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I also have a few followers on my YT account which I've never uploaded any content to. I guess our followers are interested in the comments we've written.

The victims' names aren't an important part of the event, which is why few people remember them. Knowing them doesn't help readers understand what happened. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 11:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

How many people do you think remember the time of day, exact quotes and spatial coordinates regarding these shootings? Damn few, sir! As long as threre are people like me outnumbering people like you, the dead people in stories about dead people shall remain as easily recollected around here. But more importantly, I learned something today: "Posterity" isn't what I'd long thought it was. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Time & location are relevant facts. The perpetrator chooses what to do & when, unless they're directed by someone. However, the specific victims in most cases aren't known to him/her, except in cases in which the targets are his/her own family or colleagues. They're usually attacked because they happen to be there at the time. Even if victims are targeted by demographic, they're not usually individually chosen. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 12:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

To me, being chosen by a killer who also was obscure before they were killed isn't a factor, only whether they're subsequently identified as the ones who were in fact killed. Even in total accidents with no sentient killer. Anyway, going to bed, nice meeting your new self! InedibleHulk (talk) 12:33, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Section headings

Also, please stop changing talk page section headings for discussions you did not start. We leave these alone regardless of any errors they might have. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:06, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Many long-term, regular editors improve them if they're wrong, unclear, misleading, too long or not neutral. Also, in many instances a new heading is needed for a new topic, just like I've done here. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 17:20, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Consider this the last time I'll say this. If you change one more title section on any talk page that was not created by you, you will be reported at ANI for disruption. Changing the edits on others or what they post and on talk pages is not appropriate. Read Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines. And no, not a single one of these reverts were of your "correct edits". --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:31, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

As I've told you, improving section headings on talk pages is good practice. The link in your comment says to change headings when a better one is appropriate, so you berating & threatening me for improving them is wrong. It says: No-one, including the original poster, "owns" a talk page discussion or its heading. It is generally acceptable to change headings when a better heading is appropriate, e.g. one more accurately describing the content of the discussion or the issue discussed, less one-sided, more appropriate for accessibility reasons, etc.. Contrary to your claim, there's no prohibition on changing them. You're the only editor who frequently reverts my edits. You think that changing a heading to remove a description of an accused person as a killer on Talk:2022 Buffalo shooting is disruption? It's against policy to name an accused as a killer/shooter, even on talk pages. It's certainly correct to change that, yet you've reinstated that major violation of WP policy. You're often uncivil to other editors as well as me, which is also against one of the five pillars. You edit a very high proportion of the articles which I have, very soon after. You often go to articles merely to revert my edits, including my improvements to section headings, without making any comments on talk, nor constructive alterations to those articles. Therefore there's no doubt that you're following me. For example, I changed a misleading, badly-worded section heading on Talk:Manchester Arena bombing, explaining in my edit summary the good reason for making that improvement, yet you reverted it simply because it was a change that I made & you've chosen to make a habit of reverting my edits. It's you, not me, who's being disruptive. I never follow any editor. I don't know why you chose to start following me, but you shouldn't have. If you hadn't started following me, this problem would never have begun. If you stop following me, you won't even see the vast majority of my edits, let alone feel the need to revert them. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 20:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

You're still doing it frequently; looking up my contributions & going to articles frequently after I've edited them merely to revert me, often falsely claiming that no-one but the person who wrote section headings on talk pages is allowed to improve them. I don't know why you claim that, because you sent me a link which says that they should be improved, which contradicts your claim. You're the only person on WP who's harassing & stalking me & what you're doing is unacceptable because it's hostile, counter-productive & against WP rules. I never need to say this to anyone else, because no-one else does this to me. It's you who's in the wrong, not me, so stop doing it. I don't know why you chose to follow me in the first place, nor why you continue doing it frequently when you know you shouldn't. Don't look up my contributions, let alone follow me & revert me. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 17:33, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Page moves

Can you please slow down the page moves? Editors need time to discuss options. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I moved 2022 Buffalo shooting to Buffalo supermarket shooting because supermarket is a better disambiguator & there were no objections to my suggested move beforehand. I moved 2022 Laguna Woods church shooting back to Laguna Woods church shooting because the year isn't needed & it was moved without discussion. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Best to come to a consensus on an article's talk page. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Celaya massacre

Count me in as more than zero. Names of victims and suspects would really help. But I can't find a single source identifying any, and that's the problematic difference from other mass shootings; even the Spanish version is stuck with what it knows. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Most countries' media don't intrude into the lives of the victims of mass-casualty incidents. To do that is primarily a Western - especially American - thing.

Articles on mass shootings outside the developed world tend to be short because few editors are interested in them. Celaya massacre has been edited by 7 accounts; its Spanish article only by its creator. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 05:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

That doesn't change the fact that we editors who are interested in them can't find the names if we tried. Would it surprise you to learn the Kauhajoki school shooting wasn't Hawaiian and the Jokela school shooting did not go down in Missouri? If not, and you're just counting all relatively open and free reporting as "Western media", then yes, those are the countries that will naturally allow current events articles to grow in any source-based Misplaced Pages. Obviously, editors who only or mainly understand English have tendencies on this one. But I think you should try blaming your Plain Jane colleagues less and the traditional press restrictions in certain places more. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm been aware of those mass shootings in Finland for years. Though next to Russia, Finland is routinely regarded as being in the Western world, which backs my point about the Western media's publication of details of the lives of victims. I disagree with victims' names being included in mass-casualty incidents. I disagree even more with the proposal to include mini-biographies of victims on Robb Elementary School shooting, which if accepted would then spread to many other articles about mass shootings & perhaps other types of mass-casualty incidents. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 06:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I suppose the victim lists in only 40% of Category:School shootings in Russia are a bit telling. I'll see what I can see in the other three article's sources, maybe flesh them out Western-style. You're right about the tide turning slightly away from exclusive fascination with the killers' ordinary lives, though, acceptance is spreading. I don't expect you to ever agree with the underlying reasons for this trend, of course. But I do hope you one day come to appreciate how the names and tiny bios mean something you can't fathom to way more than 1% of the people here (as proven by the years of RfCs). InedibleHulk (talk) 07:26, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Some media orgs, politicians, WP editors are trying to make the coverage of mass shootings victim-focused. Some say that the perpetrators' names shouldn't be stated. However, such articles should be event-focused. Many details of the perps' lives are important to try to understand who they were & why they chose that course of action. Many of their lives are far from ordinary.

How can knowing the irrelevant details of the lives of the victims be of use to readers? Knowing about their hobbies, aspirations & families? RfCs don't prove that many people want mini-bios of the victims, because it's only within the last few days that there's been a push for that. Less than 1% of WP editors participated in the RfCs & other discussions about the inclusion of victims' names, so those don't indicate a high interest in their inclusion, merely the desire by a small number of editors to include them. In previous discussions on talk pages of mass shootings I said that one of the several reasons for my opposition to the inclusion of names was that it would be a slippery slope towards including mini-bios. My concern in that respect was dismissed by people who said I was creating a straw man & that no-one wanted mini-bios, because the only thing being argued for was names & ages. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 08:11, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

The devil is in some details. Knowing Payton Gendron spent time in the racist batshit corners of 4chan (AKA 4chan) during the pandemic, sure. That he copied his mass shooting manifesto from another kid's paper, good to know. But wanting to be a civil engineer like mommy and daddy, play games and watch YouTube or wear a hazmat suit to school one day? That's just pointless creepy voyeurism. At least explaining what a 4th grader or her cousin wanted to be if they grew up is relevant to why they went to class at all. Contrary to what you seem to consider popular opinion, not knowing a killer doesn't mean you "randomly" happened across him. Everyone has his or her reasons to be in any place, every time, right or wrong. Anyway, be careful out there! I know Brits aren't likely to shoot each other, but you never know when one'll suddenly flip out and settle it the old-fashioned way. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

And yes, If You Give a Mouse a Cookie, you should suspect a ruse (it's about 50-50). InedibleHulk (talk) 09:02, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

And no, I'm not just talking about the desires of less than 1% of RfC voters. I'm talking about their eternally true argument that multiple mainstream (and often reputable) sources run multiple features to the effect of "Who were the victims?". That indicates way more than 1% of the people here in the Western news audience are interested; the portion who get their current events from Google tend to easily find the Misplaced Pages articles, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm opposed to trivia about anyone being included.

We still don't know why Ramos carried out the shooting. The article gives no indication of why he chose his target, nor if he attended that school when he was a child. Even if he had a grudge against the school or anyone there, it's bizarre that he chose it years after leaving it. My point about randomness is that the specific victims - most or all of them were strangers whom he shot at random. They weren't on a hit list.

The long-term aspirations of the child victims aren't relevant & can't have been the reason they went to that school, nor have determined which class they were in. Kids that age can't choose which subjects to study or which school they attend. They also can't choose to not go.

Many media sources give mini-bios of the victims because they love to sensationalise & maximise their viewership/readership/profits. We don't have the same goals as news sites, nor should we. The people who want to read about the victims have plenty of sources for that. Many people may be interested in the lives of the victims, but fewer than 1% can gain any useful info from knowing about them. If we were to include & prioritise info based on popularity, ITN would have included a lot of frequently updated info about Depp v. Heard.

How do you know I'm British? Jim Michael 2 (talk) 10:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Process of elimination. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

How can you eliminate me being of every other nationality? Jim Michael 2 (talk) 10:36, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

A magician has his secrets. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

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Warren Clinic shooting victims

Jim, I have restored the names of the Warren Clinic victims. As you know, I support the exclusion of names of victims that were chosen at random. In this case, the shooting was targeted. We need to choose our battles, and not block names just for the sake of blocking. I hope you see my point. Regards, WWGB (talk) 10:56, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with including the victims' names, with the possible exception of the surgeon whom he specifically targeted. The others weren't specifically targeted - they were merely unfortunate to be there at the time. The killer said he was only targeting the surgeon, but would also shoot anyone else in his way. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 11:05, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

If you feel strongly then revert me and wait for the inevitable RfC. I just think this case will fall strongly in favour of name inclusion. As I said, pick the battles that can be won. WWGB (talk) 11:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

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Saint Lucia

Could you please add Saint Lucia I even put the source in the 2022 monkeypox outbreak's talk page. 73.126.133.15 (talk) 21:31, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Serhiivka

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When I moved that, I didn't know that there were many other places in Ukraine which have the same name. None of them have articles, so how could I know? The dab page, which you're the only editor of, was created today, after I made those 2 page moves. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 08:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

When you move a page and get reverted, you should either ask the person who reverted you (in this case, me), or start a talk page discussion. Moving it for the second time is not an option even if you do not have enough information. Ymblanter (talk) 08:43, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

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Moving July 2022 United States floods back to 2022 Missouri floods

Hello. I wanted to request you move the July 2022 United States floods back to a previous title of 2022 Missouri floods. The move to 2022 Southeast floods was done by an editor who has not provided a source linking two different floods together. The new article’s title can be mistaken in the ongoing AfD that makes it appear the 2nd flood in question, 2022 Eastern Kentucky floods is a content fork and should be merged, when in reality, the new article was moved by the nominator to say the floods are connected without provided a source. In the AfD, I asked them to provide a source, and one has not been provided yet, so a move back to the original name prior to the AfD would be appreciated. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I considered doing moving it back instead, but a) the article mentions Missouri, Kentucky & Virginia in its ibox, so it seems like its scope stretches beyond Missouri. b) It's ambiguous as to how many separate events this month's US floods are. c) The E Kentucky floods might not be notable enough for their own article; also, they cover West Virginia as well so that article needs renaming or merging into this one. These matters need to be discussed on Talk:July 2022 United States floods. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 20:50, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I fully understand, especially part b that this needs to be discussed, but with an AfD being done, it makes it slightly more challenging. Also, part a actually was done by the AfD nominator just a few minutes before that AfD nomination, as a way to “merge” the articles and get the !votes in the AfD. Basically, the whole situation was a cascade effect. I made a statement in the AfD saying that the 2022 Eastern Kentucky floods was not a content fork from the July 2022 United States floods since it almost appears to have been done to trick editors into believing it. Minutes before the AfD, that article was only dedicated to floods in Missouri 2 days ago. The nominator still has not responded to a source request, so I am fully in belief they are doing some WP:OR and just aren’t discussing anything. Either way, that you for considering it at least. I do get why you won’t, but hopefully some editor doesn’t fall for the trick and !vote delete as a content fork. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Are you saying that the two floods are completely separate & are coincidentally happening at the same time? If so, that info should be clearly stated in both articles so that readers of the articles & discussions related to them are aware of that. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 11:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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WP:DTR - The only cn tag I put on that article isn't an overtag. That info needs a ref there. It being sourced on another article is insufficient. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 14:52, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

There are also two sources with the same redundant info in the External Links section of the page. Redundant inline citations are WP:OVERKILL. Kire1975 (talk) 15:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Inline citations are usually preferred for biography articles. If they weren't, it'd be commonplace for our biographies to have external links only. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 16:16, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

None of that is on WP:IC, but it does say inline citations are required for "contentious material" and "Any statement that you believe is likely to be challenged." See WP:MINREF. Do you really believe the geographic parameters of the district are contentious or likely to be challenged? If so, the citations are right there. Per WP:NEPNAT, the citation needed tag is unneeded. Kire1975 (talk) 16:25, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

It also says that IC are needed for any statement that has been challenged, which includes those which a cn tag has been added to. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 19:58, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

If it "needs" to be on that page, then 80 inline citations "need" to be added to California State Assembly districts. Kire1975 (talk) 15:30, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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Just reminding you that you might want to tone down the reverting and re-adding of the importance inlines on Walters and Westwood, as how those can be considered violations of 3RR. Pay special attention to the part on where it doesn't matter on what content is being reverted. Thanks, InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 03:10, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

I believe that your bar of criteria for inclusion on 2022 is getting too high. It begins to feel exclusionary. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:09, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

January 2023

Hello. I noticed you recently removed content from the 2023 article without a consensus. Sir Jack Hopkins (talk) 12:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

If you mean the third inauguration of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, there's long been a consensus that inaugurations are domestic & therefore shouldn't be on main year articles. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 12:57, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

But so are elections. Thank you. Sir Jack Hopkins (talk) 15:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Most general/presidential (but not local, regional etc.) elections are included on main year articles because they're possible changes in countries' governments, which affects their relations with other countries. Inaugurations are domestic ceremonies. Main year articles include national elections but not inaugurations. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 15:41, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

You say that a lot. Where are you getting your consensus information? Kire1975 (talk) 18:00, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

It's how main year articles have been for years, for good reasons. Do you see many inaugurations in them? Count how many elections are listed in 2022, then count how many inaugurations are in the same article. Likewise 2021, 2020 etc. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 18:30, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Moving Mahas bombings to 2023 Somalia car bombings

Hi, You might want to share your opinion at Talk:Mahas bombings about renaming it to 2023 Somalia car bombings, before it is moved. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:03, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

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I've requested an arbitration regarding the Barbra Walters 2022 article dispute to the dispute resolution board https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#2022 Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 02:06, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

On second thought, I've decided to concede the dispute. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 02:45, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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